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Revolutionary marxism

Is there a need to create a section on Revolutionary Marxism or does it already exist somewhere else and I can't find it? Pallikari ap' ta Sfakia 17:41, 30 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Doesn't Marxism culminate in revolution by its very nature? Doesn't Marx postulate that revolution is the natural outgrowth of class conflict, class consciousness of the proletariat, and the eventual desire of the proletariat to capture ownership of their own means of production, an ownership the bourgeoisie will never hand over willingly? Isn't Revolutionary Marxism redundant? Kelelain (talk) 17:35, 3 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Terrible

You keep talking around the subject and never explain it. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 67.241.240.42 (talk) 22:00, 9 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Draft:Ideological aracialism

Aracialism isn't necessarily South-African or Marxist but the main article isn't analytical enough.

create the pages: ideological aracialism, ideological statelessness (chosen, [usually] not because of the circumstances), ethnocultural nonconformity

Welfare vs Welfare spending

@Frost seems to feel that linking to Welfare spending is more appropriate than linking to Welfare. On the surface I don't see it but I'd be open to hearing their reasoning. Simonm223 (talk) 17:16, 3 January 2025 (UTC)[reply]

I know Welfare is pointing to a disambiguation link but I don't think Welfare spending is the right target. Suggest Social services instead? Simonm223 (talk) 17:21, 3 January 2025 (UTC)[reply]

The link was originally pointing to the same article, which was moved in September. The disambiguation page then took over the article's previous title per this RM. My update was to reflect this change. Frost 17:27, 3 January 2025 (UTC)[reply]

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-== Lead section ==
+== Revolutionary marxism ==
-This page currently opens: '''Marxism''' is a socio-economic and political worldview or inquiry based on a [[historical materialism|materialist interpretation of historical development]], a [[dialectic]]al view of social transformation, an analysis of class-relations and conflict within society. Marxist methodology informs an [[economic]] and sociopolitical enquiry applying to the analysis and critique of the development of [[capitalism]] and the role of class struggle in systemic economic change.
-These sentences are inaccessible. While I see that this has been brought up in the archive, users who raise this concern seem to either be ignored or told that there's no problem.
-First, "a socio-economic and political worldview or inquiry" is linguistically vague - what clauses are the "or" connecting? Is our choice between a socio-economic and political worldview or an inquiry? Is it between worldview that is both socio-economic and political or an inquiry? Or is it just a choice between the political worldview or an inquiry?
-Furthermore, what does "socio-economic" mean in this context? Is this distinct from the political? Doesn't a list which includes "an analysis of class-relations and conflict within society" imply both of these descriptors anyway?
-We then learn that Marxist methodology (methodology relating to what? practice? action? what is a Marxist method? why is methodology being discussed in the second sentence when it isn't mentioned again until the last paragraph of the entire article?) informs an "economic and sociopolitical 'enquiry'". So once the reader has wrapped their head around the "socio-economic and political... inquiry," they are then instructed to comprehend an "economic and sociopolitical" approach. Is this supposed to be significant? I have absolutely no idea.
+Is there a need to create a section on Revolutionary Marxism or does it already exist somewhere else and I can't find it?  [[User talk:Pallikari|Pallikari ap' ta Sfakia]] 17:41, 30 September 2024 (UTC)
-I believe the opening paragraph should follow in the footsteps of [[Kantian ethics]] - describe Marxism as an influential economic and political theory put forth by Karl Marx in the first sentence and provide a very brief summary of major concepts (historical materialism, dialectics, class conflict, critique of capitalism). Thoughts? I don't feel that opening unclear prose and barrage of jargon is something that blue links can successfully satisfy. --[[User:Lunar Jesters|Lunar Jesters]] <sub>([[User talk:Lunar Jesters|talk]])</sub> 17:17, 14 October 2013 (UTC)
+:: Doesn't Marxism culminate in revolution by its very nature? Doesn't Marx postulate that revolution is the natural outgrowth of class conflict, class consciousness of the proletariat, and the eventual desire of the proletariat to capture ownership of their own means of production, an ownership the bourgeoisie will never hand over willingly? Isn't Revolutionary Marxism redundant? [[User:Kelelain|Kelelain]] ([[User talk:Kelelain|talk]]) 17:35, 3 December 2024 (UTC)
-:: Indeed. Like many wiki articles, the lead is full of jargon and does not satisfy the conditions set out at [[wp:lead]] : "the lead should be written in a clear, accessible style".  Too many big words.  [[User:Poujeaux|Poujeaux]] ([[User talk:Poujeaux|talk]]) 18:24, 19 February 2014 (UTC)
+== Terrible ==
-== "Libertarian socialists"?! ==
+You keep talking around the subject and never explain it.  <!-- Template:Unsigned IP --><small class="autosigned">—&nbsp;Preceding [[Wikipedia:Signatures|unsigned]] comment added by [[Special:Contributions/67.241.240.42|67.241.240.42]] ([[User talk:67.241.240.42#top|talk]]) 22:00, 9 October 2024 (UTC)</small> <!--Autosigned by SineBot-->
+== [[Draft:Ideological aracialism]] ==
-The section about "communism" contains this funny little oxymoron. I'd like to ask the editors to remove it, as it's factually wrong, and completely meaningless. Libertarianism is an ideology in and of itself, and is in total opposition with any form of communism or socialism. The word the writer must have been seraching for is "anarcho-communist", or, if we're talking about mainstream social democrats, "democratic socialists". There is no such thing as a libertarian socialist. [[Special:Contributions/64.134.152.35|64.134.152.35]] ([[User talk:64.134.152.35|talk]]) 18:52, 18 May 2014 (UTC)
+Aracialism isn't necessarily South-African or Marxist but the main article isn't analytical enough.
+create the pages: [[ideological aracialism]], [[ideological statelessness]] (chosen, [usually] not because of the circumstances), [[ethnocultural nonconformity]]
-:Are you [[Libertarian Marxism|sure]]? --[[User:Drowninginlimbo|Drowninginlimbo]] ([[User talk:Drowninginlimbo|talk]]) 19:07, 18 May 2014 (UTC)
-::[[Noam Chomsky]] would disagree with you.[https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yxbeyn2xMQE] <span style="font-family: Papyrus">[[User:RolandR|RolandR]] ([[User talk:RolandR|talk]])</span> 21:20, 18 May 2014 (UTC)
-:::I think most theorists would disagree with him, if not just for his absurd simplification of two hugely complicated concepts--[[User:Drowninginlimbo|Drowninginlimbo]] ([[User talk:Drowninginlimbo|talk]]) 21:28, 18 May 2014 (UTC)
+== [[Welfare]] vs [[Welfare spending]] ==
-== General improvements ==
+@[[User:Frost|Frost]] seems to feel that linking to [[Welfare spending]] is more appropriate than linking to [[Welfare]]. On the surface I don't see it but I'd be open to hearing their reasoning. [[User:Simonm223|Simonm223]] ([[User talk:Simonm223|talk]]) 17:16, 3 January 2025 (UTC)
-Is there anyone who would be opposed to a complete rewrite of the article? <span style="font-family:Euclid Fraktur; background:white;">→[[User:Σ|<font color="#BA0000">Σ</font>]][[User talk:Σ|<font color="#036">σ</font>]][[Special:Contributions/Σ|<font color="#036">ς</font>]].&nbsp;<small>([[User:Σ|Sigma]])</small></span> 07:00, 16 July 2014 (UTC)
-: Considering that it was selected as a high quality article on the Communism portal, you should probably make a specific case for rewriting it. [[Special:Contributions/74.128.43.180|74.128.43.180]] ([[User talk:74.128.43.180|talk]]) 20:10, 20 July 2014 (UTC)
+:I know [[Welfare]] is pointing to a disambiguation link but I don't think [[Welfare spending]] is the right target. Suggest [[Social services]] instead? [[User:Simonm223|Simonm223]] ([[User talk:Simonm223|talk]]) 17:21, 3 January 2025 (UTC)
+::The link was originally pointing to the same [[welfare spending|article]], which was [https://en.wikipedia.org/enwiki/w/index.php?title=Welfare_spending&diff=prev&oldid=1244381165 moved] in September. The disambiguation page then took over the article's previous title per this [[Talk:Welfare#Requested move 19 December 2024|RM]]. My update was to reflect this change. [[User:Frost|<span style="color: #9cbfe8; font-family: Bahnschrift">Frost</span>]] 17:27, 3 January 2025 (UTC)