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Race baiting was nominated for deletion. The discussion was closed on 09 September 2010 with a consensus to merge. Its contents were merged into Racism. The original page is now a redirect to this page. For the contribution history and old versions of the redirected article, please see its history; for its talk page, see here.

This article was nominated for merging with Prejudice plus power on 11 May 2022. The result of the discussion was to not merge.

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Essed, Philomena (1991). Understanding Everyday Racism: An Interdisciplinary Theory. Newbury Park, Calif.: SAGE Publications. ISBN 978-0-8039-4256-1.
Feagin, Joe R.; Vera, Hernán; Batur, Pinar (2001). White Racism: The Basics (2nd ed.). New York: Routledge. ISBN 978-0-4159-2461-0.
Garner, Steve (2017). Racisms: An Introduction (2nd ed.). London: SAGE Publications. ISBN 978-1-5264-1285-0.
Graves, Joseph L.; Goodman, Alan H. (2021). Racism, Not Race: Answers to Frequently Asked Questions. Columbia University Press. ISBN 978-0-231-55373-5. JSTOR 10.7312/grav20066.8.
Hill, Jane H. (2009). The Everyday Language of White Racism. Chichester, UK: John Wiley & Sons. ISBN 978-1-4443-0474-9.
Miles, Robert; Brown, Malcolm (2003). Racism (2nd ed.). London: Routledge. ISBN 978-0-4152-9677-9.
Moore, John H. (2008). Encyclopedia of Race and Racism, Volume 2. Detroit: Macmillan Reference USA/Thomson Gale. ISBN 978-0-0286-6020-2.
Solomos, John (1996). Racism and Society. Basingstoke: Macmillan. doi:10.1007/978-1-349-24735-6. ISBN 978-0-3335-8439-2.

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Correct historical definition of Racism

Racism and Racist are words that were coined in the early 1900's and described a field of study that was based on a theory that human races could be placed in a hierarchy of superior to inferior based on the different attributes of the races. A racist was/is someone who believed in the theory. Based on the theory different types of research and additional theories were purposed and many different studies all in an effort to support the theory. For example, one theory thatcwas suggested evolved around the human skull. It was purposed that skull size and other factors were connected to race and determined the intelligence of the race. Such thing has the bumps and ridges on one skull. A whole field of study sprang up based on this theory. None of the "scientific" research however were ever able to actual prove the claims of the theory, but that didn't stop those supporters of the theory from claiming that their scientific experiments did in fact prove the theory.

The word Racism DID NOT ever mean, discrimination (discrimination means discrimination there is no need for another word), or racial hatred (there is a word that already means that and it is Bigotry). The word Racism has been weaponized by parts of society for a very specific reason. And that reason is to shut down those who disagree with the person/people who misuse it the for political purposes.

Since Racism is at is core a belief system it is impossible to know it someone in facts holds those beliefs, unless they tell you. But in todays world simply saying something like "all blacks can dance" would be called racist, especially by white middle and upper middle class young people. When in fact their is nothing inherently racist in that phrase. Not to mention it isn't true, but it does feed into a stereotype. But stereotypes are also not inherently racist, in fact most aren't even close to being racist. Lets look at the phrase again. Being able to dance is a skill that requires a number of different skills and talents. Hearing the beat, keeping the beat, being able to move your body in time with the beat and rhythm of the music to name just a few. Those who natural have such a talent or who have developed this talent are looked at as inferior humans nor superior humans. People may marvel at the skill and talent but no one places them on a scale suggesting they are superior or inferior beings. And since the word was created to describe races as being superior to inferior in the context of the total racial group, calling this phrase racist is nonsensical.

Another aspect of the words racism and racist that have grown into the misuse ofvthe words has to do with the element of emotion. Which is also nonsensical. If a person is in fact a racist it doesn't mean that such a person hates the people of the race that is thought to be inferior. As I have already stated hating people based on their race already has a word to describe them. A person could hate people of another race without considering them inferior. People can also think a certain race is inferior without hating them. In fact, today the most truly racist things being said are by those who through their words and positions on issues are actually making the claim that a policy, or law being considered is racist because of their own view that the affected racial group is simply unable to comply with the proposed law. Take voter ID as an example. ALL the people who shout and protest against any and all boter ID laws are of two types. They are white or they are people in politics or academic racial minorities who are either in positions of power or are trying to advance into su h positions (note- all of these people have the require ID already, they needed it for the job they have, to get into college, drive a car, open a bank account,cash a check from any source etc etc etc.) Yet what is left unsaid in their position and cries of Racism, is that they either belief that all the other peoples of racial minority nor only lack any form of ID but that they are simply so limited mentally to be able to figure out how it get the required ID. It is interesting to listen to white college students claim that voter ID laws are racist and listen to there reasoning. What they always totally fail to under stand is that there argument agaist requiring voter ID is in fact an argument from rasism. 152.86.89.51 (talk) 03:17, 22 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]

See WP:NOTAFORUM. HiLo48 (talk) 03:43, 22 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Do you agree that this would be a better article if the second sentence was

“Modern science regards race as a social construct, an identity which is assigned based on rules made by society. While partly based on physical similarities within groups, race does not have an inherent physical or biological meaning. The concept of race is foundational to racism, the belief that humans can be divided based on the superiority of one race over another.”

This is from the article on race. Kanchan M Mahon (talk) 15:36, 23 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]

You are simply stating your beliefs. What we need is unbiased reporting of data. This is an encyclopedia after all! It’s called Wikipedia and its only purpose is to educate and inform. There is no need to discuss how to decide if someone is a good or poor dancer! It doesn’t matter if you have a racist presumption whether or not its purpose is to put people down or to be complimentary. Saying that someone has such and such trait because of race is simply wrong. Race is a social construct! Period. Therefore you yourself are being racist and are mixing up the concept of political correctness with being unbiased. Being unbiased means not making assumptions based on facts that are irrelevant. The color of my skin has nothing to do with how good I am anything other than getting a suntan! Kanchan M Mahon (talk) 23:40, 11 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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I would like to clarify this issue with the inclusion of the following statement (from the article titled “Race”)

After the first sentence I propose that we add the following statements:

“ Modern science regards race as a social construct, an identity which is assigned based on rules made by society.[3][4][5] While partly based on physical similarities within groups, race does not have an inherent physical or biological meaning.[1][6][7] The concept of race is foundational to racism, the belief that humans can be divided based on the superiority of one race over another. Kanchan M Mahon (talk) 15:39, 23 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Not done: please provide reliable sources that support the change you want to be made. —TechnoSquirrel69 (sigh) 17:22, 24 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]

The only way I suggested to change the article was to use the wording and the reliable sources that go with them FROM ANOTHER WIKIPEDIA PAGE. So that you can see the sources from where I suggested it:

Modern science regards race as a social construct, an identity which is assigned based on rules made by society.[3][4][5] While partly based on physical similarities within groups, race does not have an inherent physical or biological meaning.[1][6][7] The concept of race is foundational to racism, the belief that humans can be divided based on the superiority of one race over another.

Why not add that? It has 7 reliable sources listed! It’s from another Wikipedia article!

Please do not ignore this request again because it is very important and needs clarification and correction. It is a disgrace to the scientific community to be putting forward such biased content. This is completely consistent with the way these topics are covered in institutions of higher learning! Anthropology says that race is not a scientific fact but a social construct. As a physician, a medical doctor, I am appalled by the way this is being presented. I graduated from college many decades ago before the internet, but if I encountered this article in an encyclopedia in the 1980’s, my anthropology professors and sociology professors would be alarmed by the content. It is very biased. It is exactly the kind of information that people who criticize Wikipedia are looking for because it confirms that when there is no oversight on information, there is also no accountability for the actual content. Kanchan M Mahon (talk) 23:53, 11 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Yeah dude, the sources are there. If they're good enough for another page on Wikipedia, than they're good enough for here. Did you...read what he wrote? At all? And that you haven't responded in a month really suggests bias to me. Do better. 2600:100F:A110:693:2510:D32B:8019:414D (talk) 06:41, 7 January 2025 (UTC)[reply]

Yes! Thank you, the sources are there! And I wrote this request in November so please consider including the information that I provided and the associated links.

I am not asking for much! Please show that you are trying to be fair and honest. Kanchan M Mahon (talk) 21:20, 8 January 2025 (UTC)[reply]

Correction it has 6 reliable sources: 3,4,5 and 1, 6 and 7. Also I can’t figure out how to change the request for another try to change it. I saw that the edit request was denied. Can anyone help me figure out how to reactivate it? Thanks in advance for your assistance and support! Kanchan M Mahon (talk) 23:59, 11 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Racialism should not be included in here.

Racialism was not necessarily racist, it was a popular though simplistic theory superseded by genetics. The racialists around Nietzsche's time, at least Nietzsche was, were largely arguing there were differences between certain populations that made them more suitable for certain tasks. For instance, the British made great logicians, while Germans were more suitable for Continental Philosophy.

Nietzsche definitely had quotes about certain races being more built for physical feats, while others were fit for intellectual pursuits. He was kind of right since different ethnic groups have different tendencies in terms of IQ and physical prowess. A portion is definitely cultural, but genetics has a huge influence over IQ and athletics. He also wasn't arguing these features made them superior, but different. He was extremely opposed to racism and antisemitism, and wrote about it in his many books. He did define certain people as being superior for standing out from the crowd, which both includes artistic geniuses and great athletes.

Basically, anyone who was unique was considered an Overman by him. Taking the relativistic nature of his work both Napoleon and Christ were great men, but he hated their followers for aping them. His racialism was more based on Lamarck's theories of evolution.

If I recall correctly about 15 to 20 years ago the Racialism article went into the nuances of the subject, and before being merged into here it was vastly simplified. Zarathustraaa (talk) 09:14, 26 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Do you have any arguments based in sources to contend with those cited in the article? Soapboxing in itself is not productive. Remsense ‥ 论 09:30, 26 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]

"Racism" as a modern subject?

The article currently says "Racism is frequently described as a relatively modern concept, evolving during the European age of imperialism." Surely humans have discriminated on physical differences for millennia. How should this sentence be understood? Can/should it be clarified? Pete unseth (talk) 01:22, 7 January 2025 (UTC)[reply]

The modern concept of race is a recent invention, like sexual orientation. Discrimination existed (eg Pliny's descriptions of Ethiopians) but not based on these modern notions. EvergreenFir (talk) 02:00, 7 January 2025 (UTC)[reply]

Perhaps the page should be updated to explain that. Problem would be finding a reliable source that'd give specifics, I think. 2600:100F:A110:693:2510:D32B:8019:414D (talk) 06:43, 7 January 2025 (UTC)[reply]