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Pansexuality

I feel as if Pansexuality should be listed as a sexual orientation rather than under related terms -- many pansexuals view their identity as its' own distinct orientation and numerous LGBT groups list it as such. NekomancerJaidyn (talk) 22:24, 19 June 2021 (UTC)[reply]

It's about the difference between sexual identity and sexual orientation. Non-academic sources sometimes conflate the terms, as people may in common speech, but they are not the same. As the pansexuality article makes clear, many sources consider it to be under the bisexual umbrella. Crossroads ^-talk- 00:32, 20 June 2021 (UTC)[reply]

Fictosexuality and Nijikon

I have reverted edits that add Fictosexuality and Nijikon to the template.(diff) This is clearly overgranular, and Nijikon is not widely accepted as a sexual orientation, but I would also like to question whether Fictosexuality is even a genuine subject at all. If anybody wants to take a look and see what they think, please do. --DanielRigal (talk) 13:18, 4 June 2023 (UTC)[reply]

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In the Research section, can someone add Transgender sexuality? Or another appropriate section. It would be useful to be together with Human male sexuality and Human female sexuality but I guess they would be alphabetically separated, though not that bad. Soares2000 (talk) 20:17, 26 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Done Although I have concerns someone may object to this change. ABG (Talk/Report any mistakes here) 02:29, 30 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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-== Someone (another editor) should add Pansexual/Omnisexual to the Sexual orientation template and also. . . ==
-Given the meaning of 'Pansexual', probably add, and find citation for, orientation not only to 'persons' as the article now states in its paragraph 1 but 'persons or things' as personhood is likely not a distinction made by some or most pansexuals.
+== Pansexuality ==
-After all, 'Asexual' is already included in this template.
+I feel as if [[Pansexuality]] should be listed as a sexual orientation rather than under related terms -- many pansexuals view their identity as its' own distinct orientation and numerous LGBT groups list it as such. [[User:Nekomancerjade|<span style="font-family: Georgia; color: maroon">Nekomancer</span><span style="font-family: Georgia; color: darkgreen">'''Jaidyn'''</span>]] ([[User talk:Nekomancerjade|<span style="color: mauve">talk</span>]]) 22:24, 19 June 2021 (UTC)
-You might also have to distinguish between generally Pansexual, meaning some people and/or things of any kind MIGHT attract a Pansexual, just as only some women are attractive to homosexual/lesbian women, not all, and Omnisexual which is really just the same word using Latin instead of Greek but is more likely to imply that EVERYTHING attracts an Omnisexual, probably still in varying degree, but possibly more than to a Pansexual in the series homo-, hetero-, a-.
+:It's about the difference between [[sexual identity]] and sexual orientation. Non-academic sources sometimes conflate the terms, as people may in common speech, but they are not the same. As the [[pansexuality]] article makes clear, many sources consider it to be under the bisexual umbrella. <span style="font-family:Palatino">[[User:Crossroads|'''Crossroads''']]</span> <sup>[[User talk:Crossroads|-talk-]]</sup> 00:32, 20 June 2021 (UTC)
+== Fictosexuality and Nijikon ==
-So there's a possibility that the Pansexuality article might have a subsection making this distinction, or that Omnisexual needs to be broken out as a separate entry, and if so, would qualify for separate inclusion in this template, too.
+I have reverted edits that add [[Fictosexuality]] and [[Nijikon]] to the template.([https://en.wikipedia.org/enwiki/w/index.php?title=Template%3ASexual_orientation&diff=1158498602&oldid=1149043752 diff]) This is clearly overgranular, and Nijikon is not widely accepted as a sexual orientation, but I would also like to question whether Fictosexuality is even a genuine subject at all. If anybody wants to take a look and see what they think, please do. --[[User:DanielRigal|DanielRigal]] ([[User talk:DanielRigal|talk]]) 13:18, 4 June 2023 (UTC)
-I defer in both these recommended edits to those who are already editing this template and topic, and leave you colleagues to consider and implement these suggestions.
+== Semi-protected edit request on 26 May 2024 ==
-[[User:Pandelver|Pandelver]] ([[User talk:Pandelver|talk]]) 12:34, 18 August 2014 (UTC)
+{{edit semi-protected|Template:Sexual orientation|answered=yes}}
-:[[Pansexuality]] is already listed, under "Non-binary categories". It looks like it was added on 30 September 2012 [https://en.wikipedia.org/enwiki/w/index.php?title=Template:Sexual_orientation&direction=next&oldid=515336208 here]. [[User:Trankuility|Trankuility]] ([[User talk:Trankuility|talk]]) 12:51, 18 August 2014 (UTC)
+In the Research section, can someone add [[Transgender sexuality]]? Or another appropriate section. It would be useful to be together with [[Human male sexuality]] and [[Human female sexuality]] but I guess they would be alphabetically separated, though not that bad. [[User:Soares2000|Soares2000]] ([[User talk:Soares2000|talk]]) 20:17, 26 May 2024 (UTC)
+:{{done}}<!-- Template:ESp --> Although I have concerns someone may object to this change. [[User:AlphaBetaGamma|ABG]] <small> ([[User talk:AlphaBetaGamma|Talk/Report any mistakes here]]) </small> 02:29, 30 May 2024 (UTC)
-:Yes, pansexuality is already on the template. The reason that it is not listed as a sexual orientation is because the vast majority of scholars do not see it as a sexual orientation, but rather, if they mention it all, as a [[sexual identity]] that indicates bisexuality. No authoritative sources on sexual orientation label pansexuality as a sexual orientation, and the vast majority of those sources don't even mention it. See the [[Template talk:Sexual orientation/Archive 7#Shouldn't the other two sexualities be added back?]] and [[Template talk:Sexual orientation/Archive 8]], where this matter has been discussed extensively and that [[WP:Consensus]] is to not list it on the template as a sexual orientation. At this point in time, it is [[WP:Fringe]] to call pansexuality a sexual orientation. Also see the debate about pansexuality vs. bisexuality in the Pansexuality article, which clarifies things even further; some people see pansexuality as distinct from bisexuality; some people do not see it as distinct from bisexuality. This is also clear by the debates at [[Talk:Pansexuality]]; a [[WP:Permalink]] is [https://en.wikipedia.org/enwiki/w/index.php?title=Talk:Pansexuality&oldid=617637347 here.] This bisexuality vs. pansexuality argument is one of the biggest consistent issues I have dealt with at Wikipedia. As for why [[asexuality]] is listed as a sexual orientation, despite there being debate among scholars as to whether or not it is a sexual orientation, see [[Template talk:Sexual orientation/Archive 7#Zoosexuality]] and [[Template talk:Sexual orientation/Archive 7#Is there evidence that Asexuality is a sexual orientation?]] (my view of a [[WP:Primary source]] was somewhat faulty back then, though). WP:Consensus has been to leave it listed as a sexual orientation. Unlike with pansexuality, scholars are in a significant debate about whether or not to call asexuality a sexual orientation. With pansexuality, again, they usually don't mention it, or they define it as an aspect of bisexuality...either by calling it bisexuality or by directly calling it an aspect of bisexuality. [[User:Flyer22|Flyer22]] ([[User talk:Flyer22|talk]]) 05:47, 19 August 2014 (UTC)