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==Wiki Education assignment: Introduction to Policy Analysis==
== Separation of Church and State in "Max Weber - Economy and Society Volume 2" talking about Calvinism. ==
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The Translated English version by Guenther Roth and Claus Wittich of ''Max Weber's Economy and Society Volume 2,'' states "the separation of church and state".
http://books.google.com/books?isbn=0804747172
http://www.answers.com/topic/economy-and-society-bureaucracy

[[user:renegadeviking|renegadeviking]] 1/11/2014 10:55AM
==Charles II==
The article contains this sentence. ''Through his work Rhode Island’s charter was confirmed by King Charles II of England, which explicitly stated that no one was to be “molested, punished, disquieted, or called in question, for any differences in opinion, in matters of religion.”'' Given that Parliament and Cromwell drove Charles II to France after less than three years on the throne largely (entirely?) on account of his tolerance of non-Protestant denominations (indeed the whole House of Stewart/Stuart on that throne was similarly given short shrift for just this reason), this sentence's implication that Rhode Island's charter had England's blessing seems disingenuous and should be set straight somehow. [[User:Vaughan Pratt|Vaughan Pratt]] ([[User talk:Vaughan Pratt|talk]]) 14:38, 7 May 2014 (UTC)

== Japan ==

The statement about Japan and the American occupation is easily one of the most asinine misrepresentations I have ever read regarding the relationship of church and state in Japan.[[Special:Contributions/74.134.145.218|74.134.145.218]] ([[User talk:74.134.145.218|talk]]) 03:56, 11 July 2014 (UTC)

== Use term Separation of religion and state ==

The term [[Separation of religion and state]] links to this article, but isn't used once. The phrase is used in academic publishing and journalism when referring to religious freedom in countries that don't have a history of Christian majorities.


== The concept "originated" ==
The page includes discussion of political secularism of India, Japan and Turkey, which do not have majority Christian populations. Terms like "separation of mosque and state" are clunky for each religion in multicultural societies.


with Baptists in Early America? It clearly had ancient and Medieval origins, as briefly discussed in this article. This article also seems to present a caricature of Medieval Europe as a theocracy, an erroneous view that Medievalists have worked hard to correct. Here's some research discussing the European origins of this idea which was inspired primarily by the Bible [https://www.researchgate.net/publication/228228707_Facts_and_Fictions_About_the_History_of_Separation_of_Church_and_State]. [[User:Jonathan f1|Jonathan f1]] ([[User talk:Jonathan f1|talk]]) 01:27, 29 March 2024 (UTC)
I've put some figures for web searches as of this writing:


== Section about Islam ==
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! Search
! Separation of Church and state
! Separation of Religion and state
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| Google Scholar
| [http://scholar.google.com.au/scholar?q=%22separation+of+church+and+state%22&btnG=&hl=en&as_sdt=0%2C5 50,300]
| [http://scholar.google.com.au/scholar?hl=en&q=%22separation+of+religion+and+state%22&btnG=&as_sdt=1%2C5&as_sdtp= 3,090]
|-
| Microsoft Academic
| [http://academic.research.microsoft.com/Search?query=%22separation%20of%20church%20and%20state%22 134]
| [http://academic.research.microsoft.com/Search?query=%22separation%20of%20religion%20and%20state%22 8]
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| Google Web
| [https://www.google.com.au/search?q=%22separation+of+church+and+state%22 8,740,000]
| [https://www.google.com.au/search?q=%22separation+of+religion+and+state%22&hl=en&gws_rd=ssl 3,340,000]
|-
| Bing
| [http://www.bing.com/search?q=%22separation+of+church+and+state%22 3,900,000]
| [http://www.bing.com/search?q=%22separation+of+religion+and+state%22 633,000]
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The section that deals with the separation of church and state in Islam, states that the separation of church and state happened very early in islam. This is then substantiated by a reference to how scholars were allowed and able to operate independently from the state and were critical of its leaders, and a brief mention of the Constition of Medina. I do not think, however, that these two points do in fact substantiate the claim that there is and was a separation of church and state in islam. Independence of scholars does not automatically mean that the state within which they operate(d), is secular. As for the Constitution of Medina: the current text does not make it clear in what way this document is an "early form of secular governance" nor does it elaborate upon the discussions it refers to. The mere existence of the document and the fact that it, as stated, granted equal rights to different religious groups, does not automatically imply a separation between church and state. At the same time, it's clear from the information on the relevant page here on this Wiki, that the first Caliphate, as founded by Muhammad and continued by his successors, was governed with islam as basis. In other historic states ruled by islamic rulers or governments, islam similarly is intertwined with the affairs of the state. I would therefore suggest a review of this paragraph to clarify whether or not there is a separation of church and state from the perspective of islam and its application in practice. [[Special:Contributions/144.43.250.53|144.43.250.53]] ([[User talk:144.43.250.53|talk]]) 21:15, 28 June 2024 (UTC)
I propose that the term "separation of religion and state" be used throughout the article, not in the lede, for all sections unrelated to Christianity, eg pre-axial age religions should not be referred to as "Church" [[User:Aronzak|-- Aronzak]] ([[User talk:Aronzak|talk]]) 03:52, 9 December 2014 (UTC)
:I don't think this is a good idea. "separation of church and state" is widely used English idiom. It's clearly a [[meytonomy]] in which Church is intended to stand in for any kind of organized religion (not just Christianity) and State is intended to represent any kind of government (not just an American style state). The alternative phrase you are proposing is not so widely used and unlikely to be something that people search for. Also your proposal goes against our [[WP:COMMONNAME|article title]] policy - I'd suggest you have a read at that. --[[User:Salimfadhley|Salimfadhley]] ([[User talk:Salimfadhley|talk]]) 13:35, 10 December 2014 (UTC)

Latest revision as of 14:42, 10 July 2024

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Wiki Education assignment: Introduction to Policy Analysis

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This article was the subject of a Wiki Education Foundation-supported course assignment, between 28 March 2022 and 30 May 2022. Further details are available on the course page. Student editor(s): Rwold02 (article contribs).

The concept "originated"

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with Baptists in Early America? It clearly had ancient and Medieval origins, as briefly discussed in this article. This article also seems to present a caricature of Medieval Europe as a theocracy, an erroneous view that Medievalists have worked hard to correct. Here's some research discussing the European origins of this idea which was inspired primarily by the Bible [1]. Jonathan f1 (talk) 01:27, 29 March 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Section about Islam

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The section that deals with the separation of church and state in Islam, states that the separation of church and state happened very early in islam. This is then substantiated by a reference to how scholars were allowed and able to operate independently from the state and were critical of its leaders, and a brief mention of the Constition of Medina. I do not think, however, that these two points do in fact substantiate the claim that there is and was a separation of church and state in islam. Independence of scholars does not automatically mean that the state within which they operate(d), is secular. As for the Constitution of Medina: the current text does not make it clear in what way this document is an "early form of secular governance" nor does it elaborate upon the discussions it refers to. The mere existence of the document and the fact that it, as stated, granted equal rights to different religious groups, does not automatically imply a separation between church and state. At the same time, it's clear from the information on the relevant page here on this Wiki, that the first Caliphate, as founded by Muhammad and continued by his successors, was governed with islam as basis. In other historic states ruled by islamic rulers or governments, islam similarly is intertwined with the affairs of the state. I would therefore suggest a review of this paragraph to clarify whether or not there is a separation of church and state from the perspective of islam and its application in practice. 144.43.250.53 (talk) 21:15, 28 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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