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== Image == |
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:Gohan is a character in [[Dragon Ball Z]]. --[[User:Brion VIBBER|Brion]] |
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Is it possible to add a picture of adult gohan on this page?? |
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For example :[https:/upwiki/wikipedia/commons/thumb/4/46/Gohan_in_dragon_Ball_Super_Superhero.jpg/343px-Gohan_in_dragon_Ball_Super_Superhero.jpg?20220901083521 this] [[User:Lord kai07|Lord kai07]] ([[User talk:Lord kai07|talk]]) 08:56, 1 September 2022 (UTC) |
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:Done. I found a better one, a scan of a manga panel of Gohan, directly drawn by Toriyama. [[User:Haleth|Haleth]] ([[User talk:Haleth|talk]]) 12:37, 13 September 2022 (UTC) |
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==Mystic Gohan== |
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::@[[User:Lord kai07|Lord kai07]], do you realize what you have done? Right now, this page is displaying the exact same picture in '''two sections''' with more or less the ''exact same captions''. You '''specifically''' asked for a picture of adult gohan, on this very page. I have uploaded one per your request, and I moved the picture depicting Gohan as a child from the infobox to the section for [[Gohan#In_Dragon_Ball_Z]]. That is because all four character designs featured in that picture are specific to one portion of Dragon Ball Z, none of which depicts him as a grown teenager or adult. In 2022, the character is likely better known as an adult character, much like Goku, following the numerous newer manga, movie and television adaptations, all of which depicts the character well past his childhood years, again like Goku. If you insist on a picture that depicts Gohan as both an adult and youth, exactly as drawn by Toriyama or Toyotaro, the onus is on ''you'' to provide the image. Stop your disruptive edit warring by repeatedly reverting to a version that makes absolutely no sense in my opinion. |
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In my translation, Rou Dai Kaioshin states that it takes five hours to perform the power-up ritual, and that the effects last twenty hours. Is this just in mine, or is that what he actually says? [[User:Beowulph|Beowulph]] 05:27, 8 January 2006 (UTC) |
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::Pinging @[[User:Tintor2|Tintor2]] and @[[User:Lord Opeth|Lord Opeth]] to invite their views on the matter. [[User:Haleth|Haleth]] ([[User talk:Haleth|talk]]) 16:50, 14 September 2022 (UTC) |
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:I can't see the image. Still, nonfrees tend to be a bit strict so if possible it would be better to add one image that is discussed in the article. Kinda like how [[Yuta Okkotsu]] has two images as a result of his design being revised for the main series due to his similarities with Fushiguro. Infobox images normally focus on the character's intro while in Goku among others protagonists one where they show their growing personas. I had a similar problem with [[Eren Yeager]] since some people wanted his adult design but in the final arc of Attack on Titan, he changes his look like twice and the author never commented on such styles. If critics comment on Gohan's older persona then it would be suitable for the appearances section.[[User:Tintor2|Tintor2]] ([[User talk:Tintor2|talk]]) 18:33, 14 September 2022 (UTC) |
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:Your translation is wrong sorry, it takes 25 hours, 5 hours for the ceremonie and 20 hours to make Gohan Unlock His Full Potential. --[[User:Son Gokou|Son Gokou]] 01:55, 22 January 2006 (UTC) |
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I asked for an adult Gohan image. The one provided isn't a good depiction of adult Gohan.The quality of the drawing is also very poor.There are definitely far better images out there, which properly depict adult Gohan.Thanks for helping me out. But I believe a better Gohan image can definitely be found.[[User:Lord kai07|Lord kai07]] ([[User talk:Lord kai07|talk]]) 19:11, 14 September 2022 (UTC) |
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I am just wondering, scince it is not known whether or not Mystic is a power up or transformation, should we state it as that? I would like to know other peoples opinions on this topic. --[[User:Nsmith4658]] |
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{{ping|Lord kai07}} See [https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Non-free_content#Images theguideline]. Nonfree images have to have a proper purpose. Gohan also had several looks as post Cell arc as a result of his outfits from Piccolo or Goku, or retired fighter.[[User:Tintor2|Tintor2]] ([[User talk:Tintor2|talk]]) 19:16, 14 September 2022 (UTC) |
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== Full/Permanent == |
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Also don't revert Haleth's edits. He just uploaded a pic based on a request and was replaced out of nowhere. Rather than reverting Haleth's edit, talk here [[User:Tintor2|Tintor2]] ([[User talk:Tintor2|talk]]) 19:29, 14 September 2022 (UTC) |
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Guys whatever, stop the edit-war. Most commonly used fan-name is Full Power. Use that one. [[User:Kusonaga|Kusonaga]] 08:10, 10 January 2006 (UTC) |
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I apologize, I actually didn't remember my request, but can't we use something like [[File:Adult Gohan in DBS Superhero.jpg|this]][[User:Lord kai07|Lord kai07]] ([[User talk:Lord kai07|talk]]) 02:21, 15 September 2022 (UTC) |
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that's a long time. |
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:I had to remove the image because there were some issues with the upload. When it comes to images of fictional characters, art generated by the original author is preferred unless it's an anime solo like [[Shinya Kogami]] who first starred in a tv series rather than a manga.[[User:Tintor2|Tintor2]] ([[User talk:Tintor2|talk]]) 21:55, 14 September 2022 (UTC) |
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== Can you guys read? == |
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::Right @[[User:Lord kai07|Lord kai07]]. So you've just admitted the real reason why you are continually reverting my edits. You don't like it and you personally prefer another image. That is ''not'' a good enough reason to be disruptive and edit war. You also, I assume, uploaded a non-free copyrighted image that you personally prefer into wiki commons, which is the just deleted file [[File:Adult Gohan in DBS Superhero.jpg]] and the one you linked into the initial image. That shows that you are still inexperienced and ignorant of the requirements and rules surrounding the use of copyrighted images for Wikimedia projects. Anyway, I have restored the original image I uploaded since @[[User:Tintor2|Tintor2]] was unable to find the it because of your edit warring. ''Don't'' revert me again until we have reached a consensus and determine whether your objection to the use of said image had any merit to it. [[User:Haleth|Haleth]] ([[User talk:Haleth|talk]]) 22:25, 14 September 2022 (UTC) |
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:Image seems fitting especially since Toriyama drew it.[[User:Tintor2|Tintor2]] ([[User talk:Tintor2|talk]]) 22:58, 14 September 2022 (UTC) |
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Seriously, it's so stupid to contuinally change the honor and dignify as well as the Full Power/Permanent Distinction. Do I have to get an admin? [[User:Kusonaga|Kusonaga]] 09:16, 14 January 2006 (UTC) |
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I didn't upload the image myself. I do know the rules of image copyright, hence I prefer not to upload and ask others. If I knew how to do it properly, then I wouldn't have asked for help. I did forget my request, so i assumed, the image currently in use, being a fan art as it was taken from Twitter. My humble apologies for that. |
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That might be best. This particular user who keeps changing things back to his version doesn't appear to be paying attention to any comments made in the edit summary about not changing things that shouldn't be changed. He will most likely continue this foolishness until somebody stops him. Please contact an Admin and have [[User:68.122.219.139|68.122.219.139]] told to stop the adding of false information. If he continues his behavior even after that, he may need to be banned. |
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Then this image has definite flaws |
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It doesn't really potray the current Adult Gohan properly. Gohan in this image is still a young teen. He changes a lot later on. |
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Then I particularly don't believe it was an edit war. |
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I did forget some rules, but I'm not completely disagreeing with haleth. [[User:Lord kai07|Lord kai07]] ([[User talk:Lord kai07|talk]]) 02:20, 15 September 2022 (UTC) |
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== Unnecessary Info about the Mystic power up == |
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There is some unnecessary information about the Mystic power up. There are no facts about the power up during the GT saga, because he doesn't fight or has not fought in a long time. The same happened when he became an adult; he lost the motivation to transform into a SSJ2, so he weakened a bit when he did go SSJ2. Gohan was only half-saiyan, so he has half the fighting instinct of a saiyan. The other half was in the books. |
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Only the facts from the show or certain movies should be discussed, because fan information can get rediculous (SSJ5 for instance, even though Bulma mentioned this in the GT Saga)puk 00:11, 20 January 2006 (UTC) |
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I added the left-out information in the mystic section (3rd paragraph). We forgot that this mystic powerup was still asleep like all of his powerups and when fully awake, he's a force to be reckoned with. |
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puk 00:32, 20 January 2006 (UTC) |
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In the case of Gohan turning SSJ2 in GT, wouldn't he be even more powerful since he was supposed to keep his "full" power for the rest of his life so wouldn't transforming into SSJ or SSJ2 make him even more powerful. <small>—The preceding [[Wikipedia:Sign your posts on talk pages|unsigned]] comment was added by [[User:69.159.81.118|69.159.81.118]] ([[User talk:69.159.81.118|talk]] • [[Special:Contributions/69.159.81.118|contribs]]) {{{2|}}}.</small> |
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== Lineage == |
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Just wondering if it's worth mentioning that Gohan is part demon. Considering that Chi-Chi's father is a demon. That bit is omitted from his name in the english dub, but his original name of Gyuu Mao means "Ox Demon King" (I've seen some Westernize that to "Demon King of the Oxen"). [[User:Onikage725|Onikage725]] 18:01, 24 February 2006 (UTC) |
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Gohan is not part demon. Gyuu Mao is not a demon either. He is just a large human. The names of characters may have certain meanings, but that doesn't make them anything other than what they are. After all, Piccolo Daimao was repeatedly called a demon, even taking the title "Demon King Piccolo". He wasn't a demon at all, though. He was a namek. Just pointing out that not everything that is said should be taken literally. |
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[[User:Daishokaioshin|Daishokaioshin]] 09:52, 25 February 2006 (UTC) |
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Actually Piccolo is a poor excuse. Ma Junior was born naturally as a Namek (hence why he had the capicity for good), but Daimao is literally a being of pure evil. Kami shed his negative energy and it took form. Why else do you think every child of his aside from his "reincarnation" was a demon? Spawning those abominations isn't a normal Namekian ability. As for Gyuu Mao, I see your point. It certainly isn't elaborated on in the series. However it seems to me that given the tales of a pissed off Gyuu Mao eating passers by (hardly normal behavior for a normal person), and his daughter's natural aptitude for battle (which isn't fully explored only because she settles down as soon as she marries Goku), it seems that there's more beneath the surface than just human blood. Also, if you compare Gohan to Trunks (I'm thinking more Mirai, as neither Chibi Trunks or Goten faces the same dire circumstances without being fused), Gohan was capable of intense explosions of rage that granted him an nforseen amount of temporary power. Trunks never really showed that, only that he was somewhat stronger than his father. *whew long winded, gomen :p [[User:Onikage725|Onikage725]] 21:57, 28 February 2006 (UTC) |
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== Age == |
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Alright, listen up Gohan was nine when the androids appeared, he spent a year in the time chamber, and had his eleventh birthday during the ten days preparing for the Cell Games, therefore at the time of the fight with Buu, would make him 18 years old. [[User:Jman5|Jman5]] 22:05, 3 April 2006 (UTC) |
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Actually, Gohan started the series at 6. He spent a year training with Piccolo, making him 7. There was at least another year after they got back from Namek, since the Namekian Dragon Balls recharge every half of an Earth year, and they were used three times, I think (the first time they were already charged because of Elder Muuri becoming the new caretaker of the Dragon Balls, so they didn't have to wait). That would make Gohan 8. There were three years of training for the Androids, making him 11, followed by another year in the Room of Spirit and Time. Gohan was then 12. 7 more years would make him 19. Since 19 is a bit old to just be starting high school (at least in America), most people argue and say Gohan was younger, just to fit their preconceptions of an acceptable age for him. And in the original Japanese version, Gohan was 4, not 6, so he would have been ten after his training in the Room of Spirit and Time, and 17 when he went to Satan City High School, which is a much closer age to when people actually attend high school. |
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Also, your information doesn't add up. If Gohan was 9 when the Androids showed up, then he would be ten after his training in the Room of Spirit and Time, just like in the original Japanese version. Either way, Gohan would not be 18. |
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[[User:Daishokaioshin|Daishokaioshin]] 21:25, 2 April 2006 (UTC) |
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It does add up, buddy! That's why I stated "he had his eleventh birthday during the ten days preparing for the Cell Games." You need to read more closely next time. [[User:Jman5|Jman5]] 22:05, 3 April 2006 (UTC) |
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It actually does add up dub-wise. They claimed he was 5 in the beginning (6 by the arrival of the Saiyans). [[User:Onikage725|Onikage725]] 01:39, 24 April 2006 (UTC) |
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== Gohan learning Kamehameha? == |
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The wording of the article implies that Gohan didn't learn the Kamehameha until training with Goku to fight Cell. However, I seem to recall Gohan doing Kamahamehas earlier than that. There's only one I can recall with almost certainty, and it was in either [[Dead Zone]] or [[The World's Strongest]], literally years before Cell. In one of those two movies, three characters (I think Goku, Gohan, and Krillin) did a simultanious Kamehameha against an enemy. And I think there were others in the early years of the show, but I can't recall where exactly. [[User:4.227.105.224|4.227.105.224]] 20:33, 2 April 2006 (UTC) |
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It was Goku, ROSHI, and Krillin who used Kamehamehas in World's Strongest, Gohan has NO combat experience in Dead Zone, and even if Gohan HAD used a Kamehameha in World's Strongest (which he didn't) it wouldn't have mattered, because that movie is non-canon. Gohan didn't use the Kamehameha until after his training with Goku in preparation for the Androids at LEAST. I don't recall him using it directly after that, but he may have learned it partially or completely, and just not had the chance to use it (improbable, but possible). We only know for SURE that he learned how to use it after his training in the Room of Spirit and Time. |
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[[User:Daishokaioshin|Daishokaioshin]] 21:16, 2 April 2006 (UTC) |
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The only training Gohan had in Worlds Strongest was with Piccolo, and his only major ki attack was the Masenko. And don't forget that movie is utterly non-canon, as evident by the fact the Goku can use Genki Dama, Piccolo's batting for the good guys, yet Goku isn't an SSJ and their opponents are actually at a level that Roshi is an effective combatant. And Dai, you're right- Gohan doesn't use it until the room. He didn't even really fight after the Garlic Jr Saga (where he was all about the Masenko) until then. He trained, but when it came to the early android stuff he went from spectator to transportation (carrying Yajirobe, Bulma, and lil' Trunks out of harm's way). [[User:Onikage725|Onikage725]] 01:30, 24 April 2006 (UTC) |
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== Gohan's full power question == |
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I have a question for anyone in the know. I have up to Super Buu's emergence in the manga, and haven't read beyond that. Does Gohan come off as stronger compared to other heroes in the manga? Because I know Gohan is supposed to be (according to Toriyama) the strongest non-fused character by the end, but having seen the anime I know there's plenty of stuff that smells like filler (but I can't say for sure) that has Goku and Vegeta rocking out more than they have any right to. [[User:Onikage725|Onikage725]] 02:11, 29 May 2006 (UTC) |
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:I haven't read the Gohan vs Super Buu part, but I did see from Vegetto vs Super Buu w/ Gohan all the way to the end. In the anime Goku and Vegeta fight Super Buu inside his own body for quiet a while, but in the manga Vegeta wastes no time in pulling out Fat Buu.[[User:KojiDude|KojiDude]] 15:49, 2 July 2006 (UTC) |
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[edit]Is it possible to add a picture of adult gohan on this page?? For example :this Lord kai07 (talk) 08:56, 1 September 2022 (UTC)
- Done. I found a better one, a scan of a manga panel of Gohan, directly drawn by Toriyama. Haleth (talk) 12:37, 13 September 2022 (UTC)
- @Lord kai07, do you realize what you have done? Right now, this page is displaying the exact same picture in two sections with more or less the exact same captions. You specifically asked for a picture of adult gohan, on this very page. I have uploaded one per your request, and I moved the picture depicting Gohan as a child from the infobox to the section for Gohan#In_Dragon_Ball_Z. That is because all four character designs featured in that picture are specific to one portion of Dragon Ball Z, none of which depicts him as a grown teenager or adult. In 2022, the character is likely better known as an adult character, much like Goku, following the numerous newer manga, movie and television adaptations, all of which depicts the character well past his childhood years, again like Goku. If you insist on a picture that depicts Gohan as both an adult and youth, exactly as drawn by Toriyama or Toyotaro, the onus is on you to provide the image. Stop your disruptive edit warring by repeatedly reverting to a version that makes absolutely no sense in my opinion.
- Pinging @Tintor2 and @Lord Opeth to invite their views on the matter. Haleth (talk) 16:50, 14 September 2022 (UTC)
- I can't see the image. Still, nonfrees tend to be a bit strict so if possible it would be better to add one image that is discussed in the article. Kinda like how Yuta Okkotsu has two images as a result of his design being revised for the main series due to his similarities with Fushiguro. Infobox images normally focus on the character's intro while in Goku among others protagonists one where they show their growing personas. I had a similar problem with Eren Yeager since some people wanted his adult design but in the final arc of Attack on Titan, he changes his look like twice and the author never commented on such styles. If critics comment on Gohan's older persona then it would be suitable for the appearances section.Tintor2 (talk) 18:33, 14 September 2022 (UTC)
I asked for an adult Gohan image. The one provided isn't a good depiction of adult Gohan.The quality of the drawing is also very poor.There are definitely far better images out there, which properly depict adult Gohan.Thanks for helping me out. But I believe a better Gohan image can definitely be found.Lord kai07 (talk) 19:11, 14 September 2022 (UTC)
@Lord kai07: See theguideline. Nonfree images have to have a proper purpose. Gohan also had several looks as post Cell arc as a result of his outfits from Piccolo or Goku, or retired fighter.Tintor2 (talk) 19:16, 14 September 2022 (UTC)
Also don't revert Haleth's edits. He just uploaded a pic based on a request and was replaced out of nowhere. Rather than reverting Haleth's edit, talk here Tintor2 (talk) 19:29, 14 September 2022 (UTC)
I apologize, I actually didn't remember my request, but can't we use something like thisLord kai07 (talk) 02:21, 15 September 2022 (UTC)
- I had to remove the image because there were some issues with the upload. When it comes to images of fictional characters, art generated by the original author is preferred unless it's an anime solo like Shinya Kogami who first starred in a tv series rather than a manga.Tintor2 (talk) 21:55, 14 September 2022 (UTC)
- Right @Lord kai07. So you've just admitted the real reason why you are continually reverting my edits. You don't like it and you personally prefer another image. That is not a good enough reason to be disruptive and edit war. You also, I assume, uploaded a non-free copyrighted image that you personally prefer into wiki commons, which is the just deleted file File:Adult Gohan in DBS Superhero.jpg and the one you linked into the initial image. That shows that you are still inexperienced and ignorant of the requirements and rules surrounding the use of copyrighted images for Wikimedia projects. Anyway, I have restored the original image I uploaded since @Tintor2 was unable to find the it because of your edit warring. Don't revert me again until we have reached a consensus and determine whether your objection to the use of said image had any merit to it. Haleth (talk) 22:25, 14 September 2022 (UTC)
- Image seems fitting especially since Toriyama drew it.Tintor2 (talk) 22:58, 14 September 2022 (UTC)
I didn't upload the image myself. I do know the rules of image copyright, hence I prefer not to upload and ask others. If I knew how to do it properly, then I wouldn't have asked for help. I did forget my request, so i assumed, the image currently in use, being a fan art as it was taken from Twitter. My humble apologies for that. Then this image has definite flaws It doesn't really potray the current Adult Gohan properly. Gohan in this image is still a young teen. He changes a lot later on. Then I particularly don't believe it was an edit war. I did forget some rules, but I'm not completely disagreeing with haleth. Lord kai07 (talk) 02:20, 15 September 2022 (UTC)
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