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== WIkiProject ''Doctor Who'' Newsletter: July 2024 ==
== Question at Village Pump ==


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https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Village_pump_(technical)#AfC_Invite_Template_Questions


| {{center|1=<span style="font-size: 110%;"><big>'''The Space-Time Telegraph'''</big><br />'''Volume II, Issue I — July 2024<br />'''Brought to you by the editors of [[Wikipedia:WikiProject Doctor Who|WikiProject ''Doctor Who'']]</span>}}
== [https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Village_pump_(proposals)#Media_Viewer_RfC_Question_1 Media Viewer RfC close] ==


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A half-close on just part 2 was previously reverted as improper. Please either do a full close or withdraw your partial close. (Or better yet withdraw the partial close and list yourself as a first name for a panel of 3 to do a full close, as multiple people have said this warrants.)<P>
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Note that Part 1 issues an ''immediate call to implement''. A "No consensus" result on part two eliminates the 7 day bar against immediate implementation. As noted in the discussion section, consensus can be reached on part 2 by dropping the final bullet point of part 2. [[User:Alsee|Alsee]] ([[User talk:Alsee|talk]]) 20:17, 5 December 2014 (UTC)
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Okay–ooh. New <s>teeth</s> newsletter. That's weird...


<big>'''Hello!'''</big>
<P>I attempted to discuss this with you in good faith, you have demonstrated bad faith by going actively non-responsive both here and on Administrator's Noticeboard. (I find it painfully notable you are exactly repeating MDann52 actively non-responsive behavior, and that it was a contributing factor in the case against him.) You leave me no choice but to file a formal action on Administrator's Noticeboard. ******** '''In the middle of writing this''' I see someone has preformed a close on the RfC just moments ago. Consider this a notice that I have a standing objection to your part2 close and I may still file a close review, but I am am going to examine this new development before filing formal action. [[User:Alsee|Alsee]] ([[User talk:Alsee|talk]]) 17:17, 10 December 2014 (UTC)


:Welcome to the first regenerated issue of The Space-Time Telegraph, the official newsletter of [[Wikipedia:WikiProject Doctor Who|WikiProject ''Doctor Who'']]. We hope it finds you well in your safe travels across the Whoniverse! This newsletter was founded in 2008 and seemed to get lost in the time vortex quite quickly. Thanks to the Doctor dragging Sutekh through the time vortex and bringing life by bringing death to death (''yeah... I'm a little confused too''), it seems to have regenerated. The writing staff hopes to bring you future editions quarterly.
:How long are you going to badger me over this? I have closed the RfC (or part thereof) and you don't agree with the outcome. What "formal action" would you seek? That someone else reclose it until it agrees with your desired outcome? I don't think that os going to happen. If it was a bad close, another administrator would have taken some action already, but none have. <code style="white-space:nowrap">-- [[[[User:Edokter|<span style="color:#006">User:Edokter</span>]]]] {&#123;[[User talk:Edokter|<span style="color:#060">talk</span>]]&#125;}</code> 18:37, 10 December 2014 (UTC)
::I have avoided "badgering" you. However I am required to notify you of [[WP:Administrators'_noticeboard#Close_Review_Request_after_overturn_and_reclose]] [[User:Alsee|Alsee]] ([[User talk:Alsee|talk]]) 13:29, 17 December 2014 (UTC)


:For this first edition, we have created an updated version of [[Wikipedia:WikiProject Doctor Who/Newsletter/Mailing list|our mailing list]] that includes any active editors who previously had their usernames included in [[Wikipedia:WikiProject Doctor Who/Participants/Active participants|our participants list]]. If you do not wish to receive future editions, please remove your name from the mailing list. If you no longer wish to participate in the project, please also remove your name from the participants list.
== [[Template:Tag]] and [[Template:Tag/doc|/doc]] ==


:I think that's enough about the newsletter for now. Let's dive into interesting things happening within the ''Doctor Who'' side of Wikipedia. Geronimooooo.....
* https://en.wikipedia.org/enwiki/w/index.php?title=Template%3ATag&diff=638073181&oldid=638064401
: ''(Not an accident; these are superfluous and redundant.)
Like the {{mono|<nowiki>state=</nowiki>}} in Navboxes etc..?


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Also, why did you remove the correction to the code heading?


<big>'''Big Spike in Productivity'''</big>
* https://en.wikipedia.org/enwiki/w/index.php?title=Template%3ATag%2Fdoc&diff=638073833&oldid=638065668
:During 2024, the project has scored 8 GAs, 2 FLs and a GT, up from last year's 4 GAs and a GT. Several additional things are in the pipeline, with a bunch of things currently having been nominated with some mix of [[User:OlifanofmrTennant|OlifanofmrTennant]], [[User:TheDoctorWho|TheDoctorWho]], and [[User:Pokelego999|Pokelego999]] having their names attached to them. Allow me to look into the nominees.
: ''(Rv; tables are too wide, even at 1280px wide!)''
What are you trying to view this on? No problems here, at whatever (reasonable) resolution tried. (Usual is 1680 by 1050.)


# Series 14: As of July 18th, every single episode has been sent to GAN, with "[[Boom (Doctor Who)|Boom]]", "[[73 Yards]]", and "[[The Devil's Chord]]" having made it to GA.
But if there is a problem, why didn't you try to fix it?
# 2023 Specials: Early in the year, as part of trying to not lose the WikiCup, Ollie sent "[[The Star Beast (Doctor Who episode)|The Star Beast]]" <small>(still salty about the move)</small> to GAN. It was reviewed by [[User:Bilorv|frequent collaborator]] <small>(fly high)</small> of hers, but failed. She then fixed it up and sent it back where it passed. Later "[[The Giggle]]" was expanded and sent to GA, followed shortly by "[[Wild Blue Yonder (Doctor Who)|Wild Blue Yonder]]". WBY received help by [[User:JustAnotherCompanion|JustAnotherCompanion]], a pretty fresh user. This other companion chose not to be listed as co-nom. A page was created for "[[Destination: Skaro]]" and quickly got GA status.
# ''[[The Daleks' Master Plan]]'' was also sent to GAN by [[User:Rhain|Rhain]]. It passed to join Rhain's other First Doctor content, being the fourth season three article to get the green check.
# Peter Capaldi: The [[Peter Capaldi filmography |filmography]] and newly created [[List of awards and nominations received by Peter Capaldi|awards]] of Capaldi were both sent to FLC and passed. Capaldi's main page was sent to GA, though due to some minor incompetence on the part of the nominator it was failed.
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<big>'''Proposals to the WikiProject'''</big>
[[User:Sardanaphalus|Sardanaphalus]] ([[User talk:Sardanaphalus|talk]]) 18:31, 14 December 2014 (UTC)
:A recent proposal at [[Wikipedia talk:WikiProject Doctor Who]] suggested potential improvements and suggestions for the main page of the project, as well as discussions about the project overall. The proposals are as follows:
# The Task Forces section should be removed due to inactivity in the Torchwood Task Force, and a lack of significant interest in creating further Task Forces.
# The freenode channel no longer works and should be removed due to most discussion taking place on site.
# Due to the low quality of ''[[Lungbarrow]]'' and ''[[Jubilee (audio drama)|Jubilee]]'' despite being sample articles, these articles should either be removed as samples or improved. Additionally, the "sample device" has a very small application field, and should be removed from the sample articles section.
# An updates infobox should be included, similarly to those used by [[Wikipedia:VGCHAR]].
# ''[[Radio Times]]''{{'}}s ''Doctor Who'' sections should be included in the references section due to their benefits for the project sourcing wise.
# The Deletion Discussion archive should be removed, or have work invested in updating it, due to its lack of updates.


If you feel you have any thoughts or suggestions on these matters, or on any other matters pertaining to the project and its main page, feel free to chime in the ongoing discussion.
:Where to begin...? I'm viewing this on my 1280x960 screen. 1280 is still the most common screenwidth used. If you think everyone sees the internet as you do on ''your'' screen, then you have a problem; Let's forget mobile and tablets! If your layout is breaking outside screens of 1024 wide, it is considered badly broken design.
:I also do not have the time to go through all the changes and weed out the mistakes. That usually means a revert of most recent edits. You cannot expect other to clean up the mess. (Though I ''try'' to weed them out.)
:The parameters again... In templates, there is no need to complement unnamed parameters with named one, ''and'' vice versa. If you pay a little attention to where each is used, you will find unnamed parameters are ususally ulilized for ''required'' and ''subsequent optional'' parameters where no ambiguity can exist. Any more complex parameter structure uses named parameters, ''or'' they are added as additional parameters where unnamed parameter already exist. But ''never'' should named and unnamed parameter names be combined to accept both. Your approach to provide maximum flexibility (at least, that is what I asume), only runs the risk of ''creating'' ambiguity, and locking up the code, blocking any future development (''especially'' in core- and meta template). So I am keeping an eye out on your edits, and will revert (or fix when possible) if they cause any potential problems. <code style="white-space:nowrap">-- [[[[User:Edokter|<span style="color:#006">User:Edokter</span>]]]] {&#123;[[User talk:Edokter|<span style="color:#060">talk</span>]]&#125;}</code> 22:32, 14 December 2014 (UTC)


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:* Where to begin...? Indeed. Before posting the above, did you read through it imagining it was directed at you?
:: "I also do not have the time to go through all the changes and weed out the mistakes. That usually means a revert of most recent edits ... (Though I ''try'' to weed them out.)"
:: You "''choose not to spend'' time going through all the changes to weed out ''what you've decided are'' mistakes"; ''that'' is what "usually means a revert of most recent edits". Mistakes or not, if you did try to "weed them out", reversion wouldn't be your default response; nor would it be your default response{{aside|accompanied by a dismissive and/or patronizing and/or authoritarian comment or commentary (as, for instance, above)}} if you did try to work things out with good faith and in collaboration.
:: You report that tables are "oversized"{{aside|as a result, I imagine, of how the page appeared on your screen/screens?}} but give no indication or suggestion as to what may be amiss, even after a report that they seem fine at various resolutions (including, incidentally, 1280 by 960). As regards parameters, your attention may've been drawn away from situations that are already potentially ambiguous: {{tnf|tag|references|single}}, for example. You are mistaken if you believe I'm aiming to provide maximum flexibility – which, even if that were the case, does not necessarily nor "only" run the risk of creating ambiguity and "locking up the code".
:: Reversion and keeping an eye on someone's edits... Sounds miserable.
:: [[User:Sardanaphalus|Sardanaphalus]] ([[User talk:Sardanaphalus|talk]]) 09:28, 16 December 2014 (UTC)
:::Deal with it... It may sou harsch, but we are all volunteers, and you cannot demand from someone to fix your mistakes. I give pointers where I can, but if you are reverted, the first place to post comments is the template talk page, not here. You seem to take this too personally; it isn't. However, your editing style resembles a "do first, ask questions later" attitude, and that does not go well with other editors, including me. I watch a lot of templates, and I find edits that adds overcomplicated code/CSS while not providing any net gain, I will revert. So stop coming here, and discuss the issues on the apropriate talk page in the future. Again, this is nothing personal; your code just sucks. <code style="white-space:nowrap">-- [[[[User:Edokter|<span style="color:#006">User:Edokter</span>]]]] {&#123;[[User talk:Edokter|<span style="color:#060">talk</span>]]&#125;}</code> 11:17, 16 December 2014 (UTC)


<big>'''Discussions of Note'''</big>
:::# "...you cannot demand from someone to fix your mistakes." (Note authoritarian tone; not volunteer-like).<br/>Where is this demand?
:::# "...the first place to post comments is the template talk page, not here."<br/>Have you considered{{aside|with good faith in mind}} why I choose to make posts such as the above here rather than elsewhere?
:::# "...You seem to take this too personally"<br/>Given the manner of your interaction, you don't think that might apply to you?
:::# "a "do first, ask questions later" attitude"<br/>More accurately, a "do something, see what happens" approach, otherwise too much time disappears. It's preferable to a "revert, reprimand and dismiss under the guise of discussion" approach.
:::# "...while not providing any net gain"<br/>A net gain – according to whom?
:::# Someone's code might suck, but, sadly, rigidity and the need to be right suck far more fundamentally. It's not a black-or-white world.
:::: [[User:Sardanaphalus|Sardanaphalus]] ([[User talk:Sardanaphalus|talk]]) 12:30, 16 December 2014 (UTC)


A move discussion is [[Talk:Doctor_Who_series_14#Second_requested_move|currently underway]] on whether or not [[Doctor Who series 14|''Doctor Who'' series 14]] should be moved to [[Doctor Who season 1 (2024)|''Doctor Who'' season 1 (2024)]]. The discussion also involves conversation on a few other adjacent articles. If you have an opinion on the matter please read over the discussion or leave comments.
:::::Your opinion of my "''choose not to spend time''" implies a demand that I do. I fail to see how stating fact is in any way authoritative. If you cannot be bothered to make time to discuss your changes, then don't complain when you are reverted. Being [[WP:BOLD|bold]] never ensures your edits stick. My urging you to take it to the template talk page is nothing more reminding you of [[WP:BRD]]. If I do seem dismissive, it is only after having to revert multiple time for the same reason. <code style="white-space:nowrap">-- [[[[User:Edokter|<span style="color:#006">User:Edokter</span>]]]] {&#123;[[User talk:Edokter|<span style="color:#060">talk</span>]]&#125;}</code> 12:44, 16 December 2014 (UTC)


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Edok, you mentioned an editor introduced a bug into [[Template:CSS image crop]]. It's probably a good idea to summarize the bug on the talk page to hopefully prevent others from making the same mistake. [[User:Oiyarbepsy|Oiyarbepsy]] ([[User talk:Oiyarbepsy|talk]]) 20:22, 15 December 2014 (UTC)
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:That won't help. A comment in the template itself may work though. <code style="white-space:nowrap">-- [[[[User:Edokter|<span style="color:#006">User:Edokter</span>]]]] {&#123;[[User talk:Edokter|<span style="color:#060">talk</span>]]&#125;}</code> 20:25, 15 December 2014 (UTC)
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* Edok, I would like your opinion about the position and effect of the "Open Auto CSS image crop" that now appears when editing pages outside of [[User:Codehydro/Auto_CSS_image_crop]]. —[[User:Codehydro|<font color="#aaaaaa" face="Unicode" style="font-size:12pt;">'''Code'''</font>]][[User talk:Codehydro|<font color="#5577aa">'''Hydro'''</font>]] 20:28, 18 December 2014 (UTC)
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** It's crude, but functional. Can't think of a more suitable place for the time being. Would like a few px of padding oin the left. I may tweak the form (if you don't mind). <code style="white-space:nowrap">-- [[[[User:Edokter|<span style="color:#006">User:Edokter</span>]]]] {&#123;[[User talk:Edokter|<span style="color:#060">talk</span>]]&#125;}</code> 20:55, 18 December 2014 (UTC)
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** Hmm, it's not quite functional when trying it on [[List of Vice Presidents of the United States]]. <code style="white-space:nowrap">-- [[[[User:Edokter|<span style="color:#006">User:Edokter</span>]]]] {&#123;[[User talk:Edokter|<span style="color:#060">talk</span>]]&#125;}</code> 21:02, 18 December 2014 (UTC)
***Ah, I see the bug. The problem is that the script assumes the image on [[:File:JohnAdams 2nd US President.jpg]] is a thumbnail, but it isn't... I tested about 50 images and that's the first one that isn't a thumbnail. Guess the size must have been just close enough to Wikipedia's defaut size for it not to get resized. Give me about 5 minutes... —[[User:Codehydro|<font color="#aaaaaa" face="Unicode" style="font-size:12pt;">'''Code'''</font>]][[User talk:Codehydro|<font color="#5577aa">'''Hydro'''</font>]] 23:40, 18 December 2014 (UTC)
* Fixed. Also added padding to form as you suggested. —[[User:Codehydro|<font color="#aaaaaa" face="Unicode" style="font-size:12pt;">'''Code'''</font>]][[User talk:Codehydro|<font color="#5577aa">'''Hydro'''</font>]] 00:03, 19 December 2014 (UTC)
: I'm sure you've notice the suppress output newlines button by now. You may also find enter "max" in bSize instead of a specific value to be helpful. Also fixed the "XXX>YYY" when scaling down. What do you think of the new buttons? Oh, and by the way, you're welcome to tweak the aesthetics a bit if you'd like since you've got much more skin making experience than I do. Just be careful about moving the crop image preview box because the click to crop lines may not line up properly if you change that. —[[User:Codehydro|<font color="#aaaaaa" face="Unicode" style="font-size:12pt;">'''Code'''</font>]][[User talk:Codehydro|<font color="#5577aa">'''Hydro'''</font>]] 21:19, 19 December 2014 (UTC)


[[User:MediaWiki message delivery|MediaWiki message delivery]] ([[User talk:MediaWiki message delivery|talk]]) 04:31, 20 July 2024 (UTC)
== [[Cascading Style Sheets]] ==
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: ''(Table columns are Bad™)''
What, then, produces an output along the lines of the previous version, i.e. with columns whose widths depend on their contents (or perhaps the widest content) rather than e.g. a (potentially very wide) screen width?


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(And if table columns are "bad", why are they a standard, a staple?)


== WIkiProject ''Doctor Who'': September 2024 Newsletter ==
[[User:Sardanaphalus|Sardanaphalus]] ([[User talk:Sardanaphalus|talk]]) 12:23, 17 December 2014 (UTC)


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:The preferred way is using CSS columns (and {{tl|div col}} is the only generic template using CSS columns). <code style="white-space:nowrap">-- [[[[User:Edokter|<span style="color:#006">User:Edokter</span>]]]] {&#123;[[User talk:Edokter|<span style="color:#060">talk</span>]]&#125;}</code> 16:02, 17 December 2014 (UTC)
:* Perhaps placing {{tnf|Div col}} within a width-limiting div will work. I'll experiment.
:: What problem/s do wiki/HTML table columns create that CSS doesn't..?
:: [[User:Sardanaphalus|Sardanaphalus]] ([[User talk:Sardanaphalus|talk]]) 10:49, 20 December 2014 (UTC)


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{{replyto|Sardanaphalus}} Table columns are for tables, not for formatting. They’re a standard because tables are a very good way of displaying tabular data. —[[Special:Contributions/174.141.182.82|174.141.182.82]] ([[User talk:174.141.182.82|talk]]) 06:46, 20 December 2014 (UTC)
* That sounds a bit circular, but I suspect the point is elsewhere: what to consider tabular. Given screens as the output medium, I imagine it's data or information that's two-dimensional ("dual-aspect"). [[User:Sardanaphalus|Sardanaphalus]] ([[User talk:Sardanaphalus|talk]]) 10:49, 20 December 2014 (UTC)
** Correct. If data only need a top header, columns are the better choice. <code style="white-space:nowrap">-- [[[[User:Edokter|<span style="color:#006">User:Edokter</span>]]]] {&#123;[[User talk:Edokter|<span style="color:#060">talk</span>]]&#125;}</code> 13:03, 20 December 2014 (UTC)


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<big>'''Welcome'''</big>
Since there barely seems to be any interest in the question at [[WT:AT]] (which seems the logical place for it), I wanted to ask you if there’s a project page that ''does'' have discussion about it. Thanks. —[[Special:Contributions/174.141.182.82|174.141.182.82]] ([[User talk:174.141.182.82|talk]]) 06:37, 20 December 2014 (UTC)
:Not that I know. So by all means, post your thought there. <code style="white-space:nowrap">-- [[[[User:Edokter|<span style="color:#006">User:Edokter</span>]]]] {&#123;[[User talk:Edokter|<span style="color:#060">talk</span>]]&#125;}</code> 09:37, 20 December 2014 (UTC)


:Hello and welcome to the second issue of the new newsletter! Following the success of the first newsletter we are back to write more stuff.}}
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: ''(Undid revision 639370927 by Sardanaphalus (talk) ......''


<big>'''Articles for deletion'''</big>
Were all changes I made here improper / unacceptable / not to your taste / etc ..?
<br>Several articles have been nominated for deletion, such as [[Time War (Doctor Who)]], and several articles have been deleted, or merged or redirected, especially those relating to books, due to lack of [[WP:SIGCOV]] and [[WP:NBOOK]]. Editors can always help either by participating in the deletion discussions (which are noted on the project page), adding to such articles, or bringing attention to other such articles through AfD or the WikiProject talk page, to aid in clean-up.


<big>'''Notice of Draft Articles'''</big>
[[User:Sardanaphalus|Sardanaphalus]] ([[User talk:Sardanaphalus|talk]]) 20:19, 23 December 2014 (UTC)
<br>A new ''Doctor Who'' spin-off was announced at the 2024 San Diego Comic-Con, called ''[[The War Between the Land and the Sea]]'', and will feature old and new [[Whoniverse]] characters working for [[UNIT]] as they battle the [[Sea Devil (Doctor Who)|Sea Devils]]. The main space article currently redirects to Whoniverse, but collaboration is [[Draft:The War Between the Land and the Sea|currently underway in a draft article]]. As filming on this miniseries has recently begun, its relocation to the mains space will presumably take place soon per the recommendations laid out at [[WP:NTV]].


<br>There is also a [[Draft:Joy to the World (Doctor Who)|draft article in progress for the upcoming 2024 Christmas special]]. While this article won't be moved until the episode airs, any new contributions are welcome.
==[[Template:Infobox television]]-related==
Hi. I was wondering if there is a way to have co-producers added to the Template:Infobox-television page since some of the shows and cartoons have co-producers. Or is there another way to list co-producers? I'm just asking. --[[User:Rtkat3|Rtkat3]] ([[User talk:Rtkat3|talk]]) 03:14, 26 December 2014 (UTC)
:I think they can be listed under 'Producers', but maybe you should ask on [[Template talk:Infobox television]] or [[Wikipedia talk:WikiProject Television]]. <code style="white-space:nowrap">-- [[[[User:Edokter|<span style="color:#006">User:Edokter</span>]]]] {&#123;[[User talk:Edokter|<span style="color:#060">talk</span>]]&#125;}</code> 09:44, 26 December 2014 (UTC)


== Doctor Who episodes ==
<big>'''Doctor Who News'''</big>
<br>A small number of editors have recently raised questions regarding the reliability of [https://www.doctorwhonews.net/ Doctor Who News]. This website is particularly used for information regarding viewing figures and the [[Appreciation Index]] of most episodes as well as some news information. If there is a better source for any information supported by this website, it should be replaced in good faith.


<br>A full consensus on whether or not to remove the information that can't be supported by a different source has not yet been reached. Any editor who has opinions on this matter should contribute to the discussion on the [[WT:WHO|WikiProject talk page]].
A working version of the use of sublists in [[List of Doctor Who serials]] is now viewable in my [[User:AlexTheWhovian/sandbox|sandbox]]. Edits have included conforming table widths, all tables using two decimals for viewership, using one source for all viewership/AI sources instead of a mess of multiple, removing minisodes (these can be added to Other Stories, given that they're not actual episode that contribute to the television series), no double lines after each table, among others (available in the sandbox history). Your thoughts? [[User:AlexTheWhovian|AlexTheWhovian]] ([[User talk:AlexTheWhovian|talk]]) 04:41, 27 December 2014 (UTC)
:That looks great! But I thought the whole point was to transclude the series tables from their respective pages? Or are you planning to makes these changes there? <code style="white-space:nowrap">-- [[[[User:Edokter|<span style="color:#006">User:Edokter</span>]]]] {&#123;[[User talk:Edokter|<span style="color:#060">talk</span>]]&#125;}</code> 09:17, 27 December 2014 (UTC)
::Aye, exactly. The edits I've done to the tables in my sandbox, I'll put these modifications across to the respective series pages (adding the summaries back in), then transclude the series table to the TV series list. So, all good to proceed? [[User:AlexTheWhovian|AlexTheWhovian]] ([[User talk:AlexTheWhovian|talk]]) 09:21, 27 December 2014 (UTC)
:::Go ahead. <code style="white-space:nowrap">-- [[[[User:Edokter|<span style="color:#006">User:Edokter</span>]]]] {&#123;[[User talk:Edokter|<span style="color:#060">talk</span>]]&#125;}</code> 09:23, 27 December 2014 (UTC)


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== [[Civil service]] ==


<big>'''Continued Progress Towards Good/Featured Content'''</big>
* https://en.wikipedia.org/enwiki/w/index.php?title=Civil_service&curid=160793&diff=640514517&oldid=640506120
<br> There has been lots of progress made towards recognized articles in the last two months, related to such diverse categories as series, specials, lists and episodes A [[Wikipedia:WikiProject_Doctor_Who/Goals|sub-page]] has also been added to the WikiProject, to list any possible goals we can aim towards.
: ''(→‎See also: Fix hacky dovs, list layout and bypass redirects)''
Thanks for drawing my attention to the {{mono|nocolbreak}} class. What makes it less "hacky" than {{mono|display:inline-block;}}..? [[User:Sardanaphalus|Sardanaphalus]] ([[User talk:Sardanaphalus|talk]]) 19:41, 1 January 2015 (UTC)
:Inline-block's pupose to to display a block element inline. It only worked because the lists inside it were block element too. <code style="white-space:nowrap">-- [[[[User:Edokter|<span style="color:#006">User:Edokter</span>]]]] {&#123;[[User talk:Edokter|<span style="color:#060">talk</span>]]&#125;}</code> 19:59, 1 January 2015 (UTC)
:: Okay. I've made a note of {{mono|nocolbreak}}. I'm sorry to see that you appear set against the point of "Start/End div col" and I'm wondering what you make of [https://en.wikipedia.org/enwiki/w/index.php?title=Template_talk%3ADiv_col&diff=639882492&oldid=639849095]. [[User:Sardanaphalus|Sardanaphalus]] ([[User talk:Sardanaphalus|talk]]) 23:18, 1 January 2015 (UTC)
::: I have to echo Redrose64's comments. The use of comment markers should be minimal. Although WediaWiki strips these markers, they are technically not allowed inside HTML tags, but are considered allowable (sparingly) inside parser functions. <code style="white-space:nowrap">-- [[[[User:Edokter|<span style="color:#006">User:Edokter</span>]]]] {&#123;[[User talk:Edokter|<span style="color:#060">talk</span>]]&#125;}</code> 23:27, 1 January 2015 (UTC)


<big>'''Proposals Regarding the State of Fictional Elements Articles in the WikiProject'''</big>
== Please do not pre-empt the outcome of an "XfD" discussion ==
:Several proposals have been laid out regarding fictional elements in the WikiProject, which includes fictional characters, locations, and more. Due to a concerning quality state regarding the large majority of them, several methods of tackling them in order to improve these articles' quality for the future have been proposed. The primary three proposals are as follows:
:1. A priority list should be made to determine what articles are most pressing and in need of improvement in the WikiProject overall. Focus would be put onto important subjects and articles in a state of dubious notability that would make them viable for deletion processes such as AfD.
:2. A group of articles is selected for improvement, which are ones deemed most relevant to the WikiProject for the future. Any lesser important subjects can be sidelined and worked on as editors see fit.


:3. A long term goal is made to improve all elements. This will come at the caveat of taking significantly longer and requiring more heavy participation than the above two proposals, but would guarantee a slow and steady way to solve the issue.
* [[Special:Contributions/Edokter]] around 09:40 to 10:10 today


:If any editors are interested in chiming into the conversation and sharing their piece on how this should be handled, or if any editors wish to help with this proposal and improve fictional elements articles, then feel free to share thoughts at the discussion's section on [[Wikipedia_talk:WikiProject_Doctor_Who#On_the_Subject_of_Fictional_Elements_in_this_WikiProject|the article's talk page]].
Please do not pre-empt/second-guess/presume the outcome of a "[something] for discussion" discussion by making edits such as these. At least one of them also involved removals that were not addressed in the edit summary. I have requested that [[Wikipedia:Redirects for discussion/Log/2015 January 1#Template:Start div col]] is closed as subverted and will now restore the pages these edits have affected.
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<big>'''Contributors'''</big>
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:I am merely preparing for a ''potential'' outcome. You reverting everything is quite disruptive, so I will roll back. <code style="white-space:nowrap">-- [[[[User:Edokter|<span style="color:#006">User:Edokter</span>]]]] {&#123;[[User talk:Edokter|<span style="color:#060">talk</span>]]&#125;}</code> 15:25, 2 January 2015 (UTC)
::Edokter, contrary to [https://en.wikipedia.org/enwiki/w/index.php?title=User_talk:Sardanaphalus&diff=prev&oldid=640664197 your assertion], it is you who is edit warring. May I suggest, quite strongly, that you desist? &mdash;&nbsp;Martin <small>([[User:MSGJ|MSGJ]]&nbsp;·&nbsp;[[User talk:MSGJ|talk]])</small> 16:33, 2 January 2015 (UTC)
::I've now reverted your changes. Please wait for the RfD outcome. &mdash;&nbsp;Martin <small>([[User:MSGJ|MSGJ]]&nbsp;·&nbsp;[[User talk:MSGJ|talk]])</small> 22:58, 2 January 2015 (UTC)
:::Welcome to the edit war. <code style="white-space:nowrap">-- [[[[User:Edokter|<span style="color:#006">User:Edokter</span>]]]] {&#123;[[User talk:Edokter|<span style="color:#060">talk</span>]]&#125;}</code> 09:15, 3 January 2015 (UTC)


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== WIkiProject ''Doctor Who'': December 2024 Newsletter ==
== Module talk:Episode list ==


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Regarding your edit summary {{Diff2|640942636|on this edit}}, I certainly was not "abusing" the template. In fact, I wasn't even calling for comments! If you read [[Module talk:Episode list#Template-protected edit request on 5 December 2014|the entire thread]], you'll see that [[User:Technical 13|Technical 13]] invited me to reactivate my request once I'd fully tested my proposed change in the sandbox. I did so, and was merely reactivating the request per Technical 13's instruction.


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While I readily admit that my proposed fix is not the most elegant solution, my last comment was, "...unless somebody else chimes in with a better proposal." Well, two weeks passed and nobody chimed in. Therefore, I was ready to press ahead with implementation of my proposed change. That is why I reactivated the request—to catch the attention of somebody who can help me with that (as I lack the proper permissions).


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Again, I was not calling for comments. I would appreciate if you would assume good faith in the future. Thanks, and happy editing. –&nbsp;[[User:Voidxor|voidxor]]&nbsp;<small><sup>([[User talk:Voidxor|talk]]&nbsp;&#124;&nbsp;[[Special:Contributions/Voidxor|contrib]])</sup></small> 07:04, 5 January 2015 (UTC)
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:It was still used improperly... The protected edit request is there to call an admin (or template editor) handling these requests to make one straight edit, meaning it must be accompanied by a chunk of ready-to-paste code. If there is ''any'' discussion still pending, or code missing, it should ''not'' be used. <code style="white-space:nowrap">-- [[[[User:Edokter|<span style="color:#006">User:Edokter</span>]]]] {&#123;[[User talk:Edokter|<span style="color:#060">talk</span>]]&#125;}</code> 08:02, 5 January 2015 (UTC)
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:* Edokter, I'll note that tested code in the sandbox counts as "accompanied by a chunk of ready-to-paste code". I've re-enabled the request because it looks like there is consensus in that discussion that the extra space in some situations is preferable to no space in others. I'd implement it myself as a {{TE}} except that Lua makes me uncomfortable and I'd rather let one of our very talented Lua coders do it. Happy editing! — <span class="nowrap">&#123;&#123;U&#124;[[User:Technical 13|Technical 13]]&#125;&#125; <sup>([[Special:EmailUser/Technical 13|e]] • [[User talk:Technical 13|t]] • [[Special:Contribs/Technical 13|c]])</sup></span> 13:06, 5 January 2015 (UTC)
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<big>'''Joy to the Doctor Who WikiProjects'''</big>
== Survey ==


:Hello and welcome to the third issue of the new newsletter! A look ahead to the happenings of the WikiProject as we welcome a new year}}
Hello again & Happy New Year.


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Before the need forces me to "go formal", I'm asking a few folks ahead of time (you're the first actually) whom I've come to consider 'rather capable' & 'technically savvy' while I've been 'lurking about' Wikipedia to stop by Wikisource and report your findings to the points outlined in a quick and easy survey - well quick and easy if you get past my opening blatherings that is.


<big>'''Continued Improvement of Content'''</big>
We're looking to see if further "development" is worth pursuing (even possible?) if a high enough percentage of contributors give us all positive results. Explanation, details, links, etc. all&nbsp;<mark>[[s:Wikisource:Scriptorium#Survey|start&nbsp;here]]</mark>.
:Since the last Newsletter, the articles "[[Eve of the Daleks]]", ''[[Terror of the Zygons]]'', "[[The Name of the Doctor]]", "[[Silence in the Library]]", [[Doctor Who series 2|''Doctor Who'' series 2]], [[Mel Bush]], [[Peter Capaldi]], "[[Midnight (Doctor Who)|Midnight]]", "[[Forest of the Dead]]", "[[The Church on Ruby Road]]", [[Doctor Who specials (2023)|''Doctor Who'' specials (2023)]], and [[Doctor Who series 14|''Doctor Who'' series 14]] have all been promoted to Good Article status. The Good Topic [[Wikipedia:Good topics/Doctor Who specials (2023)|''Doctor Who'' specials (2023)]] and the Featured Topic [[Wikipedia:Featured topics/Peter Capaldi|Peter Capaldi]] have also been promoted.


:With the amount of articles promoted in the year, we have had our second most productive year of all time, falling just short of beating the record set by 2012. Work is continuing underway on articles Project-wide, and the Good Topic for the [[Wikipedia:WikiProject Doctor Who/Goals#2005–present|revived era]] nears completion.
Thanks in advance -- pass this on to whomever you feel can build upon what I hope you found to be at least an interesting bit of new wiki-info if not an intriguing possibility to build upon somehow. [[User:George Orwell III|George Orwell III]] ([[User talk:George Orwell III|talk]]) 12:03, 6 January 2015 (UTC)


:Ongoing discussion and goals can be found at [[WP:WikiProject Doctor Who/Goals]] and nominees for promoted content [[Wikipedia:WikiProject Doctor Who/Article alerts#GAN|here]]. Feel free to contribute in writing or in reviewing!
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==Help==
Hi Edokter the cite button on right of RefToolbar (2.0b), is not working since last few days at Odia WP (or.wikipedia.org). Please help to fix the cite button bug. Thank you. --[[User:MKar|Mrutyunjaya Kar]] ([[User talk:MKar|talk]]) 18:19, 8 January 2015 (UTC)
:I'm afraid I can't help you here. There have been no changes in our code for months, so the problem appears to be caused on or.wikipedia.org. Has common.js been edits there lately? <code style="white-space:nowrap">-- [[[[User:Edokter|<span style="color:#006">User:Edokter</span>]]]] {&#123;[[User talk:Edokter|<span style="color:#060">talk</span>]]&#125;}</code> 18:32, 8 January 2015 (UTC)
::common.js was last edited on 13 October 2014.--[[User:MKar|Mrutyunjaya Kar]] ([[User talk:MKar|talk]]) 18:55, 8 January 2015 (UTC)
:::I have no clue. Perhaps asking on [[Wikipedia talk:RefToolbar]] may help. <code style="white-space:nowrap">-- [[[[User:Edokter|<span style="color:#006">User:Edokter</span>]]]] {&#123;[[User talk:Edokter|<span style="color:#060">talk</span>]]&#125;}</code> 19:52, 8 January 2015 (UTC)
::::Yesterday the ''[[phab:T86039|bug]]'' was fixed. The culprit was a deprecated function live() which was finally removed a few weeks ago.--[[User:MKar|Mrutyunjaya Kar]] ([[User talk:MKar|talk]]) 15:45, 9 January 2015 (UTC)


<big>'''Reliable Sources'''</big>
==Campaighnbox==
:A [[Wikipedia_talk:WikiProject_Doctor_Who#CultBox|discussion]] on the reliability of [https://cultbox.co.uk/ CultBox] has determined that it should be phased out of use in the WikiProject. This source has been widely used across project articles, especially for information about filming. Concerns that the website is self-published and has poor editorial standards were raised. In some articles, project editors have already begun depreciating the source.
[[Template talk:Campaignbox Campaigns of Cyrus the Great#Reversion without explanation nor attempt to discuss|Here]]. [[User:Sardanaphalus|Sardanaphalus]] ([[User talk:Sardanaphalus|talk]]) 20:47, 8 January 2015 (UTC)


:Similar concerns were raised about [https://doctorwhotv.co.uk Doctor Who TV (doctorwho.tv.co.uk)]. Uses of this source have also been depreciated. This website should NOT be confused with [https://doctorwho.tv Doctor Who TV (doctorwho.tv)], a commercial website published by the Beeb, which is acceptable for use as a primary source.
== template talkpage did not help ==
it is just a few replies and where the discussion stopped 7 days ago without any results and the user talkpages nothing was being done so can anyone please do something about the problem that the result bars and seperated to far vertically, if i knew how to do it myself i would but i cant so am asking you or someone else to help [[User:Dannis243|Dannis243]] ([[User talk:Dannis243|talk]]) 16:16, 9 January 2015 (UTC)
:If this is about [[Template talk:Infobox political party]], I posted a comment there to indicate where the problem is. <code style="white-space:nowrap">-- [[[[User:Edokter|<span style="color:#006">User:Edokter</span>]]]] {&#123;[[User talk:Edokter|<span style="color:#060">talk</span>]]&#125;}</code> 16:58, 9 January 2015 (UTC)


:As discussed in the previous issue, [https://doctorwhonews.net/ Doctor Who News] has been widely phased out where possible. If you have any comments about these sources or any others, please contribute to the discussions on the project talk page.
== Testing section link template ==


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{{section link||To do}} should link to [[{{ARTICLEPAGENAME}}#To do]]. —[[Special:Contributions/174.141.182.82|174.141.182.82]] ([[User talk:174.141.182.82|talk]]) 13:14, 10 January 2015 (UTC)
:It doesn't, because that section is not on my talk page, but my user page. <code style="white-space:nowrap">-- [[[[User:Edokter|<span style="color:#006">User:Edokter</span>]]]] {&#123;[[User talk:Edokter|<span style="color:#060">talk</span>]]&#125;}</code> 13:47, 10 January 2015 (UTC)


<big>'''Novels Being Overhauled'''</big>
== q tag revisited ==
:The scrutiny on many of the Doctor's past adventures through print over the years continues in regard to determining their individual notability. Discussions can be found on [[Wikipedia talk:WikiProject Doctor Who|the WikiProject's talk page]], with discussion still well under way in ironing out which articles pass the notability bar.


:You can contribute by helping to improve articles of the novels, and other extended media, and bringing attention to the ones that might not.
I’m afraid much of my responses to you at [[WT:WHO]] was more personal in nature than strictly on-topic. But I stand by it all. If no one (including yourself) took action on actually getting titles to ''use'' {{tag|q}}, I was ready to remove the quotes from those ''DW'' articles to remedy this isolated inconsistency. If it becomes widespread (even if it’s only you spreading it), that excuse for removing them goes away, ''and'' it would spur some actual discussion. But leaving it as is means there’s no legitimate reason for the quotes to be on those few pages, meaning they don’t belong. So the way I see it, you’re either in or out, either you support and promote the practice—on more than a dozen articles—or you waive any right to object to those few getting reverted to standard. —[[Special:Contributions/174.141.182.82|174.141.182.82]] ([[User talk:174.141.182.82|talk]]) 02:53, 11 January 2015 (UTC)
:Replied at [[WT:WHO]]. <code style="white-space:nowrap">-- [[[[User:Edokter|<span style="color:#006">User:Edokter</span>]]]] {&#123;[[User talk:Edokter|<span style="color:#060">talk</span>]]&#125;}</code> 09:48, 11 January 2015 (UTC)
::I was making suggestions, not demands. If you’re content to edit a TV season’s worth of articles and then take no further action for your cause, that’s your call. That kind of hands-off approach just doesn’t seem like any kind of way to garner community support for anything. All I meant by my comment here was, It just doesn’t seem like it matters to you, or else I’d think you’d be doing more about it. —[[Special:Contributions/174.141.182.82|174.141.182.82]] ([[User talk:174.141.182.82|talk]]) 23:37, 11 January 2015 (UTC)


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== [[m:Special:MyLanguage/Tech/News/2015/03|Tech News: 2015-03]] ==


<big>'''Project Barnstar'''</big>
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:In breaking news, it appears that Torchwood Three has been raided. The [https://tardis.fandom.com/wiki/Resurrection_gauntlet resurrection gauntlet] has been stolen and used on the [[Template:WikiProject Doctor Who Award|WikiProject ''Doctor Who'' Barnstar]]. If you notice exceptional contributions in project areas by any editor, feel free to show them some appreciation by awarding them their very own ✨barnstar✨.
Latest '''[[m:Special:MyLanguage/Tech/News|tech news]]''' from the Wikimedia technical community. Please tell other users about these changes. Not all changes will affect you. [[m:Special:MyLanguage/Tech/News/2015/03|Translations]] are available.


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'''Recent software changes'''
* Rotated PDF files in landscape format used to show too small. They will now display correctly. You may need to purge older files. [https://phabricator.wikimedia.org/T83123]
* You can now use the <code lang="en" dir="ltr" class="mw-content-ltr"><nowiki>{{!}}</nowiki></code> [[mw:Special:MyLanguage/Help:Magic words|magic word]] instead of [[m:Template:!|Template:!]]. [https://tools.wmflabs.org/cleanup/excl-template.php Many wikis] used the template to create a pipe (<code><nowiki>|</nowiki></code>) in tables and templates. You can delete the template. [https://lists.wikimedia.org/pipermail/wikitech-ambassadors/2014-December/001055.html]


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'''Software changes this week'''
* The new version of MediaWiki (<span lang="en" dir="ltr" class="mw-content-ltr">[[mw:MediaWiki 1.25/wmf14|1.25wmf14]]</span>) has been on test wikis and MediaWiki.org since January 7. It will be on non-Wikipedia wikis from January 13. It will be on all Wikipedias from January 14 ([[mw:MediaWiki 1.25/Roadmap|calendar]]).
* A bug in VisualEditor sometimes added a <code>☀</code> (Sun) character. This is now fixed. [https://phabricator.wikimedia.org/T76916]
* The search and replace tool in VisualEditor is now much faster in long pages. [https://phabricator.wikimedia.org/T78234]
* The TemplateData editor now uses the same design as VisualEditor. [https://phabricator.wikimedia.org/T73746] [https://phabricator.wikimedia.org/T73077] [https://phabricator.wikimedia.org/T73078]
* The <code>thumb</code> option is now shown in your language in the help of the classic editor toolbar. [https://phabricator.wikimedia.org/T40831]


{{center|<big>'''Intelligence Bulletin from the Subwave Network'''</big>}}
'''Future changes'''
*''[[The War Between the Land and the Sea]]'' concluded filming on 10 December.
* You can [https://wikimedia.qualtrics.com/SE/?SID=SV_6R04ammTX8uoJFP sign up] to answer questions from designers. It will help them make editing easier. [https://lists.wikimedia.org/pipermail/wikitech-ambassadors/2015-January/001059.html]
*A 90-minute colourised version of ''[[The War Games]]'' aired on 23 December.
*"[[Joy to the World (Doctor Who)|Joy to the World]]" aired on 25 December.
*An animated version of the completely missing First Doctor serial, ''[[The Savages (Doctor Who)|The Savages]]'', is due to be released in March 2025.
*The editorial board of the newsletter is able to exclusively confirm that there will be no Dalek shenanigans for the third consecutive New Year. Polish off those [[Resolution (Doctor Who)|resolutions]], ''don't'' start a [[Revolution of the Daleks|revolution]], and celebrate New Year's [[Eve of the Daleks|Eve]] responsibly.


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What makes it "your" call, then? [[User:Sardanaphalus|Sardanaphalus]] ([[User talk:Sardanaphalus|talk]]) 21:56, 14 January 2015 (UTC)

:Discretionary. The chance of anyone else replying is zero. Redrose has already already expressed that he is ignoring the discussion. And one of my jobs is to prevent discussions from dragging on ''ad infinitum''. The matter is closed, move on. <code style="white-space:nowrap">-- [[[[User:Edokter|<span style="color:#006">User:Edokter</span>]]]] {&#123;[[User talk:Edokter|<span style="color:#060">talk</span>]]&#125;}</code> 22:20, 14 January 2015 (UTC)

:: Where, before your action today{{aside|or on January 7}} did Redrose express his decision to ignore the discussion..? [[User:Sardanaphalus|Sardanaphalus]] ([[User talk:Sardanaphalus|talk]]) 22:48, 14 January 2015 (UTC)

::: {{Diff|User talk:MSGJ|642506451|642495917|Here}}. <code style="white-space:nowrap">-- [[[[User:Edokter|<span style="color:#006">User:Edokter</span>]]]] {&#123;[[User talk:Edokter|<span style="color:#060">talk</span>]]&#125;}</code> 22:53, 14 January 2015 (UTC)

:::: I concur with Edokter. I monitored the discussion, but saw no need to interject. Please [[Wikipedia:Drop the stick and back slowly away from the horse carcass|step away from the horse]]. --<span style="color:Turquoise">''''' &nbsp;[[User:Gadget850|Gadget850]]'''''<sup>[[User talk:Gadget850|&nbsp;''talk'']]</sup></span> 00:14, 15 January 2015 (UTC)

:::: Where, '''''before''''' your action today/yesterday{{aside|or on January 7}} did Redrose express his decision to ignore the discussion..? [[User:Sardanaphalus|Sardanaphalus]] ([[User talk:Sardanaphalus|talk]]) 09:45, 15 January 2015 (UTC)

:::::I already answered that. I you can't bother to check the timestamps, I'm not going to continue this discussion either. <code style="white-space:nowrap">-- [[[[User:Edokter|<span style="color:#006">User:Edokter</span>]]]] {&#123;[[User talk:Edokter|<span style="color:#060">talk</span>]]&#125;}</code> 09:55, 15 January 2015 (UTC)

:::::* I think you'll find that, on both occasions, Redrose had not indicated that he had decided to ignore the discussion before you took your action. It's okay to make a mistake. [[User:Sardanaphalus|Sardanaphalus]] ([[User talk:Sardanaphalus|talk]]) 17:50, 15 January 2015 (UTC)

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Unlike yourself, I acted constructively and removed the Div-col columns. If the formatting available here is losing your straw, please campaign elsewhere to have it removed, not stalk people using it to improve this {{strike|computing project's}} encyclopedia's presentation. [[User:Sardanaphalus|Sardanaphalus]] ([[User talk:Sardanaphalus|talk]]) 23:08, 15 January 2015 (UTC)

== Doctor Who Series 9 - Block One ==


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Hello, my (and many other users) edits to [[Doctor Who (series 9)|this]] Doctor Who page over the past few days have been continuously reverted. It was confirmed last week by ''Doctor Who Magazine'' that Block One of filming consisted of episodes 3 and 4 (I happen to have the magazine myself and know this to be true). This information was fully sourced and nobody seemed to have a problem with it being included in the page. Yet on Wednesday, it was confirmed that Toby Whithouse, Daniel O'Hara and Derek Ritchie would be respectively writing, directing and producing this production block. We know (as stated by the BBC) that the episodes in Block One are written by Whithouse. We know that Block One is episodes 3 and 4 from DWM. Therefore Toby Whithouse is writing episodes 3 and 4. Is there something that I've missed or does this make complete sense? --[[Special:Contributions/86.134.246.132|86.134.246.132]] ([[User talk:86.134.246.132|talk]]) 16:13, 16 January 2015 (UTC)
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:You may want to read [[WP:SYNTH]], which states you cannot take information from two ''different'' sources and combine them to reach a ''new'' conclusion. I don't ahve a copy of DHM at hand so so I tagged ot for confirmation to see if it passes SYNTH. <code style="white-space:nowrap">-- [[[[User:Edokter|<span style="color:#006">User:Edokter</span>]]]] {&#123;[[User talk:Edokter|<span style="color:#060">talk</span>]]&#125;}</code> 21:04, 16 January 2015 (UTC)

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WIkiProject Doctor Who Newsletter: July 2024

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The Space-Time Telegraph
Volume II, Issue I — July 2024
Brought to you by the editors of WikiProject Doctor Who

Okay–ooh. New teeth newsletter. That's weird...

Hello!

Welcome to the first regenerated issue of The Space-Time Telegraph, the official newsletter of WikiProject Doctor Who. We hope it finds you well in your safe travels across the Whoniverse! This newsletter was founded in 2008 and seemed to get lost in the time vortex quite quickly. Thanks to the Doctor dragging Sutekh through the time vortex and bringing life by bringing death to death (yeah... I'm a little confused too), it seems to have regenerated. The writing staff hopes to bring you future editions quarterly.
For this first edition, we have created an updated version of our mailing list that includes any active editors who previously had their usernames included in our participants list. If you do not wish to receive future editions, please remove your name from the mailing list. If you no longer wish to participate in the project, please also remove your name from the participants list.
I think that's enough about the newsletter for now. Let's dive into interesting things happening within the Doctor Who side of Wikipedia. Geronimooooo.....

Big Spike in Productivity

During 2024, the project has scored 8 GAs, 2 FLs and a GT, up from last year's 4 GAs and a GT. Several additional things are in the pipeline, with a bunch of things currently having been nominated with some mix of OlifanofmrTennant, TheDoctorWho, and Pokelego999 having their names attached to them. Allow me to look into the nominees.
  1. Series 14: As of July 18th, every single episode has been sent to GAN, with "Boom", "73 Yards", and "The Devil's Chord" having made it to GA.
  2. 2023 Specials: Early in the year, as part of trying to not lose the WikiCup, Ollie sent "The Star Beast" (still salty about the move) to GAN. It was reviewed by frequent collaborator (fly high) of hers, but failed. She then fixed it up and sent it back where it passed. Later "The Giggle" was expanded and sent to GA, followed shortly by "Wild Blue Yonder". WBY received help by JustAnotherCompanion, a pretty fresh user. This other companion chose not to be listed as co-nom. A page was created for "Destination: Skaro" and quickly got GA status.
  3. The Daleks' Master Plan was also sent to GAN by Rhain. It passed to join Rhain's other First Doctor content, being the fourth season three article to get the green check.
  4. Peter Capaldi: The filmography and newly created awards of Capaldi were both sent to FLC and passed. Capaldi's main page was sent to GA, though due to some minor incompetence on the part of the nominator it was failed.

Proposals to the WikiProject

A recent proposal at Wikipedia talk:WikiProject Doctor Who suggested potential improvements and suggestions for the main page of the project, as well as discussions about the project overall. The proposals are as follows:
  1. The Task Forces section should be removed due to inactivity in the Torchwood Task Force, and a lack of significant interest in creating further Task Forces.
  2. The freenode channel no longer works and should be removed due to most discussion taking place on site.
  3. Due to the low quality of Lungbarrow and Jubilee despite being sample articles, these articles should either be removed as samples or improved. Additionally, the "sample device" has a very small application field, and should be removed from the sample articles section.
  4. An updates infobox should be included, similarly to those used by Wikipedia:VGCHAR.
  5. Radio Times's Doctor Who sections should be included in the references section due to their benefits for the project sourcing wise.
  6. The Deletion Discussion archive should be removed, or have work invested in updating it, due to its lack of updates.

If you feel you have any thoughts or suggestions on these matters, or on any other matters pertaining to the project and its main page, feel free to chime in the ongoing discussion.

Discussions of Note

A move discussion is currently underway on whether or not Doctor Who series 14 should be moved to Doctor Who season 1 (2024). The discussion also involves conversation on a few other adjacent articles. If you have an opinion on the matter please read over the discussion or leave comments.

Contributors

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CfD nomination at Wikipedia:Categories for discussion/Log/2024 August 26 § Multiiple CC BY-SA licenses categories

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A category or categories you have created have been nominated for possible deletion, merging, or renaming. A discussion is taking place to decide whether this proposal complies with the categorization guidelines. If you would like to participate in the discussion, you are invited to add your comments at Wikipedia:Categories for discussion/Log/2024 August 26 § Multiiple CC BY-SA licenses categories on the categories for discussion page. Thank you. HouseBlaster (talk • he/they) 17:52, 26 August 2024 (UTC)[reply]

WIkiProject Doctor Who: September 2024 Newsletter

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The Space-Time Telegraph
Volume II, Issue II — September 2024
Brought to you by the editors of WikiProject Doctor Who

You like Doctor Who? What's his name then?

Welcome

Hello and welcome to the second issue of the new newsletter! Following the success of the first newsletter we are back to write more stuff.

Articles for deletion
Several articles have been nominated for deletion, such as Time War (Doctor Who), and several articles have been deleted, or merged or redirected, especially those relating to books, due to lack of WP:SIGCOV and WP:NBOOK. Editors can always help either by participating in the deletion discussions (which are noted on the project page), adding to such articles, or bringing attention to other such articles through AfD or the WikiProject talk page, to aid in clean-up.

Notice of Draft Articles
A new Doctor Who spin-off was announced at the 2024 San Diego Comic-Con, called The War Between the Land and the Sea, and will feature old and new Whoniverse characters working for UNIT as they battle the Sea Devils. The main space article currently redirects to Whoniverse, but collaboration is currently underway in a draft article. As filming on this miniseries has recently begun, its relocation to the mains space will presumably take place soon per the recommendations laid out at WP:NTV.


There is also a draft article in progress for the upcoming 2024 Christmas special. While this article won't be moved until the episode airs, any new contributions are welcome.

Doctor Who News
A small number of editors have recently raised questions regarding the reliability of Doctor Who News. This website is particularly used for information regarding viewing figures and the Appreciation Index of most episodes as well as some news information. If there is a better source for any information supported by this website, it should be replaced in good faith.


A full consensus on whether or not to remove the information that can't be supported by a different source has not yet been reached. Any editor who has opinions on this matter should contribute to the discussion on the WikiProject talk page.

Continued Progress Towards Good/Featured Content
There has been lots of progress made towards recognized articles in the last two months, related to such diverse categories as series, specials, lists and episodes A sub-page has also been added to the WikiProject, to list any possible goals we can aim towards.

Proposals Regarding the State of Fictional Elements Articles in the WikiProject

Several proposals have been laid out regarding fictional elements in the WikiProject, which includes fictional characters, locations, and more. Due to a concerning quality state regarding the large majority of them, several methods of tackling them in order to improve these articles' quality for the future have been proposed. The primary three proposals are as follows:
1. A priority list should be made to determine what articles are most pressing and in need of improvement in the WikiProject overall. Focus would be put onto important subjects and articles in a state of dubious notability that would make them viable for deletion processes such as AfD.
2. A group of articles is selected for improvement, which are ones deemed most relevant to the WikiProject for the future. Any lesser important subjects can be sidelined and worked on as editors see fit.
3. A long term goal is made to improve all elements. This will come at the caveat of taking significantly longer and requiring more heavy participation than the above two proposals, but would guarantee a slow and steady way to solve the issue.
If any editors are interested in chiming into the conversation and sharing their piece on how this should be handled, or if any editors wish to help with this proposal and improve fictional elements articles, then feel free to share thoughts at the discussion's section on the article's talk page.

Contributors

"I'm not appalled by it" - The New New York Times

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WIkiProject Doctor Who: December 2024 Newsletter

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The Space-Time Telegraph
Volume II, Issue III — December 2024
Brought to you by the editors of WikiProject Doctor Who
Anyone for a Ham and Cheese Toastie and a Pumpkin Latte?

Joy to the Doctor Who WikiProjects

Hello and welcome to the third issue of the new newsletter! A look ahead to the happenings of the WikiProject as we welcome a new year

Continued Improvement of Content

Since the last Newsletter, the articles "Eve of the Daleks", Terror of the Zygons, "The Name of the Doctor", "Silence in the Library", Doctor Who series 2, Mel Bush, Peter Capaldi, "Midnight", "Forest of the Dead", "The Church on Ruby Road", Doctor Who specials (2023), and Doctor Who series 14 have all been promoted to Good Article status. The Good Topic Doctor Who specials (2023) and the Featured Topic Peter Capaldi have also been promoted.
With the amount of articles promoted in the year, we have had our second most productive year of all time, falling just short of beating the record set by 2012. Work is continuing underway on articles Project-wide, and the Good Topic for the revived era nears completion.
Ongoing discussion and goals can be found at WP:WikiProject Doctor Who/Goals and nominees for promoted content here. Feel free to contribute in writing or in reviewing!

Reliable Sources

A discussion on the reliability of CultBox has determined that it should be phased out of use in the WikiProject. This source has been widely used across project articles, especially for information about filming. Concerns that the website is self-published and has poor editorial standards were raised. In some articles, project editors have already begun depreciating the source.
Similar concerns were raised about Doctor Who TV (doctorwho.tv.co.uk). Uses of this source have also been depreciated. This website should NOT be confused with Doctor Who TV (doctorwho.tv), a commercial website published by the Beeb, which is acceptable for use as a primary source.
As discussed in the previous issue, Doctor Who News has been widely phased out where possible. If you have any comments about these sources or any others, please contribute to the discussions on the project talk page.

Novels Being Overhauled

The scrutiny on many of the Doctor's past adventures through print over the years continues in regard to determining their individual notability. Discussions can be found on the WikiProject's talk page, with discussion still well under way in ironing out which articles pass the notability bar.
You can contribute by helping to improve articles of the novels, and other extended media, and bringing attention to the ones that might not.

Project Barnstar

In breaking news, it appears that Torchwood Three has been raided. The resurrection gauntlet has been stolen and used on the WikiProject Doctor Who Barnstar. If you notice exceptional contributions in project areas by any editor, feel free to show them some appreciation by awarding them their very own ✨barnstar✨.
Intelligence Bulletin from the Subwave Network
  • The War Between the Land and the Sea concluded filming on 10 December.
  • A 90-minute colourised version of The War Games aired on 23 December.
  • "Joy to the World" aired on 25 December.
  • An animated version of the completely missing First Doctor serial, The Savages, is due to be released in March 2025.
  • The editorial board of the newsletter is able to exclusively confirm that there will be no Dalek shenanigans for the third consecutive New Year. Polish off those resolutions, don't start a revolution, and celebrate New Year's Eve responsibly.

Contributors

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