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== Kenosha ==

Definitely NOT a suburb of Chicago. The Person Who Is Strange 03:27, 6 April 2007 (UTC)

== Route diagram? ==
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KHSTa~~[[Kenosha (Metra)|Kenosha, Wisconsin]]
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HST~~[[Winthrop Harbor (Metra)|Winthrop Harbor]]
HST~~[[Zion (Metra)|Zion]]
HST~~[[Waukegan (Metra)|Waukegan]]
HST~~[[North Chicago (Metra)|North Chicago]]
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HST~~ ~~[[Great Lakes (Metra)|Great Lakes]]~~(Lake Bluff)
HST~~[[Lake Bluff (Metra)|Lake Bluff]]
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HST~~[[Lake Forest (Metra)|Lake Forest]]
HST~~ ~~[[Fort Sheridan (Metra)|Fort Sheridan]]~~(Highwood)
HST~~[[Highwood (Metra)|Highwood]]
HST~~[[Highland Park (Metra)|Highland Park]]
HST~~ ~~[[Ravinia (Metra)|Ravinia]]~~(Highland Park)
HST~~ ~~[[Ravinia Park (Metra)|Ravinia Park]]~~(Highland Park)
HST~~ ~~[[Braeside (Metra)|Braeside ]]~~(Highland Park)
HST~~[[Glencoe (Metra)|Glencoe]]
HST~~ ~~[[Hubbard Woods (Metra)|Hubbard Woods]]~~(Winnetka)
HST~~[[Winnetka (Metra)| Winnetka]]
HST~~ ~~[[Indian Hill (Metra)| Indian Hill]]~~(Winnetka)
HST~~[[Kenilworth (Metra)| Kenilworth]]
HST~~[[Wilmette (Metra)| Wilmette]]
HST~~ ~~[[Evanston Central Street (Metra)| Central Street]]~~(Evanston)
hKRZWae~~ ~~ ~~North Shore channel
HST~~ ~~[[Evanston Davis Street (Metra)| Davis Street]]~~(Evanston)
HST~~ ~~[[Evanston Main Street (Metra)| Main Street]]~~(Evanston)
HST~~ ~~[[Rogers Park (Metra)| Rogers Park]]~~(Chicago)
HST~~ ~~[[Ravenswood (Metra)| Ravenswood]]~~(Chicago)
hKRZWae~~ ~~ ~~[[Chicago River]] (north branch)
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HST~~ ~~[[Clybourn (Metra)| Clybourn]]~~(Chicago)
ABZg+r~~ ~~ ~~[[Union Pacific/West Line]] (to Elburn)
KRZo~~ ~~ ~~[[Metra]] (lines to/from Union Station)
mKRZu~~ ~~ ~~[[Chicago 'L']] (Green and Pink lines)
KBHFe~~ ~~[[Ogilvie Transportation Center]]~~(Chicago)
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I'm wondering about replacing the station stops list with a [[Wikipedia:Route diagram template|Route diagram]] (right). Any thoughts? —[[User:JeremyA|Jeremy]] <small>([[User talk:JeremyA|talk]])</small> 00:05, 20 August 2007 (UTC)

: I like it. Does this particular template have an east-west version, also? [[User:Gws57|Gws57]] 19:08, 20 August 2007 (UTC)

: Me too. That looks great and would be a great addition to all the Metra articles. [[User:MKoltnow|MKoltnow]] 22:28, 20 August 2007 (UTC)

::AFAIK there is only the vertical format, but it can also be used on east-west lines. See [[Great Western Main Line]], for an example. —[[User:JeremyA|Jeremy]] <small>([[User talk:JeremyA|talk]])</small> 19:36, 20 August 2007 (UTC)

Thanks for the feedback. The main reason that I haven't just been bold and added this to the article is that I can't find a way for it to fit nicely—in particular it clashes badly with {{template|Metra Line Index}}. Is there somewhere for wider discussion on the format of Metra line articles? If it were seen as desirable to use the route diagram in all of the articles on Metra lines then we could alter the 'line index' template so that the two would play nicely with each other. —[[User:JeremyA|Jeremy]] <small>([[User talk:JeremyA|talk]])</small> 02:17, 21 August 2007 (UTC)

: Okay, I really don't know what I'm doing with it, but it seems like you might be able to put an "align left" into it, put it into the text of the article, and wouldn't have to worry about how it meshes with the Chicago Commuter Lines infobox. I also was able to use the "Metra colors" from that infobox to bring continuity to the route diagram template. But I really don't know what I'm doing, so I don't know if it'll work as I've described. [[User:Gws57|Gws57]] 17:40, 21 August 2007 (UTC)


===New Problem===
I'll say this; the existing route line map needs a correction. Instead of linking to [[Lake Forest (Metra)]] station, it should link to [[Lake Forest (Metra Union Pacific/North)]] station. Somebody told me how to correct mistakes like this on the [[BNSF Railway Line]] talk page, but I forgot what they told me to do. ----[[User:DanTD|DanTD]] ([[User talk:DanTD|talk]]) 04:51, 12 February 2008 (UTC)

:Fixed. The template is at [[:Template:Union Pacific/North Line]]. —[[User:JeremyA|Jeremy]] <small>([[User talk:JeremyA|talk]])</small> 04:53, 12 February 2008 (UTC)

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== Old names ==

I want to make sure I've got this right. The physical infrastructure of this route was known as the Old Line Subdivision under CNW ownership in the 1960s.<ref>http://www.multimodalways.org/docs/railroads/companies/C&NW/C&NW%20ETTs/C&NW%20Wisconsin%20Div%20ETT%20%235%205-16-1966.pdf</ref> It was later called the Kenosha Subdivision under both the CNW and later the Union Pacific.<ref>http://www.multimodalways.org/docs/railroads/companies/C&NW/C&NW%20ETTs/C&NW%20ETT%20%2313%204-10-1994.pdf</ref><ref>https://books.google.com/books?id=BOfUBAAAQBAJ&pg=PA169&lpg=PA169&dq=%22kenosha+subdivision%22+milwaukee&source=bl&ots=d8Y_A1CIWM&sig=HOzbCSvUhz8EdWaOZbcZSRhrH3E&hl=en&sa=X&ved=2ahUKEwjE4pC96MDfAhWGm1kKHd_ZBBk4ChDoATACegQICRAB#v=onepage&q=%22kenosha%20subdivision%22%20milwaukee&f=false</ref> Per [https://www.trainorders.com/discussion/read.php?1,3792528,nodelay=1 this forum discussion] (not suitable as a reference), CNW-operated suburban services over this route were at least at one time referred to as "Milwaukee Division Suburban", but this term never applied to the infrastructure itself? [[User:Mackensen|Mackensen]] [[User_talk:Mackensen|(talk)]] 20:19, 27 December 2018 (UTC)

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== Station list (counties) ==

I added a column to the station list showing what counties each station is in. If a higher-up could give feedback before I consider doing this to the other ten lines, I would appreciate it. The edit was made in good faith but I would feel guilty making a similar edit 11 times for it to be unwanted. Thank you! [[Special:Contributions/73.120.249.81|73.120.249.81]] ([[User talk:73.120.249.81|talk]]) 20:42, 28 April 2022 (UTC)

== Use table ==

The following would be more readable if made into a table:
<blockquote>
35 trains in each direction on weekdays. Of these, six inbound trains originate from [[Kenosha station|Kenosha]], 17 from [[Waukegan station|Waukegan]], six from [[Highland Park station (Illinois)|Highland Park]], and six from [[Winnetka station|Winnetka]]. Seven outbound trains terminate at Winnetka, five at Highland Park, 17 at Waukegan, and six at Kenosha.

13 trains operate in each direction on Saturdays. Of these, five inbound trains originate from Kenosha and eight from Waukegan. Six outbound trains terminate at Waukegan and seven at Kenosha.

Nine trains operate in each direction on Sundays. Of these, three inbound trains originate from Kenosha and six from Waukegan. Six outbound trains terminate at Waukegan and three at Kenosha.
</blockquote>
[[User:Jidanni|Jidanni]] ([[User talk:Jidanni|talk]]) 18:52, 20 October 2022 (UTC)

== Platform 1, Platform 2 ==

Mention that at most stations, the "From Chicago" platform is also called Platform 1, and the "To Chicago" platform is also called Platform 2. [https://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/File:Main_Street_Station_(14470023899).jpg] [[User:Jidanni|Jidanni]] ([[User talk:Jidanni|talk]]) 19:05, 20 October 2022 (UTC)

=== Track 1, Track 2===
Also mention that personnel internally also refer to the corresponding tracks likewise! [[User:Jidanni|Jidanni]] ([[User talk:Jidanni|talk]]) 19:06, 20 October 2022 (UTC)

== Direction opposite of cars ==

Mention that the To Chicago trains run on the east track, and From Chicago trains on the west track. Else readers will assume they act like US automobiles, instead of UK. [[User:Jidanni|Jidanni]] ([[User talk:Jidanni|talk]]) 19:38, 20 October 2022 (UTC)
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Kenosha

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Definitely NOT a suburb of Chicago. The Person Who Is Strange 03:27, 6 April 2007 (UTC)

Route diagram?

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Union Pacific/North Line
Kenosha, Wisconsin
Wisconsin/Illinois
Winthrop Harbor
Zion
Waukegan
North Chicago
Great Lakes
(Lake Bluff)
Lake Bluff
Lake Forest
Fort Sheridan
(Highwood)
Highwood
Highland Park
Ravinia
(Highland Park)
Ravinia Park
(Highland Park)
Braeside
(Highland Park)
Glencoe
Hubbard Woods
(Winnetka)
Winnetka
Indian Hill
(Winnetka)
Kenilworth
Wilmette
Central Street
(Evanston)
North Shore channel
Davis Street
(Evanston)
Main Street
(Evanston)
Rogers Park
(Chicago)
Ravenswood
(Chicago)
Chicago River (north branch)
Union Pacific/Northwest Line (to Harvard/McHenry)
Clybourn
(Chicago)
Metra (lines to/from Union Station)
Chicago 'L' (Green and Pink lines)
Ogilvie Transportation Center
(Chicago)

I'm wondering about replacing the station stops list with a Route diagram (right). Any thoughts? —Jeremy (talk) 00:05, 20 August 2007 (UTC)[reply]

I like it. Does this particular template have an east-west version, also? Gws57 19:08, 20 August 2007 (UTC)[reply]
Me too. That looks great and would be a great addition to all the Metra articles. MKoltnow 22:28, 20 August 2007 (UTC)[reply]
AFAIK there is only the vertical format, but it can also be used on east-west lines. See Great Western Main Line, for an example. —Jeremy (talk) 19:36, 20 August 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Thanks for the feedback. The main reason that I haven't just been bold and added this to the article is that I can't find a way for it to fit nicely—in particular it clashes badly with {{Metra Line Index}}. Is there somewhere for wider discussion on the format of Metra line articles? If it were seen as desirable to use the route diagram in all of the articles on Metra lines then we could alter the 'line index' template so that the two would play nicely with each other. —Jeremy (talk) 02:17, 21 August 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Okay, I really don't know what I'm doing with it, but it seems like you might be able to put an "align left" into it, put it into the text of the article, and wouldn't have to worry about how it meshes with the Chicago Commuter Lines infobox. I also was able to use the "Metra colors" from that infobox to bring continuity to the route diagram template. But I really don't know what I'm doing, so I don't know if it'll work as I've described. Gws57 17:40, 21 August 2007 (UTC)[reply]


New Problem

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I'll say this; the existing route line map needs a correction. Instead of linking to Lake Forest (Metra) station, it should link to Lake Forest (Metra Union Pacific/North) station. Somebody told me how to correct mistakes like this on the BNSF Railway Line talk page, but I forgot what they told me to do. ----DanTD (talk) 04:51, 12 February 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Fixed. The template is at Template:Union Pacific/North Line. —Jeremy (talk) 04:53, 12 February 2008 (UTC)[reply]
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Old names

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I want to make sure I've got this right. The physical infrastructure of this route was known as the Old Line Subdivision under CNW ownership in the 1960s.[1] It was later called the Kenosha Subdivision under both the CNW and later the Union Pacific.[2][3] Per this forum discussion (not suitable as a reference), CNW-operated suburban services over this route were at least at one time referred to as "Milwaukee Division Suburban", but this term never applied to the infrastructure itself? Mackensen (talk) 20:19, 27 December 2018 (UTC)[reply]

References

Station list (counties)

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I added a column to the station list showing what counties each station is in. If a higher-up could give feedback before I consider doing this to the other ten lines, I would appreciate it. The edit was made in good faith but I would feel guilty making a similar edit 11 times for it to be unwanted. Thank you! 73.120.249.81 (talk) 20:42, 28 April 2022 (UTC)[reply]

Use table

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The following would be more readable if made into a table:

35 trains in each direction on weekdays. Of these, six inbound trains originate from Kenosha, 17 from Waukegan, six from Highland Park, and six from Winnetka. Seven outbound trains terminate at Winnetka, five at Highland Park, 17 at Waukegan, and six at Kenosha.

13 trains operate in each direction on Saturdays. Of these, five inbound trains originate from Kenosha and eight from Waukegan. Six outbound trains terminate at Waukegan and seven at Kenosha.

Nine trains operate in each direction on Sundays. Of these, three inbound trains originate from Kenosha and six from Waukegan. Six outbound trains terminate at Waukegan and three at Kenosha.

Jidanni (talk) 18:52, 20 October 2022 (UTC)[reply]

Platform 1, Platform 2

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Mention that at most stations, the "From Chicago" platform is also called Platform 1, and the "To Chicago" platform is also called Platform 2. [1] Jidanni (talk) 19:05, 20 October 2022 (UTC)[reply]

Track 1, Track 2

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Also mention that personnel internally also refer to the corresponding tracks likewise! Jidanni (talk) 19:06, 20 October 2022 (UTC)[reply]

Direction opposite of cars

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Mention that the To Chicago trains run on the east track, and From Chicago trains on the west track. Else readers will assume they act like US automobiles, instead of UK. Jidanni (talk) 19:38, 20 October 2022 (UTC)[reply]

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