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== MMO measurement conversions do not match ==
==USPS==
The USPS does not own any aircraft and has not for many years.
:So any aircraft depicted with USPS livery are leased from GECAS or ILFC or the like?00:17, 18 August 2008 (UTC)

== High sink rate accidents and "Pilot's Airliner"==

I'm a bit surprised at your enthusiasm for reverting these additions. With a few hours work I'm sure I can come up with some cites, but is it really worth it? What I stated is and has been known by professional pilots for 30 years and, IMHO scarcely qualifies as original research on my part. <small>—Preceding [[Wikipedia:Signatures|unsigned]] comment added by [[User:Grumpyoldgeek|Grumpyoldgeek]] ([[User talk:Grumpyoldgeek|talk]] • [[Special:Contributions/Grumpyoldgeek|contribs]]) 18:38, 11 June 2008 (UTC)</small><!-- Template:Unsigned --> <!--Autosigned by SineBot-->
:[[Wikipedia:No original research]], sorry! <small>—<font face="Trebuchet MS">'''[[User:Reedy|<font color="darkred">Ree</font>]][[User talk:Reedy|<font color="darkred">dy</font>]]'''</font></small> 19:43, 11 June 2008 (UTC)

Read what I said.[[User:Grumpyoldgeek|Grumpyoldgeek]] ([[User talk:Grumpyoldgeek|talk]]) 02:04, 12 June 2008 (UTC)

:''has been known by ..'' sounds like original research. You need to ensure that the information comes from a [[WP:RS|reliable source]] and also is [[WP:NOTABILITY|notable]] enough for inclusion. [[Special:Contributions/192.54.144.229|192.54.144.229]] ([[User talk:192.54.144.229|talk]]) 11:54, 12 June 2008 (UTC)

Here is a thread on a professional pilot's forum that I initiated to discuss the issue. Please advise if and how this can be incorporated into the B727 page.

[http://www.pprune.org/forums/tech-log/334159-727-early-high-sink-rate-crashes.html pprune.org B727 sinkrate accident discussion] [[User:Grumpyoldgeek|Grumpyoldgeek]] ([[User talk:Grumpyoldgeek|talk]]) 00:06, 14 July 2008 (UTC)

: That site requires log in to view. Sorry, forum pages are not considered [[Wikipedia:Reliable sources|reliable sources]] anyway. I did internet searches for 727 and pilot's airliner and could not find anything. See if you can find a reliable book or article that states the 727 is pilot friendly or something along those lines. -[[User:Fnlayson|Fnlayson]] ([[User talk:Fnlayson|talk]]) 01:06, 14 July 2008 (UTC)

:: I guess we have a dilemma. There are no "reliable sources" that I can find, yet there is a rich and colorful story here. The plane was nearly grounded because of 5 fatal crashes in the first 6 months of introduction, yet there's no mention on the wiki page. If you are really interested in a full and accurate description of the aircraft, this part of its history needs to be told. The fact that there is not a reliable source doesn't change the history. The login for pprune is trivial to do. If you or anyone else are serious about researching this, contact me at jstewart@jkmicro.com and I'll get you a username and password to the forum. [[Special:Contributions/168.150.253.55|168.150.253.55]] ([[User talk:168.150.253.55|talk]]) 01:52, 14 July 2008 (UTC)

:::A forum is fine for personal enrichment, but it's content is not allowable on Wikipedia. We're not making this up - it's Wikipedia policy! If it's a story that needs telling, write a book, get it published by a reputable publisher, then we can cite it. Alternativley, contact an aerospace or aviation magazine, and if they do an article on the story, then we can use that. Sounds like the kind of story ''Air & Space Smithsonian'' likes to publish, but there are other magazines out there too that might be interested.

As far as 5 fatal crashes in the first six months, it might take some work to find them, but I'm sure there were stories written in newspapers or magazines at that time. They would be fine to source the accidents and investigations, and a number of publishers have online archives going back pretty far, so it might not be that dificult to do.
- [[User:BillCJ|BillCJ]] ([[User talk:BillCJ|talk]]) 04:00, 14 July 2008 (UTC)

: I looked through a couple of my books. The closet thing I can find to "pilot's airliner" is "The 727-200 remains popular with passengers and pilots ..." from The International Directory of Civil Aircraft [http://www.airliners.net/aircraft-data/stats.main?id=90 copy here]. That's not quite the same thing. I added an Incidents and accident summary like on the Boeing 737, 767 and other airliner pages. -[[User:Fnlayson|Fnlayson]] ([[User talk:Fnlayson|talk]]) 04:28, 14 July 2008 (UTC)

::I did not realize the article didn't ''have'' an "Incidents and accident"! That certainly can be expanded, and there may already be some accident articles about 727 accidents on WP which can easily be summarized. Also, there are Wikipedians who are experienced in researching FAA accident databases and other sources who would probably be willing to help out. I'm sorry that I didn't realize there were ''no'' accidents covered at all! They do still need proper sources, but that should be relatively easy to fix. - [[User:BillCJ|BillCJ]] ([[User talk:BillCJ|talk]]) 05:10, 14 July 2008 (UTC)

::It didn't seem right to me that this article doesn't have a Accident section for such a notable aircraft, so I checked the Article History, and I found it! Per [http://en.wikipedia.org/enwiki/w/index.php?title=Boeing_727&diff=next&oldid=208445607 this diff], it looks liek I accidently lost the section while attempting to undo some vandalism! Anyway, I've restored it mostly whole, but there are items that need to be sourced. I also cut back the lengthy Salt Lake City 1965 accident, as it has its own article. - [[User:BillCJ|BillCJ]] ([[User talk:BillCJ|talk]]) 05:31, 14 July 2008 (UTC)

For what it is worth at this late date, here are the first 5 crashes of 727s:

1965

*August 16 – United Airlines Flight 389, a Boeing 727, crashes into Lake Michigan at night, after the pilots apparently misread their altimeters; all 24 passengers and six crew perish in the first fatal crash of the Boeing 727.

*November 8 – American Airlines Flight 383, a Boeing 727, crashes while on approach to Greater Cincinnati airport; of the 62 people on board, one flight attendant and three passengers survive.

*November 11 – United Airlines Flight 227, a Boeing 727, crashes short of the runway during landing at Salt Lake City International Airport, Utah; 43 of 91 aboard are killed.

1966

*February 4 – All Nippon Airways Flight 60, a Boeing 727-100, crashes into Tokyo Bay, Japan; all 133 aboard are killed in Japan's worst air disaster at that time.

*November 15 – Pan Am Flight 708, a Boeing 727, crashes near Berlin, Germany; all three crew members are killed.

Note that the time spread is about 15 months, not 6 months as speculated above. [[Special:Contributions/65.37.66.238|65.37.66.238]] ([[User talk:65.37.66.238|talk]]) 09:51, 18 November 2010 (UTC)

:True but potentially misleading.....4 out the 5 were within a 6 month framework. The Number of incidents should be questioned rather than the date range. And "speculated" is both inaccurate and potentially insulting. [[Special:Contributions/122.107.58.27|122.107.58.27]] ([[User talk:122.107.58.27|talk]]) 01:16, 10 January 2011 (UTC)

== Military usage in Colombia ==

The Boeing 727 is used as a cargo plane by the [[Colombian Air Force]] can someone correct the military operators? <small>—Preceding [[Wikipedia:Signatures|unsigned]] comment added by [[Special:Contributions/200.118.135.111|200.118.135.111]] ([[User talk:200.118.135.111|talk]]) 13:52, 2 July 2008 (UTC)</small><!-- Template:UnsignedIP --> <!--Autosigned by SineBot-->
: There needs to be a valid reference supporting that, such as a Colombian Air Force page listing the Boeing 727. -[[User:Fnlayson|Fnlayson]] ([[User talk:Fnlayson|talk]]) 14:04, 2 July 2008 (UTC)
: Colombian Air Force ([[SATENA]]) 727s have been withdrawn from use or scrapped (FAC1145 727-95F #19393, FAC1246 727-95F #19595, FAC1247 727-2B7 #20303). [[User:MilborneOne|MilborneOne]] ([[User talk:MilborneOne|talk]]) 16:45, 2 July 2008 (UTC)

== Max. Tank Capacity in Litres? ==

How many liters is 100.000 lb jet fuel? <small>—Preceding [[Wikipedia:Signatures|unsigned]] comment added by [[Special:Contributions/87.97.50.196|87.97.50.196]] ([[User talk:87.97.50.196|talk]]) 21:43, 8 September 2008 (UTC)</small><!-- Template:UnsignedIP --> <!--Autosigned by SineBot-->

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== Rough Airstrip Use ==

Added a paragraph under Operational History about the 727's use on rough air strips (using First Air as an example). Not sure where the best place to put this, but the high mounted engines do make the aircraft a good candidate for gravel and/or ice runways. I have flown the flight from YRB to YOW myself, and know that First Air continues to use the aircraft on this route. Hans Johnson [[Special:Contributions/194.137.210.183|194.137.210.183]] ([[User talk:194.137.210.183|talk]]) 19:59, 7 February 2009 (UTC)

== Passenger capasity ==

The article does not state the passenger capasity of the aeroplane. This should be added by someone who knows it. [[User:Hkultala|Hkultala]] ([[User talk:Hkultala|talk]])
. <small><span class="autosigned">—Preceding [[Wikipedia:Signatures|unsigned]] comment added by [[User:Hkultala|Hkultala]] ([[User talk:Hkultala|talk]] • [[Special:Contributions/Hkultala|contribs]]) 18:32, 22 June 2009 (UTC)</span></small><!-- Template:Unsigned --> <!--Autosigned by SineBot-->

:Have you looked in the specification section under ''Max seating capacity'' ? [[User:MilborneOne|MilborneOne]] ([[User talk:MilborneOne|talk]]) 19:03, 22 June 2009 (UTC)

::Ok, seems to be there.. tried to search with a word "passenger". [[User:Hkultala|Hkultala]] ([[User talk:Hkultala|talk]]) 22:25, 22 June 2009 (UTC)

== MTSU 727 ==

I'm curious whether or not anyone things that it is worth mention that Middle Tenn state university has a 727 that was donated by Fedex to the aerospace program. Reg N117FE. It however is stuck at Murfreesboro mun airport. I've been told that that for 2 reasons 1st the runway is too short and that the plane exceedes the max weight that they belie the runway and taxiways can support --[[User:T18|T18]] ([[User talk:T18|talk]]) 15:38, 21 August 2009 (UTC)

: What use did/does MTSU plan for this Boeing 727; for exhibit, training, or other? The part about it being stuck at the airport is too detailed for this article. Maybe for [[Middle Tennessee State University]] though with a proper reference. -[[User:Fnlayson|Fnlayson]] ([[User talk:Fnlayson|talk]]) 15:54, 21 August 2009 (UTC)

:As far as i know its used for exhibt and i've heard the maintance program uses it in some way.--[[User:T18|T18]] ([[User talk:T18|talk]]) 21:50, 21 August 2009 (UTC)

:: The aircraft is mentioned in the MTSU wiki article. An entry on it could go in an Aircraft on display section. The college got it in 2002 and at that time planned it for training use according to [http://www.mtsu.edu/cbas/newsletters/may02_newsletter.pdf newsletter] and [http://frank.mtsu.edu/~proffice/Record/Rec_v10/rec1022/body.html record]. -[[User:Fnlayson|Fnlayson]] ([[User talk:Fnlayson|talk]]) 23:41, 21 August 2009 (UTC)

== Suggest combining two parts of article ==

It seems to me that the second paragraph under "Noise" and the last paragraph under "Operational history" say largely the same thing. Since both paragraphs concern the reasons for the aircraft's retirement, I think they should be combined under "Operational history". Thoughts? [[User:Carguychris|Carguychris]] ([[User talk:Carguychris|talk]]) 18:21, 26 February 2010 (UTC)

: Good point. I moved the 2nd paragraph in the Noise section down to the Operational history section. Rework/combine them if want. Thanks. -[[User:Fnlayson|Fnlayson]] ([[User talk:Fnlayson|talk]]) 18:36, 26 February 2010 (UTC)

== 727 operators list ==
[[US Airways]] used to use a large number of both 727 100's and 727 200's, back when they were called both Allegany Airlines, and US Air. I believe that Mohawk Airlines also used the 727, prior to being purchased by Allegany. I've personally flown on them many times as a child! They were a very good plane for what they were intended - a short haul, low occupancy plane. <small><span class="autosigned">—&nbsp;Preceding [[Wikipedia:Signatures|unsigned]] comment added by [[User:DansNowHere|DansNowHere]] ([[User talk:DansNowHere|talk]] • [[Special:Contributions/DansNowHere|contribs]]) 03:44, 24 July 2014 (UTC)</span></small><!-- Template:Unsigned --> <!--Autosigned by SineBot-->

An IP user added comments to the civil operators list based on other wikipedia articles [http://en.wikipedia.org/enwiki/w/index.php?title=Boeing_727&action=historysubmit&diff=349525845&oldid=349513173 here]. I reverted this edit as other wiki pages are not [[WP:Identifying reliable sources|reliable sources]]. Also, I don't think this was needed as sentence states August 2009, matching the Flight International reference. -[[User:Fnlayson|Fnlayson]] ([[User talk:Fnlayson|talk]]) 19:13, 13 March 2010 (UTC)

[[Midwest Airlines]] is listed as a user of several 727's. AFAIK (and according to the Wiki article on the airline) Midwest never operated 727's. They did have a fleet of 717's however.[[User:N9jig|N9jig]] ([[User talk:N9jig|talk]]) 01:23, 15 March 2010 (UTC)

Kalitta Charters II does operate a fleet of (5) 727-200 aircraft in an all cargo configuration. The webpage states 3 but is out of date.
http://www.kalittacharters.com/urgent.htm
<small><span class="autosigned">—Preceding [[Wikipedia:Signatures|unsigned]] comment added by [[User:727driver|727driver]] ([[User talk:727driver|talk]] • [[Special:Contributions/727driver|contribs]]) 23 May 2010</span></small><!-- Template:Unsigned -->
:How do you know it's out of date? &mdash;[[User:Compdude123|Comp]][[User talk:Compdude123|<font color="green">dude</font>]]<sup>[[Special:Contributions/Compdude123|123]]</sup> 06:42, 8 March 2012 (UTC)


https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Boeing_727#Specifications
== Accidents and incidents ==


Current: Mach 0.9 (961 km/h; 519 kn)
How do they compare with other models? [[Special:Contributions/67.243.7.240|67.243.7.240]] ([[User talk:67.243.7.240|talk]]) 00:45, 3 October 2010 (UTC)


Mach 0.9 = 1111 km/h, 600 kn
== Merger proposal ==
{{discussion top|1=The result of this discussion was to merge [[User:Kyteto|Kyteto]] ([[User talk:Kyteto|talk]]) 13:56, 28 April 2012 (UTC)}}
I propose that the C-22 article be merged with this article, as the C-22s were virtually stock 727s with little modification and the subject could be adequately covered at Boeing 727, improving that article.[[User:Petebutt|Petebutt]] ([[User talk:Petebutt|talk]]) 04:50, 8 March 2012 (UTC)
* '''Agree''' &mdash;[[User:Compdude123|Comp]][[User talk:Compdude123|<font color="green">dude</font>]]<sup>[[Special:Contributions/Compdude123|123]]</sup> 06:42, 8 March 2012 (UTC)
* '''Support''' - The C-22 was used as a transport with no major changes from 727. -[[User:Fnlayson|Fnlayson]] ([[User talk:Fnlayson|talk]]) 20:31, 22 April 2012 (UTC)
* '''Support''' - Without significant modification, the C-22 should be simply covered in the Operational History of the 727 article, there's no need for a small subarticle with little to no prospect of growth. [[User:Kyteto|Kyteto]] ([[User talk:Kyteto|talk]]) 20:55, 22 April 2012 (UTC)
{{discussion bottom}}


961 km/h = Mach 0.78, 519 kn
== Orders and deliveries ==


519 kn = Mach 0.78, 961 km/h
Ihave removed this table as there is already a graph there
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!'''<font style="color:#fff;>&nbsp;1983&nbsp;'''
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!'''<font style="color:#fff;>&nbsp;1979&nbsp;'''
!'''<font style="color:#fff;>&nbsp;1978&nbsp;'''
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!'''<font style="color:#fff;>&nbsp;1963&nbsp;'''
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!'''<font style="color:#fff;>&nbsp;1984&nbsp;'''
!'''<font style="color:#fff;>&nbsp;1983&nbsp;'''
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One or the other but not both![[User:Petebutt|Petebutt]] ([[User talk:Petebutt|talk]]) 09:48, 8 March 2012 (UTC)


[[User:AbigailPhoenix|AbigailPhoenix]] ([[User talk:AbigailPhoenix|talk]]) 01:29, 22 June 2021 (UTC)
== Split hull-loss occurrences ==


Someone added a split tag to the Accidents and incidents section in this article. This seems like a reasonable suggestion given the numerous accident entries in the article. -[[User:Fnlayson|Fnlayson]] ([[User talk:Fnlayson|talk]]) 18:40, 22 April 2012 (UTC)
: [[Mach number]] conversions varies with temperature, and thus with altitude. If the conditions are not specified in the ref, it's best to avoid. It's an operating limit anyway, not a speed.--[[User:Marc Lacoste|Marc Lacoste]] ([[User talk:Marc Lacoste|talk]]) 05:24, 22 June 2021 (UTC)
::Okay! Thanks for the clarification :)
:Agree but [[List of accidents and incidents involving the Boeing 727]] would be more in keeping with similar articles. [[User:MilborneOne|MilborneOne]] ([[User talk:MilborneOne|talk]]) 20:47, 22 April 2012 (UTC)
:* or just [[List of accidents involving the Boeing 727]]. No real need to list incidents, imo. -[[User:Fnlayson|Fnlayson]] ([[User talk:Fnlayson|talk]]) 15:43, 28 April 2012 (UTC)
::[[User:AbigailPhoenix|AbigailPhoenix]] ([[User talk:AbigailPhoenix|talk]]) 06:14, 22 June 2021 (UTC)


== Cruise speed ==
== Changing the Main Picture ==


I think we should change the main picture from a -200 variant to the -100 to give new readers a intro to the -100 then progress up to the -200. [[User:Lol78231469|Lol78231469]] ([[User talk:Lol78231469|talk]]) 02:27, 29 April 2022 (UTC)
The [[Boeing_727#Specifications|specs section]] says the maximum cruise speed is "Mach 0.9 (685.1 mph)" and typical cruise "599 mph (521 kn)". As a fairly minor point, the units there should be consistent. More significantly, the quoted 685mph seems extremely high. Compare, for example, the maximum speed of the 747-400 series, [[Boeing_747#Specifications|quoted]] as "Mach 0.92 (614 mph [...])" — a higher [[Mach number]] but lower speed in mph. Strictly speaking, Mach number of a particular speed depends on air temperature so it is technically possible that these figures are both correct, if they refer to different temperatures. But the claim of 685.1mph seems implausibly fast: I had a quick look through the current offerings by Boeing and Airbus and none of them quotes a maximum cruise speed higher than that figure of 614mph. [[User:Dricherby|Dricherby]] ([[User talk:Dricherby|talk]]) 18:55, 20 September 2012 (UTC)


: But the -200 is way more common, with {{#expr:(1245+15)/18.31round0}}% against {{#expr:(407+164)/18.31round0}}%. Also, please read the [[Talk:Boeing_727/Archive_2#Main_pic_change|last discussion on the subject]], a good deal of thought and work has been poured in the current one. And if you want another picture, please propose one. Thanks!--[[User:Marc Lacoste|Marc Lacoste]] ([[User talk:Marc Lacoste|talk]]) 04:27, 29 April 2022 (UTC)
== Boeing 727 date of First flight versus date of Introduction ==


== New Info ==
The first flight of Boeing 727 was recorded in Wiki on 9th Feb 1963 whilst the introduction of Boeing 727 with the Eastern Airlines was recorded as in Feb 1964.
Is this normal i.e. the first flight was to fly to wherever the Eastern Airlines was domiciled and that took a good 300+ calendar days?


I would like to add some random pop-culture information to the article but it seems the lead is not the right place to place it. It also seems that there is no "In Media" section but (Witch makes sense given there is not much media around this plane.) and I am Strongly against adding a whole new section to the article. Does anyone know where I can add some random Pop-Culture information?
An explanation would be appreciated.
[[User:Winniechui|Winniechui]] ([[User talk:Winniechui|talk]]) 04:41, 8 April 2014 (UTC)


PS:I have citations/sources ready if the edit is ever made. [[User:Liminality10101|Liminality10101]] ([[User talk:Liminality10101|talk]]) 23:52, 9 March 2023 (UTC)
:"Introduction" means when the aircraft began service, in this case with Eastern Airlines. The 300+ dayes were spent in test flights, and achieving certification with the FAA. - [[User:BilCat|BilCat]] ([[User talk:BilCat|talk]]) 08:09, 8 April 2014 (UTC)


: The lead section is indeed inappropriate. You can try adding a new "in media" section, but if the tidbits are unimportant (refs or not) it can be deleted.--[[User:Marc Lacoste|Marc Lacoste]] ([[User talk:Marc Lacoste|talk]]) 10:55, 10 March 2023 (UTC)
== B727 with RATO ==
:: The DB Cooper incident is already covered in the linked [[List of accidents and incidents involving the Boeing 727]] and is not particularly significant from the point of view of the history of the boeing 727 - the album cover is pure trivia.[[User:Nigel Ish|Nigel Ish]] ([[User talk:Nigel Ish|talk]]) 13:55, 10 March 2023 (UTC)


== Boeing 727-46 ==
This [https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=G7LErwBNobU YT video] shows a Mexicana B727 fitted with RATO. There were only 12 727-200s that were built with the JATO provision and they were actually the more powerful 727-200 Advanced versions. Mexicana was in a unique position of serving several high-altitude airports in its network where the 727-200 as built would have been payload restricted to account for the possibility of the loss of one of the three engines at takeoff. Mexicana took delivery of twelve 727-200s that got around this limitation by having a JATO installation in the lower aft fuselage just behind the wings. These aircraft could be identified by having a shallow dorsal fairing ahead of the #2 intake that accommodated some of the rerouted avionics and air conditioning ducting that was displaced by the JATO provision. Without the JATO, the aircraft would have to be payload restricted to account for the need to reach a safe altitude in the event of an engine loss after committing to takeoff. By having the JATO provision, Mexicana could operate its 727-200s at full payload. In the event of a loss of engine at past V1, the JATO unit would fire and allow the heavily-laden jet to reach a safe altitude and get aerodynamically cleaned up. (unashamedly pinched from [http://www.pprune.org/jet-blast/557059-b-727-jato.html PPRuNe])[[User:Kitbag|Kitbag]] ([[User talk:Kitbag|talk]]) 10:22, 24 February 2015 (UTC)


The article states: "The 727-46 was a shortened variant of the 727." I do not think this is correct. The 727-46 looks identical in dimensions to the 727-100. The 727-46 does have additional rear exits similar to the 727-200. This was to satisfy the high-density requirements of Japan Airlines (Boeing customer code "46"). Some of these were sold to Dan-Air, where they were fitted with 153 seats, more than the exit limit of the standard 727-100.
== Use of a retired of a 727 ==
https://www.key.aero/article/dan-airs-trijet-boeings [[User:Meh130|Meh130]] ([[User talk:Meh130|talk]]) 16:16, 18 January 2024 (UTC)


:Entry removed as it was unsourced. Accident reports involving the -46 report 140+ passenger casualties and aircraft weights the same as the -100. Limited searches of Jane's directories came up blank for the -46 being a major variant or even being mentioned. [[User:Nimbus227|Nimbus]] [[User talk:Nimbus227|<span style="color:#2F4F4F;">(Cumulus</span> <span style="color:#708090;">nimbus</span> <span style="color:#D3D3D3;">floats by)</span>]] 18:20, 18 January 2024 (UTC)
FedEx donated one of its planes for use as an aircraft emergency training facility at Albany International Airport. I'm not sure this is notable enough for the article, but I thought it was interesting enough to share. http://www.timesunion.com/tuplus-local/article/Albany-airport-applies-for-FEMA-grant-for-mock-6393929.php <small class="autosigned">—&nbsp;Preceding [[Wikipedia:Signatures|unsigned]] comment added by [[Special:Contributions/72.0.130.202|72.0.130.202]] ([[User talk:72.0.130.202|talk]]) 12:41, 20 July 2015 (UTC)</small><!-- Template:Unsigned IP --> <!--Autosigned by SineBot-->

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MMO measurement conversions do not match

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https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Boeing_727#Specifications

Current: Mach 0.9 (961 km/h; 519 kn)

Mach 0.9 = 1111 km/h, 600 kn

961 km/h = Mach 0.78, 519 kn

519 kn = Mach 0.78, 961 km/h


AbigailPhoenix (talk) 01:29, 22 June 2021 (UTC)[reply]

Mach number conversions varies with temperature, and thus with altitude. If the conditions are not specified in the ref, it's best to avoid. It's an operating limit anyway, not a speed.--Marc Lacoste (talk) 05:24, 22 June 2021 (UTC)[reply]
Okay! Thanks for the clarification :)
AbigailPhoenix (talk) 06:14, 22 June 2021 (UTC)[reply]

Changing the Main Picture

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I think we should change the main picture from a -200 variant to the -100 to give new readers a intro to the -100 then progress up to the -200. Lol78231469 (talk) 02:27, 29 April 2022 (UTC)[reply]

But the -200 is way more common, with 69% against 31%. Also, please read the last discussion on the subject, a good deal of thought and work has been poured in the current one. And if you want another picture, please propose one. Thanks!--Marc Lacoste (talk) 04:27, 29 April 2022 (UTC)[reply]

New Info

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I would like to add some random pop-culture information to the article but it seems the lead is not the right place to place it. It also seems that there is no "In Media" section but (Witch makes sense given there is not much media around this plane.) and I am Strongly against adding a whole new section to the article. Does anyone know where I can add some random Pop-Culture information?

PS:I have citations/sources ready if the edit is ever made. Liminality10101 (talk) 23:52, 9 March 2023 (UTC)[reply]

The lead section is indeed inappropriate. You can try adding a new "in media" section, but if the tidbits are unimportant (refs or not) it can be deleted.--Marc Lacoste (talk) 10:55, 10 March 2023 (UTC)[reply]
The DB Cooper incident is already covered in the linked List of accidents and incidents involving the Boeing 727 and is not particularly significant from the point of view of the history of the boeing 727 - the album cover is pure trivia.Nigel Ish (talk) 13:55, 10 March 2023 (UTC)[reply]

Boeing 727-46

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The article states: "The 727-46 was a shortened variant of the 727." I do not think this is correct. The 727-46 looks identical in dimensions to the 727-100. The 727-46 does have additional rear exits similar to the 727-200. This was to satisfy the high-density requirements of Japan Airlines (Boeing customer code "46"). Some of these were sold to Dan-Air, where they were fitted with 153 seats, more than the exit limit of the standard 727-100. https://www.key.aero/article/dan-airs-trijet-boeings Meh130 (talk) 16:16, 18 January 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Entry removed as it was unsourced. Accident reports involving the -46 report 140+ passenger casualties and aircraft weights the same as the -100. Limited searches of Jane's directories came up blank for the -46 being a major variant or even being mentioned. Nimbus (Cumulus nimbus floats by) 18:20, 18 January 2024 (UTC)[reply]
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