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== Biased tag required ==
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The article is biased. It is inappropriate to describe singapore as a democracy.
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The above statement is completely untrue and is, ironically, utterly biased itself.
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== Capital punishment arguments ==
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The statement here needs clarification or citation:
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<blockquote>''However, defenders argue that Singapore is one of the few countries that does occasionally (most recently in 2003) reveal its execution rate. Some countries which may have higher execution rates are overlooked by Amnesty because they keep their execution records a state secret.''</blockquote>
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I believe most countries have open courts system and thus the execution rates can always be computed. Singapore's per capita rate fluctuates significantly, partly because the number of executions in Singapore is relatively small and partly because of the drug trades. In the period surveyed by AI, its per capita rate is highest among the countries examined. In recent years, Saudi's rate is much higher. Nonetheless, the main argument used by "defenders" is not about the ranking, but that there is no universal consensus on the issue of capital punishment and that the country has the sovereign right to determine the punishment for serious crimes. --[[User:Vsion|Vsion]] 14:12, 29 June 2006 (UTC)
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Why is it necessary to state the Singapore government's "response" in the Wiki article as you have done? Their response is essentially the same response that all death penalty governments employ (the issue of sovereignty). I think the AI statistic should be presented at face value, without the blithe commentary. The article should present facts, not opinions of the Singapore government. -- [[User:Xaqua|Xaqua]] 03:09, 7 July 2006 (UTC)
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:If you are refering to this edit [http://en.wikipedia.org/enwiki/w/index.php?title=Singapore&diff=62137083&oldid=62135445], I was just replacing a misleading and unsourced sentence with one that is accurate and referenced. --[[User:Vsion|Vsion]] 03:46, 7 July 2006 (UTC)
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== Courts ==
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These statements are also strange:
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<blockquote>''Several former and present members of the opposition, including Francis Seow, J.B. Jeyaretnam and Chee Soon Juan perceive the Singaporean courts as favourable towards the government and the PAP due to a lack of separation of powers. [12] There are however three cases in which opposition leader Chiam See Tong sued PAP members for defamation and sucessfully obtained an out-of-court settlement. [13]''</blockquote>
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Regarding these two statements, the first states that the opposition perceives courts as biased. The second then attempts to rebut the first by giving a counterexample, but a small out-of-court settlement by weak PAP underlings is a bad counterexample. We should clarify this by adding that no court case has actually ever been ruled (by a judge) in favor of any opposition member. This is much more significant to readers than the minor example of Chiam See Tong's out-of-court settlement and more accurately reflects the true state of the courts in Singapore. -- [[User:Xaqua|Xaqua]] 03:09, 7 July 2006 (UTC)
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:Similary, my edit here [http://en.wikipedia.org/enwiki/w/index.php?title=Singapore&diff=60836862&oldid=60819392] was to clarify and add source, and it stopped an edit war. I'm not sure about the accuracy of the statement that "no court case has actually ever been ruled (by a judge) in favor of any opposition member". --[[User:Vsion|Vsion]] 03:46, 7 July 2006 (UTC)
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::If anyone is aware of a single court case where an opposition member won a judgement (in the Singapore courts) against a PAP member, please let us know. I couldn't find any. If there hasn't been a single case in the entire decades-long history of modern Singapore, then this is significant and should be added to qualify the statement about Chiam's "settlement". As it stands, the article seems to take a biased position that, though the opposition PERCEIVES the courts to be biased, this is obviously not the case because once, a long time ago, Chiam got a tiny out-of-court settlement from some PAP juniors. While we may disagree on the actual amount of bias in Singapore courts, we should be careful about the way these statements are worded. [[User:Xaqua|Xaqua]] 07:25, 10 July 2006 (UTC)
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:::I replace "There are however ..." with "Nonetheless, there are ...". This was my fault, I keep forgeting the proper use of "however". --[[User:Vsion|Vsion]] 01:08, 11 July 2006 (UTC)
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::::After waiting for a week, no one has offered any example of a PAP member losing a defamation case in court. This is because there aren't any. Rather than merely state that the opposition perceives the Singapore courts to be biased, including the statement that no PAP member has ever lost in court provides more useful, factual information to readers, rather than just the OPINION of the opposition. This statement is further clarified by the addition of Chiam's out-of-court settlement against a few PAP juniors. [[User:Xaqua|Xaqua]] 04:06, 17 July 2006 (UTC)
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== Removal of modified version of Singapore State Crest ==


Under Singapore's National Symbols Act with effect on 1 August 2023, distortion or modification of the design of the State Crest and Presidential Crest will not be allowed. If there's no contest to this in 3 days, I will remove it to comply with local regulations. [[User:SecretSquirrel78|SecretSquirrel78]] ([[User talk:SecretSquirrel78|talk]]) 16:41, 8 June 2024 (UTC)
:In more recent times, it tends to be CMIO - Chinese, Malay, Indian and Others in place of the word "Eurasian".--[[User:Huaiwei|Huaiwei]] 17:25, 29 July 2006 (UTC)


:Wikipedia is not bound by Singapore's laws. The image complies with copyright considerations. [[User:EvergreenFir|'''<span style="color:#8b00ff;">Eve</span><span style="color:#6528c2;">rgr</span><span style="color:#3f5184;">een</span><span style="color:#197947;">Fir</span>''']] [[User talk:EvergreenFir|(talk)]] 21:52, 8 June 2024 (UTC)
::Does "Others" just define Eurasians or does it include everybody that is not Chinese, Malay, or Indian? [[User:HongQiGong|--- Hong Qi Gong]] 20:05, 29 July 2006 (UTC)
:::The later.--[[User:Huaiwei|Huaiwei]] 08:14, 30 July 2006 (UTC)


== Quality and Tone of Statistics ==
Pardon ... which sentence(s) in the article is this issue about? --[[User:Vsion|Vsion]] 22:24, 31 July 2006 (UTC)


"Singaporeans enjoy one of the longest life expectancies, fastest Internet connection speeds, lowest infant mortality rates, and lowest levels of corruption in the world."
== Singapore courtesy ranking ==


According to https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_sovereign_states_by_Internet_connection_speeds it would be more accurate to use the M-Lab data. Top band being around 200 MBit/s, next around 150 MBit/s, next around 125 MBit/s, then 100 MBit/s. Singapore is in the 100 MBit/s category. It would be incorrect to suggest the internet here is one of the fastest internet speeds.
I remember reading in a newspaper about Singapore ranking poorly in a courtesy survey. Could someone help me find a reference? They could then put it in the article, or let me insert it myself. --[[User:Hildanknight|J.L.W.S. The Special One]] 06:38, 1 August 2006 (UTC)
:I don't have it; but please add such rankings in [[International rankings of Singapore]] instead of here, as per [[Wikipedia:WikiProject Countries]] and FAC precedences. Placing such rankings in Country X's article generates lots of unnecessary discussion over the accuracy and appropriateness of the ranking criteria and the agenda of ranking agencies. The table of ranking currently in the article should probably be moved to [[International rankings of Singapore]] as well. --[[User:Vsion|Vsion]] 21:12, 1 August 2006 (UTC)
::I saw the table of rankings, and that's why I thought of adding the results there. If I'm not wrong, the survey was conducted by Reader's Digest. Besides, I'm not sure if we want to tell the whole world how bad-mannered we Singaporeans are. (But in the interests of NPOV, we must) --[[User:Hildanknight|J.L.W.S. The Special One]] 04:59, 2 August 2006 (UTC)
:::If it is informative and accurate, then the survey result should be of interest (and I'm a rank-cruft myself). However the length of [[Singapore]] article already exceeds the guideline, so we try not to clutter too much here. The article [[International rankings of Singapore]] is a more suitable place for these international ranking trivia, and it was in fact created from [[Singapore]] following a [[Wikipedia:Peer_review/Singapore|peer review suggestion]]. --[[User:Vsion|Vsion]] 05:34, 2 August 2006 (UTC)


The other metrics, longest life expectancies (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_countries_by_life_expectancy) is high, perhaps not significantly different. Lowest infant mortality rates (under-fives), https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_countries_by_infant_and_under-five_mortality_rates, is a difficult metric and may not be super accurate or a reasonable comparison ("Note that due to differences in reporting, these numbers may not be comparable across countries." - List of countries by infant and under-five mortality rates, Wikipedia). Percieved perceptions, https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Corruption_Perceptions_Index, could stem from cultural and political practice. For example, "Singapore frequently uses overly broad and restrictive laws to silence criticism of the government and restrict the rights to freedom of expression and peaceful assembly." Human Rights Watch, https://www.hrw.org/world-report/2024/country-chapters/singapore. Culturally, the adoption of a hierarchical obiedience and the need for harmony will influence the perceptions metric.
== Government kind ==


Although many of the metrics of this highly developed nation are impressive, it seems the tone of the delivery of this information may be incorrect and misleading. <!-- Template:Unsigned IP --><small class="autosigned">—&nbsp;Preceding [[Wikipedia:Signatures|unsigned]] comment added by [[Special:Contributions/49.179.39.50|49.179.39.50]] ([[User talk:49.179.39.50#top|talk]]) 23:42, 22 September 2024 (UTC)</small> <!--Autosigned by SineBot-->
How can Singaporean Government be considered a parliamentary republic when we cannot vote for our prime minister? [[User:Ottokarf|Ottokarf]]

:What, then, is a "parliamentary republic"?--[[User:Huaiwei|Huaiwei]] 17:00, 5 August 2006 (UTC)
== Semi-protected edit request on 13 November 2024 ==
::A republic means that the people can vote for their prime minister, does it not? The president of Singapore is only a figure head. The position of Prime Minister is not for the people of Singapore to decide. In fact, Lee Kuan Yew left the post of Prime Minister to his son. How can this be considered a republic is one canot vote for their leader? If you want to speak up against the government, you have to have a permit to do so, issued by the government, or else you will be prosecuted for what you say that diasgrees with the government. Recently, the head of the opposition party in Singapore was tried at court for speaking against the government in public without a valid speaking license. How can we say this is a republic?

--[[User:Ottokarf|Ottokarf]]
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"Singapore, officially the Republic of Singapore, is an island country and city-state in maritime Southeast Asia".

Singapore very much ''is'' in Maritime Southeast Asia, but if you click on the article [[Maritime Southeast Asia]] and check each country individually you'll see that Singapore is the only one that begins with "a country in Maritime Southeast Asia" and not just "a country in Southeast Asia" (with the exception of Indonesia, which is in Southeast Asia ''and'' Oceania). So I suggest to either 1. change all of the articles for the countries in Maritime Southeast Asia to include "maritime" or 2. (the more reasonable one, my actual edit request):

- Please change "city-state in maritime Southeast Asia" to "city-state in Southeast Asia".

If there's some politics to this I'm not aware of, my bad! But as far as I can tell this is just a case of being overly specific and not being consistent with other articles.

FAILING THE ABOVE - please only regard this if my suggested edit above is not done.
Please change "city-state in maritime Southeast Asia" to "city-state in Maritime Southeast Asia", because it's supposed to be capitalised (check the MSA article itself, where it always is capitalised).

Thank you! [[Special:Contributions/2A02:C7E:2F68:AC00:B043:273:5060:1AC0|2A02:C7E:2F68:AC00:B043:273:5060:1AC0]] ([[User talk:2A02:C7E:2F68:AC00:B043:273:5060:1AC0|talk]]) 01:34, 13 November 2024 (UTC)
:{{done}}<!-- Template:ESp --> Consistency seems ideal, but I, too, wanted to make sure there wasn't "some politics to this" so I searched through talk page archives as well as the good and featured article reviews but found no mention of the inclusion of "maritime" in the lead. It looks like it got added during a pretty significant overhaul of the article in 2020 by a no longer active editor, with the helpful edit summary of "maritime Southeast Asia". That edit also included "located within the [[Malay Archipelago]]" which has since been removed from the lead. Per your request and for the sake of consistency with other articles I've removed "maritime" and changed the link to [[Southeast Asia]]. [[User:DrOrinScrivello|DrOrinScrivello]] ([[User talk:DrOrinScrivello|talk]]) 20:04, 13 November 2024 (UTC)

Latest revision as of 03:09, 17 December 2024

Former featured article candidateSingapore is a former featured article candidate. Please view the links under Article milestones below to see why the nomination was archived. For older candidates, please check the archive.
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April 24, 2006Featured article candidateNot promoted
May 19, 2006Featured article candidateNot promoted
July 16, 2007Good article reassessmentDelisted
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Removal of modified version of Singapore State Crest

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Under Singapore's National Symbols Act with effect on 1 August 2023, distortion or modification of the design of the State Crest and Presidential Crest will not be allowed. If there's no contest to this in 3 days, I will remove it to comply with local regulations. SecretSquirrel78 (talk) 16:41, 8 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Wikipedia is not bound by Singapore's laws. The image complies with copyright considerations. EvergreenFir (talk) 21:52, 8 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Quality and Tone of Statistics

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"Singaporeans enjoy one of the longest life expectancies, fastest Internet connection speeds, lowest infant mortality rates, and lowest levels of corruption in the world."

According to https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_sovereign_states_by_Internet_connection_speeds it would be more accurate to use the M-Lab data. Top band being around 200 MBit/s, next around 150 MBit/s, next around 125 MBit/s, then 100 MBit/s. Singapore is in the 100 MBit/s category. It would be incorrect to suggest the internet here is one of the fastest internet speeds.

The other metrics, longest life expectancies (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_countries_by_life_expectancy) is high, perhaps not significantly different. Lowest infant mortality rates (under-fives), https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_countries_by_infant_and_under-five_mortality_rates, is a difficult metric and may not be super accurate or a reasonable comparison ("Note that due to differences in reporting, these numbers may not be comparable across countries." - List of countries by infant and under-five mortality rates, Wikipedia). Percieved perceptions, https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Corruption_Perceptions_Index, could stem from cultural and political practice. For example, "Singapore frequently uses overly broad and restrictive laws to silence criticism of the government and restrict the rights to freedom of expression and peaceful assembly." Human Rights Watch, https://www.hrw.org/world-report/2024/country-chapters/singapore. Culturally, the adoption of a hierarchical obiedience and the need for harmony will influence the perceptions metric.

Although many of the metrics of this highly developed nation are impressive, it seems the tone of the delivery of this information may be incorrect and misleading. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 49.179.39.50 (talk) 23:42, 22 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Semi-protected edit request on 13 November 2024

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"Singapore, officially the Republic of Singapore, is an island country and city-state in maritime Southeast Asia".

Singapore very much is in Maritime Southeast Asia, but if you click on the article Maritime Southeast Asia and check each country individually you'll see that Singapore is the only one that begins with "a country in Maritime Southeast Asia" and not just "a country in Southeast Asia" (with the exception of Indonesia, which is in Southeast Asia and Oceania). So I suggest to either 1. change all of the articles for the countries in Maritime Southeast Asia to include "maritime" or 2. (the more reasonable one, my actual edit request):

- Please change "city-state in maritime Southeast Asia" to "city-state in Southeast Asia".

If there's some politics to this I'm not aware of, my bad! But as far as I can tell this is just a case of being overly specific and not being consistent with other articles.

FAILING THE ABOVE - please only regard this if my suggested edit above is not done. Please change "city-state in maritime Southeast Asia" to "city-state in Maritime Southeast Asia", because it's supposed to be capitalised (check the MSA article itself, where it always is capitalised).

Thank you! 2A02:C7E:2F68:AC00:B043:273:5060:1AC0 (talk) 01:34, 13 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]

 Done Consistency seems ideal, but I, too, wanted to make sure there wasn't "some politics to this" so I searched through talk page archives as well as the good and featured article reviews but found no mention of the inclusion of "maritime" in the lead. It looks like it got added during a pretty significant overhaul of the article in 2020 by a no longer active editor, with the helpful edit summary of "maritime Southeast Asia". That edit also included "located within the Malay Archipelago" which has since been removed from the lead. Per your request and for the sake of consistency with other articles I've removed "maritime" and changed the link to Southeast Asia. DrOrinScrivello (talk) 20:04, 13 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]
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