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Rewshe Qasim

Rewshe Qasim, 137, was born in 1887 in the Kurdistan Region of Iraq. She is considered the oldest person in the world and Iraq.I want it listed in that article.[1][2][3][4] Ari Qasm (talk) 15:05, 22 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Does not qualify for inclusion. Appropriate article is Longevity myths. DerbyCountyinNZ ^{(Talk Contribs)} 18:41, 22 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]

The oldest living man in the world is only 112 years and 83 days?

So João Marinho Neto born on 05 October 1912 is the oldest living man on Earth? That can't be right. In a remote village on the mountains of Yunnan, China, every family has at least one man older than 110. 112 years old is not that impressive really, I have a friend whose great-grandma is already 106 years old and she is still going strong. 120.16.36.85 (talk) 08:06, 27 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Longevity claims and Longevity myths are full of similar unverified claims. DerbyCountyinNZ ^{(Talk Contribs)} 10:13, 27 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Lin Shemu

Chinese media reports that a very old lady named Lin Shemu (Chinese: 林蛇母, born on 18 June 1902 in Longhai District, Fujian) has died on Wednesday (New Year's Day) at the age of 122 years and 197 days (123 years according to East Asian age reckoning), 33 days more than Jeanne Calment. They have shown a copy of her National ID Card as her proof of age. Should we list her as the oldest person ever lived?

Source: https://view.inews.qq.com/k/20250102A03XGA00 2001:8003:9100:2C01:613A:3276:5C61:9113 (talk) 07:17, 3 January 2025 (UTC)[reply]

No. She can be listed in Longevity claims with the other unverified cases. DerbyCountyinNZ ^{(Talk Contribs)} 08:17, 3 January 2025 (UTC)[reply]

Why is she considered "unverified"? She has a National ID Card, that means her age has been verified by the Chinese government. 1.159.150.219 (talk) 10:05, 3 January 2025 (UTC)[reply]

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-==Correct GRG list?==
-Can anyone verify that the link to what is supposedly the current GRG list of oldest living people is actually correct?  Until recently it linked to the list actually on grg.org.  In the past month it has been switched to a link on http://supercentenarian-research-foundation.org  It appears this is a separate group from GRG, or at least I'm not seeing anything saying they are one and the same.  On the actual GRG website they still link to the November 2014 list.  In fact on the SRF website, if you go to the home page and click the link to the list it takes you to that same Nov. 2014 list on the GRG website, not the list we are linking to.  Since GRG is being considered the gold standard for supercentarian verification, shouldn't we be certain the list we use really is their list?
-This ties back into my discussion above where I mistakenly thought vandalism was going.  If we are going to list someone as "Anonymous" on the list of oldest living people, we should be certain this is correct.
-[[User:Mantisia|Mantisia]] ([[User talk:Mantisia|talk]]) 23:29, 20 July 2015 (UTC)
-:Yes, that is their new link. I have to say that their website and publication of updates is generally very poor. [[User:DerbyCountyinNZ|<span style="background:orange; color:blue">DerbyCountyinNZ</span>]] <sup>([[User talk:DerbyCountyinNZ|Talk]] [[Special:Contribs/DerbyCountyinNZ|Contribs]])</sup> 05:40, 21 July 2015 (UTC)
-::: that's just ignorant. They are the world's leader in verifying supercentarians.  <small class="autosigned">—&nbsp;Preceding [[Wikipedia:Signatures|unsigned]] comment added by [[Special:Contributions/166.170.48.75|166.170.48.75]] ([[User talk:166.170.48.75|talk]]) 02:44, 20 August 2015 (UTC)</small><!-- Template:Unsigned IP --> <!--Autosigned by SineBot-->
-==Adding of [[Dharampal singh Gudha]] to the list==
-Hello guys One man [[Dharampal singh Gudha]]  is around 118 year old runner and infact he is record holder at this age .I was thinking to add him or elese somebody add him in the list after consensus ? [[User:Honi02|<span style="color:darkorange">Honi</span><span style="color: darkorange">02</span>]] [[User talk:Honi02|<span style="color:darkgreen">talk</span>]]  15:34, 16 October 2015 (UTC)
-== Semi-protected edit request on 29 October 2015 ==
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-"live longer then men" should be changed to "live longer than men"
+== Rewshe Qasim ==
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-[[Special:Contributions/99.241.102.71|99.241.102.71]] ([[User talk:99.241.102.71|talk]]) 17:39, 29 October 2015 (UTC)
-:{{re|99.241.102.71}} {{done}} '''[[User:NottNott|<span style="color:#1C662A">Nott</span><span style="color:#2EB347">Nott</span>]]''' [[User_talk:NottNott|<span style="color:black">'''talk'''</span>]]&#124;[[Special:Contributions/NottNott|contrib]] 17:40, 29 October 2015 (UTC)
+Rewshe Qasim, 137, was born in 1887 in the Kurdistan Region of Iraq. She is considered the oldest person in the world and Iraq.I want it listed in that article.[https://www.kurdistan24.net/ckb/story/811714/بە-تەمەنترین-ئافرەتی-عێراق-لە-سەرژمێری-تۆمار-کرا][https://www.ava.news/news/16946][https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UqcK291GfkU][https://nrttv.com/BA/detail5/10492] [[User:Ari Qasm|Ari Qasm]] ([[User talk:Ari Qasm|talk]]) 15:05, 22 November 2024 (UTC)
-I recommend that the phrasing be changed to "women live longer than men, on average".--[[Special:Contributions/184.58.31.41|184.58.31.41]] ([[User talk:184.58.31.41|talk]]) 22:43, 13 December 2015 (UTC)
-:{{Done}}. I agree, it also corresponds better with the section it links to. [[User:Gap9551|Gap9551]] ([[User talk:Gap9551|talk]]) 22:47, 13 December 2015 (UTC)
+:Does not qualify for inclusion. Appropriate article is [[Longevity myths]]. [[User:DerbyCountyinNZ|<span style="background:orange; color:blue">DerbyCountyinNZ</span>]] <sup>([[User talk:DerbyCountyinNZ|Talk]] [[Special:Contribs/DerbyCountyinNZ|Contribs]])</sup> 18:41, 22 November 2024 (UTC)
-== Lucy Hannah a fraud actual age  97 ==
+== The oldest living man in the world is only 112 years and 83 days? ==
-Lucy Hannah is a complete fraud and the GRG knows it. They refuse to remove her even though there is overwhelming evidence she was an impostor who took another persons identity to claim government benefits early. Age 117 no way. Age 97 is the correct age at death. Come on GRG own up to this and remove her. It is insulting to have a fraud in the top 10.  <small class="autosigned">—&nbsp;Preceding [[Wikipedia:Signatures|unsigned]] comment added by [[Special:Contributions/184.18.49.5|184.18.49.5]] ([[User talk:184.18.49.5|talk]]) 21:20, 24 December 2015 (UTC)</small><!-- Template:Unsigned IP --> <!--Autosigned by SineBot-->
+So [[João Marinho Neto]] born on 05 October 1912 is the oldest living man on [[Earth]]? That can't be right. In a remote village on the mountains of [[Yunnan]], [[China]], every family has at least one man older than 110. 112 years old is not that impressive really, I have a friend whose great-grandma is already 106 years old and she is still going strong. [[Special:Contributions/120.16.36.85|120.16.36.85]] ([[User talk:120.16.36.85|talk]]) 08:06, 27 December 2024 (UTC)
-== Proposed merge with [[List of oldest living people]] ==
+:[[Longevity claims]] and [[Longevity myths]] are full of similar ''unverified'' claims. [[User:DerbyCountyinNZ|<span style="background:orange; color:blue">DerbyCountyinNZ</span>]] <sup>([[User talk:DerbyCountyinNZ|Talk]] [[Special:Contribs/DerbyCountyinNZ|Contribs]])</sup> 10:13, 27 December 2024 (UTC)
+== Lin Shemu ==
-[[Oldest people]] has long had an arbitrary Top 10 list of this article, which itself is a roughly Top 50 list of oldest people.  This creates an unnecessary duplication of lists.  Since the Top 10 are all women, men have been arbitrarily excluded from the [[Oldest people]] page, which presenting the Top 50ish solves.
+Chinese media reports that a very old lady named Lin Shemu (Chinese: 林蛇母, born on 18 June 1902 in [[Longhai District]], [[Fujian]]) has died on Wednesday ([[New Year's Day]]) at the age of '''122 years and 197 days''' (123 years according to [[East Asian age reckoning]]), 33 days more than [[Jeanne Calment]]. They have shown a copy of her National ID Card as her proof of age. Should we list her as the oldest person ever lived?
+Source: https://view.inews.qq.com/k/20250102A03XGA00
-I have completed a merge of the Top 50ish list into where the Top 10 list was before in [[Oldest people]]. No loss of data or info happens with this.  Only the spinout article with just the top 50ish list  turns into a redirect.
+[[Special:Contributions/2001:8003:9100:2C01:613A:3276:5C61:9113|2001:8003:9100:2C01:613A:3276:5C61:9113]] ([[User talk:2001:8003:9100:2C01:613A:3276:5C61:9113|talk]]) 07:17, 3 January 2025 (UTC)
+:No. She can be listed in [[Longevity claims]] with the other ''unverified'' cases. [[User:DerbyCountyinNZ|<span style="background:orange; color:blue">DerbyCountyinNZ</span>]] <sup>([[User talk:DerbyCountyinNZ|Talk]] [[Special:Contribs/DerbyCountyinNZ|Contribs]])</sup> 08:17, 3 January 2025 (UTC)
-[[Oldest people]] is a more natural page title then [[List of oldest living people]]. Presenting the oldest ever recorded people near the oldest living also facilitates cross checking the lists as people age or die. Naturally the List of oldest living people will become a section specific redirect. [[User:Legacypac|Legacypac]] ([[User talk:Legacypac|talk]]) 23:10, 24 December 2015 (UTC)
+::Why is she considered "unverified"? She has a National ID Card, that means her age has been verified by the Chinese government. [[Special:Contributions/1.159.150.219|1.159.150.219]] ([[User talk:1.159.150.219|talk]]) 10:05, 3 January 2025 (UTC)
-:'''Oppose''' This obsession with merging everything into one list, or even one article, is counter-productive to readability. [[User:DerbyCountyinNZ|<span style="background:orange; color:blue">DerbyCountyinNZ</span>]] <sup>([[User talk:DerbyCountyinNZ|Talk]] [[Special:Contribs/DerbyCountyinNZ|Contribs]])</sup> 23:20, 24 December 2015 (UTC)
-*'''Support''' As I stated at the related Afd this would seem to be entirely ''consistent'' with "readability" and simplified navigation for our readers. The main article is not too big to accommodate this list as one of the centrepieces of [[Oldest people]], and readers can find everything in one main article.  Also, if the main article can accommodate a list of "100 verified oldest people" why can't it house the 50 oldest living, too? [[User:Shawn in Montreal|Shawn in Montreal]] ([[User talk:Shawn in Montreal|talk]]) 23:24, 24 December 2015 (UTC)
-::For that matter - if 10 oldest living were a key part of the article, why not 50?  If 50 are too many we can cut the list down in either location.  No one cares about the 47th tallest or fattest or fastest living person on earth for example. [[User:Legacypac|Legacypac]] ([[User talk:Legacypac|talk]]) 23:33, 24 December 2015 (UTC)
-:'''Oppose''' These are different - and should remain separate. [[User:Alandavidson|Alan Davidson]] ([[User talk:Alandavidson|talk]]) 00:19, 25 December 2015 (UTC)
-::So are you proposing to remove all the Oldest living people from the Oldest people article? [[User:Legacypac|Legacypac]] ([[User talk:Legacypac|talk]]) 01:04, 25 December 2015 (UTC)
-:'''Oppose''' @Shawn: In the first place I am a reader! When this article is merged it will be much more difficult to follow all the changes. I want
-the oldest living people in a seperate article. And Legacypac, when you don't care about Nr. 47, what the hell are you doing here? Every time I come here I find another action from you trying to delete something and destroying structures that worked for years now. If there is something bad sourced, remember sometimes bad sources are the best to get. But Oldest living people isn't bad sourced, it's completely sourced. And it can be linked from oldest people, so your natural page title argument doesn't count. Please stop changing everything only to change anything.--[[User:Dangermouse600|Dangermouse600]] ([[User talk:Dangermouse600|talk]]) 00:24, 25 December 2015 (UTC)
-::Who is arguing about sources? The ArbComm case shows that there needs to be a restructure and simplification of Longevity.  Join the effort instead of fighting change. [[User:Legacypac|Legacypac]] ([[User talk:Legacypac|talk]]) 01:04, 25 December 2015 (UTC)
-:'''Oppose''' Wikipedia is supposed to be a pool of information. Why do people keep on insisting content relating to longevity be removed from Wikipedia? It is a never ending battle to keep these articles intact and consistent with each other.  <small><span class="autosigned">—&nbsp;Preceding [[Wikipedia:Signatures|unsigned]] comment added by [[User:Crveni5|Crveni5]] ([[User talk:Crveni5|talk]] • [[Special:Contributions/Crveni5|contribs]]) 01:08, 25 December 2015 (UTC)</span></small><!-- Template:Unsigned --> <!--Autosigned by SineBot-->
-::Well, all I'm suggesting is that where possible, information be 'pooled' in ''one place''. But again, there seems to be very strong feelings based on past Afds, I suppose. [[User:Shawn in Montreal|Shawn in Montreal]] ([[User talk:Shawn in Montreal|talk]]) 01:16, 25 December 2015 (UTC)
-* '''Support''' But there's clearly not enough support for this. Suggest putting this into an RFC and following the requirements at [[WP:RFC]] and getting broader community output. There is a few obscure topic. -- [[User:Ricky81682|Ricky81682]] ([[User talk:Ricky81682|talk]]) 05:37, 25 December 2015 (UTC)
-:'''Oppose''' I've followed these lists for years, and the recent amalgamation of oldest people ever with oldest people living is confusing and unnecessary.  They should remain separate articles.  As stated by others above, there seems to be a recurring desire on the part of exclusionists to make sure that useful and interesting information on longevity is removed from Wikipedia.  Can you please find something else to work on that adds useful content to Wikipedia? // [[User:Netesq|Internet Esquire]] ([[User talk:Netesq|talk]]) 05:50, 25 December 2015 (UTC)
-::You realize the Top 10 have been in the Oldest people article all along and you are fighting to keep out the next forty?  If the merge is not allowed to stay, the Oldest living people will be removed completely from [[Oldest people]] with just a link provided.  [[User:Legacypac|Legacypac]] ([[User talk:Legacypac|talk]]) 05:56, 25 December 2015 (UTC)
-*'''Note''' [[List of oldest living people]] has been fully protected to stop the back and forth edit warring. --[[User:kelapstick|kelapstick]]<sup>([[User talk:Kelapstick#top|bainuu]]) </sup> 05:58, 25 December 2015 (UTC)
-*The living list has been removed from [[Oldest people]] to satisfy the people who reject that information there. I don't expect that it will be restored in whole or part as editors insist it should live on standalone page.  [[User:Legacypac|Legacypac]] ([[User talk:Legacypac|talk]]) 06:02, 25 December 2015 (UTC)
-*'''Oppose''' User merged some lists without consensus and has no grounds for this. The lists are not the same and merging will cause loss of information. [[User:930310|930310]] ([[User talk:930310|talk]]) 15:27, 25 December 2015 (UTC)
-*'''Oppose''' If it is a suggestion to merge the lists, why has the merger occurred before the suggestion was discussed? This is not a suggestion but a change forced upon the people against their will.