Template:Did you know nominations/Baruch Korff

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The result was: promoted by Cwmhiraeth (talk) 06:03, 10 July 2016 (UTC)

Baruch Korff

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• ... that despite watching the murder of his mother as a child, Baruch Korff went on to become "Nixon's Rabbi" who spoke with the "fire of an Old Testament Prophet"?

Created/expanded by Alexislynn(BYU) (talk). Self-nominated at 17:57, 30 June 2016 (UTC).

• I have added a wikilink to the hook, as required and a DYKmake credit for the other article author / expander, Amgisseman. @Alexislynn(BYU): if you object, please comment. Also proposing ALTs which are copy-edits:

• (ALT1): ... that after witnessing his mother's murder as a child, Baruch Korff became "Nixon's Rabbi" and spoke with the "fire of an Old Testament Prophet"?

Reviewing now. EdChem (talk) 13:56, 1 July 2016 (UTC)

• 5x expansion confirmed, and new enough
• Well-referenced.
• Earwig result (23.7%) due mostly to direct quotes which are in quotation marks and attributed, so no copyvio issue noted.
• No QPQ required - though the QPQ check finds five previous credits, two of them are for the same article. This is thus the 5th and final QPQ-free nomination.
• The sentence in the article which refers to Korff's mother's murder is not cited, it needs a direct citation.
• The 73 generations statement is not directly supported by the source (which says unbroken line back to 11th century, but not how many generations, but would make for a more interesting (IMO) hook:

• Thank you for the input! I have added a direct citation to the sentence in the article referring to the murder of Korff's mother. The 73 generations statement actually is directly supported by the source, it is found in hte 7th paragraph of the article.Alexislynn(BYU) (talk) 20:45, 1 July 2016 (UTC)

• (ALT2): ... "Nixon's Rabbi", Baruch Korff, was part of an unbroken line of rabbis that went back 73 generations?

• That he was Nixon's Rabbi is well supported, as is the old testament quote, in the NYT piece but again the direct citation on the sentence (required by DYK) is missing.
• Some copy-editing and added wikilinking would be good, though nothing that I would see as prevent accepting this nomination.
• A few things to address, mostly referencing on hook sentences, but this is getting there. I find ALT2 most interesting, but having proposed it, someone else will have to sign off on the nomination once changes are made. EdChem (talk) 14:17, 1 July 2016 (UTC)

• EdChem Thank you for your comments and review. I have added the citation after the "Old Testament prophet" quote. Was there anything else specific that you would recommend changing in the article? Amgisseman(BYU) (talk) 20:04, 5 July 2016 (UTC)

• @Alexislynn(BYU) and Amgisseman(BYU): I have made some changes, the murder information is now referenced (the wrong reference was included). I think this is good to go and would favour ALT2 but I cannot made a determination as I proposed ALT2. So, I will call for another reviewer. EdChem (talk) 09:46, 6 July 2016 (UTC)
• I have formed the view that the hook is good to go, the article meets DYK rules, all proposed hooks cited, etc. Unfortunately, having proposed an ALT and made tweaks to the article I cannot give the tick, so I call on another reviewer to look and see if they concur that it is ready. EdChem (talk) 09:46, 6 July 2016 (UTC)
• I'm looking at the source inline reference for went back 73 generations and can not find it. However I did find Korff was a link in an unbroken chain of rabbis in his family that dated back to the 11th century scholar Rashi. Can you help me in finding "73" or maybe submit an alternate hook that reflects what I found of "11th century" rabbi.--Doug Coldwell (talk) 13:57, 9 July 2016 (UTC)

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General: Article is new enough and long enough
New enough: Long enough:

Policy: Article is sourced, neutral, and free of copyright problems
Adequate sourcing: Neutral: Free of copyright violations, plagiarism, and close paraphrasing:

Hook: Hook has been verified by provided inline citation
Cited: Interesting:

QPQ: Done.

Overall: Passes DYK checklist. Good To Go for ALT2.--Doug Coldwell (talk) 14:37, 9 July 2016 (UTC)