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Show that Israel has taken control of the DMZ [[User:Napoleon583|Napoleon583]] ([[User talk:Napoleon583|talk]]) 15:25, 8 December 2024 (UTC)
== Good reference ==


== Redirect ==
[http://www.bbc.co.uk/arabic/middleeast/2012/02/120224_syria_opposition_guide.shtml This] is a great article by Arabic BBC about opposition parties in Syria. ([http://translate.google.com/translate?sl=ar&tl=en&js=n&prev=_t&hl=en&ie=UTF-8&layout=2&eotf=1&u=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.bbc.co.uk%2Farabic%2Fmiddleeast%2F2012%2F02%2F120224_syria_opposition_guide.shtml translated here]). <b>[[User:Bahraini Activist|<span style="font-family:Bradley Hand ITC;color:#ff0000">Bahraini Activist</span>]]</b> [[User talk:Bahraini Activist |<sup><span style="font-family:Script MT Bold;color:#07517C">Talk to me</span></sup>]] 11:09, 26 February 2012 (UTC)


Why is [[Syrian rebel]]/[[Syrian rebels]] redirected to [[Belligerents in the Syrian civil war]]? It should be redirected to this article '''[[Syrian opposition]]'''. [[User:ColorfulSmoke|ColorfulSmoke]] ([[User talk:ColorfulSmoke|talk]]) 15:41, 6 March 2021 (UTC)
== POV concerns ==
::Opps, i missed that [[Talk:Syrian opposition#"Syrian rebels" should not redirect here|"Syrian rebels" should not redirect here]]. [[User:ColorfulSmoke|ColorfulSmoke]] ([[User talk:ColorfulSmoke|talk]]) 11:26, 7 March 2021 (UTC)


== Quick question ==
Far be it from me to defend the Assad dynasty, but there are some outrageously POV statements in this article - "appalling conditions", "no regard for human rights or due process", etc. - and not enough reliable sources. I'm not a regular editor on this article, but if someone who is could go through and find sources for each of these claims and reword things that aren't direct quotes in a more neutral way, that would go a long way toward making this page more credible. -[[User:Kudzu1|Kudzu1]] ([[User talk:Kudzu1|talk]]) 18:58, 17 March 2012 (UTC)
:More importantly, it is becoming clear that this is just a front for Islamists. Ghalyoun and the rest are mere token-secularists. [[User:FunkMonk|FunkMonk]] ([[User talk:FunkMonk|talk]]) 23:54, 23 March 2012 (UTC)


{{ping|Havsjö}} What is a radical Syrian rebel and a moderate Syrian rebel? [[User:ColorfulSmoke|ColorfulSmoke]] ([[User talk:ColorfulSmoke|talk]]) 00:22, 25 December 2021 (UTC)
==[[Cities and towns during the Syrian civil war]]==


== Name prior to 2012? ==
I just created [[Cities and towns during the Syrian civil war]] to help us in the future in having a supporting reference about the geography of the conflict and maybe even allow us to create a map for the conflict. I thought it would be a starting point to have editors start compiling sourced information and keep track of the evolution of the situation on the ground. As indicated by [http://www.understandingwar.org/sites/default/files/Syrias_MaturingInsurgency_21June2012.pdf Syria’s Maturing Insurgency, 5.] “Syria’s maturing insurgency has begun to carve out its own de facto safe zones around Homs city, in northern Hama, and in the Idlib countryside.” So it seems helpful to have this list to keep track of these “safe zones”. In the future, this list will make the creation of a map easy since the map creator would just need to go down the list and put the colored dots (or whatever) on a template map (the list gives the district and province of each town…) <s>Unfortunately, the article was nominated for deletion and receiving delete votes from editors who are not involved in editing Syria articles. Take a look at the article ([[List of areas currently held by Syrian opposition]]) and see if you find it could be useful and if you would like to vote in the deletion discussion at http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Articles_for_deletion/List_of_areas_currently_held_by_Syrian_opposition [[User:Tradedia|Tradedia]] ([[User talk:Tradedia|talk]]) 19:32, 10 July 2012 (UTC)</s> Updated [[User:Tradedia|Tradedia]] ([[User talk:Tradedia|talk]]) 19:46, 3 September 2012 (UTC)


So officially the name of the Syrian opposition is the '''Syrian Arab Republic''', but according to the [[Syrian Republic]] disambiguation page, this only started in 2012, a whole year after it was formed. If I had to assume the name from 2011 to 2012 I'd guess it was officially called the '''Syrian Republic''' like the disambiguation page implies, but I'm not fully sure as there is no citation. [[User:Skrattar du Fölora du|Skrattar du Fölora du]] ([[User talk:Skrattar du Fölora du|talk]]) 00:34, 15 May 2022 (UTC)
== Jihadist groups? ==


== Lead too long ==
Shouldn't this article include the jihadist groups with the armed opposition like [[Al-Nusra Front]]? [[User:Charles Essie|Charles Essie]] ([[User talk:Charles Essie|talk]]) 21:53, 13 June 2013 (UTC)


Per [[MOS:LEAD]], lead should ideally be <= 4 paragraphs long. There are lots of small paragraphs that could be merged to meet that. [[Special:Contributions/104.232.119.107|104.232.119.107]] ([[User talk:104.232.119.107|talk]]) 03:15, 18 May 2024 (UTC)
== 2nd-paragraph quote ==


== Map change ==
<blockquote>
"The core of the grassroots civil opposition is the youth, mainly from the working and middle-classes, in which women and diverse religious and ethnic groups play active roles. Many of these activists remain non-affiliated to traditional political ideologies but are motivated by concerns for freedom, dignity, social justice and basic human rights." [1]
</blockquote>


Because of the [https://www.cnn.com/2024/11/29/world/syria-rebels-aleppo-war-intl/index.html recent rebel offensive,] we should change the map to include the gains made by HTS. [[User:LordOfWalruses|LordOfWalruses]] ([[User talk:LordOfWalruses|talk]]) 14:53, 30 November 2024 (UTC)
First off, this is a very lengthy quote and isn't attributed in the article text, so it seems a little jarring. Secondly, the source is [https://tahriricn.wordpress.com/2013/09/16/syria-the-struggle-continues-syrias-grass-roots-civil-opposition/ tahriricn.wordpress.com], which may not be neutral and reliable. Just thought I'd raise these concerns.-- [[User:Brainy J|<font color="1034A6">Brainy J</font>]] <font color="138808">~</font><font color="602F6B" size="3">✿</font><font color="138808">~</font> ([[User talk:Brainy J|<font color="1034A6">talk</font>]]) 18:50, 17 January 2015 (UTC)


== "Syrian rebels" should not redirect here ==
== “Southern Front” control should be added to map ==


The territory gained in southern Syria offensive (led by the opposition group “Southern Front”) is currently not shown on the map. This should be changed as soon as possible. [[User:LordOfWalruses|LordOfWalruses]] ([[User talk:LordOfWalruses|talk]]) 02:48, 7 December 2024 (UTC)
Currently, [[Syrian rebels]] redirects here, which is inaccurate and too specific (this article is somehow about a territory, but with an extremely generic name?). Best would be to redirect that to a list of such groups, but the closest we have is: [[List of armed groups in the Syrian Civil War]]. Groups like Nusra Front and ISIL are also "Syrian rebels", and most other groups are not represented by or affiliated with the SNC either. [[User:FunkMonk|FunkMonk]] ([[User talk:FunkMonk|talk]]) 15:01, 28 November 2015 (UTC)
:This article is about a pseudo-geopolitical entity, which names itself the Syrian Arab Republic and referred commonly as Syrian Opposition. It has representation in the Arab League (via Syrian Coalition) and has an armed force ([[Syrian Revolutionary Command Council]]). It does have a [[Syrian Interim Government]], but several pseudo parliaments - including the Syrian Coalition, Syrian Council and [[National Coordination Committee for Democratic Change]].[[User:Greyshark09|'''''GreyShark''''']] ([[User talk:Greyshark09|''dibra'']]) 16:56, 4 August 2016 (UTC)
::How does that address the problem? [[User:FunkMonk|FunkMonk]] ([[User talk:FunkMonk|talk]]) 17:09, 4 August 2016 (UTC)
:::Good point. Syrian Rebels should redirect to [[List of armed groups in the Syrian Civil War]].[[User:Greyshark09|'''''GreyShark''''']] ([[User talk:Greyshark09|''dibra'']]) 11:58, 9 August 2016 (UTC)
::::Done. Also made the diffuse term [[Moderate Syrian rebel]] a redirect to there. [[User:FunkMonk|FunkMonk]] ([[User talk:FunkMonk|talk]]) 12:56, 9 August 2016 (UTC)


== Orphaned references in [[:Syrian opposition]] ==
== They are no longer the opposition. ==


They now control the government. [[User:NesserWiki|NesserWiki]] ([[User talk:NesserWiki|talk]]) 07:39, 8 December 2024 (UTC)
I check pages listed in [[:Category:Pages with incorrect ref formatting]] to try to fix reference errors. One of the things I do is look for content for [[User:AnomieBOT/docs/OrphanReferenceFixer|orphaned references]] in wikilinked articles. I have found content for some of [[:Syrian opposition]]'s orphans, the problem is that I found more than one version. I can't determine which (if any) is correct for ''this'' article, so I am asking for a sentient editor to look it over and copy the correct ref content into this article.


== First paragraph ==
<b>Reference named "Guardian":</b><ul>
The introduction seems to imply that the name "Syrian opposition" only refers to the groups connected to the [[National Coalition of Syrian Revolutionary and Opposition Forces]] and its [[Syrian Interim Government|interim government]]. Shouldn't we specify that a broader definition of the "Syrian opposition" may include [[Tahrir al-Sham]]'s [[Syrian Salvation Government|salvation government]] ?
<li>From [[List of military equipment used by Syrian opposition forces]]: {{cite news|url=http://www.guardian.co.uk/world/2012/aug/09/syria-bashar-al-assad |work=The Guardian |title=Is Syria's balance of firepower close to a tipping point? |date=9 August 2012}}</li>
<li>From [[Refugees of the Syrian Civil War]]: {{cite web|url=http://www.theguardian.com/world/2015/sep/12/saudi-arabia-says-reports-of-its-syrian-refugee-response-false-and-misleading |title=Saudi Arabia says criticism of Syria refugee response 'false and misleading' |publisher=''[[The Guardian]]''|date=12 September 2015}}</li>
<li>From [[Antalya Conference for Change in Syria]]: {{cite news |author=Lauren Williams |title=Syrian businessmen back opposition conference |work=[[The Guardian]] |url=http://www.theguardian.com/world/2011/may/30/syrian-businessmen-back-opposition-conference |date=30 May 2011 |accessdate=3 December 2015}}</li>
<li>From [[Ferzat Jarban]]: Hacaoglu, Selcan. November 22, 2011. "Turkey says Syria can't oppress people forever." The Guardian (U.K.) Retrieved 4 December 2011 [http://www.guardian.co.uk/world/feedarticle/9959394 The Guardian (U.K.)]</li>
<li>From [[Liwa Abu al-Fadhal al-Abbas]]: {{cite news|title=Syrian war widens Sunni-Shia schism as foreign jihadis join fight for shrines|url=http://www.guardian.co.uk/world/2013/jun/04/syria-islamic-sunni-shia-shrines-volunteers|publisher=The Guardian|date=4 June 2013|accessdate=18 September 2013}}</li>
</ul>


An even broader definition may also, unfortunately, include the [[Islamic state]]. However, I seldom see them - or the Kurds, for that matter - mentioned as part of the opposition. So we may abstain to mention ISIS in the first paragrapaph. However, I think we should make it more clear that "Syrian opposition" is an umbrella term for an array of movements including, so far, two different governments (which may soon merge with one another, but time will tell). [[User:Psychloppos|Psychloppos]] ([[User talk:Psychloppos|talk]]) 15:00, 8 December 2024 (UTC)
I apologize if any of the above are effectively identical; I am just a simple computer program, so I can't determine whether minor differences are significant or not. [[User:AnomieBOT|AnomieBOT]][[User talk:AnomieBOT|<font color="#888800">⚡</font>]] 18:03, 21 March 2016 (UTC)
:I just rewrote the first paragraph. At first glance, I'd say the article as a whole needs an update. [[User:Psychloppos|Psychloppos]] ([[User talk:Psychloppos|talk]]) 21:46, 8 December 2024 (UTC)
:Yes, I agree with you, same with the "President" and "Prime Minister" on this article they only include the ones of the Interim Government, that's why I removed them, if these are added, tge ones of the Salvation Government should be added too. [[Special:Contributions/77.191.108.115|77.191.108.115]] ([[User talk:77.191.108.115|talk]]) 13:06, 9 December 2024 (UTC)


== Why does the HTS now control all forces of all other Rebel Organizations? ==
== Terribly POV ==


We need sources to back it up, that HTS controls all of that territory currently displayed on the map, as the Southern Front and Al-Tanf did not relinquich everything they owned [[User:DerEchteJoan|DerEchteJoan]] ([[User talk:DerEchteJoan|talk]]) 18:58, 8 December 2024 (UTC)
"Syrian opposition" is not an actual group, yet this article describes it as a term for the [[Syrian National Coalition]] and "associated anti-regime Syrian groups" (meaning including [[Islamist Front]] and [[Al-Nusra]] then), and then goes on saying that they are "youth, mainly from the working and middle-classes, in which women and diverse religious and ethnic groups play active roles" who are "motivated by concerns for freedom, dignity, social justice and basic human rights."


:It must be that somebody mistook the Opposition Forces alltogether on syria.livuamap.com for HTS and made the map totally wrong, some may revert this please? [[User:DerEchteJoan|DerEchteJoan]] ([[User talk:DerEchteJoan|talk]]) 19:03, 8 December 2024 (UTC)
Seriously? How can anyone read this with a straight face? There is a bloody war going on with opposition having branched off into ISIS and various other Islamist groups, but here it claims they are largely nonviolent young ethnic Jewish/Christian women who yearn for social justice? Sorry but it's absurd. [[User:Prinsgezinde|Bataaf van Oranje (Prinsgezinde)]] ([[User talk:Prinsgezinde|talk]]) 21:59, 27 April 2016 (UTC)
::Thank you. [[User:DerEchteJoan|DerEchteJoan]] ([[User talk:DerEchteJoan|talk]]) 19:26, 8 December 2024 (UTC)
:Syrian opposition is not including al-Nusra. It is a set of political alliances headed by SNC and affiliated military units of FSA and Islamic Front (but not Salafist Army of Conquest).[[User:Greyshark09|'''''GreyShark''''']] ([[User talk:Greyshark09|''dibra'']]) 11:57, 9 August 2016 (UTC)
::It's right that al-Nusra isn't part of it, but it also doesn't exist under this name anymore.


== Add the SDF Forces to the Map ==
::However, about the article: I'm very unhappy with this, too. It's represents the rebels as far too organised (for example the infobox make it seem like the [[National Coalition for Syrian Revolutionary and Opposition Forces]] is the ultimate Syrian opposition, which is extremely wrong), it doesn't mention that the majority of the Syrian rebels are Islamist groups like Ahrar al-Sham and so on. The problem is, that almost any explanation of the green colour of the Syrian Civil War map links here. So we either have to change this article very much or link the green colour of the map to another page which shows how the Syrian rebels are actually composed.--[[User:Ermanarich|Ermanarich]] ([[User talk:Ermanarich|talk]]) 18:40, 9 August 2016 (UTC)
:::Syrian rebels are not synonymous with Syrian opposition. Don't confuse the concepts.[[User:Greyshark09|'''''GreyShark''''']] ([[User talk:Greyshark09|''dibra'']]) 20:13, 11 August 2016 (UTC)
::::Then we need to link the green colour of the Syrian Civil War map to another place. Otherwise it seems like all rebels belong to the Syrian Opposition.--[[User:Ermanarich|Ermanarich]] ([[User talk:Ermanarich|talk]]) 20:31, 11 August 2016 (UTC)
:::::We might need to rename this page to either Syrian Opposition (capitalized) or better [[Syrian Arab Republic (Opposition)]] - to emphasize that a major group of rebels are grouped (though indeed loosely) under the banner of the alternative republican system in Syria, which is claiming the whole region of Syria, and is opponent to [[Ba'athist Syria]], [[Rojava|North Syria Federation]], [[Army of Conquest]] and to [[Islamic State of Iraq and the Levant]].[[User:Greyshark09|'''''GreyShark''''']] ([[User talk:Greyshark09|''dibra'']]) 13:57, 28 August 2016 (UTC)


The SDF Forces should now be shown on the map for clarification, as the Assad Regime has fallen [[User:DerEchteJoan|DerEchteJoan]] ([[User talk:DerEchteJoan|talk]]) 16:36, 9 December 2024 (UTC)
== Update Map ==


== HTS control too extensively shown? ==
Someone might want to update the map soon. -[[Special:Contributions/78.171.130.160|78.171.130.160]] ([[User talk:78.171.130.160|talk]]) 21:30, 25 August 2016 (UTC)


Don’t the SOR and SFA still exercise some control? If so, why is HTS shown to control all of their territory? [[User:LordOfWalruses|LordOfWalruses]] ([[User talk:LordOfWalruses|talk]]) 19:41, 9 December 2024 (UTC)
== Requested move 28 August 2016 ==


== Remove the map, change the map, or change the legend. ==
{{requested move/dated|Syrian Arab Republic (Opposition)}}


The map, in its current form, is extremely unhelpful. The map seems to show the distinction between the civilian administrations that were considered part of the opposition (a seemingly random change from what it was trying to convey a few days ago), while the legend seems to be a weird amalgamation of both civilian administrations and military control. However, the article is now dedicated to the history of the opposition; a map showing the current situation - where they are no longer the opposition - makes no sense. [[User:Clydiee|Clydiee]] ([[User talk:Clydiee|talk]]) 20:37, 9 December 2024 (UTC)
[[:Syrian opposition]] → {{no redirect|Syrian Arab Republic (Opposition)}} – This article is summing up the political-geographic-military structure, including the [[Syrian National Coalition]]-[[Syrian Interim Government]]-[[Syrian Revolutionary Command Council]] system, which is functioning as a presidential republic in parallel to [[Syria|Ba'athist Syrian Republic]]. Syrian Opposition is not only forming an alternative government to Assad's cabinet, but also an alternative army, alternative symbols (flag, etc.), separate territory, alternative finances, alternative political system, and having a seat at the Arab League. This is becoming more and more similar to separation of South Korea and North Korea, both claiming the whole Korean peninsula and each naming itself Korean Republic (South=Republic of Korea and North=Democratic People's Republic of Korea). With already 5 years passing since the onset of the war and having Assad's [[Syrian Arab Republic]] still existing and somewhat functioning, but in parallel also having several other entities emerging on former Syrian territories - one of which is the Syrian Opposition. The Opposition is naming itself the "Syrian Arab Republic" (see [https://www.facebook.com/SyrianInterimGovernment/about/?entry_point=page_nav_about_item&tab=page_info],[],[]). [[User:Greyshark09|'''''GreyShark''''']] ([[User talk:Greyshark09|''dibra'']]) 14:32, 28 August 2016 (UTC)

== Requested move 13 December 2024 ==

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[[:Syrian opposition]] → {{no redirect|Syrian opposition to Bashar al-Assad}} – update [[User:Panam2014|Panam2014]] ([[User talk:Panam2014|talk]]) 17:39, 13 December 2024 (UTC) <small>—&nbsp;'''''Relisting.'''''&nbsp;[[User:BD2412|<span style="background:gold">'''''BD2412'''''</span>]] [[User talk:BD2412|'''T''']] 03:25, 22 December 2024 (UTC)</small>

::'''Support''' as it adds clarity now that some of these factions are no longer in opposition, but in government. [[User:Dn9ahx|Dn9ahx]] ([[User talk:Dn9ahx|talk]]) 21:41, 13 December 2024 (UTC)
*<s>'''Move to Syrian revolutionaries''' I would personally support a move to Syrian revolutionaries as that's what best describes the forces. Syrian opposition to Bashar al-Assad is a bit too long for the article title imo. [[User:Hujjat al-Umari|Hujjat al-Umari]] ([[User talk:Hujjat al-Umari|talk]]) 16:13, 14 December 2024 (UTC)</s> <small>user was blocked as a sockpuppet [[User:Adumbrativus|Adumbrativus]] ([[User talk:Adumbrativus|talk]]) 20:14, 20 December 2024 (UTC)</small>
:"Syrian revolutionaries" may be an equally broad title. 19:43, 14 December 2024 (UTC)
*I wonder if "Syrian opposition to the Assad regime" would not be a more adequate title ? Some figures who were involved in organizations like the Syrian national coalition seem to have been around for quite a long time, so that may also include the Hafez el-Assad era. [[User:Psychloppos|Psychloppos]] ([[User talk:Psychloppos|talk]]) 19:43, 14 December 2024 (UTC)

:'''Somewhat support:''' I think a better and simpler title would be "Anti-Assad opposition" [[User:Ilhamnobi|Ilhamnobi]] ([[User talk:Ilhamnobi|talk]]) 17:40, 17 December 2024 (UTC)
*'''Move to [[Anti-Assad opposition]]'''. [[User:Theparties|Theparties]] ([[User talk:Theparties|talk]]) 05:44, 18 December 2024 (UTC)

:'''Support move to Syrian revolutionaries''' as per [[User:Hujjat al-Umari|Hujjat al-Umari]]. [[User:Theofunny|Theofunny]] ([[User talk:Theofunny|talk]]) 18:44, 18 December 2024 (UTC)
:*<del>'''Oppose''': still popular name+ [[WP:COMMONNAME]]. Also, [[Syrian Civil War]] did not end, these are still somehow be considered opposition.</del>
:<del>[[User:Ahammed Saad|Ahammed Saad]] ([[User talk:Ahammed Saad|talk]]) 18:46, 18 December 2024 (UTC)</del>
::The war does not end but some of them are in power now. [[User:Panam2014|Panam2014]] ([[User talk:Panam2014|talk]]) 01:35, 24 December 2024 (UTC)
::'''Support''' for '''[[Syrian revolutionaries]]'''. [[User:Ahammed Saad|Ahammed Saad]] ([[User talk:Ahammed Saad|talk]]) 03:38, 27 December 2024 (UTC)
:* '''Oppose''' what the current "opposition"? Are they prominent?
:[[User:Beshogur|Beshogur]] ([[User talk:Beshogur|talk]]) 15:03, 20 December 2024 (UTC)
::Did they officially said to cooperate or join with the HTS-led govt?? Also also moving to "Syrian opposition to Bashar al-Assad" doesn't make any sense cause they still exist as rebel groups. Do not move untill they officially give support to the govt. [[User:Ahammed Saad|Ahammed Saad]] ([[User talk:Ahammed Saad|talk]]) 18:18, 20 December 2024 (UTC)
:'''Support''': the Syrian opposition is now in charge of the government, hence they are no longer the opposition. --[[User:Dynamo128|Dynamo128]] ([[User talk:Dynamo128|talk]]) 15:46, 20 December 2024 (UTC)
::@[[User:Dynamo128|Dynamo128]] only one opposition group formed the govt., others didn't join nor officially proclaimed to support & cooperate with the govt. doesn't this means they are still "opposition" (by popular title)? Also, rebel groups often clash with each other. Also we have the cause of [[WP:COMMONNAME]]. What do you think? [[User:Ahammed Saad|Ahammed Saad]] ([[User talk:Ahammed Saad|talk]]) 18:23, 20 December 2024 (UTC)
:::The other groups have not put themselves in opposition to the new government, with the exception of ISIS, so personally I find this to be a superfluous aspect, a technicality. My vote remains to support. --[[User:Dynamo128|Dynamo128]] ([[User talk:Dynamo128|talk]]) 21:00, 20 December 2024 (UTC)

:<small>'''Relisting comment''': Relisting for clearer consensus. [[User:BD2412|<span style="background:gold">'''''BD2412'''''</span>]] [[User talk:BD2412|'''T''']] 03:25, 22 December 2024 (UTC)</small>
:'''Comment''' I believe the title, [[Syrian opposition (2011–2024)]], clearly reflects the time period during which the Syrian opposition emerged and remained active, particularly in connection with the Syrian Civil war. Adding the dates helps readers understand the historical context and distinguishes this movement from any earlier or '''later''' opposition groups in Syria. This change also makes the title more specific and easier to find. [[User:TheBirdsShedTears|TheBirdsShedTears]] ([[User talk:TheBirdsShedTears|talk]]) 12:36, 23 December 2024 (UTC)
:'''Support''': Primarily opposing the Assad regime and the Ba'ath Party. [[User:Valorthal77|Valorthal77]] ([[User talk:Valorthal77|talk]]) 20:10, 24 December 2024 (UTC)
* '''Support''', clearly a distinct topic within the broader concept of an opposition in Syria. Other raised alternatives are also sensible, but any of them is more recognizable and helpful for readers for the topic in question than the current title. [[User:Chipmunkdavis|CMD]] ([[User talk:Chipmunkdavis|talk]]) 09:01, 26 December 2024 (UTC)

:'''Support''' since the proposed title is [[Wikipedia:Updating information|updated]], more [[WP:PRECISE|precise]] and doesnt confuse the readers.
:However, I suggest an alternative title "'''Syrian opposition to the Assad regime'''", which is more smooth and precise. This title can also give relevant information on the broad range of the anti-Ba'athist opposition groups that existed in Syria since the fall of the [[Second Syrian Republic]] in 1963. [[User:Shadowwarrior8|Shadowwarrior8]] ([[User talk:Shadowwarrior8|talk]]) 02:46, 27 December 2024 (UTC)
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== Southern front and the SDF should be added to the map ==

Same as above. [[User:Theofunny|Theofunny]] ([[User talk:Theofunny|talk]]) 18:46, 18 December 2024 (UTC)

:The Southern Front is part of the Southern Operation Room which is ln the map, the SDF isn't an Syrian Opposition group. [[Special:Contributions/77.191.73.185|77.191.73.185]] ([[User talk:77.191.73.185|talk]]) 14:20, 25 December 2024 (UTC)
::You are late. [[User:Theofunny|Theofunny]] ([[User talk:Theofunny|talk]]) 14:22, 25 December 2024 (UTC)

== Move from 3 January ==

: {{re|Footballnerd2007}} Update lead and infobox otherwise move doesn't make sense. [[User:Eurohunter|Eurohunter]] ([[User talk:Eurohunter|talk]]) 10:28, 5 January 2025 (UTC)

Latest revision as of 10:28, 5 January 2025


Map

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Show that Israel has taken control of the DMZ Napoleon583 (talk) 15:25, 8 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Redirect

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Why is Syrian rebel/Syrian rebels redirected to Belligerents in the Syrian civil war? It should be redirected to this article Syrian opposition. ColorfulSmoke (talk) 15:41, 6 March 2021 (UTC)[reply]

Opps, i missed that "Syrian rebels" should not redirect here. ColorfulSmoke (talk) 11:26, 7 March 2021 (UTC)[reply]

Quick question

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@Havsjö: What is a radical Syrian rebel and a moderate Syrian rebel? ColorfulSmoke (talk) 00:22, 25 December 2021 (UTC)[reply]

Name prior to 2012?

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So officially the name of the Syrian opposition is the Syrian Arab Republic, but according to the Syrian Republic disambiguation page, this only started in 2012, a whole year after it was formed. If I had to assume the name from 2011 to 2012 I'd guess it was officially called the Syrian Republic like the disambiguation page implies, but I'm not fully sure as there is no citation. Skrattar du Fölora du (talk) 00:34, 15 May 2022 (UTC)[reply]

Lead too long

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Per MOS:LEAD, lead should ideally be <= 4 paragraphs long. There are lots of small paragraphs that could be merged to meet that. 104.232.119.107 (talk) 03:15, 18 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Map change

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Because of the recent rebel offensive, we should change the map to include the gains made by HTS. LordOfWalruses (talk) 14:53, 30 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]

“Southern Front” control should be added to map

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The territory gained in southern Syria offensive (led by the opposition group “Southern Front”) is currently not shown on the map. This should be changed as soon as possible. LordOfWalruses (talk) 02:48, 7 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]

They are no longer the opposition.

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They now control the government. NesserWiki (talk) 07:39, 8 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]

First paragraph

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The introduction seems to imply that the name "Syrian opposition" only refers to the groups connected to the National Coalition of Syrian Revolutionary and Opposition Forces and its interim government. Shouldn't we specify that a broader definition of the "Syrian opposition" may include Tahrir al-Sham's salvation government ?

An even broader definition may also, unfortunately, include the Islamic state. However, I seldom see them - or the Kurds, for that matter - mentioned as part of the opposition. So we may abstain to mention ISIS in the first paragrapaph. However, I think we should make it more clear that "Syrian opposition" is an umbrella term for an array of movements including, so far, two different governments (which may soon merge with one another, but time will tell). Psychloppos (talk) 15:00, 8 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]

I just rewrote the first paragraph. At first glance, I'd say the article as a whole needs an update. Psychloppos (talk) 21:46, 8 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Yes, I agree with you, same with the "President" and "Prime Minister" on this article they only include the ones of the Interim Government, that's why I removed them, if these are added, tge ones of the Salvation Government should be added too. 77.191.108.115 (talk) 13:06, 9 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Why does the HTS now control all forces of all other Rebel Organizations?

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We need sources to back it up, that HTS controls all of that territory currently displayed on the map, as the Southern Front and Al-Tanf did not relinquich everything they owned DerEchteJoan (talk) 18:58, 8 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]

It must be that somebody mistook the Opposition Forces alltogether on syria.livuamap.com for HTS and made the map totally wrong, some may revert this please? DerEchteJoan (talk) 19:03, 8 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Thank you. DerEchteJoan (talk) 19:26, 8 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Add the SDF Forces to the Map

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The SDF Forces should now be shown on the map for clarification, as the Assad Regime has fallen DerEchteJoan (talk) 16:36, 9 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]

HTS control too extensively shown?

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Don’t the SOR and SFA still exercise some control? If so, why is HTS shown to control all of their territory? LordOfWalruses (talk) 19:41, 9 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Remove the map, change the map, or change the legend.

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The map, in its current form, is extremely unhelpful. The map seems to show the distinction between the civilian administrations that were considered part of the opposition (a seemingly random change from what it was trying to convey a few days ago), while the legend seems to be a weird amalgamation of both civilian administrations and military control. However, the article is now dedicated to the history of the opposition; a map showing the current situation - where they are no longer the opposition - makes no sense. Clydiee (talk) 20:37, 9 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Requested move 13 December 2024

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The following is a closed discussion of a requested move. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made in a new section on the talk page. Editors desiring to contest the closing decision should consider a move review after discussing it on the closer's talk page. No further edits should be made to this discussion.

The result of the move request was: moved. Moved to Syrian opposition to Bashar al-Assad. (non-admin closure) Footballnerd2007 (talk) 11:15, 3 January 2025 (UTC) [reply]

Syrian opposition → Syrian opposition to Bashar al-Assad – update Panam2014 (talk) 17:39, 13 December 2024 (UTC) — Relisting. BD2412 T 03:25, 22 December 2024 (UTC) [reply]

Support as it adds clarity now that some of these factions are no longer in opposition, but in government. Dn9ahx (talk) 21:41, 13 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]
  • Move to Syrian revolutionaries I would personally support a move to Syrian revolutionaries as that's what best describes the forces. Syrian opposition to Bashar al-Assad is a bit too long for the article title imo. Hujjat al-Umari (talk) 16:13, 14 December 2024 (UTC) user was blocked as a sockpuppet Adumbrativus (talk) 20:14, 20 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]
"Syrian revolutionaries" may be an equally broad title. 19:43, 14 December 2024 (UTC)
  • I wonder if "Syrian opposition to the Assad regime" would not be a more adequate title ? Some figures who were involved in organizations like the Syrian national coalition seem to have been around for quite a long time, so that may also include the Hafez el-Assad era. Psychloppos (talk) 19:43, 14 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Somewhat support: I think a better and simpler title would be "Anti-Assad opposition" Ilhamnobi (talk) 17:40, 17 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Support move to Syrian revolutionaries as per Hujjat al-Umari. Theofunny (talk) 18:44, 18 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Ahammed Saad (talk) 18:46, 18 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]
The war does not end but some of them are in power now. Panam2014 (talk) 01:35, 24 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Support for Syrian revolutionaries. Ahammed Saad (talk) 03:38, 27 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]
  • Oppose what the current "opposition"? Are they prominent?
Beshogur (talk) 15:03, 20 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Did they officially said to cooperate or join with the HTS-led govt?? Also also moving to "Syrian opposition to Bashar al-Assad" doesn't make any sense cause they still exist as rebel groups. Do not move untill they officially give support to the govt. Ahammed Saad (talk) 18:18, 20 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Support: the Syrian opposition is now in charge of the government, hence they are no longer the opposition. --Dynamo128 (talk) 15:46, 20 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]
@Dynamo128 only one opposition group formed the govt., others didn't join nor officially proclaimed to support & cooperate with the govt. doesn't this means they are still "opposition" (by popular title)? Also, rebel groups often clash with each other. Also we have the cause of WP:COMMONNAME. What do you think? Ahammed Saad (talk) 18:23, 20 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]
The other groups have not put themselves in opposition to the new government, with the exception of ISIS, so personally I find this to be a superfluous aspect, a technicality. My vote remains to support. --Dynamo128 (talk) 21:00, 20 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Relisting comment: Relisting for clearer consensus. BD2412 T 03:25, 22 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Comment I believe the title, Syrian opposition (2011–2024), clearly reflects the time period during which the Syrian opposition emerged and remained active, particularly in connection with the Syrian Civil war. Adding the dates helps readers understand the historical context and distinguishes this movement from any earlier or later opposition groups in Syria. This change also makes the title more specific and easier to find. TheBirdsShedTears (talk) 12:36, 23 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Support: Primarily opposing the Assad regime and the Ba'ath Party. Valorthal77 (talk) 20:10, 24 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]
  • Support, clearly a distinct topic within the broader concept of an opposition in Syria. Other raised alternatives are also sensible, but any of them is more recognizable and helpful for readers for the topic in question than the current title. CMD (talk) 09:01, 26 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Support since the proposed title is updated, more precise and doesnt confuse the readers.
However, I suggest an alternative title "Syrian opposition to the Assad regime", which is more smooth and precise. This title can also give relevant information on the broad range of the anti-Ba'athist opposition groups that existed in Syria since the fall of the Second Syrian Republic in 1963. Shadowwarrior8 (talk) 02:46, 27 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]
The discussion above is closed. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page. No further edits should be made to this discussion.

Southern front and the SDF should be added to the map

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Same as above. Theofunny (talk) 18:46, 18 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]

The Southern Front is part of the Southern Operation Room which is ln the map, the SDF isn't an Syrian Opposition group. 77.191.73.185 (talk) 14:20, 25 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]
You are late. Theofunny (talk) 14:22, 25 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Move from 3 January

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@Footballnerd2007: Update lead and infobox otherwise move doesn't make sense. Eurohunter (talk) 10:28, 5 January 2025 (UTC)[reply]
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