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Sorry

Should have checked more closely before I undid that revision. Asdklf; (talk) 03:28, 20 January 2016 (UTC)

@Asdklf;: No worries there. With so many guidelines that Wikipedia has, it's normal to get mixed up once in a while. _dk (talk) 04:59, 20 January 2016 (UTC)

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Possible copyright infringement issue

Hey dk, you might want to take a look at this message. I suggest we let the person (an old friend of ours) who uploaded these images answer to GJCM. LDS _{contact me} 08:10, 29 February 2016 (UTC)

@Lds: I notice that GJCM has contacted the user in question on their talk page, and a solution seems to be reached. For what it's worth, GJCM cannot claim copyright for historical images in the public domain, so the user was well within their rights to upload them to the Commons, though attribution to GJCM would have been nice. _dk (talk) 16:57, 29 February 2016 (UTC)

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Death poem Moriya Sen'an jisei kanji

If you have a question concerning the source of the kanji jisei, you should tag it with "". The source is not canonical, [1] but it was the only source I found for the kanji. If you claim to have "come across many versions of this poem but haven't seen one online that matches", then you should replace that, with the citation instead of just deleting it. NotaBene 鹰百利 ^Talk 17:13, 10 March 2016 (UTC)

@N0TABENE:I wasn't exactly doubting the source for the kanji, just that kanji did not match the pronunciation given by the romanization below. It seems that the romanization was incorrect in the first place. _dk (talk) 23:15, 10 March 2016 (UTC)

Then do you have a more accurate rendering that can be added to the article? I have not been able to locate another source, nor an image of the original calligraphy 書道. You mentioned that you had seen other 日本語 versions. NotaBene 鹰百利 ^Talk 23:56, 10 March 2016 (UTC)

In addition to the one that I just added to the article, the other versions include われ死なば 酒屋の甕の下に埋めてよ せめて滴のもりやせんもし (the one that I said didn't match, but is the most common online), 我死なば酒屋の瓶の下に置け 割れてこぼれてもしかかるかに, 我死なば酒屋の庭の桶の下割れて雫の漏りやせんもし, all variations of the same theme: bury me under a jar/bucket of a tavern. _dk (talk) 01:24, 11 March 2016 (UTC)

Works for me. ありがとうございました NotaBene 鹰百利 ^Talk 04:37, 11 March 2016 (UTC)

Hello

hello , I wanna ask a question if at BC.200 Turkish population was 250-300K , how could they join the war with 400K+ warrior ? xD — Preceding unsigned comment added by Source7123 (talk • contribs)

• @Source7123:

1. Who said the Xiongnu were Turkish?
2. Even if they were, who said the Turkish population was that number?

The number that you repeatedly tried to change was adequately sourced, and the actual passage in the source provides a reasoning for that number. For your benefit, I shall quote it below:

Modern research reveals that the Hsiung-nu in early Former Han times controlled a territory of more than 2 million square miles and a population of more than 3.5 million. At the same time, the Han territory was about 1.5 million square miles and had a population of over 14 million. Thus, while the Hsiung-nu population was only a quarter of the Han, their territory was actually larger than that of the Han by 500,000 square miles. [...] Furthermore, as conditioned by their nomadic lifestyle, every able-bodied Hsiung-nu man was a fighting cavalryman - a natural soldier riding and shooting on horseback - and there were at least 500,000 of them. That is why in the decisive P'ing-ch'eng battle the Hsiung-nu forces outnumbered the Han forces 400,000 to 320,000.

— The rise of the Chinese Empire / Chun-shu Chang, p. 158

If you want to continue reverting me and not get blocked, at least back up your numbers with sources that actually exist and not made up on the spot. _dk (talk) 19:35, 7 April 2016 (UTC)

Sorry Im from Palermo so English isnt my native language. Whatever this war happened with Turks vs. chinese also Modu was first turkish nationalist person and I know every nomad mudt be ready to war everytime . also at BC.200's world population were 300.mil (National Geopgraphic) so how can a nomad nation's population can be 14 million ? now Turkmen population is 10-15million even . I guess you're chinese person but Im not racist . whatever with 40K or 400K , Turks were stronger than Chinese , everytime , turks are barbaric , chineses are cultured . Whatever if you can teach me something about Chinese Food . this will be so gentlemanly :) , Have Nice Days Source7123 (talk) 10:53, 8 April 2016 (UTC)

You misread, China's population was 14 mil at the time while Xiongnu had 3.5 mil. I am not interested in ethnic comparisons, but I always like dim sum. _dk (talk) 15:44, 8 April 2016 (UTC)

Shuangyu

Thanks for writing this interesting article! I've nominated it for DYK, see nomination page. I'm sure lots of people will be happy to discover a gem like this, as I did! Cheers, -Zanhe (talk) 06:22, 17 April 2016 (UTC)

@Zanhe: Thanks for the nomination! Always a pleasure to have knowledgeable people like you stumble upon my articles, more so that you like it enough to nominate it :) I guess I should hurry up and get the finishing touches done, lol. _dk (talk) 06:48, 17 April 2016 (UTC)

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DYK for Shuangyu

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Template:Infobox Chinese/Sinhalese

Please help to create my language

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Pasindu ^{(✉ • ✐ • ✍)} 14:23, 24 April 2016 (UTC)

@පසිඳු කාවින්ද: To be honest I'm not quite sure what Sinhalese has to do with Chinese. In any case I am not the person to ask since I have little experience with infoboxes, I simply saw your edit caused a problem and had to revert it. _dk (talk) 00:52, 25 April 2016 (UTC)

New Qing History

p. 400 The concept of universal rulership under the Mongols and Manchus has long formed a central element in understanding imperial rule during therse "conquest dynasties."..... Less carefully examined have been the identities adopted by Ming emperors...often-acrimonious conflicts between the emperor and his civil bureaucracy over the Son of Heaven's proper role.....Ming emperors and their intimates bitterly contested this narrowing of the ruler's identity..... p. 367-368 An oft-repeated passage that appeared with slight variation in many Ming and Qing-period documents would suggest a clear rejection of the Mongols.......AS many studies have shown, this strand of rhetoric and policy did not comprehend the full complexity of the early Ming court's attitudes toward the Yuan legacy....the Ming dynasty was in many ways a true successor to the Great Yuan ulusRajmaan (talk) 08:54, 5 May 2016 (UTC)

I see that it is your modus operandi to dump sources and quotations in articles and talk pages without further elaboration, but I still have no idea how Ming's attitude is relevant to the New Qing History article. _dk (talk) 10:45, 5 May 2016 (UTC)

p. 400 "The concept of universal rulership under the Mongols and Manchus has long formed a central element in understanding imperial rule during these "conquest dynasties."..... Less carefully examined have been the identities adopted by Ming emperors" It is relevant because its mentioned right in the source. The claim by new qing history that the Manchus practiced universal leadership as a feature of a "conquest dynasty" as opposed to Han dynasties which allegedly did not, when that is in fact not the case.Rajmaan (talk) 18:27, 21 May 2016 (UTC)

@Rajmaan: I believe the issue of universal leadership is not the main focus of the New Qing History school, which focuses on Qing's Manchu identity as opposed to the traditional view that conquest dynasties became sinicized during their rule. The observation about the lack of studies on nature of Ming rulership is a valid one, but it should not be construed as an implied attack or criticism of the studies of the New Qing History. We should continue on the article's talk page so other editors versed in the area can join in. _dk (talk) 20:16, 21 May 2016 (UTC)

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Hi, I saw you reverting my edit at Wikipedia talk:WikiProject Hong Kong, where I removed a section of the talk page. Well, sorry if I didn't made this clear in the edit summary--just to let you know that there's no someone else here. Wishds was my former Wikipedia username, an abbreviation of my name (you'll find its a redirect to my user page if you clicked in the link). I will note on my user page this former name, in case of something like this happening again. Happy editing! Wishva de Silva (talk) 13:07, 4 July 2016 (UTC)

@Wishva de Silva: Oh, that's good to hear. Sorry for my sloppy revert! _dk (talk) 17:58, 4 July 2016 (UTC)

There do seem to be some misconceptions

but most of them are on your end. When you have the time, you can browse Chinese postal romanization for "Canton". It was translingual, not English-specific. See also WP:READER and kindly reflect on how spending your time removing helpful links is helping anyone or anything.

Now, that said, though it's contentious, it does seem likely the Portuguese transliterated the provincial name instead, so it does bear some tweaking. — LlywelynII 16:10, 13 July 2016 (UTC)

@LlywelynII: Your points are well taken. I was going to say more, but your post on the talk page of Guangzhou took the words out of my mouth. Good editing. _dk (talk) 22:33, 13 July 2016 (UTC)

You're welcome. In other news, you're completely correct about the general need to use English and shunt Chinese characters into parentheticals, infoboxes, or other articles. Chinese abbreviations are an exception. It's explicitly about the character, as drawn, itself and not any romanization, pronunciation, or other form of it. Shanghai isn't a perfect article (the alt names aren't bolded and the Name section has an overly verbose name) but it gets the idea across: most of the names are English (Chinese) but the abbreviation is just the symbol itself. — LlywelynII 14:01, 17 July 2016 (UTC)

@LlywelynII: Here is where I don't agree. The manual of style for China-related articles clearly says "The use of italics and bold text is to be avoided with Chinese characters, as it tends to make them less legible" and also "non-English insertions should minimize interruption to the flow of reading. They should always be put within parentheses, as if they were call-outs not part of the sentence." We cannot leave a character unpronounceable to the English readership dangling in the sentence. It's also not the case that the abbreviation doesn't get pronounced. I would suggest dealing with the abbreviation as if it's an alternative name and if Shanghai has the same issue, that it be changed there as well. Regards. _dk (talk) 21:51, 17 July 2016 (UTC)

But again, we can and we should in this case. The glyph at Prince (musician) is in the running text and bolded... because the unpronounceable glyph is itself what is being discussed. The situation is exactly parallel here. The symbol isn't being read as an alternative name but functions as shorthand that just means and can be read "Guangzhou". Ditto Hu and Shanghai. I do understand your objection in general (hell, I agree with the policy in general and the formatting of all the other Chinese names at Guangzhou and Shanghai) and understand if you want to wait for a discussion at the MOS, but I would hope you could understand how this is an exception once you think about it. It's not Sui that's the abbreviation, but the character itself.

Now, that said, it's a matter of opinion whether the bolding makes it less legible. I think it looks fine but maybe it causes problems for users on mobile phones? These abbreviations might themselves be an exception to the idea of bolding the alt names. — LlywelynII 01:03, 18 July 2016 (UTC)

@LlywelynII: 穗 does get pronounced, but as "Sui" and not as "Guangzhou". I don't see how it is parallel to Prince's glyph - he deliberately made a symbol for himself that cannot be pronounced. So yes, I still don't agree, but I will not edit war about it. _dk (talk) 03:49, 18 July 2016 (UTC)

Hong Kong

Hey Underbar, quick question: does this edit follow the reference (Barber)? I noticed you changed some dates and wanted to know if the source supported it. All the best, Airplaneman ✈ 02:36, 5 August 2016 (UTC)

@Airplaneman: I honestly have not seen the Barber source, though I notice it's an almanac for young adults. I've replaced that cite with an academic source about the Haijin. Thanks. _dk (talk) 03:13, 5 August 2016 (UTC)

Awesome! Cheers, Airplaneman ✈ 03:14, 5 August 2016 (UTC)

Read

Over 75 percent of americans have never and will never play Pokemon Go. I thought the article should reflect that. People reading the article would get the mistaken impression that everyone in the country plays it when that's not even close to being true. TimeaMese7w98 (talk) 15:53, 7 August 2016 (UTC)

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