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== Jewish ==
Is she? <small>—Preceding [[Wikipedia:Signatures|unsigned]] comment added by [[Special:Contributions/69.120.93.246|69.120.93.246]] ([[User talk:69.120.93.246|talk]]) 14:54, 31 January 2008 (UTC)</small><!-- Template:UnsignedIP --> <!--Autosigned by SineBot-->
:Apparently not. ;-) [[Special:Contributions/64.142.90.34|64.142.90.34]] ([[User talk:64.142.90.34|talk]]) 09:57, 9 March 2008 (UTC)

== Picture ==
someone should put up a picture of her...she's a nice looking woman

== her real Name ? ==

are there more details about her name ? I mean, according to the article, her real name is Katherine von Drachenberg, while her father is named René Drachenberg. Where does the "von" come from ? Or is her real name just Katherine Drachenberg, without the "von" ? Also, it would be interesting to know, if she has some german ancestors, because Drachenberg is a german Name (translated into english the name means Dragon-Mountain) --[[User:87.177.223.142|87.177.223.142]] 22:53, 30 March 2007 (UTC)
:::Her father is of german ancestry,but born in Argentina. <span style="font-size: smaller;" class="autosigned">—Preceding [[Wikipedia:Signatures|unsigned]] comment added by [[Special:Contributions/84.216.32.118|84.216.32.118]] ([[User talk:84.216.32.118|talk]]) 09:33, 25 May 2009 (UTC)</span><!-- Template:UnsignedIP --> <!--Autosigned by SineBot-->
::::Perhaps it helps to clear the about European "von", "van", "de" and sorts. They are not part of the name, but represent a suffix showing nobel ancestry. While some countries in Europe remain monarchies, most of them are republics today - and thus have no legal nobility any more. In Germany it's costumary to write the "von"/"zu" before the actual name in the passports, but if asked for the family name itself the prefixes are not mentioned. So, Katherine's name is very certainly Drachenberg, whether the "von" is an real prefix or part of the artistic persona, is her's to disclose. I hope, I could help unravel the mixup. --[[Special:Contributions/92.231.35.17|92.231.35.17]] ([[User talk:92.231.35.17|talk]]) 00:35, 2 September 2011 (UTC)

:::::Kat Von D has given her name as '''Katherine von Drachenberg''' in two German interviews; (translation): ''Süddeutsche Zeitung'': "Kat, your surname is von Drachenberg. That is a German name..." Kat von D: "Yes, there is a castle 'von Drachenberg' somewhere in South Germany, which is owned by some of my relatives. I've got a postcard, but I was never there." & ''Der Spiegel'': "Kat von D is the abbreviation of Katherine von Drachenberg..." Kat von D: "Yes, my father's mother is German. Somewhere in South Germany there is a castle with this name..." http://www.sueddeutsche.de/panorama/taetowiererin-kat-von-d-sie-geht-unter-die-haut-1.523622 & http://www.spiegel.de/kultur/gesellschaft/0,1518,525758,00.html --[[User:IIIraute|IIIraute]] ([[User talk:IIIraute|talk]]) 12:12, 26 January 2012 (UTC)

::::::There is no castle Drachenberg in Germany, especially not in Southern Germany. There is a villa called Drachenburg, that looks like a castle, in Northrhine-Westphalia, it was however built in the 1880ies for a man called Stephan Sarter, who bought the gentry title of Freiherr von Sarter after making a fortune in the stock exchange. The entertainment section of the respectable Frankfurter Rundschau reports, that she claims her 'ancesters' have been seated there... Stephan vn Sarter was neither noble, nor called 'von Drachenberg'. There is no known Drachenberg family in the German nobiliaries, which are all accessible per internet. I believe it's fair to say, someone added this lore to make her and her supposed German ancestry seem more interesting, but none of it checks out. --[[Special:Contributions/92.194.118.176|92.194.118.176]] ([[User talk:92.194.118.176|talk]]) 02:56, 17 February 2017 (UTC)

::::::Yes, these quotes have been in this article for quite some time now and the various editors who have worked on this have been aware of them. In neither quote does she say, "My father's name is von Drachenberg." All she says is that her father's mother is German. That's all. And aside from the fact that whether the castle genuinely is owned by relatives &mdash; a claim needs to be independently confirmed &mdash; her own bio on her own official site gives the family name as simply Drachenberg. --[[User:Tenebrae|Tenebrae]] ([[User talk:Tenebrae|talk]]) 15:00, 26 January 2012 (UTC)

:::::::...are you able to read? In the Spiegel when asked: "Kat von D is the abbreviation of Katherine von Drachenberg..."? she answered: "Yes, my father's mother is German. Somewhere in South Germany there is a castle with this name...". So when asked "is it von Drachenberg", she said "YES". However, the bio you are talking about was written "as told by one who knows her", in this case, Kore Flatmo. Apart from that, it is very common for German aristocratic families to not use their "von" in public, for example Richard Weizsäcker, Otto Solms, etc. --[[Special:Contributions/89.204.152.55|89.204.152.55]] ([[User talk:89.204.152.55|talk]]) 15:38, 26 January 2012 (UTC)--[[User:IIIraute|IIIraute]] ([[User talk:IIIraute|talk]]) 15:44, 26 January 2012 (UTC)
::::::::Strictly speaking, she does ''not'' answer the question. She doesn't reply with "Yes, that's my name." She affirms that her father's mother is German, but she does not confirm that Kat von D is an abbreviation of Katherine von Drachenberg. [[User:A man alone| a_man_alone]] ([[User talk:A man alone|talk]]) 15:48, 26 January 2012 (UTC)

:::::::::Exactly so. You have two editors who feel you are misreading the quote. --[[User:Tenebrae|Tenebrae]] ([[User talk:Tenebrae|talk]]) 15:51, 26 January 2012 (UTC)

::::::::::The "Focus" newspaper writes that her real name is "von" Drachenberg http://www.focus.de/fotos/die-taetowiererin-kat-von-d-eigentlich-katherine-von-drachenberg_mid_982147.html, so does IMDb http://www.imdb.com/name/nm2507879/ --[[User:IIIraute|IIIraute]] ([[User talk:IIIraute|talk]]) 15:57, 26 January 2012 (UTC)

:::::::::::Focus: "Die Tätowiererin Kat von D, eigentlich Katherine von Drachenberg..." and Mediagroup RP: "Der volle Name von Kat von D. deutet auf ihre deutschen Wurzeln: Sie heißt Katherine von Drachenberg..." http://www.rp-online.de/gesellschaft/leute/schrill-und-schoen-kat-von-drachenberg-1.2017518 --[[User:IIIraute|IIIraute]] ([[User talk:IIIraute|talk]]) 16:04, 26 January 2012 (UTC)
::::::::::::IMDB is not a reliable source, and I'm not sure of the status of foreign language sources either - especially when I don't speak the language in question, but I'm willing to listen to others better in the know over that one. [[User:A man alone| a_man_alone]] ([[User talk:A man alone|talk]]) 16:06, 26 January 2012 (UTC)

:::::::::::::Focus is a German weekly news magazine distributed throughout Germany. It is the third-largest weekly news magazine in Germany with a circulation of ca. 750,000. The Rheinische Post is a major German regional daily newspaper, published since 1946 with an average circulation of about 400,000. --[[User:IIIraute|IIIraute]] ([[User talk:IIIraute|talk]]) 16:13, 26 January 2012 (UTC)

::::::::::::::The German noble family, barons "von Drachenberg" did exist: http://books.google.de/books?id=SJpDAAAAYAAJ&pg=PA229&dq=von+drachenberg++adel&hl=de&sa=X&ei=W4IhT_DxJpGvtAbhu-WnBw&ved=0CEcQ6AEwBA#v=onepage&q=von%20drachenberg%20%20adel&f=false; http://books.google.de/books?id=2EtBAAAAcAAJ&pg=PA504&dq=von+drachenberg+baron&hl=de&sa=X&ei=OoMhT_vxDYHEsgbu89jwBw&ved=0CDYQ6AEwAQ#v=onepage&q=von%20drachenberg%20baron&f=false; http://books.google.de/books?id=rpFDAAAAcAAJ&pg=PA47&dq=von+drachenberg+baron&hl=de&sa=X&ei=OoMhT_vxDYHEsgbu89jwBw&ved=0CFMQ6AEwBw#v=onepage&q=von%20drachenberg%20baron&f=false --[[User:IIIraute|IIIraute]] ([[User talk:IIIraute|talk]]) 16:49, 26 January 2012 (UTC)

None of that means that it's ''her father's''' name; old-world affectations are often dropped by immigrants in the new world. In her official bio, which she approved, she give her father's name without the "von." You are pushing a POV interpretation that multiple editors, ''including'' the one who added these non-English-language sources, do not agree with, and have blithely [[WP:EDITWAR|edit-warred]] to the point of [[WP:3RR]] to "get your way" on a non-consensus edit. I can see you're going to force this into a long and contentions RfC. --[[User:Tenebrae|Tenebrae]] ([[User talk:Tenebrae|talk]]) 18:43, 26 January 2012 (UTC)

:There are several sources where Kat Von D says that it is her name; there are major newspapers that very clearly state that "von Drachenberg" is her name.... so why don't you bring a source in which she, or some newspaper, etc. does claim that it is not her name? --[[User:IIIraute|IIIraute]] ([[User talk:IIIraute|talk]]) 19:30, 26 January 2012 (UTC)

::We can't prove that someone ''didn't'' say something; we can only prove what they ''did'' say. What you're asking is like saying, "Prove the Loch Ness monster doesn't exist." All one can do is prove whether it does. Otherwise, we accept that it doesn't exist.

::She says in her official bio, by her approval of it by placing it on her official site, that her father's name is simply Drachenberg. --[[User:Tenebrae|Tenebrae]] ([[User talk:Tenebrae|talk]]) 20:10, 26 January 2012 (UTC)

:::While you are searching, trying to prove YOUR POV, let me help ypu with some US sources: NYpost:"...Von D, whose real name is Katherine von Drachenberg..."http://www.nypost.com/p/pagesix/another_relationship_ends_for_jesse_ok6ZNisK1exZ89dq6NrGLN - or maybe, CBSnews: "...Von D (whose real name is Katherine Von Drachenberg)"http://www.cbsnews.com/8301-31749_162-20083408-10391698.html - or the DailyMail: "...Kat, real name Katherine Von Drachenberg..."http://www.dailymail.co.uk/tvshowbiz/article-1303687/Jesse-James-enjoys-dinner-reality-star-Kat-Von-D.html etc, etc.--[[User:IIIraute|IIIraute]] ([[User talk:IIIraute|talk]]) 20:11, 26 January 2012 (UTC)

::::We already say in the lead that she has given her name as Katherine von Drachenberg. She can call herself whatever she wants. That's her right. People change their names all the time. But that ''doesn't'' mean that that is her father's name, which ''she'' gives as Drachenberg. I'm sure you understand that a child and a parent don't have to have the same last name.--[[User:Tenebrae|Tenebrae]] ([[User talk:Tenebrae|talk]]) 20:16, 26 January 2012 (UTC)

:::::Stick to secondary sources - I have given lots of them. There are major US media-networks that claim that "Katherine von Drachenberg" is her name. What you are doing, is speculating and not quoting on sources.--[[User:IIIraute|IIIraute]] ([[User talk:IIIraute|talk]]) 20:27, 26 January 2012 (UTC)
:::::She also says that the Drachenberg castle is owned by her relatives, doesn't she? And again, you are speculating whether or not the castle is genuinely owned by her relatives. Stop speculating and stick to the sources.--[[User:IIIraute|IIIraute]] ([[User talk:IIIraute|talk]]) 20:50, 26 January 2012 (UTC)

::::::Superlative claims require superlative sourcing. Claiming that your family owns a castle requires more than her word for it. No journalist would accept a claim like that on face value, and an encyclopedia should not have lower standards than journalism.

::::::And we're not talking about the castle or what she gives as her name. You keep confusing the issue. We're talking ''only'' about the name of her ''father'', which she herself gives only as Drachenberg.

::::::You are actually the one speculating, drawing inferences from the name of a castle and other things. I, however, am not speculating when I say that she herself, in her official bio, gives her father's name as Drachenberg.

::::::Would you please stop talking about castles that may or may not be her family's, or what name she has given for herself. We're only talking about the name of her ''father'', which her official bio gives as Drachenberg. Can we please address this one issue only. --[[User:Tenebrae|Tenebrae]] ([[User talk:Tenebrae|talk]]) 20:56, 26 January 2012 (UTC)

:::::::Ok, so I guess we better now change the article to Katherine von Drachenberg. Since, nowhere in her bio she claims that her name is Katherine Drachenberg, but there are dozens of official sources that state that her name is "von Drachenberg".--[[User:IIIraute|IIIraute]] ([[User talk:IIIraute|talk]]) 21:01, 26 January 2012 (UTC)

:::::::Any objections? Where did that "Katherine Drachenberg" come from anyway? and why is owning a castle a superlative claim? my family also owns a castle. STOP your journalism and stick to secondary sources!--[[User:IIIraute|IIIraute]] ([[User talk:IIIraute|talk]]) 21:14, 26 January 2012 (UTC)
:[[wp:point|Objection]]. [[User:A man alone| a_man_alone]] ([[User talk:A man alone|talk]]) 21:21, 26 January 2012 (UTC)

::That is your POV. Where are your sources?--[[User:IIIraute|IIIraute]] ([[User talk:IIIraute|talk]]) 21:28, 26 January 2012 (UTC)

:::Where in her bio does it say that "Katherine Drachenberg" is her name?
Even though not relevant, all other wikipedia articles give her name as "Katherine von Drachenberg", so do countless secondary sources. Where does the claim of "Katherine Drachenberg" as her name come from?--[[User:IIIraute|IIIraute]] ([[User talk:IIIraute|talk]]) 21:55, 26 January 2012 (UTC)

::::That should finally answer all doubts: the official US-government documents from the "United States Patent and Trademark Office" that prove that her real name of birth is "KATHERINE VON DRACHENBERG". http://tdr.uspto.gov/search.action?sn=85049892#; please see her application for the trademark of "Kat Von D": http://tdr.uspto.gov/jsp/DocumentViewPage.jsp?85049892/APP20100531102050/Application/4/27-May-2010/sn/false#p=1 (see pages 1, 3 & 4). So no more speculating - no more POV! The article can now be changed to "Katherine von Drachenberg".--[[User:IIIraute|IIIraute]] ([[User talk:IIIraute|talk]]) 10:21, 27 January 2012 (UTC)

::Genuine blue-blooded "von Drachenberg" stem from the Dragollovicz Edle von Drachenberg from what is Hungary today. There is no castle Drachenberg in Germany but a Drachenburg in the Rhineland which has never been owned or settled by a Drachenberg family. KvD is obviously not well educated in geography. <small class="autosigned">—&nbsp;Preceding [[Wikipedia:Signatures|unsigned]] comment added by [[Special:Contributions/92.77.42.56|92.77.42.56]] ([[User talk:92.77.42.56|talk]]) 10:24, 5 August 2015 (UTC)</small><!-- Template:Unsigned IP --> <!--Autosigned by SineBot-->

Just for reference: United States public records (which can be viewed on familysearch.org) show Katherine B. Drachenberg (also Peck), b. 8 March 1982, resident in North Hollywood, California in 2007/ 8, as well as a marriage record for Katherine Bet Drachenberg and Oliver William Peck on 8 March 2004 in Nevada. Thus, evidently, her legal name does not incorporate the 'von'. <small class="autosigned">—&nbsp;Preceding [[Wikipedia:Signatures|unsigned]] comment added by [[Special:Contributions/92.24.34.114|92.24.34.114]] ([[User talk:92.24.34.114|talk]]) 00:49, 31 March 2016 (UTC)</small><!-- Template:Unsigned IP --> <!--Autosigned by SineBot-->

== Tattoos ==

How do people get a tat from Kat? :-D

Go to the high voltage website, you can sign up for a tattoo off camera, If you want to do it on-camera go to the website of the station that her show is on (TLC I think). <span style="font-size: smaller;" class="autosigned">—Preceding [[Wikipedia:Signatures|unsigned]] comment added by [[Special:Contributions/206.72.100.2|206.72.100.2]] ([[User talk:206.72.100.2|talk]]) 15:16, 14 August 2009 (UTC)</span><!-- Template:UnsignedIP --> <!--Autosigned by SineBot-->

-Maria <small>—The preceding [[Wikipedia:Sign your posts on talk pages|unsigned]] comment was added by [[Special:Contributions/4.153.29.65|4.153.29.65]] ([[User talk:4.153.29.65|talk]]) 03:37, 10 April 2007 (UTC).</small><!-- HagermanBot Auto-Unsigned -->

:Every episode gives instructions for applying to get a tattoo on the show. <small>—Preceding [[Wikipedia:Signatures|unsigned]] comment added by [[Special:Contributions/12.146.184.9|12.146.184.9]] ([[User talk:12.146.184.9|talk]]) 13:42, 10 October 2007 (UTC)</small><!-- Template:UnsignedIP --> <!--Autosigned by SineBot-->

== Divorce ==

I believe that she and Oliver Peck are now divorced. [[User:209.74.0.248|209.74.0.248]] 03:52, 4 July 2007 (UTC)

Is there any source of this? I've looked around the net and found nothing saying they were divorced. It seems that they may be in the process of getting divorced, but I haven't found anything stating they are.

She discusses it somewhere during an interview with Tom Green currently on her myspace,

http://profile.myspace.com/index.cfm?fuseaction=user.viewprofile&friendid=554683&MyToken=6b8ade61-db4d-4dae-a2ea-be6ff4d13d8d

and on Green's blog,

http://tomgreen.com/blog/

She says in the opening of her show "I'm single now..."

:And, for what it's worth, her MySpace profile says singleSeaphoto 04:12, 31 August 2007 (UTC)

She straight up said she was single on one of the first (if not the first) episode of LA Ink. I heard it from her lips! --[[User:Nahallac Silverwinds|Naha]]|<sup>[[User talk:Nahallac Silverwinds|(talk)]]</sup> 04:14, 31 August 2007 (UTC)

She is no longer dating Orbi! They split, and now she is seeing Nikki Sixx and claims she has never been so in love. Check out her myspace picures for proof. 3/7/08 sarah s

MySpace is gossip, guys. She may be proclaiming to the world that he "owns her heart", but
it's still gossip, whether there are pictures or not. We all know they're together, but until
it meets Wiki's source standards, it should be left out. [[User:Sugarnova|Sugarnova]] ([[User talk:Sugarnova|talk]]) 13:52, 27 March 2008 (UTC)

==Ethnic identity==

People have been inserting everything from "Mexican" and "Mexican-American" to "Argentinian-American" here. Barring some statement from her about what she would like to be identified, I think the following are in order from least to most true:

#Mexican
#Mexican-American
#


There is currently a discussion on the talk-page of [[list of vegans]] that Kat Von D has given up veganism [https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Talk:List_of_vegans#Kat_Von_D] and if she should be removed from the list and if her Wikipedia article should be updated. [[User:Psychologist Guy|Psychologist Guy]] ([[User talk:Psychologist Guy|talk]]) 13:48, 18 August 2023 (UTC)
:Agreed, despite her last name, however the hell it's pronounced anyway, she is certainly '''not''' german and is most definitely Mexican.[[Special:Contributions/124.176.222.19|124.176.222.19]] ([[User talk:124.176.222.19|talk]]) 10:13, 22 July 2012 (UTC)


== Salvation ==
Two things; Mexican and German aren't mutually exclusive, there are Mexican people of German descent. And two, is Kat Von D Mexican? Her parents were missionaries from Argentina, so she may have just been born in Mexico while they were there, she may never have been a Mexican citizen. <small class="autosigned">—&nbsp;Preceding [[Wikipedia:Signatures|unsigned]] comment added by [[Special:Contributions/68.81.75.121|68.81.75.121]] ([[User talk:68.81.75.121|talk]]) 21:17, 29 December 2015 (UTC)</small><!-- Template:Unsigned IP --> <!--Autosigned by SineBot-->


Glad to hear you received Jesus Christ as your Savior. Lifting you up in Prayer. [[Special:Contributions/172.59.168.250|172.59.168.250]] ([[User talk:172.59.168.250|talk]]) 10:50, 10 October 2023 (UTC)
==Jesse James cheating==
I'm not clear on how a statement from Kat Von D about James cheating on her could be removed on the basis of it being "tabloidery". This seems to be a misunderstanding about what a tabloid is. They are papers that release rumors without adequate sourcing. The statement from Kat Von D is a direct quote from her that was reported on in multiple reliable sources. It adds important context to their relationship and I feel it should be included. - [[User:Maximusveritas|Maximusveritas]] ([[User talk:Maximusveritas|talk]]) 19:24, 28 April 2013 (UTC)
:Tabloidery extends to all sorts of unencyclopedic material, especially that catering to voyeuristic interest in the more salacious details of celebrity romance and sexuality. It is impossible to square the inclusion of one party's wholly unverified, thoroughly tawdry accusations against a former sexual partner with WP:BLP's strict requirements. [[User:Hullaballoo Wolfowitz|Hullaballoo Wolfowitz]] ([[User talk:Hullaballoo Wolfowitz|talk]]) 02:58, 1 May 2013 (UTC)
::So does that mean we should remove all the discussion of alleged affairs from [[Bill Clinton]]'s page? The references there are even more salacious and unverified ("Kathleen Willey alleged Clinton groped her in a hallway in 1993") without adding any context to the article. There's nothing in WP:BLP that would prohibit this in my opinion. In fact, it gives the following example: "Example: A politician is alleged to have had an affair. He or she denies it, but multiple major newspapers publish the allegations, and there is a public scandal. The allegation belongs in the biography, citing those sources. However, it should only state that the politician was alleged to have had the affair, not that he actually did." The only question in my mind is whether this is noteworthy enough and I feel that it is given that there are multiple reliable 3rd party sources reporting it and that it provides important context into the nature of their split. - [[User:Maximusveritas|Maximusveritas]] ([[User talk:Maximusveritas|talk]]) 04:01, 1 May 2013 (UTC)


== Bibliography section ==
== love triangle ==


[[Kat Von D]], [[Jesse James (television personality)]] , [[Sandra Bullock]]
Kat has written 3 books so I believe someone should add a section devoted to her bibliography... <small><span class="autosigned">— Preceding [[Wikipedia:Signatures|unsigned]] comment added by [[User:Iammaal|Iammaal]] ([[User talk:Iammaal|talk]] • [[Special:Contributions/Iammaal|contribs]]) 21:57, 18 July 2013 (UTC)</span></small><!-- Template:Unsigned --> <!--Autosigned by SineBot-->


[[Special:Contributions/98.248.161.240|98.248.161.240]] ([[User talk:98.248.161.240|talk]]) 14:28, 9 September 2024 (UTC)
'''Makeup line'''
Kat von D's makeup line has had quite an impact on the makeup community. Should someone ad a section about her line, where it's sold, and what she stands for? She doesn't simply support veganism, she has come up with many creative ways to produce products that are vegan friendly and cruelty free. I know she has successfully come out with an entire line of products that are pretty popular in Sephora and on her brand's website. I think those would be good things to discuss and include on her biography page.
[[User:Estewart97|Estewart97]] ([[User talk:Estewart97|talk]]) 17:05, 2 February 2017 (UTC)

Latest revision as of 05:15, 20 October 2024

Kat Von D not vegan

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There is currently a discussion on the talk-page of list of vegans that Kat Von D has given up veganism [1] and if she should be removed from the list and if her Wikipedia article should be updated. Psychologist Guy (talk) 13:48, 18 August 2023 (UTC)[reply]

Salvation

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Glad to hear you received Jesus Christ as your Savior. Lifting you up in Prayer. 172.59.168.250 (talk) 10:50, 10 October 2023 (UTC)[reply]

love triangle

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Kat Von D, Jesse James (television personality) , Sandra Bullock

98.248.161.240 (talk) 14:28, 9 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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