I uploaded more pics (see places), on a mountain in the sun above the fog. - [[Madeleine Riffaud]] - [[User talk:Gerda Arendt#remember|remember]]. -- [[User:Gerda Arendt|Gerda Arendt]] ([[User talk:Gerda Arendt|talk]]) 23:53, 11 November 2024 (UTC)
:[[File:Hidden Lake from campground.jpg|thumb|One of the best campsites ever.]]I'm kinda bummed that I didn't make it back this year to the lake in the picture at the right. Last time we were there we took our [[scanoe]] out and managed to spot a bear with two cubs foraging on the mountainside. [[User:Just Step Sideways|Just Step Sideways]] [[User talk:Just Step Sideways|<sup>from this world ..... today</sup>]] 00:12, 12 November 2024 (UTC)
:: That looks inviting! - I uploaded pics of a trip that was a 10-day celebration of a 16 November event, but the day was also when a dear friend died. We sang [[Hevenu shalom aleichem]] at his funeral yesterday, and it was good. --[[User:Gerda Arendt|Gerda Arendt]] ([[User talk:Gerda Arendt|talk]]) 19:33, 30 November 2024 (UTC)
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Knowing how much effort you've put into things Alaska, especially your excellent photography, you may be interested to know there is now an article for [[Lake Atna]], the ancient proglacial lake that inhabited the Copper River Basin. Do you by any chance have photos of Tahneta Pass, or any of the remnant lakes of Lake Atna, such as Tazlina Lake, Klutina Lake, or Tonsina Lake? Or, perhaps, any of the large dunes indicated in the article that are northeast of Wasilla in the Matanuska Valley? --[[User:Hammersoft|Hammersoft]] ([[User talk:Hammersoft|talk]]) 22:01, 19 January 2017 (UTC)
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:That is interesting, thanks for letting me know, I imagine a number of my talk page watchers will be interested as well. Unfortunately I don't think I have pictures of any of those places. I've passed through the area a few times but not spent much time there. We tend to visit the more accessible lakes that can be safely navigated by a [[scanoe]] with a very small motor on it, so these places are kind of out of my league I'm afraid. I used to be the backwoods, pack in only what you can carry type by marriage and age have changed all that, we camp in a van and carry our boat on the roof now, and it's heavy enough that we won't hand carry it more than fifty feet.
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:I've been to and photographed a number of places on the borders of this area such as the [[Tangle Lakes]], eskers and kettle lakes on the [[Denali Highway]], and [[Gulkana Glacier]] if that's any help. I didn't know about the dunes either, that sounds like something I'd like to check out in the future. [[User:Beeblebrox|Beeblebrox]] ([[User talk:Beeblebrox#top|talk]]) 22:31, 19 January 2017 (UTC)
:* I know you've gotten photography elsewhere in the basin than places I mentioned. [[:File:Louisefromadistance.JPG|This photo]] comes to mind. The problem is that I can't, with cites, prove that any of the lakes other than the ones I listed are remnants of Lake Atna. I wouldn't be surprised to find that Lake Louise is a remnant lake, but I can't prove it with available refs. Gulkana Glacier certainly had a role in the lake's history, but it's barely mentioned in refs. I don't want to presume. Same goes for the Matanuska Glacier. If you happen to go through Tahneta Pass again please, if you would, grab a shot...preferably a panoramic one if you can manage it. Most people wouldn't photograph it; what photographs there are of the pass show it to be, by Alaska standards, pretty non-descript. Yet, it was a glacial dam failure in that pass that caused one of the largest megafloods in history. --[[User:Hammersoft|Hammersoft]] ([[User talk:Hammersoft|talk]]) 23:33, 19 January 2017 (UTC)
::Actually the area around the Eureka Roadhouse, which appears to be in that pass, is quite spectacular. I suppose I've never taken any pictures there because I'm always just driving through on my way to or from somewhere else, although I've stopped at the roadhouse for gas a number of times. There's a possibility I will be out that way in late summer/early fall, when I often go on an extended camping trip, if so I'll keep this in mind. [[User:Beeblebrox|Beeblebrox]] ([[User talk:Beeblebrox#top|talk]]) 00:35, 20 January 2017 (UTC)
::* Where I've seen the glacial dam indicated is ~5-6 miles west of Eureka Roadhouse. Let me know if you photograph the pass in that area! Thanks! --[[User:Hammersoft|Hammersoft]] ([[User talk:Hammersoft|talk]]) 01:52, 20 January 2017 (UTC)
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I know that you probably ''really'' don't want to deal with this, but I do have a question regarding the ANI thread you recently closed on that page. Thank you for the closing, and for your attention to the request. Unfortunately, as I already indicated on that page, if you are allowing the possibility of a request for arbitration, I probably won't be able to file it myself until Monday, as I kind of indicated there, given the lateness of the day here already today. [[User:John Carter|John Carter]] ([[User talk:John Carter|talk]]) 00:43, 26 January 2017 (UTC)
:From what I can recall from previous conversations, filing an arbcom request i usually considered a valid exemption to an iban. [[User:Beeblebrox|Beeblebrox]] ([[User talk:Beeblebrox#top|talk]]) 00:50, 26 January 2017 (UTC)
::Responded at my talk page, more or less indicating that I saw the link as per accidentally hitting the wrong link. Also, I suppose, if someone were to make a case of it, might it be considered reasonable to review edits by a person one is taking to arbcom for possible case use, and, if one saw edits in violation of sanctions that way, would be not be permitted to mention them? Granted, that isn't what happened; like I said, in the multiple edits I made to the ARB request I accidentally hit something I wasn't intending to and saw this.
::And, while hitting "watchlist" I saw [https://en.wikipedia.org/enwiki/w/index.php?title=User_talk:Ignocrates&curid=875902&diff=762813192&oldid=655193102 this comment] from a supposedly retired editor who is already subject to a joint i-ban with as per [[Wikipedia:Arbitration/Requests/Case/Ebionites 3/Proposed decision]]. Please advise. [[User:John Carter|John Carter]] ([[User talk:John Carter|talk]]) 21:52, 30 January 2017 (UTC)
:::I would advise that you take the talk page of a user you are ibanned from off your watchlist. You are either being disingenuous or really do not understand the purpose of an interaction ban. [[User:Beeblebrox|Beeblebrox]] ([[User talk:Beeblebrox#top|talk]]) 22:05, 30 January 2017 (UTC)
::::It really only went back ''on'' my watchlist after the thirty-day block and apparent "retirement" two years ago. Considering he had earlier changed his name from Ovadyah to that already, it struck me as reasonable to keep it on the watchlist so that I would know if he changed his name again, so I would know to avoid him under whatever name he might take then. [[User:John Carter|John Carter]] ([[User talk:John Carter|talk]]) 22:10, 30 January 2017 (UTC)
:::::You seem to have a lot of convenient excuses. [[User:Beeblebrox|Beeblebrox]] ([[User talk:Beeblebrox#top|talk]]) 22:15, 30 January 2017 (UTC)
::::::Or, maybe, a willingness to make an effort to avoid trouble if possible? [[User:John Carter|John Carter]] ([[User talk:John Carter|talk]]) 22:17, 30 January 2017 (UTC)
{{outdent}}Seeing as they have been under a self-imposed block for almost two years now that isn't very compelling.
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I think you may now finally be getting the impression that whatever you may feel about your actions, the community does not see it your way. There is a limit to the amount of time the community is willing to invest in a user who needs so many special rules just for them, especially when they break those rules. I would suggest that you are right at the razor's edge right now. The best thing you can do, for yourself and for Wikipedia, is to '''completely ignore anyone you are banned from interacting with'''. That's the lesson an iban is meant to teach you, but you have obviously failed to grasp it so far, and now it looks likely you are going to be blocked for a while as a result. I wouldn't expect to be let off so lightly if you violate it again. [[User:Beeblebrox|Beeblebrox]] ([[User talk:Beeblebrox#top|talk]]) 02:18, 31 January 2017 (UTC)
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Hi Beeblebrox, do you mind if I restore [https://en.wikipedia.org/enwiki/w/index.php?title=Template%3ACentralized_discussion&type=revision&diff=762154180&oldid=762149695 this]? It has BLP implications, which I why I posted it at CENT. I'd have made that clear, but I knew it would be changed if I did that, so it isn't clear what the issue is. [[User:SlimVirgin|SarahSV]] <small><sup>[[User_talk:SlimVirgin|(talk)]]</sup></small> 04:45, 27 January 2017 (UTC)
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:{{ping|SlimVirgin}} My apologies, I somehow totally missed this comment until just now. I am very concerned about the precedent this would set as we don't normally list any sort of xfd discussion on CENT, and it seems to have grown to enormous lengths anyway so it looks like plenty of people are in fact aware of it. [[User:Beeblebrox|Beeblebrox]] ([[User talk:Beeblebrox#top|talk]]) 22:35, 30 January 2017 (UTC)
::It's fine. I take your point about XfD, and I see people are discussing it. [[User:SlimVirgin|SarahSV]] <small><sup>[[User_talk:SlimVirgin|(talk)]]</sup></small> 20:02, 2 February 2017 (UTC)
And YGM from me. [[User:Kudpung|Kudpung กุดผึ้ง]] ([[User talk:Kudpung|talk]]) 16:28, 14 November 2024 (UTC)
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It'sbeenclosedsoican'treply there but ... yes, a longride. Goodto see you're still active in these things. - Dank ([[User talk:Dank|push to talk]]) 05:25, 27January2017 (UTC)
Forget it. The issue has resolved itself. Probably a cache error. [[User:Kudpung|Kudpung กุดผึ้ง]] ([[User talk:Kudpung|talk]]) 16:37, 14 November 2024 (UTC)
:Weird. Before just now my last edit was about fourteen hours ago. Good to see you though. [[User:Just Step Sideways|Just Step Sideways]] [[User talk:Just Step Sideways|<sup>from this world ..... today</sup>]] 18:33, 14 November 2024 (UTC)
== Could you block John Carter? ==
I have also sent mail [[User:Queen of Hearts|<span style="color: darkred;">charlotte</span>]] [[User talk:Queen of Hearts|<sup style="color: darkred;">👸♥</sup>]] 07:58, 18 November 2024 (UTC)
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== I don't understand the need to twist the knife ==
Less than a week after the IBAN was put in place, John Carter kept following my edits, and opened a bogus AE request against me despite the fact that ArbCom had already clarified that edits like the one he reported were not covered under my TBAN.
Just leave the guy alone. Jesus. [[User:Floquenbeam|Floquenbeam]] ([[User talk:Floquenbeam|talk]]) 23:36, 18 November 2024 (UTC)
:I just think it would be better for everyone if this just ended now instead of going on for a full week. It's probably in his own best interest to pull the plug now. [[User:Just Step Sideways|Just Step Sideways]] [[User talk:Just Step Sideways|<sup>from this world ..... today</sup>]] 23:39, 18 November 2024 (UTC)
:If you look a few sections up, you can see where he asked me about this and I indicated that filing such a request is usually considered an exemption from a iban, although I must admit I thought we were talking about a [[WP:RFAR]] request for a full case. I would suggest you just tell arbcom that you believe the request is flawed and leave it at that. [[User:Beeblebrox|Beeblebrox]] ([[User talk:Beeblebrox#top|talk]]) 21:25, 30 January 2017 (UTC)
::Lookingalittlecloserthisisn'treallyok, and I'vesaidsoatAEandhistalkpage. [[User:Beeblebrox|Beeblebrox]] ([[User talk:Beeblebrox#top|talk]]) 21:46, 30January2017 (UTC)
::And you think he's not able to see what's going on and decide for himself, and needs you to give advice (masquerading as a question), because ...? [[User:Floquenbeam|Floquenbeam]] ([[User talk:Floquenbeam|talk]]) 23:48, 18 November 2024 (UTC)
:::Nevermind. I'm just disappointed in almost everyone around here these days; I'm not sure why I thought that wouldn't be true of you too. Consider it a rhetorical question. [[User:Floquenbeam|Floquenbeam]] ([[User talk:Floquenbeam|talk]]) 23:50, 18 November 2024 (UTC)
:::The expectation was that a significant block would be forthcoming if either party abused the interaction ban. This is as blatant as you get and the AE request clearly shows they are stalking Hijiri, since it doesnt look like you or the admins at AE are going to take action on it, I have raised it at ANI. [[User:Only in death|Only in death does duty end]] ([[User talk:Only in death|talk]]) 23:00, 30 January 2017 (UTC)
::::I'll cop to it being a suggestion inside of a question. I'm not sure Graham has been honest with himself, based on comments I have seen him making, and this was an attempt to nudge him in that direction, not to kick him when he's down, but I can see how it could come off that way. [[User:Just Step Sideways|Just Step Sideways]] [[User talk:Just Step Sideways|<sup>from this world ..... today</sup>]] 00:00, 19 November 2024 (UTC)
::::I was commenting there as you were writing this. It is often the case in these circumstances that we give the user exactly one warning that they re violating the ban and not to do it again, which is the approach I chose. I don't think an ANI thread on top of three or four concurrent discussions is helpful. [[User:Beeblebrox|Beeblebrox]] ([[User talk:Beeblebrox#top|talk]]) 23:02, 30 January 2017 (UTC)
:I agree, that was an utterly pointless and mean "question". If you want to say he should withdraw, just tell him he should elsewhere in the discussion or on his Talk—you're not earnestly asking if he's considered it. <span style="position: relative; top: -0.5em;">꧁</span>[[User:Zanahary|Zanahary]]<span style="position: relative; top: -0.5em;">꧂</span> 02:57, 19 November 2024 (UTC)
:::::I dont think John Carter blatantly harrassing Hijiri in defiance of a community imposed ban is helpful. But thats his problem. [[User:Only in death|Only in death does duty end]] ([[User talk:Only in death|talk]]) 23:08, 30 January 2017 (UTC)
::::::I agree, it is not helpful. It is petty and childish, and I've said as much to him. [[User:Beeblebrox|Beeblebrox]] ([[User talk:Beeblebrox#top|talk]]) 23:09, 30 January 2017 (UTC)
:::::::Now if only someone would say the same to OID. [[User:John Carter|John Carter]] ([[User talk:John Carter|talk]]) 23:16, 30 January 2017 (UTC)
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Can I ask you to kindly undo your close of that AfD about film, please? There's not even '''one''' Delete !vote on that page.....and the nominator has asked for sources... that were provided (at AfD and on the page; it was vastly improved....(by me, fwiw)). Nor the nominator nor @[[User:Dclemens1971|Dclemens1971]], who had !voted Redirect (which had been the outcome of a first close, see [[Wikipedia_talk:Articles_for_deletion/Desserts_(film)|TP]] where I asked Star Mississippi to relist it), have responded to new sources (added twice), true but that should not be considered a reason for deletion. At the very very least please consider a relist. Whatever your reading of the page is, it is absolutely impossible to consider there is a consensus to delete at all. Your closing statement does not indicate any reason for your decision, so I am assuming it is a mistake. Thank you in advance. -[[User talk:Mushy Yank|<span style="font-family:American Typewriter;color:#0F0C0F">Mushy Yank</span>]]. 00:40, 19 November 2024 (UTC)
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:You are correct, I didn't mean to close that AFD at all. I was very confused for a minute there because an AFD I thought I had closed was still open and I couldn't figure out why. I clicked on the wrong one, I guess from scrolling too fast. I'll fix it now. [[User:Just Step Sideways|Just Step Sideways]] [[User talk:Just Step Sideways|<sup>from this world ..... today</sup>]] 00:56, 19 November 2024 (UTC)
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:::{{done}}. [[User:Just Step Sideways|Just Step Sideways]] [[User talk:Just Step Sideways|<sup>from this world ..... today</sup>]] 01:00, 19 November 2024 (UTC)
::so you... stepped sideways to the wrong AfD? :)
::Thanks @[[User:Mushy Yank|Mushy Yank]] for the ping. Glad it was resolved in the interim while I was offline.I didn't watch the AfD after the relist so please do ping me if needed. [[User:Star Mississippi|<span style="color:#be33ff;">Star</span>]] [[User talk:Star Mississippi|<span style="color:#ff33da;">Mississippi</span>]] 01:26, 19 November 2024 (UTC)
:::I read that in Mark E. Smith's voice.
:::When I'm closing AFDs I have the log for the whole day open, with only still-open discussions displayed, and there were two similarly long ones back-to-back. Not that it is anything but my fault but I assume that's how it happened. [[User:Just Step Sideways|Just Step Sideways]] [[User talk:Just Step Sideways|<sup>from this world ..... today</sup>]] 01:55, 19 November 2024 (UTC)
Beeblebrox is a name I vaguely recall, and respect, though I don't think our areas of WP interest overlap much. Why have you changed it? [[User:Maproom|Maproom]] ([[User talk:Maproom|talk]]) 09:46, 19 November 2024 (UTC)
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:I had been contemplating it for some time. When I first registered this account, people, including myself, were generally unaware of best practices for online security. So we did things like name our account after one pet and use the other one's name as the password. Sadly, my cat Zaphod Beeblebrox passsed on some time ago. And I've been a longtime fan, due to my wife, of [[The Fall (band)|The Fall]] and since the death of [[Mark E. Smith]] I'de been contemplating a new username based on a fall song, so I went twith one of my favorites. [https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oFO70oGChQU&t=7s] [[User:Just Step Sideways|Just Step Sideways]] [[User talk:Just Step Sideways|<sup>from this world ..... today</sup>]] 01:09, 20 November 2024 (UTC)
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::Thank you for your explanation! I once observed an editor who changed his username as part of the process of standing for some official WP role. I'm reassured to know that you're not up to any such thing. [[User:Maproom|Maproom]] ([[User talk:Maproom|talk]]) 11:21, 24 November 2024 (UTC)
:::At the time I changed it I did not anticipate ever running for ArbCom again, but after watching the committee struggle this past year I decided I'd run again. [[User:Just Step Sideways|Just Step Sideways]] [[User talk:Just Step Sideways|<sup>from this world ..... today</sup>]] 20:08, 24 November 2024 (UTC)
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Hi, I've noticed recently you've been declined reports of possibly promotional usernames with no edits. I just added a new parameter to {{tl|UAA}} for this sort of case, so that you don't have to type what you want to say manually. You can use <code><nowiki>{{UAA|wp}}</nowiki></code>, <code><nowiki>{{UAA|waitp}}</nowiki></code>, <code><nowiki>{{UAA|waitpromo}}</nowiki></code> or <code><nowiki>{{UAA|waitspam}}</nowiki></code>. Hope it helps. [[User:Linguist111|<span style="color:lightpink">Linguist</span>]][[User talk:Linguist111|<sup><span style="color:green">talk</span></sup>]]|[[Special:Contributions/Linguist111|<span style="color:purple"><small>contribs</small></span>]] 21:11, 1 February 2017 (UTC)
Thank you for standing for arbitrator. I am far away from it all (travel, mourning), not in the mood, so just an informal question you can answer or ignore:
:{{ping|Linguit111}} I think this is basically a good idea, but in its present form I don't think it quite sends the right message. When I decline these specific types of reports, I'm ''declining'' them, as in no action needed, do ''not'' transfer to holding to be reviewed again in a week. If it was modified to better reflect that I think it would be very useful. [[User:Beeblebrox|Beeblebrox]] ([[User talk:Beeblebrox#top|talk]]) 22:26, 1 February 2017 (UTC)
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::Okay. So, how about I change it to "Not a blatant violation of the username policy. For a username to be blatantly promotional, there must be a link between the username and the user's edits. Consider re-reporting if the user edits promotionally."? [[User:Linguist111|<span style="color:lightpink">Linguist</span>]][[User talk:Linguist111|<sup><span style="color:green">talk</span></sup>]]|[[Special:Contributions/Linguist111|<span style="color:purple"><small>contribs</small></span>]] 11:02, 2 February 2017 (UTC)
:::Sounds good. [[User:Beeblebrox|Beeblebrox]] ([[User talk:Beeblebrox#top|talk]]) 15:56, 2 February 2017 (UTC)
What does this 2024 DYK tell you about infoboxes for classical composers in 2024? --[[User:Gerda Arendt|Gerda Arendt]] ([[User talk:Gerda Arendt|talk]]) 16:10, 19 November 2024 (UTC)
== Wykipedia ==
== Explicit–Liz ==
Thanks to you and [[User:Bbb23]] for replying to my query at ANI re Wykipedia.
I don't think that thread is ready for closure. Maybe the immediate issue has been dealt with, but (per [[Special:Diff/1258830039|my comment a short while ago]]) it's a sign of a broader problem that really needs to be dealt with—the conflict's been dragging on for years, and if it isn't addressed, someday it's going to result in a block or desysop, which is the worst possible outcome for everyone. [[User:Extraordinary Writ|Extraordinary Writ]] ([[User talk:Extraordinary Writ|talk]]) 22:03, 21 November 2024 (UTC)
I'd like to be kept posted on progress, if possible.
:I guess I think, given the various mitigating factors, that nothing concrete was going to come of this. The egregious personal attack and the confusion/lack of information regarding the supressed content make it extremely unlikely. Technically, no discussion should be had, ever, on-wiki regarding supressed content. [[User:Just Step Sideways|Just Step Sideways]] [[User talk:Just Step Sideways|<sup>from this world ..... today</sup>]] 22:15, 21 November 2024 (UTC)
Also, for future reference, what's the correct forum for such queries?
::Perhaps that's true for the wheel-warring/suppression, but the point I was trying to make in my comment was that the problem goes well beyond the most recent incident—and I think that point deserves engagement rather than a closure 20 minutes later. [[User:Extraordinary Writ|Extraordinary Writ]] ([[User talk:Extraordinary Writ|talk]]) 22:25, 21 November 2024 (UTC)
:::I see the diffs you posted, but even without them, it is obvious to anyone who just read that single thread that these two don't get along and have not for some time. Absent any sort of explicit proposal I'm afraid I really don't see the point. [[User:Just Step Sideways|Just Step Sideways]] [[User talk:Just Step Sideways|<sup>from this world ..... today</sup>]] 22:51, 21 November 2024 (UTC)
::::I suggest waiting to see if the issue continues before anyone makes an explicit proposal, or even an Explicit proposal. [[User:Newyorkbrad|Newyorkbrad]] ([[User talk:Newyorkbrad|talk]]) 22:56, 21 November 2024 (UTC)
:::::I really enjoy how much likelier you are to comment on a subject if you can sneak in a cheap pun.
:::::And I agree, I think this thread was a shot across the bow to both of them to cut this out. Let's see if they abide by that. [[User:Just Step Sideways|Just Step Sideways]] [[User talk:Just Step Sideways|<sup>from this world ..... today</sup>]] 23:01, 21 November 2024 (UTC)
== Question re that ANI discussion just now ==
It may be quite innocent, but if not, their holy grail is probably an admin password (or better). In view of this, would a message to [[Wikipedia:Administrators/Message list]] be appropriate?
I thought about leaving Tercer a first-and-only NPA warning for [[Special:Diff/1259180525|the message they left shortly before you closed that]] although if I were an admin, it would have been enough for me to block them. You're obviously right that a discussion needs to happen but I can't imagine it going anywhere as long one editor feels comfortable telling another "''you don't know anything''" and whatever else. Thoughts? <b style="font-family: Segoe Script;">''[[User:City of Silver|<span style="color:#BC49A6">City</span>]][[User talk:City of Silver|<span style="color:Green"> o</span><span style="color:Red">f </span>]][[Special:Contribs/City of Silver|<span style="color:#708090">Silver</span>]]''</b> 21:04, 23 November 2024 (UTC)
Or do you think all admins should be canny enough not to fall for it anyway? It does look quite slick and dangerous to me, and I've had several friends whom I would have thought were very savvy fall for Nigerian or ransomware etc scams over the years. [[User:Andrewa|Andrewa]] ([[User talk:Andrewa|talk]]) 03:08, 4 February 2017 (UTC)
:Hi, {{U|Andrewa|Andrew}}, both Beeblebrox and I are functionaries, but Beeblebrox is more "politically connected" than I am. Nonetheless, in different ways we both made the Foundation aware of the website, and as you can see at ANI post-closure, they are. I'm sure opinions would differ, but I wouldn't send a mass message to all admins. Most aren't even active anyway. The Foundation knows how to notify editors if they think it's appropriate. You got the ball rolling, and thanks for that.--[[User:Bbb23|Bbb23]] ([[User talk:Bbb23|talk]]) 13:57, 4 February 2017 (UTC)
:That's a fair point, I've added a bit on that specifically to the closing message. [[User:Just Step Sideways|Just Step Sideways]] [[User talk:Just Step Sideways|<sup>from this world ..... today</sup>]] 21:13, 23 November 2024 (UTC)
::Thanks, [[User:Bbb23]]. (Perhaps we should shift to your own talk page or mine if it continues but I'll reply here for the moment.)
==You've got mail!==
::I did notice that you both have had higher roles. But is there as better way of contacting "back office" over such matters? It's going to happen again. It's a jungle out here! I thought this was urgent enough to abuse ANI, and it worked well. But I had a good look at en:Wikipedia and the Meta first and the correct channel was not obvious. I'm not a great user of chat or facebook, the Wiki and email are my main Internet activities. But happy to develop other skills if needed. (But I'd rather be improving the article space more directly, either by using the mop or by actually working on articles. Our earthly lives are a finite resource.)
{{You've got mail}} <span style="font-family:Papyrus; color:#800080;">[[User:Liz|'''''L'''''iz]]</span> <sup style="font-family: Times New Roman; color: #006400;">[[Special:Contributions/Liz|'''''Read!''''']] [[User talk:Liz|'''''Talk!''''']]</sup> 00:03, 24 November 2024 (UTC)
== Another article for deletion ==
::I admit that I'm now long retired, but my professional career was mainly in computer security in some way or other, and this did concern me as fairly urgent. Even if most of the admins are inactive (and that's also a concern, and perhaps explains why the last bevavioural issue I raised at ANI was auto-archived with no evidence that any other admin had even looked at it - but there does appear to be a bit more activity there now) their passwords are still valuable. Completely inactive users won't have their passwords captured obviously, the ones I'd be most looking for were I the ungodly would be ones that logged on occasionally and then disappeared again for a week or more.
Regarding the deletion of [[Timeline of UFOs]], shortly after the AfD was initiated it was moved from [[Timeline of Ufology]] (see [https://en.wikipedia.org/enwiki/w/index.php?title=Wikipedia:Fringe_theories/Noticeboard&diff=prev&oldid=1257391097 here]). The latter article has not been deleted, and even retains the original AfD notice. Probably a 'feature' of the Wikipedia deletion software, but it and its Talk page also need to be deleted. Thanks. [[User:JoJo Anthrax|JoJo Anthrax]] ([[User talk:JoJo Anthrax|talk]]) 02:05, 24 November 2024 (UTC)
::Anyway, not the end of the world or of Wikipedia, and now in the right hands I'm sure, and thanks again to you both. [[User:Andrewa|Andrewa]] ([[User talk:Andrewa|talk]]) 19:38, 4 February 2017 (UTC)
:::{{re|Andrewa}} We can use Beeblebrox's Talk page. It'll make him feel needed. There's a general wikimedia e-mail you can use, but I don't know how quickly that box is reviewed. The other thing you can do is look at the list of editors at [[:Category:Wikimedia Foundation staff]], pick one who looks important (heh), and leave a message on their Talk page, although e-mailing them might be faster, depends on how frequently they're on-wiki. There are also e-mail lists, and I don't know all of them. For example, even though you aren't a functionary, you can e-mail the functionaries e-mail list anyway. It'll just take a bit longer because it has to be moderated before it's released to the list members. I still think contacting the entire admins corps to be overkill, but that's just my opinion. I'm the guy who doesn't buy burglar alarm systems for my house, either.{{smiley}} --[[User:Bbb23|Bbb23]] ([[User talk:Bbb23|talk]]) 21:47, 4 February 2017 (UTC)
:::::In my experience, email is almost always the fastest way tot get the attention of the foundation. They have replied that this is definenently not hosted by them and they are looking into it further. Given that it was pretending to actually ''be'' Wikipedia, that probably means the legal team is going after them. I've never seen anything quite like that before, after looking at it for a few minutes, it actually did seem to log me in using [[WP:SUL]], without me actually entering either my username or password, but if I actually tried to ''do'' anything it redirected me back to Wikipedia. Not sure what their game is, but I have [[WP:2FA]] on my account so it's pretty secure. [[User:Beeblebrox|Beeblebrox]] ([[User talk:Beeblebrox#top|talk]]) 18:58, 5 February 2017 (UTC)
::::::OK... and I have now emailed some off-wiki comments to [[User:Bbb23]] who is of course free to pass them on to "back office" and/or to yourself.
::::::email is ideal, but I didn't find an obvious link to use for this... where should I have looked?
::::::I could still be wrong, but this has all the look and feel of fraudulent sites that financial and online sales websites deal with regularly, and having been involved with the security of such institutions in my former career, I still think it's serious and that part of the solution is a warning to those who are targeted. That is standard industry practice. [[User:Andrewa|Andrewa]] ([[User talk:Andrewa|talk]]) 23:37, 5 February 2017 (UTC)
{{outdent}}A lot of the time, the office ends up contacted exactly in this way, someone posts something here, administrators see it, and contacts the relevant person. Who to contact is usually situation-specifc and contacts are identified at specific pages, for example [[WP:OFFICE]] lists the two people I've been in contact with about this, (although office actions are another issue entirely, they are the community liaisons) whereas [[WP:EMERGENCY]] lists the emergency contact account that (so I'm told) will immediately alert someone from the head office, day or night, to immediately address the problem. But again, most of the time it goes just like this did, where a user reports it, and an admin or functionary sees it and thinks "this is above ny pay grade" and refers it to them. [[User:Beeblebrox|Beeblebrox]] ([[User talk:Beeblebrox#top|talk]]) 01:57, 6 February 2017 (UTC)
:The problem is finding it (WP:OFFICE). If you don't know it exists, it ain't easy. You'd think there'd at least be a link to it from the Main Page Contact Us page, but there isn't. BTW, Andrew, the reason I didn't respond to your e-mail was because I really don't have anything more to say.--[[User:Bbb23|Bbb23]] ([[User talk:Bbb23|talk]]) 03:04, 6 February 2017 (UTC)
::Thanks for those. [[Wikipedia:Responding to threats of harm]] doesn't seem relevant to this situation and is of strange status... originally an essay (top importance but still an essay) the essay notice has been removed but it's still in an essay category.
::[[Wikipedia:Office actions]] probably should be a little more prominent... I hadn't read it for a while, and had forgotten that there were links there that I could have used. That was the page I wanted in fact.
::I do review the [[Wikipedia:Administrators' reading list]] from time to time but have found [[Wikipedia:Advice for new administrators]] is often more up to date and/or helpful. There is a '''lot''' that admins need to be up on... for example I am most active on RM (having seen over the years that this was typically the biggest admin backlog), but the advice at wp:emergency is to contact '''any''' admin, so '''all''' admins need to be up to speed on it. [[User:Andrewa|Andrewa]] ([[User talk:Andrewa|talk]]) 16:49, 6 February 2017 (UTC)
:Huh, I thought the XFD closer would handle that but I guess not. I'll zap it now. [[User:Just Step Sideways|Just Step Sideways]] [[User talk:Just Step Sideways|<sup>from this world ..... today</sup>]] 02:13, 24 November 2024 (UTC)
==Comments on editing restriction==
== "I don't think I've ever actually seen that before." ==
Hi, Beeblebrox. I like your multi-level triangle.
About [https://en.wikipedia.org/enwiki/w/index.php?title=Wikipedia:Requests_for_permissions/Extended_confirmed&curid=50059964&diff=1259238186&oldid=1259235842 this]. There was also [https://en.wikipedia.org/enwiki/w/index.php?title=Wikipedia:Requests_for_permissions/Extended_confirmed&oldid=1255974652#User:QuantumResearchIsCool this] a few weeks ago for interest. It seems it happens, but I don't know how often. [[User:Sean.hoyland|Sean.hoyland]] ([[User talk:Sean.hoyland|talk]]) 06:08, 24 November 2024 (UTC)
:I'm fairly sure those are both the same person, fwiw. – [[User talk:Bradv|<span style="color:#333">'''brad''v'''''</span>]] 06:39, 24 November 2024 (UTC)
I'm trying to respond to the case of possibly ending my indefinite editing restriction.
::Prety weak to not realize that's never going to work, but I've given up being sursrised at such things, [[User:Just Step Sideways|Just Step Sideways]] [[User talk:Just Step Sideways|<sup>from this world ..... today</sup>]] 08:18, 24 November 2024 (UTC)
::I hope you are right. Apart from being quite funny, it means Wikipedia gets a free RFP testing service and everyone gets to watch if they can figure out how to find a method that works. [[User:Sean.hoyland|Sean.hoyland]] ([[User talk:Sean.hoyland|talk]]) 09:42, 24 November 2024 (UTC)
== [[Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Darius J. Pearce]] processing ==
I had long been wanting to appeal the restrictions, but wasn't sure how to do it or whether I had any chance of succeeding. In any case, I think I may finally have learned how to "go with the flow" and "not insist on my own way" when disagreeing with others about how NPOV should be applied.
There are a few talkpage archives still lingering.[https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Special:PrefixIndex?prefix=Darius+J.+Pearce&namespace=1] [[User:DMacks|DMacks]] ([[User talk:DMacks|talk]]) 00:30, 25 November 2024 (UTC)
Now that 10 years have passed - has it really been that long? - I'd like to be able to edit articles touching on [[intelligent design]] and the [[Unification Church]] again. I promise to be gentle and yielding, okay?
:Good catch, zapped them all. Darn nonstandard talk page numbering. [[User:Just Step Sideways|Just Step Sideways]] [[User talk:Just Step Sideways|<sup>from this world ..... today</sup>]] 01:03, 25 November 2024 (UTC)
Is there some part of the arbcom page that I'm supposed to (or allowed to) post the above comment? --[[User:Ed Poor|Uncle Ed]] ([[User talk:Ed Poor|talk]]) 18:06, 5 February 2017 (UTC)
::Thanks for the quick fix! [[User:DMacks|DMacks]] ([[User talk:DMacks|talk]]) 01:08, 25 November 2024 (UTC)
== [[Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Ponytail canasta]] ==
:The discussion is at [[WP:ARCA]], and it's basically a done deal at this point. A few of the arbs have commented that they wanted to hear from you directly, but once you made basically this same post on your talk page they were pretty much on board with it, but it is still open if you have anything to add. [[User:Beeblebrox|Beeblebrox]] ([[User talk:Beeblebrox#top|talk]]) 18:51, 5 February 2017 (UTC)
Why delete? There's a clear consensus that it exists, just not that it's notable. That's the perfect sort of situation for a redirect or merge. The only argument against a redirect or merge--it's not mentioned at the target--is a very surmountable problem. ATDs, by policy, should be prioritized over deletion, even when there's a strong consensus against retaining an article in its current form. [[User:Jclemens|Jclemens]] ([[User talk:Jclemens|talk]]) 02:49, 26 November 2024 (UTC)
== Your comment at VP on hyphens ==
:@[[User:Jclemens|Jclemens]] {{tpw}} To be honest, I'm wondering why it was closed after there were two !votes that technically disagreed with each other instead of relisted. [[User:I dream of horses|I dream of horses]] [[Special:Contribs/I dream of horses|(Hoofprints)]] [[User talk:I dream of horses|(Neigh at me)]] 04:40, 26 November 2024 (UTC)
I get it: you just don't like the micro approach to style. But might I suggest that you'd be the first to complain if watching a film that was not edited smoothly according to well-established rules. Micro matters. [[User:Tony1|<font color="darkgreen">'''Tony'''</font>]] [[User talk:Tony1|<font color="darkgreen">(talk) </font>]]
::I feel like I tried to explain this when making the close. Despite the differing perspectives on what it meant, I did see a consensus that it was not notable and there were no sources. I do not believe that [[WP:ATD|ATD]] mandates that we ''must'' do a redirect in such circumstances. There's not really anything we can say without a single reliable source. The lack of reliable sourcing strongly suggests this is [[WP:MADEUP|MADEUP]], or at best almost totally unknown even to players otherwise familiar with canasta. [[User:Just Step Sideways|Just Step Sideways]] [[User talk:Just Step Sideways|<sup>from this world ..... today</sup>]] 18:14, 26 November 2024 (UTC)
:If the only rule they were ignoring was which small horizontally line to use, I probably wouldn't notice, so no, I don't think it matters. [[User:Beeblebrox|Beeblebrox]] ([[User talk:Beeblebrox#top|talk]]) 19:52, 6 February 2017 (UTC)
:::If you want to infer that it's made up, then I recommend you do your own BEFORE-like search before making such a supposition the basis for any action. There used to be a strain of thought that would excoriate closers for doing this, but I strongly encourage it: I believe it's the best way to see for yourself whether the !votes are reasonable. As I noted in the AfD, I saw stuff with the "ponytal canasta" name in it all over the Internet: {{tq|A quick survey of google, gnews, and gbooks shows there are plenty of references to this to verify it exists, even though I see nothing to suggest it is notable.}} For example, [https://www.amazon.com/Ponytail-Canasta-Score-Sheets-Notebook/dp/B09917QQMZ This] shows that there are out-of-print scoresheets for this variant that were sold by and reviewed on Amazon as late as mid-2022. Definitely doesn't contribute to notability, but just as definitely shows--especially with all the other NN ghits--that this isn't MADEUP, even if I can't support any argument of notability. [[User:Jclemens|Jclemens]] ([[User talk:Jclemens|talk]]) 07:15, 27 November 2024 (UTC)
:::Oh, and one thing: an entry in an already notable article doesn't need an RS suitable for notability, just one able to satisfy V, which non-controversial SPS'es can do just fine. [[User:Jclemens|Jclemens]] ([[User talk:Jclemens|talk]]) 07:16, 27 November 2024 (UTC)
== UAA ==
== Arbitration motion regarding ''Ed Poor 2'' ==
Hey since you are around, can you check if the edits this [https://en.wikipedia.org/enwiki/w/index.php?title=Special:AbuseLog&wpSearchUser=108.5.196.213 this ip] was trying to make at UAA was a valid report? An user warned them on their talk page, but, like me, the user cannot actually see what the edits were and I have tried reporting some accounts before and being disallowed by a filter because the username was bad.<br>
The Arbitration Committee has resolved by [[Special:Permalink/764065369#Motion:_Ed_Poor|motion]] that:
This is also the IP that made the extensive (unsigned) report that you just removed (so it's probably related to that...). – [[Special:Contributions/2804:F14:8080:CA01:188E:F4F9:261F:8749|2804:F1...1F:8749]] ([[Special:Contributions/2804:F14::/32|::/32]]) ([[User talk:2804:F14:8080:CA01:188E:F4F9:261F:8749|talk]]) 19:00, 26 November 2024 (UTC)
:Looks like they were trying to comment on that report and kept tripping multiple edit filters designed to stop LTAs. [[User:Just Step Sideways|Just Step Sideways]] [[User talk:Just Step Sideways|<sup>from this world ..... today</sup>]] 19:37, 26 November 2024 (UTC)
{{Ivmbox|1=In [[Wikipedia:Requests_for_arbitration/Ed_Poor_2#Ed_Poor_placed_on_Probation|remedy 1.1]] of the 2006 [[Wikipedia:Requests for arbitration/Ed Poor 2|Ed Poor 2]] case, {{userlinks|Ed Poor}} was placed on probation. Under the terms of the probation, he was banned from two topics in 2008 and 2009. The probation and topic bans under its terms are now rescinded.}}
== Sexbeatrecords/now KryptonicChristine ==
For the Arbitration Committee, '''[[User:L235|Kevin]]''' (<small>aka</small> [[User:L235|L235]] '''·'''  [[User talk:L235#top|t]] '''·'''  [[Special:Contribs/L235|c]]) 21:37, 6 February 2017 (UTC)
I was going to remove the block, but she created a new account.......should we let it go? [[User:331dot|331dot]] ([[User talk:331dot|talk]]) 13:48, 28 November 2024 (UTC)
: Discuss this at: '''[[Wikipedia talk:Arbitration Committee/Noticeboard#Arbitration motion regarding Ed Poor 2]]'''
:Argh. This person just does not listen to anything anyone tells them, but, to be fair, the ''initial'' notice I dropped on their talk page, which they may have finally actually read, said they could just create a new account, and I did say I was ok with an unblock. I'm exasperated, I don't think they are acting in bad faith, it's more like lack of clue and unwillingness to actually read and understand advice. I guess we just leave the old account blocked, you've already advised them that, for what that's worth, that creating a new one was a mistake. [[User:Just Step Sideways|Just Step Sideways]] [[User talk:Just Step Sideways|<sup>from this world ..... today</sup>]] 18:20, 28 November 2024 (UTC)
== Unblock ==
::Thanks, that was kinda my line of thinking. Argh indeed.... [[User:331dot|331dot]] ([[User talk:331dot|talk]]) 18:26, 28 November 2024 (UTC)
== Do you recall ... ==
Hi Beeblebrox, I've unblocked JMC89 bot following [[Wikipedia:Administrators'_noticeboard#Bot_removing_headings_.2F_comments_from_infoboxes.3B_Bot_creator_ignoring_requests_to_fix_the_problem]] - the offending task is now disabled pending resolution at [[WP:BON]]. If you strongly disagree feel free to reblock without WHEEL concerns (but please follow up at BON if you do). — [[User:Xaosflux|<span style="color:#FF9933; font-weight:bold; font-family:monotype;">xaosflux</span>]] <sup>[[User talk:Xaosflux|<span style="color:#009933;">Talk</span>]]</sup> 05:35, 10 February 2017 (UTC)
:For the record that's fine with me, it was as much to get the bot op to take it seriously as anything else. [[User:Beeblebrox|Beeblebrox]] ([[User talk:Beeblebrox#top|talk]]) 01:41, 11 February 2017 (UTC)
Hi, Just Step Sideways. First, thank you for responding to my recent question of you as an Arb Committee candidate. I had wanted to ask it of all 12 candidates but found using the Source Editor question template so confusing that I ended up asking only CaptainEek and you, the first two candidates on the list. Then I had to give up in the interest of time, but I sent the voting commissioners a strong suggestion to make it easier for us to ask questions of candidates (preferably just asking Wiki's tekkies to make this possible in the Visual Editor instead of the bewildering Source Editor).
== Requesting access to deleted article ==
Now I have an unusual request. Somewhere in the election messages I came across an exchange between you and someone else in which you were indirectly bemoaning the US election and saying something about waking up in the morning and fixing our country — to which the other editor said something about how amazing it would be for you to be able to do that. I know I'm not quoting accurately. But I found her (his?) comment so hilarious that I wanted to send a little token of my enjoyment. Do you remember that editor's name, or the general location of where that exchange took place so I can go find it?
A request was sent my way for information on a startup. I replied to the person making the query they should start with Bloomberg, then Inc., the startupgrind, then wikipedia. Their response was an affirmative on the first three, but a zero on the wikipedia.
You got my vote for the committee, by the way. I really liked how you explained the issue of your having been penalized for whatever you did that got you in deep yogurt with the committee. You admitted you could have done things differently but had learned from that experience. That completely changed my original plan not to vote for you when I began reading about it. If there's any place in the world where learning from life is needed, it's here in Wikipedia! [[User:Augnablik|Augnablik]] ([[User talk:Augnablik|talk]]) 06:21, 30 November 2024 (UTC)
After confirming with my own search, I came up with the following: [https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Articles_for_deletion/Everipedia_(2nd_nomination) an AfD on the subject].
:Thanks. I'm afraid I don't recall the exchange you are referring to though. [[User:Just Step Sideways|Just Step Sideways]] [[User talk:Just Step Sideways|<sup>from this world ..... today</sup>]] 19:18, 30 November 2024 (UTC)
I am an academic editor (former prof), now in the e-business/digital business startup world, but I continue with the service editing that I did when I was at my last university. I would like access to the earlier article draft, and cannot seem to lay my hands on it. Can you send me a link? I want to see what the issues were.
::"Such is life."
::Durn. It was such an amusing comment from the other editor. She (I think it was a she) said she'd give you a cappuccino or else that you deserved one if you could fix the country in the morning … [[User:Augnablik|Augnablik]] ([[User talk:Augnablik|talk]]) 20:48, 30 November 2024 (UTC)
:::[[Wikipedia_talk:Arbitration_Committee_Elections_December_2024/Coordination#wha?|Here you go]]. Regards, [[User:Newyorkbrad|Newyorkbrad]] ([[User talk:Newyorkbrad|talk]]) 22:00, 30 November 2024 (UTC)
::::Oh, all the way back at the begining of ACE, that feels like a year ago now. [[User:Just Step Sideways|Just Step Sideways]] [[User talk:Just Step Sideways|<sup>from this world ..... today</sup>]] 22:21, 30 November 2024 (UTC)
:::::You mean it wasn't just a week or so ago? Maybe I missed that. [[User:Augnablik|Augnablik]] ([[User talk:Augnablik|talk]]) 01:18, 1 December 2024 (UTC)
== Deletion review for [[:Rafael de Orleans e Bragança]] ==
Cheers, Le Prof [[User:Leprof 7272|Leprof 7272]] ([[User talk:Leprof 7272|talk]]) 13:06, 12 February 2017 (UTC)
An editor has asked for [[Wikipedia:Deletion review#Rafael de Orleans e Bragança|'''a deletion review''']] of [[:Rafael de Orleans e Bragança]]. Because you closed the deletion discussion for this page, speedily deleted it, or otherwise were interested in the page, you might want to participate in the deletion review.<!-- Template:DRV notice --> [[User:Svartner|Svartner]] ([[User talk:Svartner|talk]]) 00:10, 2 December 2024 (UTC)
== December music ==
:There is no link, because the article was deleted, but if you are interested in trying to improve it I can [[WP:USERFY]] it for you. [[User:Beeblebrox|Beeblebrox]] ([[User talk:Beeblebrox#top|talk]]) 21:30, 12 February 2017 (UTC)
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::{{ping|Beeblebrox}} Please do USERFY, thank you. Will look for directions here to access. Cheers, Le Prof [[User:Leprof 7272|Leprof 7272]] ([[User talk:Leprof 7272|talk]]) 15:13, 20 February 2017 (UTC)
November was rich in sadness and happiness for me, expressed in [[User:Gerda Arendt#music|music]]. Today is the last day for the election of arbitrators. Regarding my question to candidates like you, I found one so far who looked into the matter and didn't stay at the surface, [[User talk:Simonm223#cand q|Simonm223]]. There are two composers on the Main page today, [[Siegfried Thiele]] and [[Aaron Copland]]. I find the response of my friend [[Jerome Kohl]] to a question on Copland's article talk promising. What do you think? -- [[User:Gerda Arendt|Gerda Arendt]] ([[User talk:Gerda Arendt|talk]]) 08:50, 2 December 2024 (UTC)
[[User:Gerda Arendt/Stories#6 Dec|Today's story]] comes from a DYK about a concert that fascinated me, and you can listen! For my taste, the hook has too little music - I miss the unusual scoring and the specific dedication - but it comes instead with a name good for viewcount. I'd still like to know what you think about the Copland posts. --[[User:Gerda Arendt|Gerda Arendt]] ([[User talk:Gerda Arendt|talk]]) 16:21, 6 December 2024 (UTC)
== Closure ==
On the Main page today [[Jean Sibelius]] on his birthday. Listening to Beethoven's [[Symphony No. 5 (Beethoven)|Fifth]] from the [[:File:Notre-Dame de Paris, across the Seine, before reopening.jpg|opening of Notre-Dame de Paris]]. We [[User:Gerda Arendt/Images 2024#8 Dec|sang in choirs]] today. --[[User:Gerda Arendt|Gerda Arendt]] ([[User talk:Gerda Arendt|talk]]) 20:56, 8 December 2024 (UTC)
You closed the following [[Wikipedia:Administrators'_noticeboard/Incidents#Ad_hominem_at_Talk:Donald_Trump]] on the premise that it was before boomerangs would ensue. For this to occur there must be a policy violation on my side. There is none, so I am completely befuddled as to what you are referring to. [[User:CFCF|<span style="color:#014225;font-family: Copperplate Gothic Bold;text-shadow:0px -1px 0px #014225;">Carl Fredrik</span>]]<span style="font-size: .90em;">[[User talk:CFCF| 💌]] [[Special:EmailUser/CFCF|📧]]</span> 23:03, 16 February 2017 (UTC)
:because you were making a big deal out of nothing. [[User:Beeblebrox|Beeblebrox]] ([[User talk:Beeblebrox#top|talk]]) 23:04, 16 February 2017 (UTC)
::There was a policy violation of [[WP:CIVIL]] and [[WP:ADHOMINEM]] followed by reverts of any attempts to follow routine procedure in such cases. To say it is a making a big deal out of nothing is to ignore the seeming credibility gained by smearing the dissenting party in a content dispute. I gave clear examples of the user ignoring my requests and references to policy, while he wrote an incorrect and derogatory message on the talk page. I would never have taken it to AN/I had he not requested I do so. This is a case where following the rules results in a win by the rule-breaker. [[User:CFCF|<span style="color:#014225;font-family: Copperplate Gothic Bold;text-shadow:0px -1px 0px #014225;">Carl Fredrik</span>]]<span style="font-size: .90em;">[[User talk:CFCF| 💌]] [[Special:EmailUser/CFCF|📧]]</span> 23:09, 16 February 2017 (UTC)
:::Nobody agrees with you that there was a violation there. [[WP:STICK|Let it go]]. [[User:Beeblebrox|Beeblebrox]] ([[User talk:Beeblebrox#top|talk]]) 23:10, 16 February 2017 (UTC)
Listen today to the (new) [[Perplexities after Escher]]. --[[User:Gerda Arendt|Gerda Arendt]] ([[User talk:Gerda Arendt|talk]]) 10:35, 12 December 2024 (UTC)
I like your return to the well-known name. --[[User:Gerda Arendt|Gerda Arendt]] ([[User talk:Gerda Arendt|talk]]) 21:37, 15 December 2024 (UTC)
:Totally my fault, I failed to anticipate that people would just start calling me "JSS" and I just did not care for that. I did make a new signature with another pop culture reference in it though. This time a bit less obscure. [[User:Beeblebrox|El Beeblerino]] [[User talk:Beeblebrox|<sup>if you're not into the whole brevity thing</sup>]] 21:40, 15 December 2024 (UTC)
:[[Wikipedia:Administrators' noticeboard/Incidents#OVERLINKING and redirect problems]] [[User:Beeblebrox|Beeblebrox]] ([[User talk:Beeblebrox#top|talk]]) 01:08, 17 February 2017 (UTC)
:: That, however, is an area I am blind for. I'm quite happy that my real name is short enough to be useful, and while I accumulated dirt associated with it it never became enough for me to make me think about a change. --[[User:Gerda Arendt|Gerda Arendt]] ([[User talk:Gerda Arendt|talk]]) 21:49, 15 December 2024 (UTC)
:: Listen today to [[Beethoven]]'s 3rd cello sonata, on his birthday - it was a hook in the [[User:Gerda Arendt/Stories#16 Dec|2020 DYK set]] when his 250th birthday was remembered. I picked a recording with [[Antonio Meneses]], because he was on my [[Wikipedia:WikiProject Quality Article Improvement/Recent deaths|sad list]] this year, and I was in Brazil (see places), and I love his playing. --[[User:Gerda Arendt|Gerda Arendt]] ([[User talk:Gerda Arendt|talk]]) 16:10, 16 December 2024 (UTC)
:: I come to fix the cellist's name, with [[User:Gerda Arendt/Stories#18 Dec|a 10-years-old DYK]] and new pics - look for red birds --[[User:Gerda Arendt|Gerda Arendt]] ([[User talk:Gerda Arendt|talk]]) 17:54, 18 December 2024 (UTC)
== Administrators' newsletter – December 2024 ==
== Review ==
Hi Dear Admin
[[Wikipedia:Administrators' newsletter|News and updates for administrators]] from the past month (November 2024).
Please review [https://en.wikipedia.org/enwiki/w/index.php?title=Wikipedia:Administrators%27_noticeboard/Incidents&diff=prev&oldid=766168750 my last report] on [[Wikipedia:Administrators' noticeboard/Incidents]],
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Sincerely, Modern Sciences [[User:Modern Sciences|Modern Sciences]] ([[User talk:Modern Sciences|talk]]) 17:21, 18 February 2017 (UTC)
While there's nothing wrong with removing ''unresponded'' discussions started by banned users, please don't remove discussions which were responded by users in good standing. In stead, please simply collapse them, with a comment that the OP is a sock of a banned user. [[User:Od Mishehu|עוד מישהו]] [[User talk:Od Mishehu|Od Mishehu]] 13:27, 20 February 2017 (UTC)
:Pretty sure this falls within the realm of administrative discretion. [[User:Beeblebrox|Beeblebrox]] ([[User talk:Beeblebrox#top|talk]]) 19:52, 24 February 2017 (UTC)
…regarding USERFYing [[Everipedia]], see above, thank you. Fine with me to delete this entry after it catches your attention. Cheers, Le Prof [[User:Leprof 7272|Leprof 7272]] ([[User talk:Leprof 7272|talk]]) 15:15, 20 February 2017 (UTC)
|[[Special:Permalink/1257592926#Change to the CheckUser team, November 2024|Spicy]]
::{{done}}, it is now at [[User:Leprof 7272/Everipedia]]. [[User:Beeblebrox|Beeblebrox]] ([[User talk:Beeblebrox#top|talk]]) 19:11, 20 February 2017 (UTC)
|[[Special:Permalink/1257061609#CheckUser and conflict of interest VRT appointments, November 2024|TheresNoTime]]
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[[File:Green check.svg|20px|alt=]] '''Guideline and policy news'''
== Regarding your VPP closure ==
* Following [[Wikipedia talk:Administrators#RFC: Resysoppings after five years with no administrative actions|an RFC]], the [[Wikipedia:Administrators#Restoration of adminship|policy on restoration of adminship]] has been updated. All former administrators may now only regain the tools following a request at the [[Wikipedia:Bureaucrats' noticeboard]] within 5 years of their most recent admin action. Previously this applied only to administrators deysopped for inactivity.
* Following a [[Wikipedia talk:Criteria for speedy deletion#RfC: Enacting T5 (unused template subpages)|request for comment]], a new speedy deletion criterion, [[WP:T5|T5]], has been enacted. This applies to template subpages that are no longer used.
(Discussing [[Wikipedia:Village_pump_(proposals)#Unpatrol_moved_pages|this]]) - Could you create a phab ticket and perhaps put it in the section using {{tl|Tracked}}. Thanks, [[User:DatGuy|Dat Guy]]<sup>[[User talk:DatGuy|Talk]]</sup><sub>[[Special:Contributions/DatGuy|Contribs]]</sub> 11:35, 24 February 2017 (UTC)
* Technical volunteers can now register for the [[mw:Special:MyLanguage/Wikimedia Hackathon 2025|2025 Wikimedia Hackathon]], which will take place in Istanbul, Turkey. [https://pretix.eu/wikimedia/hackathon2025/ Application for travel and accommodation scholarships] is open from November 12 to December 10, 2024.
[[File:Scale of justice 2.svg|20px|alt=]] '''Arbitration'''
::This would be why my closure specified "whatever technical changes are needed to actually do it." I barely even know what you mean, and I'm afraid I don't really know how to do it. [[User:Beeblebrox|Beeblebrox]] ([[User talk:Beeblebrox#top|talk]]) 19:55, 24 February 2017 (UTC)
* The arbitration case ''[[Wikipedia:Arbitration/Requests/Case/Yasuke|Yasuke]]'' (formerly titled ''[[Wikipedia:Arbitration/Requests/Case/Backlash to diversity and inclusion|Backlash to diversity and inclusion]]'') has been closed.
:::I see that JJMC89 did it. As a short explanation, it is kind of like a hub where developers discuss technical tasks (see [[WP:PHAB]]). Then, if something technical is requested in the task (sometimes, tasks are only for discussion) a patch is usually uploaded to [[mw:Gerrit]]. If there are no issues with the code, the patch is merged into the code and might take effect at a [[wikitech:SWAT|swat deployment]]. It's all very confusing and I still am learning new things, but I hope I gave a basic summary of it. [[User:DatGuy|Dat Guy]]<sup>[[User talk:DatGuy|Talk]]</sup><sub>[[Special:Contributions/DatGuy|Contribs]]</sub> 10:53, 25 February 2017 (UTC)
* An arbitration case titled ''[[Wikipedia:Arbitration/Requests/Case/Palestine-Israel articles 5|Palestine-Israel articles 5]]'' has been opened. Evidence submissions in this case will close on 14 December.
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Hi please review [https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Special:Contributions/86.186.169.144 this IP address] editions. None of the Admins check this IP's editions. for example [https://en.wikipedia.org/enwiki/w/index.php?title=Levon_Hayrapetyan&diff=prev&oldid=767166292 this one] thank you. [[User:Modern Sciences|Modern Sciences]] ([[User talk:Modern Sciences|talk]]) 16:27, 24 February 2017 (UTC)
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==AfD on Parents Worship Day==
Can you describe which comment convinced you that the article should be kept?[https://en.wikipedia.org/enwiki/w/index.php?title=Wikipedia:Articles_for_deletion/Parents%27_Worship_Day_(2nd_nomination)&diff=prev&oldid=1261048993] I only see the canvassed small accounts spamming the routine coverage by the [[WP:NEWSORGINDIA]] sources which is unhelpful when it comes to making claims about notability. [[User:CharlesWain|CharlesWain]] ([[User talk:CharlesWain|talk]]) 11:07, 4 December 2024 (UTC)
:I'm not sure what it is you are asking. What is wrong with that edit, exactly? [[User:Beeblebrox|Beeblebrox]] ([[User talk:Beeblebrox#top|talk]]) 19:58, 24 February 2017 (UTC)
:I said I did not see a consensus to delete it, not that I personally believed it should be kept. [[User:Just Step Sideways|Just Step Sideways]] [[User talk:Just Step Sideways|<sup>from this world ..... today</sup>]] 19:24, 4 December 2024 (UTC)
::But there was consensus to delete it since all of the established editors either voiced for delete or merge/redirect. Those who voiced for keeping the article were all SPAs or canvassed editors with no prior participation in AfDs. [[User:CharlesWain|CharlesWain]] ([[User talk:CharlesWain|talk]]) 03:12, 5 December 2024 (UTC)
:::I don't agree with that assessment. [[User:Just Step Sideways|Just Step Sideways]] [[User talk:Just Step Sideways|<sup>from this world ..... today</sup>]] 03:23, 5 December 2024 (UTC)
== comment on site ban request ==
What it is wrong with [https://en.wikipedia.org/enwiki/w/index.php?title=Levon_Hayrapetyan&diff=prev&oldid=767124503 this] edition that IP reverses it.
Regarding [[Wikipedia:Arbitration/Requests/Clarification_and_Amendment#c-Just_Step_Sideways-20241207213400-Just_Step_Sideways-20241206233100|your comment on motivation]]: given [[Special:GoToComment/c-Crouch, Swale-20240114181200-Crouch, Swale-20240113112500|this comment made during the January 2024 appeal]] and the immediately following one, it seems that the editor is just following through with their announced plans due to their discontent on having editing restrictions. [[User:Isaacl|isaacl]] ([[User talk:Isaacl|talk]]) 22:22, 7 December 2024 (UTC)
:I missed that at the time, but I am very aware of his yearly tradition of asking each January for restrictions to be lifted. I still think vanishing would be a viable option though.
:They explained their reasoning in their edit summary. If you disagree, the ''first'' step is to talk to them about it, not report them to an admin. [[User:Beeblebrox|Beeblebrox]] ([[User talk:Beeblebrox#top|talk]]) 21:08, 24 February 2017 (UTC)
:I've seen the "block me or I'll do something to make you block me" approach a few times and I just think it's a really bad move. The user often comes back later like "ok I'm over it now, let me back in" and the answer is always a firm no. [[User:Just Step Sideways|Just Step Sideways]] [[User talk:Just Step Sideways|<sup>from this world ..... today</sup>]] 22:42, 7 December 2024 (UTC)
::It comes a bit too close to suggesting a clean start for my taste. But in any case, the point was that it doesn't sound like someone who's primarily concerned about being unable to stop editing. [[User:Isaacl|isaacl]] ([[User talk:Isaacl|talk]]) 22:52, 7 December 2024 (UTC)
== ACE2040 ==
::FYI, this user has had issues with multiple people, and is the subject of an [[Wikipedia:Administrators%27_noticeboard/Incidents#Modern_Sciences.2C_disruptive_editing|open ANI thread]] destined for inevitable archive. See also [https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User_talk:86.186.169.144 here] where the IP does a fairly commendable job of trying to explain things through the fairly obvious ''English issues''. And I'll just say you're not the first admin he has tried to get to intervene in his content disputes. [[User:Timothyjosephwood|<span style="color:#a56d3f;font-family:Impact;">Timothy</span><span style="color:#6f3800;font-family:Impact;">Joseph</span><span style="color:#422501;font-family:Impact;">Wood</span>]] 21:11, 24 February 2017 (UTC)
I'm really sorry they didn't let you back on the committee - it proves how short sighted the electorate is. Nevertheless you're still an admin and that's important for one with your experience, so don't let the result put you off from trying again next year. The overall results will come as a relief for many, but WP has its first non-admin arb and at least one or two with very little admin experience. There will be a lot of talk about this result. It proves again that with so few contenders it's ''relatively'' too easy to get a seat - all but 2 got a pass mark. IMO it's time to either redesign the electoral system or chuck the whole Arbcom thing out and replace it with something else. There is a better gender balance this time, but it remains to be seen which of them will be around when they are needed. [[User:Kudpung|Kudpung กุดผึ้ง]] ([[User talk:Kudpung|talk]]) 00:21, 9 December 2024 (UTC)
{{ping|Timothyjosephwood}} what is wrong with [https://en.wikipedia.org/enwiki/w/index.php?title=Levon_Hayrapetyan&diff=prev&oldid=767124503 this] edition[[User:Modern Sciences|Modern Sciences]] ([[User talk:Modern Sciences|talk]]) 21:18, 24 February 2017 (UTC)
::Are you able to read and understand the other user's [[WP:ES|edit summary]] when removing it? Because, again, they explained themselves and if you don't agree you should talk to them about it. Be sure to clearly express why you added it and why their stated reason for removing it was incorrect. [[User:Beeblebrox|Beeblebrox]] ([[User talk:Beeblebrox#top|talk]]) 21:21, 24 February 2017 (UTC)
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:Thanks. While I'm obviously disappointed, I'm also pretty ok with it as the three top vote-getters are all people I am thrilled to see on the committee. Liz got NYB numbers, that's a hell of a mandate. I ran because the committee seemed to be in crisis and needed help, I'm now confident it will get that help.
== Some questions of a new blood :) ==
:It does concern me to once again see neutral non-votes be a clear deciding factor for some candidates. I'm not sure why the solution is to that. I also don't think Daniel not being an admin at this exact moment is really big news as he can have his tools back any time he wants them. [[User:Just Step Sideways|Just Step Sideways]] [[User talk:Just Step Sideways|<sup>from this world ..... today</sup>]] 01:34, 9 December 2024 (UTC)
::I think there would have been a lot of tactical voting that affected the results. When I vote on such secret poll elections I vote only for the candidate(s) I want and usually neutral all the others - if I feel very strongly I might oppose one. At the end of the day, with the exception of your score, the rest of the result was for a fairly reasonable (one hopes) committee - if they fully understand the tasks and workload that awaits them. [[User:Kudpung|Kudpung กุดผึ้ง]] ([[User talk:Kudpung|talk]]) 03:21, 9 December 2024 (UTC)
Hi , and thanks for your friendly wellcom.
I am new to wiki , as a registered member, i just used to search topics in as an encyclopedia. But then i decided to do more as it is realy a valuble achaivment for all humankind.
I will need plenty of time to learn the basics, but somthing has baffled me, somebody frequently rollsback a page , a usual one about a small town, the content wich was lost was just some information about cordination and natural conditions of the place, so i couldn't find a reason why somebody rolls it back evry time, then i searched about admins and the pre-requirements of becoming an admin, a high edit count!!!
Then i guessed maybe the person doing this is just trying to rise his edition counts to look an active member, it seemed dangerus to me, as during such a process he may sacrifice valuable informations.
Is that a real treat to wiki as i feel or not? If yes why it (high edit counts) is considered as a condition to become an admin , as it may encurage some immature personalities to harm the project.
Thanks a lot . [[User:Elsid-h|Elsid-h]] ([[User talk:Elsid-h|talk]]) 01:02, 25 February 2017 (UTC)
==Code AFDs==
:What is expected of admins is experience. One measure of that is number of edits, but other factors are how long someone has been contributing, and much more importantly what they have actually been doing. You could have all kinds of experience, and still not be suited for administration. It's not for everyone and it requires a certain temperament and evidence of good judgement. So, just pumping up your edit count by reverting people is pretty unlikely to get you adminship.
Hello, Beebs,
:It's hard to be any more specific about the exact edits you are referring to without a [[WP:DIFF]] or at least an idea of what article or articles you are talking about, but generally the right approach when you see edits you don't agree with is to try and discuss the matter with the other user or users involved. See [[WP:BRD]] for more about that. You'll find that most users are perfectly willing to explain why they did something if you just ask them. [[User:Beeblebrox|Beeblebrox]] ([[User talk:Beeblebrox#top|talk]]) 01:20, 25 February 2017 (UTC)
I didn't know what to do with all of those Code AFDs because the one participant in the discussion argued "Merge or transwiki" but didn't provide a merge target article or explain what transwiki involved. I've closed thousands of AFDs but this is a new one for me, what is involved with a "transwiki"? Thank you for any knowledge you can share. <span style="font-family:Papyrus; color:#800080;">[[User:Liz|'''''L'''''iz]]</span> <sup style="font-family: Times New Roman; color: #006400;">[[Special:Contributions/Liz|'''''Read!''''']] [[User talk:Liz|'''''Talk!''''']]</sup>
== Last plea for help from you. ==
:[https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Help:Transwiki Transwiki] is copying or importing an article to another wiki. It was more common in the early days. It's certainly not a normal AFD result, and to me it seems like we probably shouldn't do it unless whatever wiki it is targeted to actually ''wants'' it. My hope is that relisting them goes somewhere more conclusive, but it may be a longshot. [[User:Just Step Sideways|Just Step Sideways]] [[User talk:Just Step Sideways|<sup>from this world ..... today</sup>]] 05:40, 12 December 2024 (UTC)
{{collapse top|Blatant [[WP:FORUMSHOP|forum shopping]]. This is a content dispute, I'm not going to unilaterally ban anyone over it, and it's pretty ridiculous to repost an entire noticeboard thread on my talk page. [[User:Beeblebrox|Beeblebrox]] ([[User talk:Beeblebrox#top|talk]]) 22:54, 25 February 2017 (UTC)}}
I am currently finding it very difficult to be an editor at Wikipedia and am saddened by the lack of support from Administrators. Therefore, this is the last plea I make to you before I give up on this site all together. I posted this on the Wikpedia:Administrator's notice and have been given no help at all :
:I saw those, relisted one and then went oh hell, no. Thanks JSS for the context on transwiki as I was similarly not clear. Hope to be more helpful in the AfD queue in the new year @[[User:Liz|Liz]]. [[User:Star Mississippi|<span style="color:#be33ff;">Star</span>]] [[User talk:Star Mississippi|<span style="color:#ff33da;">Mississippi</span>]] 01:19, 14 December 2024 (UTC)
"I have requested for Piriczki (talk · contribs · logs · edit filter log · block log) to be banned previously and he has been warned but yet continues to edit disruptively. As stated before, he has no regard for facts or citations of verifiable sources. Every time I ask him to provide a source for his edits he replies with "Fake news, very unfair" or "Unfair" without justifying his claims of me posting fake news. As suggested by Wikipedia Administrators, I have complained on this page before and am doing so again, I have tried to discuss it personally with him on his talk page but he has refused to comply and deleted my requests for him to behave in an orderly fashion. I am the only one who is actually willing to discuss this issue as he does not wish to do so. He also shows signs of editing page to suit his liking and shows a tremendous amount of bias when it comes to edits. His talk page too is full of complaints from other users. I further state that he has also removed the warning from Beeblebrox (talk · contribs · logs · edit filter log · block log) from his talk page. I say that I have not engaged in edit warring with him as I have been warned not to do so again but he continues to try and undermine all that is good here at Wikipedia. I further state that on the current page we are having a dispute over, List of best-selling albums by year in the United States (edit | talk | history | links | watch | logs), I have cited verifiable sources for all my edits like the RIAA and he has failed to do so on multiple occasions and claims that I am posting fake news. I sincerely request that someone look into this situation carefully and have him banned as he is completely and utterly non-compliant with other users and does what he wishes without giving any justification for his actions. Thank You.
== Deletion review for [[:Cartoys]] ==
Link to his talk page : User talk:Piriczki (edit | subject | history | links | watch | logs)
An editor has asked for [[Wikipedia:Deletion review#Cartoys|'''a deletion review''']] of [[:Cartoys]]. Because you closed the deletion discussion for this page, speedily deleted it, or otherwise were interested in the page, you might want to participate in the deletion review.<!-- Template:DRV notice --> '''[[User:SounderBruce|<span style="background:#2dc84d; color:#0033a0; padding:2px;">Sounder</span>]][[User talk:SounderBruce|<span style="background:#7ce0d3; color:black; padding:2px;">Bruce</span>]]''' 00:57, 14 December 2024 (UTC)
== Attention needed at username change request ==
Page we are currently having a dispute over : List of best-selling albums by year in the United States (edit | talk | history | links | watch | logs),
Hello. A renamer or clerk has responded to [[Wikipedia:Changing username/Simple#Just Step Sideways|your username change request]], but requires clarification before moving forward. Please follow up [[Wikipedia:Changing username/Simple#Just Step Sideways|at your username change request entry]] as soon as possible. Thank you. - <span style="font-family:Trebuchet MS">[[User:FlightTime|<span style="color:#800000">'''FlightTime'''</span>]] <small>([[User talk:FlightTime|<span style="color:#1C0978">'''open channel'''</span>]])</small></span> 09:06, 14 December 2024 (UTC)<!-- Template:CHU note -->
Talk page of the page we are having a dispute over : Talk:List of best-selling albums by year in the United States (edit | subject | history | links | watch | logs)"
"We generally don't ban people when they're actually correct. And especially not due to reports that contain multiple factual inaccuracies. Black Kite (talk) 21:59, 25 February 2017 (UTC)"
|style="vertical-align: middle; padding: 3px;" | If all admins and arbs were as sage as '''[[Special:Diff/1261742578|this]]''' WP wouldn't need ignoble venues such as Arbcom and RECALL. Every busy admin lives under a Sword of Damocles and when it falls the baby is often thrown out with the bathwater. Thank you again for being a constant voice of reason. [[User:Kudpung|Kudpung กุดผึ้ง]] ([[User talk:Kudpung|talk]]) 21:42, 14 December 2024 (UTC)
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:I'm quite pleased that it resolved the way it did. Mike's generally ok, and I've even met him in real life. I did not want the matter to escalate, and we wouldn't see nearly as much escalation if more admins were willing to call out things like overzealous blocking. [[User:Beeblebrox|Beeblebrox]] ([[User talk:Beeblebrox#top|talk]]) 00:45, 15 December 2024 (UTC)
"Actually, Piriczki has stated multiple reliable sources on the talk page, and you've ignored him completely and changed the article to an incorrect state through your misunderstanding of the source you used (you used a RIAA link which shows total all time sales of an album, not those for a particular year, 1992 in this case). I've changed the article in line with the reliable sources that Piriczki showed. As well as those claims being incorrect, I don't see his talkpage being "full of complaints" nor any "tremendous amounts of bias" in his edits. In other words, practially all of your complaint is incorrect. Black Kite (talk) 21:59, 25 February 2017 (UTC)"
::I've come to think that one of the most important qualities in an admin is the ability to say "{{xt|Hands up, I screwed up, I was wrong, sorry}}". A lot of high drama, and a desysop or two, has been caused by that not happening. Similarly, a lot of people seem to like the "[https://www.qedcat.com/moviemath/holy_grail.html thrill of the chase]" at ANI when an admin is brought forward for screwing up in some manner, and people lose their heads and shout for a desysop and ban for a spelling mistake. [[User:Ritchie333|<b style="color:#7F007F">Ritchie333</b>]] [[User talk:Ritchie333|<sup style="color:#7F007F">(talk)</sup>]] [[Special:Contributions/Ritchie333|<sup style="color:#7F007F">(cont)</sup>]] 11:05, 15 December 2024 (UTC)
:::I've often said that everyone makes mistakes, it is what they do after that is the real test of their character. Some people let their ego get in their way and just dig in, even when everyone agrees they were in the wrong. I saw that more than once in my time on the committee. It's painful to watch. [[User:Beeblebrox|El Beeblerino]] [[User talk:Beeblebrox|<sup>if you're not into the whole brevity thing</sup>]] 20:23, 15 December 2024 (UTC)
==Beebs==
Hello, Beeblebrox,
I was getting used to JSS but, personally, you'll always be Beeblebrox to me and I'm happy that you returned to your original username. As for El Beeblerino? Well, give me a little more time, please. ;-) <span style="font-family:Papyrus; color:#800080;">[[User:Liz|'''''L'''''iz]]</span> <sup style="font-family: Times New Roman; color: #006400;">[[Special:Contributions/Liz|'''''Read!''''']] [[User talk:Liz|'''''Talk!''''']]</sup> 22:42, 15 December 2024 (UTC)
My complaint was subsequently shut down for the second time on the Administrators page after that. I would also like to say that : 1) {{Userlinks|Piriczki}} was absolutely in the wrong and there was profound bias from his side, 2) {{Userlinks|Piriczki}} has never once stated reliable sources on the talk page, you can see this for yourself, 3) I have no "misunderstanding" of any source I user and I have not ignored him at all, in fact, I have tried discussing it with him on his talk page and he has deleted the section I created and 4) There are complaints on his talk page(which you can again see for yourself), although he has deleted a lot of them as well as deleting the warning you gave him the last time he engaged in edit warring and he has also deleted the two notifications I sent on his talk page informing him that there was a discussion about him on the Administrators noticeboard.
:It's kind of a joke based on how people were abbreviating my name to JSS. I probably won't keep the sig very long but the idea made me laugh. [[User:Beeblebrox|El Beeblerino]] [[User talk:Beeblebrox|<sup>if you're not into the whole brevity thing</sup>]] 22:44, 15 December 2024 (UTC)
I ask you for the first and last time to please look into this matter as I really want to help improve this great site but I am finding it impossible to do so with these two users and their malicious lies. Please do something.
::Your new signature gave me a good chuckle :) Fun to see you back as Beeblebrox...now I can keep thinking about good 'ol [[Zaphod]] everytime I see your username. [[User:CaptainEek|<b style="color:#6a1f7f">CaptainEek</b>]] <sup>[[User talk:CaptainEek|<i style="font-size:82%; color:#a479e5">Edits Ho Cap'n!</i>]]</sup>[[Special:Contributions/CaptainEek|⚓]] 03:57, 17 December 2024 (UTC)
:::All the cool kids' names start with El: myself, the ineffable name of God, others I'm sure... [[User:El_C|El_C]] 15:49, 18 December 2024 (UTC)
:Oooh, I didn't know that you could also change your username back to your old one! TIL. Some gaming and social media platforms don't let you reuse previously used names. — [[User:AP 499D25|<span style="background:#1F6295;color:white;padding:1q 5q;border-radius:10q;font-family:Franklin Gothic, Verdana">AP 499D25</span>]] [[User talk:AP 499D25|<span style="color:#1A527D">(talk)</span>]] 02:02, 20 December 2024 (UTC)
::Thanks all. I actually first tried to change in six years ago when [[Mark E. Smith]] died, but at that time users with as many edits as I have couldn't be renamed at all. By the time that changed I was on ArbCom and I didn't think ti would be kosher for a sitting arb to change their name so I sat on it until I wasn't on the committee anymore. I wasn't actually sure myself if I could change it back, and was pleasantly surprised when it turned out to be possible. [[User:Beeblebrox|El Beeblerino]] [[User talk:Beeblebrox|<sup>if you're not into the whole brevity thing</sup>]] 02:11, 20 December 2024 (UTC)
== Username block question ==
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Strange question, maybe (and for any talk page stalkers, completely unrelated to the current AN thread) - but I've seen a non-zero number of accounts warned/blocked for having usernames that referenced fictional organizations. (Think Strexcorp from [[Welcome to Nightvale]], or Pym Industries from the [[Ant-Man]] comics, or Pokemon characters). No spamming, at least not that I could see with my mortal eyes. Username policy has never really interested me, but this is pretty obviously an area you're experienced in- are these kinds of blocks/warnings in line with current policy/practice? If not, have they ever been? [[User:GreenLipstickLesbian|GreenLipstickLesbian]] ([[User talk:GreenLipstickLesbian|talk]]) 01:31, 16 December 2024 (UTC)
<nowiki>== Request for ban of user {{Userlinks|Piriczki}} ==</nowiki>
{{archive top|result=We generally don't ban people when they're actually correct. And especially not due to reports that contain multiple factual inaccuracies. [[User_talk:Black Kite|Black Kite (talk)]] 21:59, 25 February 2017 (UTC)}}
I have requested for {{Userlinks|Piriczki}} to be banned previously and he has been warned but yet continues to edit disruptively. As stated before, he has no regard for facts or citations of verifiable sources. Every time I ask him to provide a source for his edits he replies with "Fake news, very unfair" or "Unfair" without justifying his claims of me posting fake news. As suggested by Wikipedia Administrators, I have complained on this page before and am doing so again, I have tried to discuss it personally with him on his talk page but he has refused to comply and deleted my requests for him to behave in an orderly fashion. I am the only one who is actually willing to discuss this issue as he does not wish to do so. He also shows signs of editing page to suit his liking and shows a tremendous amount of bias when it comes to edits. His talk page too is full of complaints from other users. I further state that he has also removed the warning from {{Userlinks|Beeblebrox}} from his talk page. I say that I have not engaged in edit warring with him as I have been warned not to do so again but he continues to try and undermine all that is good here at Wikipedia. I further state that on the current page we are having a dispute over, {{Pagelinks|List of best-selling albums by year in the United States}}, I have cited verifiable sources for all my edits like the RIAA and he has failed to do so on multiple occasions and claims that I am posting fake news. I sincerely request that someone look into this situation carefully and have him banned as he is completely and utterly non-compliant with other users and does what he wishes without giving any justification for his actions. Thank You.
:I believe the well known test case for this was [[User:Bronx Discount Liquor|Bronx Discount Liquor]], which sure ''looks like'' a real organization, but is not. [[WP:ORGNAME|ORGNAME]] is the relevant policy section, and it rightly makes no mention of blocking names that are fictional or made up organizations.
Link to his talk page : {{Pagelinks|User talk:Piriczki}}
:Part of the issue is that a lot of people who warn users for their names are not well-versed in the ins and outs of what is and is not blockable. It's pretty much a daily issue at [[WP:UAA|UAA]]. The standard is that the name clearly represents a real organization. This is usually easily established by the user making edits that make the connection clear. While we can't expect everyone to get every single pop culture reference, just kind of looking like it might be the name of an organization is not sufficient reason to either warn or block. At most a person could ask "is this the name of a real organization?" in a case where there are no edits to make that clear. [[User:Beeblebrox|El Beeblerino]] [[User talk:Beeblebrox|<sup>if you're not into the whole brevity thing</sup>]] 01:46, 16 December 2024 (UTC)
::Oh, that's interesting, thank you! I love test cases - funnily enough, I'm actually a username test case-ish on the Swedish Wikipedia. [https://sv.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Kommentarer_om_administrationen_av_Wikipedia/Arkiv_2023#GreenLipstickLesbian][https://sv.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Kommentarer_om_administrationen_av_Wikipedia/Arkiv_2024#Namn_med_anspelningar_p%C3%A5_sexualitet]. (What I find more interesting, though, is that the admin who blocked me literally has a userpage of the erroneous blocks they made, complete with reflections and links to apologies [https://sv.wikipedia.org/wiki/Anv%C3%A4ndare:Anhn/Admin#Blockeringar]. With all the conversations we've been having about admin accountability, a page like this is fascinating to read. Or, at least, it is to me.)
::But no, this conversation was educational, thank you. I know people who do warnings and reports may not always know policies, but I've seen enough cases where an admin actually followed through on the block that I was wondering if it was an accepted course of action. Thanks again, [[User:GreenLipstickLesbian|GreenLipstickLesbian]] ([[User talk:GreenLipstickLesbian|talk]]) 06:20, 16 December 2024 (UTC)
== The Student Room question ==
Page we are currently having a dispute over : {{Pagelinks|List of best-selling albums by year in the United States}},
Hi there, Sorry I had been on offline for the last couple of weeks and just seen today the decision to delete The Student Room page: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Articles_for_deletion/The_Student_Room
Talk page of the page we are having a dispute over : {{Pagelinks|Talk:List of best-selling albums by year in the United States}}
I have a declared COI with The Student Room and had been trying to propose an overhaul to that page as it was very poor. I do disagree that The Student Room itself doesn't seem to meet [[WP:GNG]] or [[WP:NWEB]] - which I believe is demonstrated on the draft page on my sandbox - https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User:ChrisN_at_The_Student_Room/sandbox
The Student Room has been an important UK website for over 20yrs, with 6 million monthly users, 75M posts and is basically the only UK student community website. It has done much work with UK government, politicians and UK universities and is quoted widely. I'm sorry I wasn't around to point this out whilst it was up for deletion.
* Actually, Piriczki has stated ''multiple'' reliable sources on the talk page, and you've ignored him completely and changed the article to an incorrect state through your misunderstanding of the source you used (you used a RIAA link which shows ''total all time'' sales of an album, not those for a particular year, 1992 in this case). I've changed the article in line with the reliable sources that Piriczki showed. As well as those claims being incorrect, I don't see his talkpage being "full of complaints" nor any "tremendous amounts of bias" in his edits. In other words, practially all of your complaint is incorrect. [[User_talk:Black Kite|Black Kite (talk)]] 21:59, 25 February 2017 (UTC)
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Would you object to me submitting my sandbox page for consideration as a new page for The Student Room? or how would you suggest I approach this please? I believe contacting the deleting editor is what I am supposed to do in this circumstance, so I hope that is OK.
Many thanks [[User:ChrisN at The Student Room|ChrisN at The Student Room]] ([[User talk:ChrisN at The Student Room|talk]]) 18:07, 16 December 2024 (UTC)
:If you submit it through [[WP:AFC|AFC]] I think that would be fine. [[User:Beeblebrox|El Beeblerino]] [[User talk:Beeblebrox|<sup>if you're not into the whole brevity thing</sup>]] 19:05, 16 December 2024 (UTC)
::Ah great. Will give that a go. Thank you! [[User:ChrisN at The Student Room|ChrisN at The Student Room]] ([[User talk:ChrisN at The Student Room|talk]]) 10:49, 17 December 2024 (UTC)
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:{{fixed}} Good catch, and of course since I was using the XFD closer it screwed up the actual redirect too. [[User:Beeblebrox|El Beeblerino]] [[User talk:Beeblebrox|<sup>if you're not into the whole brevity thing</sup>]] 00:13, 17 December 2024 (UTC)
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:Thanks. I haven't worked unblock requests in a while. and .... well let's just say it didn't work like this in the past. I had assumed that the problem was that most of them weren't being reviewed at all, turns out many if not most have a discussion, often involving multiple admins, but no resolution that ends with the appeal being either accepted or declined. It's bizarre. [[User:Beeblebrox|El Beeblerino]] [[User talk:Beeblebrox|<sup>if you're not into the whole brevity thing</sup>]] 20:55, 18 December 2024 (UTC)
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:I don't know how big of an ask this is, but could you maybe consider IAR{{Efn|I have no policy-based reason to mass-undo somebody's edits, especially now BANREVERT no longer applies, and nor do I have the clout to get away with it}} and rollbacking their article-space edits post unblock? I've spent the past hour combing my way through some of their additions to [[Jassa Singh Ahluwalia]], but given the close paraphrasing, the poor sourcing (check the history and you'll see I'm finding lots of material that was copied from one source and cited to another), could you maybe undo them before their edits get too embedded in the page history? If not, no worries, I'll try and spend the next month cleaning up after today's edits. It'll suck, but I mean, hey, it's not [[User:Moneytrees/Copyright blocks#When to block|the worst copyright unblock ever]], right? [[User:GreenLipstickLesbian|GreenLipstickLesbian]] ([[User talk:GreenLipstickLesbian|talk]]) 08:13, 19 December 2024 (UTC)
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::He really went for it, didn't he? Some people... Anyway, looks like a good bit of it has already been dealt with, but I think the risk here is high enough to just restore to versions from before yesterday in most cases. [[User:Beeblebrox|El Beeblerino]] [[User talk:Beeblebrox|<sup>if you're not into the whole brevity thing</sup>]] 20:57, 19 December 2024 (UTC)
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:::Oh, gosh yeah. Some people just suffer from serious cases of not understanding the problems they cause. It's frustrating, too, because it's always users in good faith causing these issues... but I suppose I don't have the power to save anybody from themselves. Thanks for doing the restorations! [[User:GreenLipstickLesbian|GreenLipstickLesbian]] ([[User talk:GreenLipstickLesbian|talk]]) 23:02, 19 December 2024 (UTC)
::::Those edit summaries saying "undid revision because my account is unblocked" was all I needed to see. That's a new one on me. I think this is a [[WP:CIR|CIR]] case. [[User:Beeblebrox|El Beeblerino]] [[User talk:Beeblebrox|<sup>if you're not into the whole brevity thing</sup>]] 23:11, 19 December 2024 (UTC)
:::::I think in this particular instance, they thought it was okay because their old edits had been removed under BANREVERT. Not a great idea, as it turns out, but as a maths person who suffers from chronic black and white thinking, I get the logic of "These were removed because X. X no longer applies. Therefore I can restore them". [[User:GreenLipstickLesbian|GreenLipstickLesbian]] ([[User talk:GreenLipstickLesbian|talk]]) 23:15, 19 December 2024 (UTC)
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:See [[WP:AWB]], they are using a tool that allows users to make mass corrections to grammar or syntax, etc. You can see when users are using most automated tools in their edit summaries, for example if you look at some of their recent talk page edits you can see that they were using [[WP:TWINKLE]], which you can activate for yourself from your preferences. [[User:Beeblebrox|Beeblebrox]] ([[User talk:Beeblebrox#top|talk]]) 20:16, 2 March 2017 (UTC)
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Last year, [[user:Hassan Rebell|Hassan Rebell]] was blocked by [[user:JzG|JzG]] per [[WP:NOTHERE]] because of his politically motivated hateful edits targeting a minority ethnic group. You gave a last chance him by reducing his block last year. However, he continues '''exactly''' (even worse) the same behaviour when '''logged out''' to escape an another block. [[User:Vanjagenije|Vanjagenije]] has suggested me to contact with you for re-block, since you are the one who reduced his block [https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User_talk:Vanjagenije#SPI_case 1]. For more detailed info and explanations, '''[https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User_talk:DoRD#Vicious_cycle:_A_long-term_vandal_gaming_the_system_and_problems_regarding_the_SPI_cases please take a look at this]'''. Bests, [[Special:Contributions/46.221.212.92|46.221.212.92]] ([[User talk:46.221.212.92|talk]]) 16:13, 3 March 2017 (UTC)
[[User:Abishe|Abishe]] ([[User talk:Abishe|talk]]) 22:35, 24 December 2024 (UTC)
:Since I was pinged at least once in each of the three previous attempts to get this user blocked, I was already well aware of this. The thing is, going around to individual admins with what appears to be a fairly complicated and involved explanation of why someone should be blocked is usually not a good approach. I reviewed an unblock request over a year ago, that does not obligate me to be permanently connected to this case, which frankly I don't remember at all. I imagine it's getting a little old to keep getting told to ask somewhere else, but I really think a complicated request like this belongs at [[WP:ANI]]. [[User:Beeblebrox|Beeblebrox]] ([[User talk:Beeblebrox#top|talk]]) 18:33, 3 March 2017 (UTC)
::It seems complicated but if one reads it thoroughly, he/she will see that it is not that complicated. '''The problem is simple: An user who was once blocked per NOTHERE, continues exactly the same behaviour when logged out via dynamic IPS and proxies (not to be blocked again).''' Is it allowed or not? Is there a WP policy for such situations? If not, i prefer to discuss it on village pump by offering a new proposal, since the main problem is lacking of proper policy for such cases. [[Special:Contributions/46.221.173.103|46.221.173.103]] ([[User talk:46.221.173.103|talk]]) 19:39, 3 March 2017 (UTC)
:::No, that would not be allowed and would be grounds for blocking of the IPs and the account. While the problem may be simple, sifting through the evidence and making a determination on whether it is all the same user is not. I would again suggest [[WP:ANI]] or possibly [[WP:SPI]] since you are alleging the user is using multiple identities. [[User:Beeblebrox|Beeblebrox]] ([[User talk:Beeblebrox#top|talk]]) 19:45, 3 March 2017 (UTC)
::::I already submitted a SPI on 9 January and provided dozens of evidences. Despite the checkuser also agreed that the IPS belong to Hassan Rebell/Lrednuas Senoroc, he did not re-blocked him [https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Sockpuppet_investigations/Lrednuas_Senoroc/Archive#09_January_2017_.28originally_30_December_2016.29 1]. [[Special:Contributions/46.221.168.163|46.221.168.163]] ([[User talk:46.221.168.163|talk]]) 20:02, 3 March 2017 (UTC)
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{{outdent}}Ok, I took a quick look here and this is what I see:
|} [[User:Abishe|Abishe]] ([[User talk:Abishe|talk]]) 22:35, 24 December 2024 (UTC)
*I think you are mistaken that anyone acting as a checkuser publicly confirmed any IPs as being used by a named account. Checkuesrs don't do that, ever, and the account is too stale for a reliable check anyway. They might agree based on behavioral evidence but CU data is considered confidential.
*As you were told at that SPI, blocking IPs that are not ''actively'' disrupting the project is not done.
*As this user apparently uses a wide variety of IPs, blocking them one by one wouldn't work anyway.
*The Hassan Rebell account hasn't edited in over a year, so blocking it won't do anything either regardless of whether these IP edits are them or not.
*I should think that after you've asked in five different places for a block and been told no again and again that you might start to get the idea that blocking probably isn't the right solution here.
*All that being the case, if you can show persistent disruption to specific articles by these IPs, you can [[WP:RFPP|request protection]] for them instead of asking admins to block IPs that made one edit a few months ago. I suggest you focus your efforts in that direction. [[User:Beeblebrox|Beeblebrox]] ([[User talk:Beeblebrox#top|talk]]) 20:14, 3 March 2017 (UTC)
:::Sigh. His account is stale but he is '''active'''. And no, blocking this vandal would be a very good solution, since it will stopped or altered the ip disruption. Being ip sock of a banned editor is not the same with unblocked one, you know it. And for blocking one account for sockpuppetry or disruptive edits, the CU is not necessary, there is a [[WP: DUCK]] policy for such cases. And you are right, since he uses plenty of ip ranges, range block will not help. And again, this guy was banned per NOTHERE but continues exactly the same behaviour via IPS. If he had used an account, he would have been banned 100 times. But no one can do anything now. Is it fair? No. The main problem is WP policies regarding ips. WP policies fail in dealing with such [[WP:GAMING|professional vandals]]. I will take it village pump when have a time and will propose new policies regarding ips and logged-out editings. Thank you for your quick feedbacks. Cheers, [[Special:Contributions/46.221.168.163|46.221.168.163]] ([[User talk:46.221.168.163|talk]]) 20:42, 3 March 2017 (UTC)
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And you think he's not able to see what's going on and decide for himself, and needs you to give advice (masquerading as a question), because ...? Floquenbeam (talk) 23:48, 18 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Nevermind. I'm just disappointed in almost everyone around here these days; I'm not sure why I thought that wouldn't be true of you too. Consider it a rhetorical question. Floquenbeam (talk) 23:50, 18 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]
I'll cop to it being a suggestion inside of a question. I'm not sure Graham has been honest with himself, based on comments I have seen him making, and this was an attempt to nudge him in that direction, not to kick him when he's down, but I can see how it could come off that way. Just Step Sidewaysfrom this world ..... today00:00, 19 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]
I agree, that was an utterly pointless and mean "question". If you want to say he should withdraw, just tell him he should elsewhere in the discussion or on his Talk—you're not earnestly asking if he's considered it. ꧁Zanahary꧂02:57, 19 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]
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Hello, Just Step Sideways, and hello@Star Mississippi (who had kindly relisted the page)
Can I ask you to kindly undo your close of that AfD about film, please? There's not even one Delete !vote on that page.....and the nominator has asked for sources... that were provided (at AfD and on the page; it was vastly improved....(by me, fwiw)). Nor the nominator nor @Dclemens1971, who had !voted Redirect (which had been the outcome of a first close, see TP where I asked Star Mississippi to relist it), have responded to new sources (added twice), true but that should not be considered a reason for deletion. At the very very least please consider a relist. Whatever your reading of the page is, it is absolutely impossible to consider there is a consensus to delete at all. Your closing statement does not indicate any reason for your decision, so I am assuming it is a mistake. Thank you in advance. -Mushy Yank. 00:40, 19 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]
You are correct, I didn't mean to close that AFD at all. I was very confused for a minute there because an AFD I thought I had closed was still open and I couldn't figure out why. I clicked on the wrong one, I guess from scrolling too fast. I'll fix it now. Just Step Sidewaysfrom this world ..... today00:56, 19 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Beeblebrox is a name I vaguely recall, and respect, though I don't think our areas of WP interest overlap much. Why have you changed it? Maproom (talk) 09:46, 19 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]
I had been contemplating it for some time. When I first registered this account, people, including myself, were generally unaware of best practices for online security. So we did things like name our account after one pet and use the other one's name as the password. Sadly, my cat Zaphod Beeblebrox passsed on some time ago. And I've been a longtime fan, due to my wife, of The Fall and since the death of Mark E. Smith I'de been contemplating a new username based on a fall song, so I went twith one of my favorites. [1]Just Step Sidewaysfrom this world ..... today01:09, 20 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Thank you for your explanation! I once observed an editor who changed his username as part of the process of standing for some official WP role. I'm reassured to know that you're not up to any such thing. Maproom (talk) 11:21, 24 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Thank you for standing for arbitrator. I am far away from it all (travel, mourning), not in the mood, so just an informal question you can answer or ignore:
I don't think that thread is ready for closure. Maybe the immediate issue has been dealt with, but (per my comment a short while ago) it's a sign of a broader problem that really needs to be dealt with—the conflict's been dragging on for years, and if it isn't addressed, someday it's going to result in a block or desysop, which is the worst possible outcome for everyone. Extraordinary Writ (talk) 22:03, 21 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]
I guess I think, given the various mitigating factors, that nothing concrete was going to come of this. The egregious personal attack and the confusion/lack of information regarding the supressed content make it extremely unlikely. Technically, no discussion should be had, ever, on-wiki regarding supressed content. Just Step Sidewaysfrom this world ..... today22:15, 21 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Perhaps that's true for the wheel-warring/suppression, but the point I was trying to make in my comment was that the problem goes well beyond the most recent incident—and I think that point deserves engagement rather than a closure 20 minutes later. Extraordinary Writ (talk) 22:25, 21 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]
I see the diffs you posted, but even without them, it is obvious to anyone who just read that single thread that these two don't get along and have not for some time. Absent any sort of explicit proposal I'm afraid I really don't see the point. Just Step Sidewaysfrom this world ..... today22:51, 21 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]
I thought about leaving Tercer a first-and-only NPA warning for the message they left shortly before you closed that although if I were an admin, it would have been enough for me to block them. You're obviously right that a discussion needs to happen but I can't imagine it going anywhere as long one editor feels comfortable telling another "you don't know anything" and whatever else. Thoughts? City of Silver21:04, 23 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]
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Regarding the deletion of Timeline of UFOs, shortly after the AfD was initiated it was moved from Timeline of Ufology (see here). The latter article has not been deleted, and even retains the original AfD notice. Probably a 'feature' of the Wikipedia deletion software, but it and its Talk page also need to be deleted. Thanks. JoJo Anthrax (talk) 02:05, 24 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]
I hope you are right. Apart from being quite funny, it means Wikipedia gets a free RFP testing service and everyone gets to watch if they can figure out how to find a method that works. Sean.hoyland (talk) 09:42, 24 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Why delete? There's a clear consensus that it exists, just not that it's notable. That's the perfect sort of situation for a redirect or merge. The only argument against a redirect or merge--it's not mentioned at the target--is a very surmountable problem. ATDs, by policy, should be prioritized over deletion, even when there's a strong consensus against retaining an article in its current form. Jclemens (talk) 02:49, 26 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]
I feel like I tried to explain this when making the close. Despite the differing perspectives on what it meant, I did see a consensus that it was not notable and there were no sources. I do not believe that ATD mandates that we must do a redirect in such circumstances. There's not really anything we can say without a single reliable source. The lack of reliable sourcing strongly suggests this is MADEUP, or at best almost totally unknown even to players otherwise familiar with canasta. Just Step Sidewaysfrom this world ..... today18:14, 26 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]
If you want to infer that it's made up, then I recommend you do your own BEFORE-like search before making such a supposition the basis for any action. There used to be a strain of thought that would excoriate closers for doing this, but I strongly encourage it: I believe it's the best way to see for yourself whether the !votes are reasonable. As I noted in the AfD, I saw stuff with the "ponytal canasta" name in it all over the Internet: A quick survey of google, gnews, and gbooks shows there are plenty of references to this to verify it exists, even though I see nothing to suggest it is notable. For example, This shows that there are out-of-print scoresheets for this variant that were sold by and reviewed on Amazon as late as mid-2022. Definitely doesn't contribute to notability, but just as definitely shows--especially with all the other NN ghits--that this isn't MADEUP, even if I can't support any argument of notability. Jclemens (talk) 07:15, 27 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Oh, and one thing: an entry in an already notable article doesn't need an RS suitable for notability, just one able to satisfy V, which non-controversial SPS'es can do just fine. Jclemens (talk) 07:16, 27 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Hey since you are around, can you check if the edits this this ip was trying to make at UAA was a valid report? An user warned them on their talk page, but, like me, the user cannot actually see what the edits were and I have tried reporting some accounts before and being disallowed by a filter because the username was bad.
This is also the IP that made the extensive (unsigned) report that you just removed (so it's probably related to that...). – 2804:F1...1F:8749 (::/32) (talk) 19:00, 26 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Argh. This person just does not listen to anything anyone tells them, but, to be fair, the initial notice I dropped on their talk page, which they may have finally actually read, said they could just create a new account, and I did say I was ok with an unblock. I'm exasperated, I don't think they are acting in bad faith, it's more like lack of clue and unwillingness to actually read and understand advice. I guess we just leave the old account blocked, you've already advised them that, for what that's worth, that creating a new one was a mistake. Just Step Sidewaysfrom this world ..... today18:20, 28 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Hi, Just Step Sideways. First, thank you for responding to my recent question of you as an Arb Committee candidate. I had wanted to ask it of all 12 candidates but found using the Source Editor question template so confusing that I ended up asking only CaptainEek and you, the first two candidates on the list. Then I had to give up in the interest of time, but I sent the voting commissioners a strong suggestion to make it easier for us to ask questions of candidates (preferably just asking Wiki's tekkies to make this possible in the Visual Editor instead of the bewildering Source Editor).
Now I have an unusual request. Somewhere in the election messages I came across an exchange between you and someone else in which you were indirectly bemoaning the US election and saying something about waking up in the morning and fixing our country — to which the other editor said something about how amazing it would be for you to be able to do that. I know I'm not quoting accurately. But I found her (his?) comment so hilarious that I wanted to send a little token of my enjoyment. Do you remember that editor's name, or the general location of where that exchange took place so I can go find it?
You got my vote for the committee, by the way. I really liked how you explained the issue of your having been penalized for whatever you did that got you in deep yogurt with the committee. You admitted you could have done things differently but had learned from that experience. That completely changed my original plan not to vote for you when I began reading about it. If there's any place in the world where learning from life is needed, it's here in Wikipedia! Augnablik (talk) 06:21, 30 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Durn. It was such an amusing comment from the other editor. She (I think it was a she) said she'd give you a cappuccino or else that you deserved one if you could fix the country in the morning … Augnablik (talk) 20:48, 30 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]
November was rich in sadness and happiness for me, expressed in music. Today is the last day for the election of arbitrators. Regarding my question to candidates like you, I found one so far who looked into the matter and didn't stay at the surface, Simonm223. There are two composers on the Main page today, Siegfried Thiele and Aaron Copland. I find the response of my friend Jerome Kohl to a question on Copland's article talk promising. What do you think? -- Gerda Arendt (talk) 08:50, 2 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Today's story comes from a DYK about a concert that fascinated me, and you can listen! For my taste, the hook has too little music - I miss the unusual scoring and the specific dedication - but it comes instead with a name good for viewcount. I'd still like to know what you think about the Copland posts. --Gerda Arendt (talk) 16:21, 6 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]
That, however, is an area I am blind for. I'm quite happy that my real name is short enough to be useful, and while I accumulated dirt associated with it it never became enough for me to make me think about a change. --Gerda Arendt (talk) 21:49, 15 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Following an RFC, the policy on restoration of adminship has been updated. All former administrators may now only regain the tools following a request at the Wikipedia:Bureaucrats' noticeboard within 5 years of their most recent admin action. Previously this applied only to administrators deysopped for inactivity.
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Can you describe which comment convinced you that the article should be kept?[3] I only see the canvassed small accounts spamming the routine coverage by the WP:NEWSORGINDIA sources which is unhelpful when it comes to making claims about notability. CharlesWain (talk) 11:07, 4 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]
But there was consensus to delete it since all of the established editors either voiced for delete or merge/redirect. Those who voiced for keeping the article were all SPAs or canvassed editors with no prior participation in AfDs. CharlesWain (talk) 03:12, 5 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]
I missed that at the time, but I am very aware of his yearly tradition of asking each January for restrictions to be lifted. I still think vanishing would be a viable option though.
I've seen the "block me or I'll do something to make you block me" approach a few times and I just think it's a really bad move. The user often comes back later like "ok I'm over it now, let me back in" and the answer is always a firm no. Just Step Sidewaysfrom this world ..... today22:42, 7 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]
It comes a bit too close to suggesting a clean start for my taste. But in any case, the point was that it doesn't sound like someone who's primarily concerned about being unable to stop editing. isaacl (talk) 22:52, 7 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]
I'm really sorry they didn't let you back on the committee - it proves how short sighted the electorate is. Nevertheless you're still an admin and that's important for one with your experience, so don't let the result put you off from trying again next year. The overall results will come as a relief for many, but WP has its first non-admin arb and at least one or two with very little admin experience. There will be a lot of talk about this result. It proves again that with so few contenders it's relatively too easy to get a seat - all but 2 got a pass mark. IMO it's time to either redesign the electoral system or chuck the whole Arbcom thing out and replace it with something else. There is a better gender balance this time, but it remains to be seen which of them will be around when they are needed. Kudpung กุดผึ้ง (talk) 00:21, 9 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Thanks. While I'm obviously disappointed, I'm also pretty ok with it as the three top vote-getters are all people I am thrilled to see on the committee. Liz got NYB numbers, that's a hell of a mandate. I ran because the committee seemed to be in crisis and needed help, I'm now confident it will get that help.
It does concern me to once again see neutral non-votes be a clear deciding factor for some candidates. I'm not sure why the solution is to that. I also don't think Daniel not being an admin at this exact moment is really big news as he can have his tools back any time he wants them. Just Step Sidewaysfrom this world ..... today01:34, 9 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]
I think there would have been a lot of tactical voting that affected the results. When I vote on such secret poll elections I vote only for the candidate(s) I want and usually neutral all the others - if I feel very strongly I might oppose one. At the end of the day, with the exception of your score, the rest of the result was for a fairly reasonable (one hopes) committee - if they fully understand the tasks and workload that awaits them. Kudpung กุดผึ้ง (talk) 03:21, 9 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]
I didn't know what to do with all of those Code AFDs because the one participant in the discussion argued "Merge or transwiki" but didn't provide a merge target article or explain what transwiki involved. I've closed thousands of AFDs but this is a new one for me, what is involved with a "transwiki"? Thank you for any knowledge you can share. LizRead!Talk!
Transwiki is copying or importing an article to another wiki. It was more common in the early days. It's certainly not a normal AFD result, and to me it seems like we probably shouldn't do it unless whatever wiki it is targeted to actually wants it. My hope is that relisting them goes somewhere more conclusive, but it may be a longshot. Just Step Sidewaysfrom this world ..... today05:40, 12 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]
I saw those, relisted one and then went oh hell, no. Thanks JSS for the context on transwiki as I was similarly not clear. Hope to be more helpful in the AfD queue in the new year @Liz. StarMississippi01:19, 14 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]
If all admins and arbs were as sage as this WP wouldn't need ignoble venues such as Arbcom and RECALL. Every busy admin lives under a Sword of Damocles and when it falls the baby is often thrown out with the bathwater. Thank you again for being a constant voice of reason. Kudpung กุดผึ้ง (talk) 21:42, 14 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]
I'm quite pleased that it resolved the way it did. Mike's generally ok, and I've even met him in real life. I did not want the matter to escalate, and we wouldn't see nearly as much escalation if more admins were willing to call out things like overzealous blocking. Beeblebrox (talk) 00:45, 15 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]
I've come to think that one of the most important qualities in an admin is the ability to say "Hands up, I screwed up, I was wrong, sorry". A lot of high drama, and a desysop or two, has been caused by that not happening. Similarly, a lot of people seem to like the "thrill of the chase" at ANI when an admin is brought forward for screwing up in some manner, and people lose their heads and shout for a desysop and ban for a spelling mistake. Ritchie333(talk)(cont)11:05, 15 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]
I've often said that everyone makes mistakes, it is what they do after that is the real test of their character. Some people let their ego get in their way and just dig in, even when everyone agrees they were in the wrong. I saw that more than once in my time on the committee. It's painful to watch. El Beeblerinoif you're not into the whole brevity thing20:23, 15 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]
I was getting used to JSS but, personally, you'll always be Beeblebrox to me and I'm happy that you returned to your original username. As for El Beeblerino? Well, give me a little more time, please. ;-) LizRead!Talk!22:42, 15 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Oooh, I didn't know that you could also change your username back to your old one! TIL. Some gaming and social media platforms don't let you reuse previously used names. — AP 499D25(talk)02:02, 20 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Thanks all. I actually first tried to change in six years ago when Mark E. Smith died, but at that time users with as many edits as I have couldn't be renamed at all. By the time that changed I was on ArbCom and I didn't think ti would be kosher for a sitting arb to change their name so I sat on it until I wasn't on the committee anymore. I wasn't actually sure myself if I could change it back, and was pleasantly surprised when it turned out to be possible. El Beeblerinoif you're not into the whole brevity thing02:11, 20 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Strange question, maybe (and for any talk page stalkers, completely unrelated to the current AN thread) - but I've seen a non-zero number of accounts warned/blocked for having usernames that referenced fictional organizations. (Think Strexcorp from Welcome to Nightvale, or Pym Industries from the Ant-Man comics, or Pokemon characters). No spamming, at least not that I could see with my mortal eyes. Username policy has never really interested me, but this is pretty obviously an area you're experienced in- are these kinds of blocks/warnings in line with current policy/practice? If not, have they ever been? GreenLipstickLesbian (talk) 01:31, 16 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]
I believe the well known test case for this was Bronx Discount Liquor, which sure looks like a real organization, but is not. ORGNAME is the relevant policy section, and it rightly makes no mention of blocking names that are fictional or made up organizations.
Part of the issue is that a lot of people who warn users for their names are not well-versed in the ins and outs of what is and is not blockable. It's pretty much a daily issue at UAA. The standard is that the name clearly represents a real organization. This is usually easily established by the user making edits that make the connection clear. While we can't expect everyone to get every single pop culture reference, just kind of looking like it might be the name of an organization is not sufficient reason to either warn or block. At most a person could ask "is this the name of a real organization?" in a case where there are no edits to make that clear. El Beeblerinoif you're not into the whole brevity thing01:46, 16 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Oh, that's interesting, thank you! I love test cases - funnily enough, I'm actually a username test case-ish on the Swedish Wikipedia. [4][5]. (What I find more interesting, though, is that the admin who blocked me literally has a userpage of the erroneous blocks they made, complete with reflections and links to apologies [6]. With all the conversations we've been having about admin accountability, a page like this is fascinating to read. Or, at least, it is to me.)
But no, this conversation was educational, thank you. I know people who do warnings and reports may not always know policies, but I've seen enough cases where an admin actually followed through on the block that I was wondering if it was an accepted course of action. Thanks again, GreenLipstickLesbian (talk) 06:20, 16 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]
I have a declared COI with The Student Room and had been trying to propose an overhaul to that page as it was very poor. I do disagree that The Student Room itself doesn't seem to meet WP:GNG or WP:NWEB - which I believe is demonstrated on the draft page on my sandbox - https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User:ChrisN_at_The_Student_Room/sandbox
The Student Room has been an important UK website for over 20yrs, with 6 million monthly users, 75M posts and is basically the only UK student community website. It has done much work with UK government, politicians and UK universities and is quoted widely. I'm sorry I wasn't around to point this out whilst it was up for deletion.
Would you object to me submitting my sandbox page for consideration as a new page for The Student Room? or how would you suggest I approach this please? I believe contacting the deleting editor is what I am supposed to do in this circumstance, so I hope that is OK.
Thanks. I haven't worked unblock requests in a while. and .... well let's just say it didn't work like this in the past. I had assumed that the problem was that most of them weren't being reviewed at all, turns out many if not most have a discussion, often involving multiple admins, but no resolution that ends with the appeal being either accepted or declined. It's bizarre. El Beeblerinoif you're not into the whole brevity thing20:55, 18 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]
I don't know how big of an ask this is, but could you maybe consider IAR[a] and rollbacking their article-space edits post unblock? I've spent the past hour combing my way through some of their additions to Jassa Singh Ahluwalia, but given the close paraphrasing, the poor sourcing (check the history and you'll see I'm finding lots of material that was copied from one source and cited to another), could you maybe undo them before their edits get too embedded in the page history? If not, no worries, I'll try and spend the next month cleaning up after today's edits. It'll suck, but I mean, hey, it's not the worst copyright unblock ever, right? GreenLipstickLesbian (talk) 08:13, 19 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Oh, gosh yeah. Some people just suffer from serious cases of not understanding the problems they cause. It's frustrating, too, because it's always users in good faith causing these issues... but I suppose I don't have the power to save anybody from themselves. Thanks for doing the restorations! GreenLipstickLesbian (talk) 23:02, 19 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]
I think in this particular instance, they thought it was okay because their old edits had been removed under BANREVERT. Not a great idea, as it turns out, but as a maths person who suffers from chronic black and white thinking, I get the logic of "These were removed because X. X no longer applies. Therefore I can restore them". GreenLipstickLesbian (talk) 23:15, 19 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]
^I have no policy-based reason to mass-undo somebody's edits, especially now BANREVERT no longer applies, and nor do I have the clout to get away with it
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Fixed Good catch, and of course since I was using the XFD closer it screwed up the actual redirect too. El Beeblerino if you're not into the whole brevity thing 00:13, 17 December 2024 (UTC)
