Talk:Alternative for Germany

Party History and page bloating

With the AfD's election victories in Thuringia, them coming second in Saxony and theme leading in the polls in the Brandenburg. I went to this Wikipedia page to edited, just to see the History section is getting bloated. my suggestion is to merge some sections and or split a page off to create a page on the "History of The AfD". Zyxrq (talk) 04:27, 2 September 2024 (UTC)

I second this. JustAPoliticsNerd (talk) 23:15, 13 September 2024 (UTC)

I did, @JustAPoliticsNerd:@Zyxrq:. It was promptly reverted again. As someone who lives in Germany and is involved in its political landscape — if my name wasn't a giveaway — this article is bloated with random trivia, long quotes, and repetitive statements.

Inappropriate for @Ixocactus: to revert the edit. This is becoming a coat rack. DerApfelZeit (talk) 23:08, 12 November 2024 (UTC)

No. Your oppinions, political involvement or living country are irrelevant here. We follow what the WP:RS say about the subject. The presented diff shows that you are removing that sources and this is really inappropriate. Also, you are engaged in a WP:EW and violated the WP:3RR rule. Ixocactus (talk) 23:40, 12 November 2024 (UTC)

You're correct that it is irrelevant.

This doesn't mean that we need When party founder Bernd Lucke had left the AfD in 2015, he cited, among other reasons an “anti-Western, decidedly pro-Russian foreign and security policy orientation” as well as increasing calls to “pose the ‘system question’ with regard to our parliamentary democracy” as reasons for his departure from the party. when we could just say that the party is divided on foreign policy; some support maintaining Germany's current geopolitical system, others hold an anti-Western and pro-Russian policy orientation, particularly within Der Flügel.

The same applies to their opposition to environmentalism. DerApfelZeit (talk) 00:33, 13 November 2024 (UTC)

Deputy co-leaders needs update, growing membership number

Mariana Harder-Kühnel is out, did not seek re-election in summer, and did not win a list place for 2025. Kay Gottschalk is new "STELLV. BUNDESSPRECHER". Also "Membership (2023) 34,000" is outdated, as the number is closing in on 50k "Am 30. September zählte die AfD 48.994 Mitglieder, wie ein Parteisprecher auf Tagesspiegel-Anfrage mitteilte" and even "Die AfD hat mit insgesamt 49.324 Mitgliedern einen neuen Rekord aufgestellt. Davon leben 49.115 in Deutschland und 209 im Ausland. Das teilte Bundesschatzmeister Carsten Hütter telefonisch auf Anfrage der JUNGEN FREIHEIT mit. Die Zahl ist damit seit Januar 2023 um 68,4 Prozent gestiegen. Damals waren 29.296 Menschen in der AfD." 217.250.239.223 (talk) 01:36, 22 October 2024 (UTC)

Even worse bloat

@JustAPoliticsNerd: and @Zyxrq: brought attention to this issue a few months ago but it's gotten far-worse.

Now, several individuals want to go further, wanting quotes (unseen in any other political party page) from Bernd Lucke and Jörg Meuthen.

... when all of this claims are repeated elsewhere on the article. DerApfelZeit (talk) 23:16, 12 November 2024 (UTC)

Compare:

• My proposal
• Proposal favored by another editor

Not sure why many editors on here want to tack on several paragraphs that could be summarized in one sentence... DerApfelZeit (talk) 23:16, 12 November 2024 (UTC)

In your proposal the pro-Russia stance of the AfD and AfD pro-Russia movement isnt even mentioned in the introduction, let alone the shifting away from the liberal democratic basic order (according to former party leader Meuthen) or the system question with regard to the parliamentary democracy (according to afd-party-founder and former party member to Lucke). That the AfD is the only party represented in the Bundestag whose environmental and climate policy is based on the denial of human-caused global warming is also an unique identifier of the AfD. All of this is nowhere to find in your proposal. LennBr (talk) 04:47, 13 November 2024 (UTC)

"far-right"

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Another left-wing smear term. A party polling close to 20 percent of the vote can hardly be "far-right". 2003:DA:C71C:3400:A065:1438:7859:59D2 (talk) 22:41, 29 November 2024 (UTC)

I see no reason why polling figures should reflect the labelling of a far-right party, especially when we have evidence otherwise; nonetheless, we describe the party as sources described them – so, far-right. — Czello ^(music) 22:44, 29 November 2024 (UTC)

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