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Did you know... that Britain's Got Talent contestant Susan Boyle's performance of "I Dreamed a Dream" gained her worldwide attention?

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In the popular culture section, please add the Brooklyn 99 reference made by Charles Boyle in Season 6, Episode 15. Charles says, "It's such a classic Boyle trait not to recognize talent. My cousin Susan didn't know she could sing until her late 40s."

https://metro.co.uk/2020/11/17/brooklyn-nine-nine-star-confirms-susan-boyle-fan-theory-and-backs-cameo-spot-13603575/ 97.116.96.154 (talk) 05:52, 21 November 2021 (UTC)[reply]

Not done. Trivial WP:FANCRUFT, could be mentioned only if it's actually part of the storyline. Also, Metro is considered generally unreliable. ◢ Ganbaruby!  (talk) 10:09, 22 November 2021 (UTC)[reply]

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Add that Susan Boyle is a second cousin of prominent Irish politician Dan Boyle. Their grandfathers, according to this source, were brothers. https://www.irishexaminer.com/lifestyle/arid-30409651.html 212.129.75.96 (talk) 17:25, 6 December 2021 (UTC)[reply]

Not done for now: please establish a consensus for this alteration before using the {{edit semi-protected}} template. I don't think mentioning second cousins is terribly necessary or due. ScottishFinnishRadish (talk) 18:51, 6 December 2021 (UTC)[reply]

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Suggest that the comilation album "Ten (2019)" be removed from the § Discography listing.

From what I've seen in numerous other articles, when musicians have external discographies like Susan Boyle discography and {{Susan Boyle}}, the inline listing is supposed to consist strictly of studio album links - so no compilations, no EPs, no albums without articles of their own, et cetera. 2A02:560:5821:6C00:8927:F475:6FA6:FF53 (talk) 12:05, 20 February 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Done. Thanks for the suggestion, Mokadoshi (talk) 01:31, 7 March 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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Boyle became the first female artist in history to have a number one album simultaneously in both the United Kingdom and United States within the space of a year. This is in the opening of the article. Does this make sense or am I missing something? Tuzapicabit (talk) 00:38, 21 February 2024 (UTC)[reply]

This is what the ref at the end of the paragraph says, emphasis mine:

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In 2010 Susan became the first female artist to have a number one album simultaneously in both the UK & the US, twice in less than 12 months.

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- 2A02:560:5821:6C00:B140:3122:2709:15F2 (talk) 08:10, 21 February 2024 (UTC)[reply]

I've changed it to The success continued with her second studio album, The Gift (2010), where she became only the third act ever (and the first woman artist) to top both the UK and US album charts with two different albums in the same year. which hopefully makes more sense. Mokadoshi (talk) 02:11, 7 March 2024 (UTC)[reply]

The achievement itself is so convoluted that I doubt there is a really straightforward way to describe it. ;)

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+Add that Susan Boyle is a second cousin of prominent Irish politician Dan Boyle. Their grandfathers, according to this source, were brothers. https://www.irishexaminer.com/lifestyle/arid-30409651.html [[Special:Contributions/212.129.75.96|212.129.75.96]] ([[User talk:212.129.75.96|talk]]) 17:25, 6 December 2021 (UTC)
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+Suggest that the comilation album "''[[Ten (Susan Boyle album)|Ten]]'' (2019)" be removed from the {{section link|Susan Boyle|Discography|nopage=yes}} listing.
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+From what I've seen in numerous other articles, when musicians have external discographies like [[Susan Boyle discography]] and {{template link|Susan Boyle}}, the inline listing is supposed to consist strictly of studio album links - so no compilations, no EPs, no albums without articles of their own, et cetera. [[Special:Contributions/2A02:560:5821:6C00:8927:F475:6FA6:FF53|2A02:560:5821:6C00:8927:F475:6FA6:FF53]] ([[User talk:2A02:560:5821:6C00:8927:F475:6FA6:FF53|talk]]) 12:05, 20 February 2024 (UTC)
-I am not that great at rephrasing items to an NPOV standpoint, but the second paragraph of the lede section needs some serious help.
+:{{done}}<!-- Template:EEp -->. Thanks for the suggestion, [[User:Mokadoshi|Mokadoshi]] ([[User talk:Mokadoshi|talk]]) 01:31, 7 March 2024 (UTC)
-:::Boyle's initial appearance on the talent show fired public imagination when her modest stage introduction left audience, viewers and judges alike unprepared for the power and expression of her mezzo-soprano voice. Before she had finished the song's opening phrase, a standing ovation for Boyle had erupted.
-For goodness sake, what are we, her personal publicity magazine? Sure, it might be true, but only from a certain point of view. That seems about as bad as if I stated, "Spock's Brain has been regarded as one of the best Star Trek episodes." Well, yes... I don't think it's as bad as some people make it out to be. I'm probably in a pretty small minority there though. Likewise, this paragraph does not belong. I can't really remove it because some other stuff relies on that in the next paragraph. If anyone would like to fix this, please do. [[User:A lad insane|<font color="#10aeeb">-A la</font><font color="#000000">d</font>]] [[Special:Contributions/A lad insane|<font color="#ef0000">insane</font>]] [[User talk:A lad insane|<font color="#ff00f7"><small>(Channel 2)</small>{{#if:(Channel 2)||[[Category:Pages using small with an empty input parameter]]}}</font>]] 15:48, 29 April 2017 (UTC)
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-:Oh my. It is a bit over the top, isn't it? And it doesn't appear to be supported by either of the cited sources (currently ref nos. 5 and 6). If I weren't pressed for time, I'd be inclined to pare it down to the barest verifiable facts. (To be fair, I'm not sure your "Spock's Brain" analogy quite holds up, but that's another discussion, I guess.) [[User:Rivertorch|<font color="#339933">'''Rivertorch'''</font>]]<small><small><sup>[[Special:Contributions/Rivertorch|<font color="#FF0066">FIRE</font>]]</sup><sub>[[User talk:Rivertorch|<font color="#0066FF">WATER</font>]]</sub></small></small> 16:42, 29 April 2017 (UTC)
+''Boyle became the first female artist in history to have a number one album simultaneously in both the United Kingdom and United States within the space of a year.'' This is in the opening of the article. Does this make sense or am I missing something? [[User:Tuzapicabit|Tuzapicabit]] ([[User talk:Tuzapicabit|talk]]) 00:38, 21 February 2024 (UTC)
-::I've just deleted that entire paragraph for now. It's probably not the best solution, but it is better than just leaving it there. [[User:A lad insane|<font color="#10aeeb">-A la</font><font color="#000000">d</font>]] [[Special:Contributions/A lad insane|<font color="#ef0000">insane</font>]] [[User talk:A lad insane|<font color="#ff00f7"><small>(Channel 2)</small>{{#if:(Channel 2)||[[Category:Pages using small with an empty input parameter]]}}</font>]] 17:23, 29 April 2017 (UTC)
+:This is what the ref at the end of the paragraph says, emphasis mine:
-:::A reasonable edit. [[User:Rivertorch|<font color="#339933">'''Rivertorch'''</font>]]<small><small><sup>[[Special:Contributions/Rivertorch|<font color="#FF0066">FIRE</font>]]</sup><sub>[[User talk:Rivertorch|<font color="#0066FF">WATER</font>]]</sub></small></small> 20:21, 29 April 2017 (UTC)
+:{{quote2|In 2010 Susan became the first female artist to have a number one album simultaneously in both the UK & the US, '''twice''' in less than 12 months.}}
+:- [[Special:Contributions/2A02:560:5821:6C00:B140:3122:2709:15F2|2A02:560:5821:6C00:B140:3122:2709:15F2]] ([[User talk:2A02:560:5821:6C00:B140:3122:2709:15F2|talk]]) 08:10, 21 February 2024 (UTC)
+::I've changed it to {{tq|The success continued with her second studio album, The Gift (2010), where she became only the third act ever (and the first woman artist) to top both the UK and US album charts with two different albums in the same year.}} which hopefully makes more sense. [[User:Mokadoshi|Mokadoshi]] ([[User talk:Mokadoshi|talk]]) 02:11, 7 March 2024 (UTC)
+:::The achievement itself is so convoluted that I doubt there is a really straightforward way to describe it. ;)
+:::- [[Special:Contributions/89.183.221.75|89.183.221.75]] ([[User talk:89.183.221.75|talk]]) 17:05, 7 March 2024 (UTC)