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== aka Evil Losers - 05:27, 25 May 2017 ==
== Add A Fact: "Ex-soldier sentenced for aiding ISIS" ==


I found a fact that might belong in this article. See the quote below
This is not an official name, and should not be considered as one simply because the POTUS uses it once.
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[[Special:Contributions/131.111.185.69|131.111.185.69]] ([[User talk:131.111.185.69|talk]]) 07:22, 25 May 2017 (UTC)
A former soldier in the U.S. Army was sentenced on Friday to 14 years in prison after pleading guilty to attempting to provide ISIS with information to help plan an ambush he thought would result in the deaths of U.S. soldiers in the Middle East, according to the U.S. Justice Department.
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The fact comes from the following source:
: https://www.nytimes.com/2024/10/12/us/cole-bridges-army-isis-sentencing.html


:On a more PROFESSIONAL note, "ISIL" is NOT an appropriate name. It is intended to discredit the legitimacy of Israel, thus justifying a destruction of Israel and the wholesale massacre of every Jew (and a lot of the Muslims as well). It is strictly anti-Semitic in nature, and Wikipedia, of all people, should NOT be supporting this. <!-- Template:Unsigned IP --><small class="autosigned">—&nbsp;Preceding [[Wikipedia:Signatures|unsigned]] comment added by [[Special:Contributions/75.65.85.167|75.65.85.167]] ([[User talk:75.65.85.167#top|talk]]) 23:40, 9 June 2017 (UTC)</small> <!--Autosigned by SineBot-->
::According to the article, ISIL is one translation of the group's Arabic name, ''Al-Dawla Al-Islamiya fi al-Iraq wa al-Sham''. In that translation, notably used by the Associated Press, ''al-Sham'' is taken to mean the [[Levant]].[https://www.washingtonpost.com/news/worldviews/wp/2014/06/18/isis-or-isil-the-debate-over-what-to-call-iraqs-terror-group/][https://blog.ap.org/announcements/is-it-isil-or-isis-in-iraq] I'm not entirely sure how that makes the term itself anti-Semitic, so you'll have to explain that in more detail. [[User:Clpo13|clpo13]]<sub>([[User_talk:Clpo13|talk]])</sub> 23:53, 9 June 2017 (UTC)
:::I have attemtoped twice now to present the artivcels (WITH summaries, very kind of me right?), but Wikipedia keeps refusing to allow me to do so as "not constructive." I give up. In short, however, "Levant" means all of the region, thus nullifying Isreal. (And, could you remove the title "evil loosers"? it's "not constructive.) <!-- Template:Unsigned IP --><small class="autosigned">—&nbsp;Preceding [[Wikipedia:Signatures|unsigned]] comment added by [[Special:Contributions/75.65.85.167|75.65.85.167]] ([[User talk:75.65.85.167#top|talk]]) 00:37, 10 June 2017 (UTC)</small> <!--Autosigned by SineBot-->
::::I don't think that the United States of '''America''' having "America" in its name infringes upon the sovereignty of every state on the two (or one) continent(s). Likewise, having "Levant" in ISIL doesn't necessarily infringe upon Israel's independence, no matter the motive. Though ISIL's name may be that for that very reason, Wikipedia is no place to assume the truth. Also, as it is the literally translated name from Arabic, Wikipedia should use it, for the sake of neutrality, and for the sake of not [[WP:CENSORED|censoring]] Wikipedia. Though it '''may''' be offensive, and ''probably'' is, Wikipedia is no space for verbal gentrification. [[User:Alphalfalfa|alphalfalfa]]<sup>([[User talk:Alphalfalfa|talk]])</sup> 00:01, 10 July 2017 (UTC)


== doubtfull declaration of the end ISIL ==


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I`m talking about this particular https://en.wikipedia.org/enwiki/w/index.php?title=Islamic_State_of_Iraq_and_the_Levant&type=revision&diff=788110716&oldid=788063593 entry, that claims ISIL to no longer be active as of 29.June 2017. This seems a bit premature to me. Just because Iraqi security forces take the place ISIL declared it`s caliphate and Iraq declares to Caliphate to have ended, doesn`t mean the group no longer exists/is active. --[[User:1234567891011a|1234567891011a]] ([[User talk:1234567891011a|talk]]) 17:15, 29 June 2017 (UTC)
:I reverted it.[[User:Retardednamingpolicy|Retardednamingpolicy]] ([[User talk:Retardednamingpolicy|talk]]) 18:26, 29 June 2017 (UTC)


[[User:TJMSmith|TJMSmith]] ([[User talk:TJMSmith|talk]]) 16:17, 13 October 2024 (UTC)
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== Requested Move 15 October 2024 ==
Some terrorist breaks with ISIL and declares he's the new caliph. An Unreliable source reports this and an editor declares Bagdadi replaced. [https://en.wikipedia.org/enwiki/w/index.php?title=Islamic_State_of_Iraq_and_the_Levant&type=revision&diff=790749323&oldid=790618320]. This is not the first time this editor has inserted wildly inappropriate "info" in ISIL pages recently. [[WP:CIR]] and any more of this an ISIL topic ban is in order. [[User:Legacypac|Legacypac]] ([[User talk:Legacypac|talk]]) 01:57, 16 July 2017 (UTC)
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The result of the move request was: '''Not moved.''' We normally keep RM discussions open for at least seven days with a possibility for prolongation via relisting. This discussion has now been open for more than four weeks. The request suggested a move to {{-r|Islamic State (organisation)}}, a target that for several years has been a stable and correctly [[WP:RCAT|categorized]] {{tl|R from unnecessary disambiguation}} redirect to [[Islamic State]].{{pb}}The proposal to move has seen no policy-based support. The opposers argue per [[WP:COMMONNAME]] and [[WP:PRIMARYTOPIC]] that the article should stay at the [[WP:Base name|base name]], ''ergo'' the survey is closed noting a clear '''consensus not to move'''. <small>([[Wikipedia:Requested moves/Closing instructions#Closure by a page mover|closed by non-admin page mover]])</small> [[User:Sam Sailor|Sam]] [[User talk:Sam Sailor|Sailor]] 17:14, 13 November 2024 (UTC)
== Requested move 18 July 2017 ==
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The result of the move request was: '''Technical Close'''. I have closed this RM as requested by the initiator of the RfC [[User:Batternut|Batternut]] and because no other editor has raised an objection to me doing so since I stated I that would [https://en.wikipedia.org/enwiki/w/index.php?title=Talk%3AIslamic_State_of_Iraq_and_the_Levant&type=revision&diff=791770840&oldid=791726275 yesterday]. Batternut [https://en.wikipedia.org/enwiki/w/index.php?title=User_talk:Batternut&oldid=791957683#No_RfC_for_discussing_title_of_the_article_Islamic_State_of_Iraq_and_the_Levant has agreed not to] use the RfC process to discuss the [[WP:AT|title of this article]]. As this is a technical close of an RM, and there has not been another RM in the last six months, there no prohibitions on an editor requesting an RM. [[User:PBS|PBS]] ([[User talk:PBS|talk]]) 15:27, 23 July 2017 (UTC)
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[[Islamic State]]→? — Current name is just the "Islamic State", it’s can confuse readers with article about the [[Islamic state|concept]]. I don’t' suggest it to rename the article to ISIL, beacuse "ISIL" is not common name anymore and pretty outdated.


So let's rename the article to [[Islamic State (organisation)]]. ISIS can be also suitable beacuse "ISIS" is currently common name to the group. [[User:Gaplow43286|Gaplow43286]] ([[User talk:Gaplow43286|talk]]) 06:08, 15 October 2024 (UTC)


[[:Islamic State of Iraq and the Levant]] {{no redirect|Islamic State (''to-be-decided'' qualifier)}} See below this is relist of an RfC that I am closing because an RfC is the wrong process to request page moves. -- [[User:PBS|PBS]] ([[User talk:PBS|talk]]) 11:28, 18 July 2017 (UTC)
:'''Oppose''' Islamic State is the common name for the organization, being the one used by the media. The organization is also the clear primary topic for the name "Islamic State" with this capitalization. The hatnote at the top of the article is good enough to clear up any confusion. [[User:QuicoleJR|QuicoleJR]] ([[User talk:QuicoleJR|talk]]) 19:07, 20 October 2024 (UTC)
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Without a specific article title to discuss moving to, this Requested Move is incomplete. As OP of the RfC my intention was for discussion. I '''do not''' propose moving the article at this point. ({{U|PBS}} made this a Requested Move for his/her own reasons.) [[User:Batternut|Batternut]] ([[User talk:Batternut|talk]]) 12:39, 19 July 2017 (UTC)
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*'''Oppose''' evidently the proposer has no proposal and instead has engaged in process wonkery. This is also a vanishingly useless exercise given how many times such moves have been rejected (see top of page for a partial list). [[User:Legacypac|Legacypac]] ([[User talk:Legacypac|talk]]) 03:30, 21 July 2017 (UTC)
*'''OP withdraw''' - as OP, or at least the original OP, I withdraw this request. It has become a mess. [[User:Batternut|Batternut]] ([[User talk:Batternut|talk]]) 23:34, 21 July 2017 (UTC)


::Hi [[User:QuicoleJR|QuicoleJR]], Naming the article "[[Islamic State (organization)]]" would be a more appropriate solution, as it clarifies that the article specifically refers to the militant group commonly known as ISIS, while distinguishing it from the broader and more diverse theoretical concept of an "Islamic State." This title would help avoid confusion, making it clear that the focus is on the organization rather than the general political or religious concept. By adding the term "organization," it also provides a more neutral and descriptive approach, acknowledging that the term "Islamic State" has broader historical and theoretical meanings, which should not be conflated with this particular group.The normal readers are not supposed to distinguish this minute difference.
*Usually a RM is not closed on the request of the nominator if others have commented. However as this started as an RfC and was converted by me I am willing to close it as a "Technical close", providing no one who has participated in the Rfc/RM objects. However I will only do this if [[User:Batternut|Batternut]] agrees not to initiate any RfC process on this talk page for the purpose of discussing the article title, but instead agrees to use the RM process in its place. -- [[User:PBS|PBS]] ([[User talk:PBS|talk]]) 11:28, 22 July 2017 (UTC)
::--[[User:DelphiLore|DelphiLore]] <!--Template:Undated--><small class="autosigned">—&nbsp;Preceding [[Wikipedia:Signatures|undated]] comment added 18:56, 7 November 2024 (UTC)</small>
::{{Ping|PBS}} Response [[User_talk:Batternut#No_RfC_for_discussing_title_of_the_article_Islamic_State_of_Iraq_and_the_Levant|here]]. [[User:Batternut|Batternut]] ([[User talk:Batternut|talk]]) 22:00, 22 July 2017 (UTC)
:::Please convey your thoughts in your own words, chatbots are not helpful. - [[User:Ratnahastin|<span style="color:#A52A2A;">Ratnahastin</span>]] ([[User talk:Ratnahastin|talk]]) 02:49, 12 November 2024 (UTC)
* '''Support''' move to Islamic State. At present there is no need for a qualifier. Most RSes use IS for the past year+. There is no competing Islamic State as a standalone usage (not part of a longer name with actual state, and usually shortened to state name in usual use).[[User:Icewhiz|Icewhiz]] ([[User talk:Icewhiz|talk]]) 18:28, 22 July 2017 (UTC)


* '''Oppose''' as per [[WP:COMMONNAME]] that is what the organization calls itself.[[User:Pharaoh of the Wizards|Pharaoh of the Wizards]] ([[User talk:Pharaoh of the Wizards|talk]]) 07:16, 11 November 2024 (UTC)
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*:"that is what the organization calls itself"
;== RfC Move Islamic State of Iraq and the Levant to Islamic State (to-be-decided qualifier) ==
*:Why we would use "[[Islamic State]]". Article about the concept is " [[Islamic state]] ", about the group is " Islamic State ". Just [[S]] is difference. That's why I start an RM. We can use " [[Islamic State (organisation)]] or "[[ISIS]]. [[User:Stranger43286|BangladeshiStranger🇧🇩]] ([[User talk:Stranger43286|talk]]) 03:19, 12 November 2024 (UTC)
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I have close this Rfc because the correct process to use for a requested move is [[WP:RM]] -- [[User:PBS|PBS]] ([[User talk:PBS|talk]]) 11:34, 18 July 2017 (UTC)
*::I would rather move the article on the concept to [[Islamic state (concept)]] if you think something needs to be moved. The organization is what most users are looking for when they type "Islamic State" into the search bar. [[User:QuicoleJR|QuicoleJR]] ([[User talk:QuicoleJR|talk]]) 12:40, 12 November 2024 (UTC)
*:::@[[User:QuicoleJR|QuicoleJR]] Ok.
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*:::I forget this opinion when I propose this in October. [[User:Stranger43286|BangladeshiStranger🇧🇩]] ([[User talk:Stranger43286|talk]]) 10:17, 13 November 2024 (UTC)
This article should be renamed "Islamic State (''to-be-decided'' qualifier)".
*'''Oppose''' - It is the common name. - [[User:Ratnahastin|<span style="color:#A52A2A;">Ratnahastin</span>]] ([[User talk:Ratnahastin|talk]]) 02:47, 12 November 2024 (UTC)
*'''Support''' – I endorse [[User:Stranger43286|BangladeshiStranger’s]] proposal to modify the article title for enhanced clarity and accuracy. Currently, “Islamic State” as a title risks conflating the militant group with the broader concept of an “Islamic state,” a political or theological idea concerning governance within Islamic contexts. This ambiguity can lead to misunderstandings and unintentionally lend an inappropriate connotation to either the organization or the general concept.
*:[[User:DelphiLore|DelphiLore]] ([[User talk:DelphiLore|talk]]) 08:31, 12 November 2024 (UTC)
*:@[[User:DelphiLore|DelphiLore]] This RM is not closed but you still moved article about the organisation as "[[Islamic State (organisation)]]". You should wait until the problem get solution. [[User:Stranger43286|BangladeshiStranger🇧🇩]] ([[User talk:Stranger43286|talk]]) 10:21, 13 November 2024 (UTC)
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== "‘You are next’: online posts show Islamic State interest in attacks on US ahead of election" ==
The time has come to accept "Islamic State" as the name of this organization. We should follow [[WP:COMMONNAME]] - common usage is now "Islamic State" typically with some qualifer such as "so-called", "self-declared", "group", "terrorist group" etc. Such usage is now between 4 and 10 times "Islamic State of Iraq and the Levant", so the current title is very and increasingly outdated. This has been researched bountifully before, archived [[Talk:Islamic_State_of_Iraq_and_the_Levant/Archive_37#Requested_move_15_July_2015|here (July 2015)]], again [[Talk:Islamic_State_of_Iraq_and_the_Levant/Archive_28#Requested_move_9_January_2015|here (Jan 2015)]] and more recently [[Talk:Islamic_State_of_Iraq_and_the_Levant/Archive_39#ISIS_vs_ISIL|here (Mar 2017)]], and see table "Google result counts" below.


[https://www.theguardian.com/world/2024/oct/20/election-islamic-state-us-attacks?utm_term=6714e2b354200df9d2cf8d047d1a3cd7&utm_campaign=GuardianTodayUS&utm_source=esp&utm_medium=Email&CMP=GTUS_email] [[User:Doug Weller|<span style="color:#070">Doug Weller</span>]] [[User talk:Doug Weller|talk]] 11:16, 20 October 2024 (UTC)
Key objections from the past discussions (see "previously nominated to be moved" above) have included:


:@[[User:Doug Weller|Doug Weller]] Cite reliable sources to confirm it. [[User:Stranger43286|BangladeshiStranger🇧🇩]] ([[User talk:Stranger43286|talk]]) 08:42, 14 November 2024 (UTC)
* "Islamic State" has other uses and is too generic: adding " (some qualifier)" deals with this.
::@[[User:Stranger43286|Stranger43286]] Why didn't you bother to look first? That would be the sensible idea and sholw good faith. The first hit is [https://www.theguardian.com/world/2024/oct/20/election-islamic-state-us-attacks] [[User:Doug Weller|<span style="color:#070">Doug Weller</span>]] [[User talk:Doug Weller|talk]] 11:35, 14 November 2024 (UTC)
* They are neither Islamic nor a State: policy [[WP:TITLECHANGES]] says "the choice of title is not dependent on whether a name is "right" in a moral or political sense.
* NPOV / wikipedia should not be a mouthpiece: how is the current title "Islamic State of Iraq and the Levant" less POV? It still contains the word Islamic, and imho the implicit suggestion that it is just an Iraqi/Levantine version of Islam and other Muslims need not take offence - that really is not OK particularly for the Iraqis, Levantines and Syrians implicated.
* Locals and much American media call them Daesh: that is an abbreviation of an Arabic name, which translates to "al-Dawlah al-Islamīyah fī al-ʻIrāq wa-al-Shām". This is the English Wikipedia, and should [[Wikipedia:Naming conventions (use English)|use English]]. If someone wants it to be Daesh, they can raise a separate RfC or move request.
* WP:TITLECHANGES "has been stable a long time" / [[WP:Recentism]]: the name change started 3-4 years ago, the current title has remained for that time, but has been out-dated for a large part of it; it is a mistake to confuse stability with simply avoiding recentism.
[[User:Batternut|Batternut]] ([[User talk:Batternut|talk]]) 11:57, 4 July 2017 (UTC)
{| class="wikitable"
|+ Google result counts (as of 4 Jul 2017)
!search term !!book results !!news results (archives) !!news results (past year) !! scholar results
|-
|"Baghdadi" "Islamic State of Iraq and Syria" ||''about 1,390'' ||''about 11.5k'' ||3,190 ||869
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|"Baghdadi" "Islamic State of Iraq and the Levant" ||''about 1,320'' ||''about 4,080'' ||439 ||741
|-
|"Baghdadi" "Islamic State" -"Islamic State of Iraq and Syria" -"Islamic State of Iraq and the Levant" -"so called Islamic State" ||''about 6,420'' ||''about 99k'' ||''about 41k'' ||''about 3,200''
|}


== Very small Minor edit request ==
Note that this is an RFC, not a move request - the qualifier is still ''to-be-decided'' (TBD). If the concensus is to rename, then a subsequent discussion can choose the qualifier.


{{edit semi-protected|Islamic State|answered=yes}}
[[User:Batternut|Batternut]] ([[User talk:Batternut|talk]]) 11:57, 4 July 2017 (UTC)
Add an collapsible list into groups infobox, it's very long. <br><small>(''this topic will be deleted after accepting'')</small> [[Special:Contributions/178.81.55.110|178.81.55.110]] ([[User talk:178.81.55.110|talk]]) 19:25, 9 November 2024 (UTC)
:{{done}}. ~[[User:Anachronist|Anachronist]] <small>([[User talk:Anachronist|talk]])</small> 20:49, 11 November 2024 (UTC)


== First sentence ==
PS In this debate, while welcoming reasoned arguments, can we please avoid [[wp:Wall of text]] postings?
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: [[Daesh]] is already a redirect.--[[User:Dthomsen8|Dthomsen8]] ([[User talk:Dthomsen8|talk]]) 21:29, 4 July 2017 (UTC)


I have removed, from the first sentence of the article, (uncited) text that calls ISIL an "[[Diplomatic recognition|unrecognised]] [[quasi-state]]." It is true that, as of 2024, affiliates of the terror group hold territorial control over shifting areas of Africa (which we mention in the lead section), but the preponderance of sources (or at least the sources currently cited) don't seem to commonly use the "quasi-state" verbiage to describe ISIL presently - certainly not at a frequency sufficient to justify its inclusion in the lead. Neither of the two sources cited on the present situation in Africa ([https://www.crisisgroup.org/sites/default/files/2024-03/b196-jas-vs-iswap_0.pdf], [https://www.understandingwar.org/backgrounder/salafi-jihadi-movement-weekly-update-may-17-2023]) use the term. Given all that, the "quasi-state" language is more likely to confuse readers than enlighten them, especially as it seems to conflate the situation a decade ago (2012/2013 era) with the situation today. (Note, too, that there are many terror/insurgent groups that occupy territory but are not commonly described as "quasi-states." [[User:Neutrality|Neutrality]]<sup>[[User talk:Neutrality|talk]]</sup> 19:03, 14 November 2024 (UTC)
=== Survey ===
* '''Support:''' as original poster, for the reasons I put in the RfC. [[User:Batternut|Batternut]] ([[User talk:Batternut|talk]]) 11:57, 4 July 2017 (UTC)
* '''Support''' - They've branched out of the initial Daesh (from which the English IL were added). They should be "Islamic State (qualifier denoting they are a non-recognized state / non-state actor)" - as per accepted usage. It is also unclear, at this time, how long they will remain in control the land they still nominally hold in Iraq and Syria while they have established footholds elsewhere (Nigeria, Sinai, Libya, etc.).[[User:Icewhiz|Icewhiz]] ([[User talk:Icewhiz|talk]]) 12:10, 4 July 2017 (UTC)
* '''Support:''' as original poster, per [[User:Batternut|Batternut]].--[[User:Dthomsen8|Dthomsen8]] ([[User talk:Dthomsen8|talk]]) 21:26, 4 July 2017 (UTC)
*'''Oppose and Speedy Close''' this has been discussed to death and nothing has changed except the amount of land they control. We even had a moratorium on move requests. Further this is not a real proposal because it is vague and does not specify the proposed name. There is no confusion about what we are talking about with ISIL. We have a page for [[Islamic state]] already (confusingly similar) and it is a widely rejected name. We would not call a country [[Republic]] or [[Democracy]] or [[Kingdom]] with no geographic or ethnic qualifier. [[User:Legacypac|Legacypac]] ([[User talk:Legacypac|talk]]) 21:43, 4 July 2017 (UTC)
**'''Comment''' Due to different capitalization, I think a better analogy for your final sentence would be if a country were to call itself "[[DeMoCracy]]" or something like that. In which case, I would argue that the wikipedia article for that country would indeed be located at [[DeMoCracy]] rather than any other title with disambiguation added. Capitalization is sufficient disambiguation. Also, remember that hatnotes are possible– if this article were located at [[Islamic State]], we'd obviously have a hatnote saying something like {{For|the system of government|Islamic state}}. <font style="font-family: Comic Sans">[[User:Chessrat|<font color="#CC9900">Chessrat</font>]] <sup>([[User talk:Chessrat|<font color="green">talk</font>]], [[Special:Contributions/Chessrat|<font color="#ff7788">contributions</font>]]) </sup></font> 03:03, 22 July 2017 (UTC)
*'''Oppose''': At least until this is a defined proposed name, and I'll probably oppose it even then. ISIL remains in common use. I don't want to dignify this association of ragtag terrorists with anything like the proposed name. —[[User:Anomalocaris|Anomalocaris]] ([[User talk:Anomalocaris|talk]]) 05:37, 5 July 2017‎
*'''Support''' - Prefer no qualifier. Would move current article at [[Islamic State]] to [[Islamic Nationalism]] or [[Islamic State (qualifier)]]. I have a lot of sympathy with the ''oppose'' folks here. Clearly they're right to make their points about RECENTISM and AMBIGUITY. That said, the [[WP:COMMONNAME]] argument is pretty overwhelming. Essentially '''all''' media from the past year using the term ''Islamic State'' does so in the context of ISIS. Secondly, I think it's important to remember that just as [[WP:CCC|consensus can change]], so too can COMMONNAMEs change. Languages and terminologies change. For those who make the [[WP:RECENTISM]] argument, I'd ask; how long do we wait before making this change? If after a another year Islamic State is the common name for the group, do we change the title then? Two years? Ten years? How long? [[User:NickCT|NickCT]] ([[User talk:NickCT|talk]]) 12:46, 5 July 2017 (UTC)
*'''Comment''' [[User:Batternut]] as the proposer I suggest you add to your text above the survey subsection you preferred choice. Please sign the addition so that [[User:Anomalocaris|Anomalocaris]] comment in this bullet pointed list continues to make sense. -- [[User:PBS|PBS]] ([[User talk:PBS|talk]]) 12:16, 18 July 2017 (UTC)
*'''Oppose''' Per any reading of [[WP:COMMONNAME]] and [[WP:NPOV]] that is even vaguely faithful to those standards (as well as [[WP:PRECISE]] amd [[WP:CONCISE]] for that matter). Look, I am totally sympathetic to the motivations of the OP/Supporters here; I've found myself dancing around the same kinds of issues with regard to ISIL-related articles when I've chanced upon them over the last couple of years. I personally moved the article "Military of ISIL" to [[Military activity of ISIL]] (after a consensus discussion) because I felt strongly that it was both highly inaccurate and deeply inappropriate to label the fighting force a legitimate military. But here the sources and the policies are just too strongly aligned against the proposal, and the move just runs to directly counter to our most basic policies on neutrality and verification. While I totally understand the urge to stick a qualifier in there to mark this extremist organization for what it is at work go, our encyclopedic policies tell us <u>[[WP:TITLECHANGES|in absolutely explicit terms]]</u> that we are not allowed to change a title based on whether it is "{{tq|'right' in a moral or political sense}}". That guideline could not be more clear, and this is an utterly paradigmatic example of attempting to do just that, for exactly that reason. We have many articles on this project which adopt (as a principle of building an encyclopedia) the common name of a topic which may seem peculiar or even offensive to rational persons. But there are good reasons, in terms of encyclopedia building, to stick to them, even in those idiosyncratic occasions where it makes us blanch at the thought of going with the common name. [[User:Snow Rise|'''''<font color="#19a0fd">S</font><font color="#66c0fd">n</font><font color="#99d5fe">o</font><font color="#b2dffe">w</font>''''']] [[User talk:Snow Rise|<sup><font color="#d4143a">'''''let's rap'''''</font></sup>]] 23:25, 18 July 2017 (UTC)
::On a side note of a procedural nature, I should note that [[WP:RfC]]s are meant to be presented in a fashion that is neutral to the competing views, whereas the OP in this instance has definitely and exclusively emphasized the arguments for their preferred approach, at length I don't think it's going to have much of an impact on the responses here, but it's something you'll want to keep in mind for future RfCs, Batternut. [[User:Snow Rise|'''''<font color="#19a0fd">S</font><font color="#66c0fd">n</font><font color="#99d5fe">o</font><font color="#b2dffe">w</font>''''']] [[User talk:Snow Rise|<sup><font color="#d4143a">'''''let's rap'''''</font></sup>]] 23:30, 18 July 2017 (UTC)
:::The same rules for a [[WP:RM|RM]] do not apply "Note: Unlike other request processes on Wikipedia, such as RfC, nominations need not be neutral." -- [[User:PBS|PBS]] ([[User talk:PBS|talk]]) 07:00, 19 July 2017 (UTC)
::::General procedural note: this was an RfC at the time I made my previous comment.[[User:Snow Rise|'''''<font color="#19a0fd">S</font><font color="#66c0fd">n</font><font color="#99d5fe">o</font><font color="#b2dffe">w</font>''''']] [[User talk:Snow Rise|<sup><font color="#d4143a">'''''let's rap'''''</font></sup>]] 07:17, 19 July 2017 (UTC)


== Proposal to include IS-CP and Add a Section on Involvement within the borders of the Russian Federation ==
*'''Support move to [[Islamic State]]''' (with no qualifier). It's the common name used by lots of media outlets; disambiguation is not necessary as this article is the primary topic for "Islamic State" with a capital S. (There is precedent for disambiguating with capitalization alone; c.f. [[BlackBerry]] and [[Blackberry]]). <font style="font-family: Comic Sans">[[User:Chessrat|<font color="#CC9900">Chessrat</font>]] <sup>([[User talk:Chessrat|<font color="green">talk</font>]], [[Special:Contributions/Chessrat|<font color="#ff7788">contributions</font>]]) </sup></font> 02:54, 22 July 2017 (UTC)
::Islamic State does get a lot of mileage in common media, but I don't think it's nearly as common as ISIL. (Batternut's search results above do not factor in a number of important variables, including but not limited to: A) The prolific use of the acronyms (ISIL and ISIS especially), B) the fact that the vast, vast majority of search results are not [[WP:RS]] and thus cannot be considered as part of the [[WP:WEIGHT]] of editorial decisions on this project, and C) the fact that Google's search algorithms take massive liberties with Boolean functions such as "do not include".)

::Then there's the disambiguation concerns; unfortunately, I think the position that there is some precedent with regard to disambiguating via capitalization is a bit of a non-sequitor to the present circumstances. It's hard to imagine two topics that are more different than a [[blackberry]] and a [[BlackBerry]], and confusion for our readers and editors in that situation is unlikely. On the other hand, there's a huge overlap in the topics you propose should have titles that are identical but for the capitalization of one word. ISIL named itself as it did specifically because its leadership views the group as an Islamic state, and models itself as such.

::Maybe there's still a [[WP:COMMONNAME]] argument to support your approach and overcome the other concerns, but I for one would need to see more evidence first, in the form of an analysis exclusively of a large body of RS, not random Google searches that are subject to all kinds of potential misleading influences on the results. [[User:Snow Rise|'''''<font color="#19a0fd">S</font><font color="#66c0fd">n</font><font color="#99d5fe">o</font><font color="#b2dffe">w</font>''''']] [[User talk:Snow Rise|<sup><font color="#d4143a">'''''let's rap'''''</font></sup>]] 07:48, 23 July 2017 (UTC)

=== Threaded discussion ===
The [[Talk:Islamic_State_of_Iraq_and_the_Levant/Archive_38#RfC:_One_year_moratorium_on_move_proposals|last moratorium]] was in September 2015, it expired last year. [[User:Batternut|Batternut]] ([[User talk:Batternut|talk]]) 22:49, 4 July 2017 (UTC)


What has changed (since the last naming discussion) except the amount of land they control? WP:Recentism, a factor in the last full discussion, no longer applies to the new name. [[User:Batternut|Batternut]] ([[User talk:Batternut|talk]]) 23:11, 4 July 2017 (UTC)
::No new names have emerged for ISIL since they tried to declare they ruled the world. No government has accepted or uses their preferred name. Some media abbreviate ISIL/ISIS to make shorter headlines. Our article has a huge section on why the world rejecxted their terrorist preferred name. So this proposal runs counter to the article itself. There are no new arguments for any name change except calling the terrorist by their preferred name - a name they will cut your tongue out if you refuse to use. Sorry I'm siding with all the governments in the world, the UN and Reliable Sources, not the terrorists. [[User:Legacypac|Legacypac]] ([[User talk:Legacypac|talk]]) 05:55, 5 July 2017 (UTC)
::: Here's a [[Reuters]] piece from today I ran across - [http://www.reuters.com/article/us-mideast-crisis-idUSKBN19P1WG]. All "Islamic State". No ISIS, ISIL, or "Islamic State of Iraq and the Levant". The use of ISIL/ISIS has mainly fallen out of use in the past two years - and users of ISIS/ISIL are usually POV-pushing the view that "Islamic State" is a terrorist organization. While they may indeed be such, it is not our place to make POV qualifications such as these. We should use the name they use to call themselves, and which is used by major international news orgs.[[User:Icewhiz|Icewhiz]] ([[User talk:Icewhiz|talk]]) 08:37, 5 July 2017 (UTC)


Some Government usage stats (re the "I'm siding with all the Governments in the world" argument). Here are the results of some searches I hadn't tried before, showing relative usage of ISIL vs IS by [[English language#Three circles of English-speaking countries|inner circle nations]] of English speakers. It appears that "Islamic State" is pretty popular in the larger English-speaking governments of the world, even where official policy dictates otherwise:
{| class="wikitable"
|+ Government usage Google counts (as of 5 Jul 2017)
!search term !! .gov + .mil !! .gov.uk + .parliament.uk !! .gc.ca{{efn|Exclusively uses Daesh}} !! .gov.au !! .gov.ie !! .govt.nz !! tot
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|"Baghdadi" "Islamic State of Iraq and the Levant" || 39 || 16 || 0 || 27 || 0 || 2 || 84
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|"Baghdadi" "Islamic State" -"Islamic State of Iraq and Syria" -"Islamic State of Iraq and the Levant" -"so called Islamic State" -"Islamic State of Iraq" || 50 || 27 || 0 || 25 || 0 || 16 || 118
|}
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[[User:Batternut|Batternut]] ([[User talk:Batternut|talk]]) 09:28, 5 July 2017 (UTC)

Like all the Google stats before presented here - you can't show that "Islamic State" beats "Islamic State of Iraq and the Levant" or ISIS or ISIL or "group" because all these terms include the words "Islamic State" within them. Also Daish is short for ISIL/ISIS not "Islamic State" so we must count all versions of Diash toward the longer name. [[User:Legacypac|Legacypac]] ([[User talk:Legacypac|talk]]) 09:44, 5 July 2017 (UTC)
:Tch, learn what "-" does before a search term! Of course it is not simple as a quick search: typically authors use one term, but add "... also known as IS/ISIL/ISIS etc", spelled out or abbreviated; also the citing of sources introduces alternative terms. Quite tediously I have just been through all 60 results for site:gov "Baghdadi" "Islamic State" - to see which terms are favoured by US government authors, ie filtering out the aka ..., citations etc, and the other chaff Google finds. With that removed, the numbers are small, but perhaps better indicate US government policy (to use 'ISIL') and reality. My conclusion is that US government bodies definitely use "Islamic State", especially recently, though only half as much as simple searching suggests. That governments will be last to use this new name is no surprise.
{| class="wikitable"
!year !! Islamic State !! Islamic State of Iraq and the Levant !! Islamic State of Iraq and Syria !! Daesh / Da'esh
|-
|2017 || 3 || 0 || 2 || 0
|-
|2016 || 4 || 9 || 3 || 1
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|total || 10 || 20 || 9 || 2
|}
[[User:Batternut|Batternut]] ([[User talk:Batternut|talk]]) 14:48, 6 July 2017 (UTC)
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I have closed the RfC and reopend it as an [[WP:RM|RM]] because the requested moves process is the best one to use for requested moves. This is for several reasons:
# Generally it is a shorter process so decisions are reached more quickly.
# It tends to attract more editors who have an interest and expertise in page titles over and above those who lurk around the talk page of a specific article. An RfC is less likely to attract such expertise.
#The process and closing of an RM is tailored made for moving pages. It includes a [[Wikipedia:Move review|move review]] option for anyone thinks that the process had not been followed correctly.
I have done this as an administrator under "Page restrictions" of the [[Wikipedia:Arbitration Committee/Discretionary sanctions|discretionary sanctions]] that operate on this page, and I will not be involved in the discussion or the close. If you wish to question this decision then in the first instance please leave a message on my talk page. -- [[User:PBS|PBS]] ([[User talk:PBS|talk]]) 12:01, 18 July 2017 (UTC)
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To help the above discussion, and to prepare for a concrete [[WP:MOVEREQ|Move Request]], let us consider which qualifier will be most acceptable. Applicable policy is at [[WP:TITLE#Disambiguation]].
My initial thoughts are:
* Islamic State (group)
* Islamic State (so-called)
* Islamic State (terrorist group)
* Islamic State (self proclaimed)
My own inclination would be for "group", though I'm not that bothered... [[User:Batternut|Batternut]] ([[User talk:Batternut|talk]]) 15:00, 8 July 2017 (UTC)
* I would oppose "group" because ISIL/IS really is not a group, but an actual proto-state that controls territory, has a functioning government, has laws, raises taxes, keeps an army that is far more than a mere militia and is extremely bureaucratic. I know however that people would probably run amok if anything containing "state" would be in the article title. So I support "Islamic State (so-called)" or "Islamic State (self proclaimed)". [[User:Applodion|Applodion]] ([[User talk:Applodion|talk]]) 21:27, 8 July 2017 (UTC)
::Some examples of "(group)" disambiguations include [[Lehi (group)]] (Yitzhak Shamir's old "paramilitary" organization), [[The O (political group)]] (a US Maoist group), and [[Anonymous (group)]], none of which have (yet) raised taxes or held territory. Neither "so-called" nor "self proclaimed" have not been used for disambiguation before, so are free of precedent. [[User:Batternut|Batternut]] ([[User talk:Batternut|talk]]) 12:24, 10 July 2017 (UTC)

I have just noticed that the Arabic wiki article for these guys is "تنظيم الدولة الإسلامية (داعش)", which translates to "Islamic Country Group (Daesh)". Though entertainingly derogatory, the name "Daesh" carries a definite POV with it, which is why I do not suggest Islamic State (Daesh). [[User:Batternut|Batternut]] ([[User talk:Batternut|talk]]) 12:24, 10 July 2017 (UTC)
:::It sounds a little like you are POV pushing this change to further the Daesh agenda - ie don't want to use a degrogatory term in the title. Daesh is widely used in the middle east and france especially. ISIL is the English equivalent. So you need to add all the ISIS+ISIL+Daesh variations together as they are functionally equivilent terms to balance against the POV terrorist favored option. [[User:Legacypac|Legacypac]] ([[User talk:Legacypac|talk]]) 20:10, 10 July 2017 (UTC)
::::Regarding this bunch of cut-throats, I hereby declare my POV - I don't like them, and am happy to see them kicked out of Mosul and elsewhere. Regarding the question at hand, the title of this article, I prefer direct speaking over a ''they who shall not be named'' type of approach; and I think sticking with the IS in Iraq/Syria tag is a bit unfair on the long-suffering Iraqis and Syrians, since most of the banditos shafting them and their countries are foreigners. [[User:Batternut|Batternut]] ([[User talk:Batternut|talk]]) 21:24, 10 July 2017 (UTC)
::::{{Ping|Legacypac}} Re "add all the ISIS+ISIL+Daesh variations together" - I have done a little more research. (I know you like the stats, Legacypac ;-) Googling news search for terms "Mosul" and "Abadi" from 9th Jul 2017 - today - ie focussing on Abadi's declaration of Mosul's liberation. In summary, 64% of news sites are using just "Islamic State", 25% are not using "Islamic State" at all, and 11% are using both. I don't buy the "add all the ISIS+ISIL+Daesh variations together" argument anyway, but even doing so IS still has over double all the rest. (full data below). FYI "Islamic State of the Iraq and Levant"/ISIL is at only 4%. [[User:Batternut|Batternut]] ([[User talk:Batternut|talk]]) 15:21, 12 July 2017 (UTC)

{{Cot|title=Data re news search for terms "Mosul" and "Abadi" from 9th Jul 2017 - today (~ 15:00 CET 12th July)}}
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https://www.google.co.uk/search?q=mosul+abadi&num=100&lr=lang_en&client=ubuntu&channel=fs&biw=1908&bih=928&source=lnt&tbs=lr%3Alang_1en%2Ccdr%3A1%2Ccd_min%3A7%2F9%2F2017%2Ccd_max%3A&tbm=nws

Google news search (English language) for "mosul" "abadi" from 9th Jul 2017 - today (~ 15:00 CET 12th July)
Ignoring multiple pages from the same domain, and domains with 7-digit Alexa rank)

Subtotals (of 5): Islamic State 3, ISIS 1, (Islamic State & ISIS 1)
Subtotals (of 15): Islamic State 8, ISIL 1, ISIS 1, Daesh 1, Daesh/ISIL 1, (Islamic State & ISIS 3)
Subtotals (of 16): Islamic State 10, ISIS 5, Daesh 1
Subtotals (of 17): Islamic State 13, ISIS 2, (Islamic State & ISIS 2)

Totals (of 53): Islamic State 34, ISIS 9, Daesh 2, Daesh & ISIL 1, ISIL 1, (Islamic State & ISIS 6)
Percentage using purely "Islamic State": 64% (34 of 53)
ISIS/Daesh/ISIL combined: 25% (13 of 53)
(percentage using both 6/53 = 11%)
(percentage using ISIL alone or in combo 2/53 = 4%)

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Global Name (abbreviation) url
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96 so-called Islamic State (IS) http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-middle-east-40558836
153 Islamic State (IS) terrorist group http://news.xinhuanet.com/english/2017-07/09/c_136430217.htm
491 Islamic State https://in.reuters.com/article/mideast-crisis-iraq-mosul-idINKBN19W0O4
602 Islamic State (ISIS) http://www.npr.org/2017/07/10/536392956/iraqs-prime-minister-celebrates-win-over-isis-in-mosul
865 ISIS http://www.nbcnews.com/news/world/iraq-pm-abadi-arrives-mosul-declare-victory-over-isis-n781066
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Subtotals (of 5): Islamic State 3, ISIS 1, (Islamic State & ISIS 1)

1,027 Islamic State group (IS) http://www.news.com.au/world/middle-east/iraqi-prime-minister-haider-alabadi-arrives-in-liberated-mosul/news-story/f3c0f69ea61229d1a78e3b6dbc67cd00
1,077 ISIS http://www.slate.com/blogs/the_slatest/2017/07/09/iraq_celebrates_victory_over_isis_in_mosul.html
1,031 Islamic State http://abcnews.go.com/International/wireStory/latest-state-tv-iraqi-prime-minister-arrives-mosul-48530611
1,258 Islamic State (IS) http://www.thehindu.com/news/g20-summit-mosul-liberation-burhan-wani-and-more-top-stories-for-today/article19245427.ece
1,997 Islamic State of the Iraq and Levant (ISIL) http://www.aljazeera.com/news/2017/07/mosul-170710160305183.html
2,116 Islamic State (IS) https://www.ghanaweb.com/GhanaHomePage/world/Iraq-PM-in-Mosul-to-celebrate-IS-defeat-556980
3,734 Daesh https://www.thestar.com/news/world/2017/07/10/iraqi-prime-minister-haider-al-abadi-declares-total-victory-over-daesh-in-mosul.html
5,979 Islamic State (ISIS) http://www.nrttv.com/en/Details.aspx?Jimare=15512
6,638 Daesh (ISIL) http://english.almanar.com.lb/301123
1,118 Islamic State (ISIS) http://www.sfgate.com/business/article/Mosul-Liberated-as-Islamic-State-Faces-Total-11275706.php
1,181 Islamic State http://www.marketwatch.com/story/iraqis-celebrate-impending-liberation-of-mosul-from-islamic-state-2017-07-09
1,928 Islamic State (IS) http://www.smh.com.au/comment/islamic-state-is-now-just-another-terrorist-group-competing-for-recruits-20170712-gx9n0z.html
6,140 Islamic State https://www.thetimes.co.uk/edition/news/mosul-iraq-prime-minister-haider-al-abadi-hails-victory-over-islamicstate-2jwx0qq86
4,821 Islamic State https://www.sbs.com.au/news/article/2017/07/10/iraqs-abadi-declare-mosul-victory
6,629 Islamic State (ISIS) http://theweek.com/5things/711053/iraqi-prime-minister-declares-total-victory-mosul
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Subtotals (of 15): Islamic State 8, ISIL 1, ISIS 1, Daesh 1, Daesh/ISIL 1, (Islamic State & ISIS 3)

17,388 ISIS http://www.rudaw.net/english/middleeast/iraq/100720174
10,638 Islamic State http://www.sandiegouniontribune.com/opinion/the-conversation/sd-iraq-victory-in-mosul-20170710-htmlstory.html
15,342 Daesh http://www.presstv.ir/Detail/2017/07/10/528062/headlines
29,058 ISIS https://www.outlookindia.com/newsscroll/trump-praises-iraqi-american-soldiers-post-isis-defeat-in-mosul/1097010/?next
33,669 Islamic State (IS) http://www.al-monitor.com/pulse/en/originals/2017/07/mosul-iraq-abadi-isis.html
36,192 ISIS https://www.gatestoneinstitute.org/10654/mosul-iraq-challenges
36,912 Islamic State https://news.trust.org/item/20170710111929-aayw0 (Reuters)
31,409 Islamic State (IS) http://www.courant.com/nation-world/ct-iraqi-troops-mosul-militants-20170709-story.html
50,837 Islamic State https://www.i24news.tv/en/news/international/middle-east/150079-170710-iraq-s-pm-officially-declares-victory-over-islamic-state-in-mosul
62,647 Islamic State (IS) http://news.kuwaittimes.net/website/amir-congratulates-iraq-mosuls-liberation/
66,474 ISIS http://www.localsyr.com/news/world-news/inside-the-last-battle-for-mosul/762256962
71,386 mythical terrorist (ISIS) https://www.dailypioneer.com/world/iraq-pm-declares-victory-over-isis-in-mosul.html
14,201 Islamic State (IS) http://www.orlandosentinel.com/news/nationworld/ct-iraqi-troops-mosul-militants-20170709-story.html
16,279 Islamic State (IS) http://guardian.ng/news/iraqi-prime-minister-hails-victory-over-brutality-and-terrorism-in-mosul/
47,551 Islamic State http://www.euractiv.com/section/politics/news/eu-hails-the-liberation-of-mosul-from-islamic-state/
71,946 Islamic State http://www.centralmaine.com/2017/07/09/iraq-prime-minister-declares-victory-in-mosul/
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Subtotals (of 16): Islamic State 10, ISIS 5, Daesh 1

153,249 ISIS militants https://www.newsbytesapp.com/timeline/world/8719/49506/battle-for-mosul-2
349,296 Islamic State (IS) http://www.caledonianrecord.com/news/world/iraqi-declares-total-victory-over-islamic-state-in-mosul/article_d320da20-5279-5683-b9ed-5664e9ef5e87.html
459,618 Islamic State http://ravallirepublic.com/news/world/article_2c30550a-4f55-58ec-a082-86474a8dc712.html
107,528 Islamic State http://www.waow.com/story/35842594/2017/07/Sunday/state-tv-iraqi-prime-minister-arrives-in-mosul-to-declare-victory
109,425 Islamic State (IS) https://www.ecns.cn/2017/07-10/264725.shtml
217,891 Islamic State (IS) http://www.radioaustralia.net.au/international/2017-07-11/battle-for-mosul-iraqi-pm-declares-victory-over-is-militants-as-us-warns-of-continued-threat/1685046
491,270 Islamic State (IS) https://www.cachevalleydaily.com/news/world/article_841e7376-dde0-59b8-b0fe-85634e59559c.html
109,571 Islamic State (IS) http://www.theday.com/article/20170709/NWS13/170709377
114,543 Islamic State (ISIS, IS) http://fox11online.com/news/nation-world/iraqi-troops-push-to-clear-last-mosul-ground-of-isis-militants
792,945 Islamic State (IS) http://www.stowetoday.com/news_and_citizen/news/world_news/al-abadi-tours-part-of-mosul-on-foot-under-heavy/html_cfb129fe-86e9-5bdd-a4a8-be9de2af48c0.html (hover to see)
255,018 Islamic State group (IS) http://www.morningjournal.com/article/MJ/20170710/NEWS/170719993
256,330 Islamic State http://www.defenceweb.co.za/index.php?option=com_content&view=article&id=48505:iraqi-prime-minister-congratulates-armed-forces-for-mosul-victory&catid=115:middle-east
148,534 ISIS http://www.good4utah.com/news/world-news/inside-the-last-battle-for-mosul/762257192
860,399 Islamic State group http://www.redbluffdailynews.com/article/ND/20170710/NEWS/170719993
133,265 Islamic State (ISIS) http://wsbt.com/news/nation-world/iraqi-troops-push-to-clear-last-mosul-ground-of-isis-militants
932,326 Islamic State (IS) http://www.dudleynews.co.uk/news/15404921.National_news__Air_strikes_target_remaining_Islamic_State_militants_in_Mosul/
312,227 Islamic State (IS) http://www.news-sentinel.com/news/us-and-world/the-latest-iraqi-pm-celebrates-in-mosul-but-battle-ongoing_20170709&profile=1029
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Subtotals (of 17): Islamic State 13, ISIS 2, (Islamic State & ISIS 2)


Ignored (Alexa 1M+)
http://www.bromsgroveadvertiser.co.uk/news/15404921.National_news__Air_strikes_target_remaining_Islamic_State_militants_in_Mosul/
https://www.ruidosonews.com/story/news/world/2017/07/09/iraqi-pm-arrives-in-mosul/462658001/
http://redriverradio.org/post/mosul-has-been-liberated-isis-control-iraqs-prime-minister-says
http://www.jewishvoiceny.com/index.php?option=com_content&view=article&id=18533:iraqi-pm-declares-victory-over-oppression-brutality-terrorism-as-mosul-is-liberated-from-is&catid=106&Itemid=772

Ignored (duplicate dom)
http://www.presstv.ir/Detail/2017/07/11/528164/Lebanon-Hezbollah-Nasrallah-Mosul-liberation-Daesh-terrorists-Middle-East
http://www.sbs.com.au/news/article/2017/07/11/leader-al-baghdadi-reported-dead-after-loss-mosul
http://abcnews.go.com/International/iraqi-prime-minister-al-abadi-declares-victory-isis/story?id=48532013
https://www.reuters.com/article/us-mideast-crisis-iraq-mosul-idUSKBN19V105
http://www.nrttv.com/en/Details.aspx?Jimare=15546
http://fox11online.com/news/nation-world/state-tv-iraqi-prime-minister-arrives-in-mosul
https://uk.reuters.com/article/uk-mideast-crisis-iraq-mosul-idUKKBN19W0NR
http://ravallirepublic.com/news/world/article_f580233b-7ec7-5a8b-a70f-a213ed31dbbc.html
http://www.nrttv.com/en/Details.aspx?Jimare=15494
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: Daesh is not derogatory - it was self used (until the declaration of the caliphate). Others used it is as a derogatory statement towards various people/groups, but it is just an acronym - the English ISIL is a direct translation of the four arabic letters. I would qualify '''Islamic State (group)''' - as long as the extent of their territory is in flux (as it is at present).[[User:Icewhiz|Icewhiz]] ([[User talk:Icewhiz|talk]]) 13:56, 10 July 2017 (UTC)
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The article shows a significant plurality of foreign fighters in Islamic State originating from The Russian Federation yet there is no mention of either IS-CP or the link to Chechan extremists/terrorists nor the direct involvemnet of Al-Qaeada fighters in the Second Chechen War and activities of IS-CP in Russia since inception of Islamic State/Daesh and it's military defeat two years later.
== Obama ==


I prepose inclusion of links to the main article for IS-CP in the article summary as well as a summary of IS-CP operations within the Caucuses. I'm interested in any discussion/contributions before amending the article. [[User:Debiant|Debiant]] ([[User talk:Debiant|talk]]) 15:12, 22 November 2024 (UTC)
Obama is the founder of ISIS

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Add A Fact: "Ex-soldier sentenced for aiding ISIS"

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I found a fact that might belong in this article. See the quote below

A former soldier in the U.S. Army was sentenced on Friday to 14 years in prison after pleading guilty to attempting to provide ISIS with information to help plan an ambush he thought would result in the deaths of U.S. soldiers in the Middle East, according to the U.S. Justice Department.

The fact comes from the following source:

https://www.nytimes.com/2024/10/12/us/cole-bridges-army-isis-sentencing.html


This post was generated using the Add A Fact browser extension.

TJMSmith (talk) 16:17, 13 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Requested Move 15 October 2024

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The following is a closed discussion of a requested move. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made in a new section on the talk page. Editors desiring to contest the closing decision should consider a move review after discussing it on the closer's talk page. No further edits should be made to this discussion.
The result of the move request was: Not moved. We normally keep RM discussions open for at least seven days with a possibility for prolongation via relisting. This discussion has now been open for more than four weeks. The request suggested a move to Islamic State (organisation), a target that for several years has been a stable and correctly categorized {{R from unnecessary disambiguation}} redirect to Islamic State.
The proposal to move has seen no policy-based support. The opposers argue per WP:COMMONNAME and WP:PRIMARYTOPIC that the article should stay at the base name, ergo the survey is closed noting a clear consensus not to move. (closed by non-admin page mover) Sam Sailor 17:14, 13 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Islamic State→? — Current name is just the "Islamic State", it’s can confuse readers with article about the concept. I don’t' suggest it to rename the article to ISIL, beacuse "ISIL" is not common name anymore and pretty outdated.

So let's rename the article to Islamic State (organisation). ISIS can be also suitable beacuse "ISIS" is currently common name to the group. Gaplow43286 (talk) 06:08, 15 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Oppose Islamic State is the common name for the organization, being the one used by the media. The organization is also the clear primary topic for the name "Islamic State" with this capitalization. The hatnote at the top of the article is good enough to clear up any confusion. QuicoleJR (talk) 19:07, 20 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Hi QuicoleJR, Naming the article "Islamic State (organization)" would be a more appropriate solution, as it clarifies that the article specifically refers to the militant group commonly known as ISIS, while distinguishing it from the broader and more diverse theoretical concept of an "Islamic State." This title would help avoid confusion, making it clear that the focus is on the organization rather than the general political or religious concept. By adding the term "organization," it also provides a more neutral and descriptive approach, acknowledging that the term "Islamic State" has broader historical and theoretical meanings, which should not be conflated with this particular group.The normal readers are not supposed to distinguish this minute difference.
--DelphiLore — Preceding undated comment added 18:56, 7 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Please convey your thoughts in your own words, chatbots are not helpful. - Ratnahastin (talk) 02:49, 12 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]
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"‘You are next’: online posts show Islamic State interest in attacks on US ahead of election"

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[1] Doug Weller talk 11:16, 20 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]

@Doug Weller Cite reliable sources to confirm it. BangladeshiStranger🇧🇩 (talk) 08:42, 14 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]
@Stranger43286 Why didn't you bother to look first? That would be the sensible idea and sholw good faith. The first hit is [2] Doug Weller talk 11:35, 14 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Very small Minor edit request

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Add an collapsible list into groups infobox, it's very long.
(this topic will be deleted after accepting) 178.81.55.110 (talk) 19:25, 9 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]

 Done. ~Anachronist (talk) 20:49, 11 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]

First sentence

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I have removed, from the first sentence of the article, (uncited) text that calls ISIL an "unrecognised quasi-state." It is true that, as of 2024, affiliates of the terror group hold territorial control over shifting areas of Africa (which we mention in the lead section), but the preponderance of sources (or at least the sources currently cited) don't seem to commonly use the "quasi-state" verbiage to describe ISIL presently - certainly not at a frequency sufficient to justify its inclusion in the lead. Neither of the two sources cited on the present situation in Africa ([3], [4]) use the term. Given all that, the "quasi-state" language is more likely to confuse readers than enlighten them, especially as it seems to conflate the situation a decade ago (2012/2013 era) with the situation today. (Note, too, that there are many terror/insurgent groups that occupy territory but are not commonly described as "quasi-states." Neutralitytalk 19:03, 14 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Proposal to include IS-CP and Add a Section on Involvement within the borders of the Russian Federation

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The article shows a significant plurality of foreign fighters in Islamic State originating from The Russian Federation yet there is no mention of either IS-CP or the link to Chechan extremists/terrorists nor the direct involvemnet of Al-Qaeada fighters in the Second Chechen War and activities of IS-CP in Russia since inception of Islamic State/Daesh and it's military defeat two years later.

I prepose inclusion of links to the main article for IS-CP in the article summary as well as a summary of IS-CP operations within the Caucuses. I'm interested in any discussion/contributions before amending the article. Debiant (talk) 15:12, 22 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]