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Merger proposal

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The result of this discussion was to merge. --Vic49 (talk) 21:48, 12 May 2013 (UTC)[reply]

I suggest merging the Morello crime family into this article's "Origins" section and creating a new section titled the "Mafia–Camorra War". --Vic49 (talk) 18:52, 5 June 2012 (UTC)[reply]

Name of the family has already been changed from Luciano to Genovese. So its right to merge it with morello crime family. but make sure not to alter the history(do mention the family's name change) 203.91.213.69 (talk)

Yes. As long as its not a cut and paste job, because some things need to be explained, like the points when the family slowly became more modernized. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 71.228.250.228 (talk) 21:58, 16 June 2012 (UTC)[reply]

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Undid merger

Frankly, how can the person who proposed the merger decide to merge after just two IP addresses participated in the discussion. The Morellos deserve their own page and their status of predecessors of the Genovese family is highly questionable. - DonCalo (talk) 14:39, 16 August 2014 (UTC)[reply]

The discussion was open for a entire year. The Morello article had no references and the gang became the Genovese crime family. when Charles Luciano took over after the murder of Masseria, some of the rackets were split up when Maranzano took over as Boss of Boss's but the family was still the old Morello family of Little Italy, East Harlem, the Bronx. --Vic49 (talk) 20:49, 16 August 2014 (UTC)[reply]

Merger Proposal 2016

I suggest merging the Morello crime family into this article again. I added the history of the Morello family into this articles "Origins" and "Mafia Camorra War" sections. What became of the Morello family became the early history of the Masseria/Luciano/Genovese crime family. With the same leaders taking over the same crews (gangs) in the same locations in New York City. The Morello family was the beginning of the Sicilian Mafia's take over of New York City. Later gangs emerged from the Morello family after internal rivalry's. Masseria took over control of the Morello family while adding smaller gangs to his family's power creating a more powerful crime family.--Vic49 (talk) 19:08, 1 January 2016 (UTC)[reply]

I oppose a merger. Masseria and Gaetano Reina were both members of the Morello gang and at roughly the same time became the leaders of their own gangs. So it might be more accurate to say the Morello gang split into the Masseria (later Genovese) and Reina (later Lucchese) gangs. If there is evidence of Reina being a boss before 1920, I may change my vote. Otherwise, it might be too confusing for some casual or younger readers (wanting to learn about Morello, the barrel murder etc.) to understand in a merged article. Libertybison (talk) 20:55, 21 February 2016 (UTC)[reply]

I oppose the merger. I agree with the above statement. Also, the Morello family page goes more into detail about the gang and I think it would be better to have a more detailed page explaining about the gang and its events rather than just have two small sections about it in another page.--Donovan Ellis (talk) 22:33, 22 March 2016 (UTC)[reply]

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Violation of NPOV?

In the lead section, there is this sentence,

"The Genovese crime family is the most intelligent, sophisticated, crafty, logical, and the largest, of the "five families"."

Every descriptor, minus "largest" seems to be opinion, not fact. Especially as there is no source or sources given for them being described that way. Describing them as the largest should also have a citation as well, I assume.

Elfglitter (talk) 05:02, 27 April 2016 (UTC)[reply]

Though I agree that the statement "The Genovese crime family is the most intelligent, sophisticated, crafty, logical, and the largest, of the "five families" shouldn't be on the Genovese article, it is factual and many sources would also agree. From ranking, the Genovese, Lucchese and Gambino are currently the most dominant Mafia families in New York, if not across the entire US. The Genovese family currently hold the highest amount of power among the Five Families and I also believe have the most members. As I said several sources would agree but the subject hasn't been up for discussion so you will not find any sources to confirm that. I can merely say that if you know your stuff about the American Mafia then you would also agree that the Genovese family at this moment in time are the strongest and most powerful, but I agree that it is a violation as it could be perceived as someone's matter of opinion sources are normal protocol for Wikipedia.

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Suggestion to remove Carmine Desapio from "See Also"

Carmine Desapio is not mentioned anywhere in this entire article and the Genovese crime family is not mentioned anywhere in Carmine Desapio's article. It seems like an odd mention when there are only two items under See Also. Is there some explanation or reason why this is there? 173.90.106.170 (talk) 21:44, 11 November 2019 (UTC)[reply]

Done. Vaselineeeeeeee^★★★ 21:59, 11 November 2019 (UTC)[reply]

Frank “Funzi” Tieri and Carmine “Little Eli” Zeccardi

Can anyone please explain for me how Frank “Funzi” Tieri was apparently able to simultaneously serve as both underboss and street boss (front boss) of the Genovese family from 1972 to 1974, and why he would do so only to step down as underboss but continue to serve as street boss (front boss) until his indictment in 1980?

Also, why does the “Underboss” portion of the “Historical Leadership” section say that Tieri was promoted to front boss in 1974 when, at the same time, the “Street boss (front boss)” portion says that Tieri began serving as front boss in 1972?

Looking back through the edit history of the “Historical Leadership” section of this page, I noticed that it once listed this figure known as Carmine “Little Eli” Zeccardi as having served as street boss (front boss) from 1972 to 1974 when he and Tieri apparently swapped positions for some reason, with Tieri taking over as front boss and Zeccardi taking over as underboss.

Can we please get a source that indicates that this Zeccardi did actually serve as underboss of the Genovese family from 1974 to 1975? Because this claim doesn’t have a citation and I haven’t been able to find any credible sources myself that state that Zeccardi ever served as underboss of the Genovese family. Elephantbones (talk) 08:18, 24 January 2021 (UTC)[reply]

Is it not true.

Most or at least half of the syndicated crimes go through as an unlawful attempt to accomplish a specific goal which could be reached otherwise, although complications arise and ensued is illegally pursued life of what is "the life".

Given the Criminal Justice system is flawed and the Judicial system is not to be held in contempt, then civil rights are violated and throughout history as what was known as perogies.

The crimes committed were considered an offense to laws and there were no way to lead a lifestyle which would be considered criminal. Although, is it considerate, of the lifestyle specifically known, to whose authority is the offense therefore criminal?

Law is a structural basis where as in the society asks that standards are conformed to the society and laws are followed. A loophole. Apoklinonaides (talk) 18:05, 10 February 2022 (UTC)[reply]

In popular culture

"The Genovese crime family has a long history of portrayal in Hollywood as the subject of film and television." And yet there is listed a single TV show from 2019, and a single film from 1991. Seriously? A "long history" and just those two is the best you can do? 86.26.33.25 (talk) 14:21, 16 November 2023 (UTC)[reply]

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+== Suggestion to remove Carmine Desapio from "See Also" ==
+Carmine Desapio is not mentioned anywhere in this entire article and the Genovese crime family is not mentioned anywhere in Carmine Desapio's article. It seems like an odd mention when there are only two items under See Also. Is there some explanation or reason why this is there? [[Special:Contributions/173.90.106.170|173.90.106.170]] ([[User talk:173.90.106.170|talk]]) 21:44, 11 November 2019 (UTC)
+:{{Done}}. '''[[User:Vaselineeeeeeee|<b style="color:black">Vaseline</b><b style="color:lightgrey">eeeeeee</b>]]<sup><small>[[User talk:Vaselineeeeeeee|<span style="color:gold">★★★</span>]]</small></sup>''' 21:59, 11 November 2019 (UTC)
+== Frank “Funzi” Tieri and Carmine “Little Eli” Zeccardi ==
+Can anyone please explain for me how Frank “Funzi” Tieri was apparently able to simultaneously serve as both underboss and street boss (front boss) of the Genovese family from 1972 to 1974, and why he would do so only to step down as underboss but continue to serve as street boss (front boss) until his indictment in 1980?
+Also, why does the “Underboss” portion of the “Historical Leadership” section say that Tieri was promoted to front boss in 1974 when, at the same time, the “Street boss (front boss)” portion says that Tieri began serving as front boss in 1972?
+Looking back through the edit history of the “Historical Leadership” section of this page, I noticed that it once listed this figure known as Carmine “Little Eli” Zeccardi as having served as street boss (front boss) from 1972 to 1974 when he and Tieri apparently swapped positions for some reason, with Tieri taking over as front boss and Zeccardi taking over as underboss.
+Can we please get a source that indicates that this Zeccardi did actually serve as underboss of the Genovese family from 1974 to 1975? Because this claim doesn’t have a citation and I haven’t been able to find any credible sources myself that state that Zeccardi ever served as underboss of the Genovese family. [[User:Elephantbones|Elephantbones]] ([[User talk:Elephantbones|talk]]) 08:18, 24 January 2021 (UTC)
+== Is it not true. ==
+Most or at least half of the syndicated crimes go through as an unlawful attempt to accomplish a specific goal which could be reached otherwise, although complications arise and ensued is illegally pursued life of what is "the life".
+Given the Criminal Justice system is flawed and the Judicial system is not to be held in contempt, then civil rights are violated and throughout history as what was known as perogies.
+The crimes committed were considered an offense to laws and there were no way to lead a lifestyle which would be considered criminal.
+Although, is it considerate, of the lifestyle specifically known, to whose authority is the offense therefore criminal?
+Law is a structural basis where as in the society asks that standards are conformed to the society and laws are followed. A loophole. [[User:Apoklinonaides|Apoklinonaides]] ([[User talk:Apoklinonaides|talk]]) 18:05, 10 February 2022 (UTC)
+== In popular culture ==
+"The Genovese crime family has a long history of portrayal in Hollywood as the subject of film and television." And yet there is listed a single TV show from 2019, and a single film from 1991. Seriously? A "long history" and just those two is the best you can do? [[Special:Contributions/86.26.33.25|86.26.33.25]] ([[User talk:86.26.33.25|talk]]) 14:21, 16 November 2023 (UTC)