Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Thiripuram

The following discussion is an archived debate of the proposed deletion of the article below. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review). No further edits should be made to this page.

The result was draftify. Article has been moved to Draft:Thiripuram. Ritchie333 ^{(talk) (cont)} 11:23, 23 September 2017 (UTC)

Thiripuram

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As of yet non-notable film that fails WP:MOVIE and lacks significant coverage. December 2017 release date, so qualified for WP:TOOSOON. The inclusion of a notable individual's (Mayilsamy) son as an actor in the film does not confer notability per WP:NOTINHERITED SamHolt6 (talk) 18:25, 11 September 2017 (UTC)

There are enough materials available in the media websites regarding this upcoming movie. Its clearly an upcoming Tamil Indian language movie. Not to be considered for deletion. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Mrgrockz (talk • contribs) 18:53, 11 September 2017 (UTC)

Note: This debate has been included in the list of Film-related deletion discussions. CAPTAIN RAJU^(T) 18:55, 11 September 2017 (UTC)

Note: This debate has been included in the list of India-related deletion discussions. CAPTAIN RAJU^(T) 18:56, 11 September 2017 (UTC)

This article seems fine and only needs improvement. Should not be treated for deletion. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 210.18.134.240 (talk) 06:20, 12 September 2017 (UTC)

Thiripuram upcoming Indian Tamil language movie content verified through media and news links. You can approve the page. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 210.18.133.241 (talk) 18:06, 14 September 2017 (UTC)

Article seems to be fine and valid. Submit for approval. This article can be moved out of Articles for Deletion. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 210.18.141.246 (talk) 16:43, 15 September 2017 (UTC)

• Overturn Original deletion decision was not consistent with current policies. 210.18.141.246 (talk) 16:54, 15 September 2017 (UTC)

Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion and clearer consensus.
Relisting comment: Backed out WP:NAC per Wikipedia:Deletion review/Log/2017 September 15
Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks, -- RoySmith (talk) 18:55, 15 September 2017 (UTC)

Comment from deletion nominator Now that the page has been restored, I have more comments. In my view, the article still lacks notability and is in danger of reaching WP:BOMBARD, as the article section regarding the film's musical score contains citations more about the career of the score producer that of the movie itself. There remains no credible coverage of the film itslef, as the only citations that meet Wikipedia's criteria are about one actor in the film (who is the son of a famous comedian, as can be seen in the titles of the sources in question) or the film's score producer, not about the film itself. It is still to early to keep this as an article.--SamHolt6 (talk) 19:05, 15 September 2017 (UTC)

• Delete aside from the suspicious behavior of those in favor of keeping the article, there is no real evidence of notability. The plot section in particular in not written in an encyclopedic style at all. It appears that this article was created by someone with little to no knowledge of how Wikipedia works, perhaps with the motive of promoting the upcoming movie. Lepricavark (talk) 19:09, 15 September 2017 (UTC)
• Revised to DRAFTIFY per WP:NFF addressing not yet released films. ^{revised Alsee (talk) 01:31, 16 September 2017 (UTC)}

Keep, or if necessary draftify until the movie is released.

The multiple disruptive attempts to close this discussion were extremely unhelpful, and the IP supports were also unhelpful. However this is about sources, not the author. In addition to the sources in the article, I found a few more:

References

Given the difficulty of getting sources from a foreign language, and given that the film isn't even released yet, it seems to have received a credible amount of notice from various sources. Alsee (talk) 00:32, 16 September 2017 (UTC)

As before, the new sources cited do not (in my opinion) cover the subject in depth. The first source [1] is a press release, three sources report on the debut of Anbu (the son of Mayilsamy, a famous comedian) in acting, but do not cover the movie in depth, and the last source ([2]) is a link to a movie poster. Per WP:NFILM, none of these sources (and none of the previous ones) indicate the encyclopedic value of a future film.--SamHolt6 (talk) 01:18, 16 September 2017 (UTC)

Well, There seems to be few people who wants this page to be taken down for invalid reason. First of all to clear the doubts, am not the one who has created the page. I have added and modified the page with further information that I got. I hail from Chennai and I know about the movie progress and hence decided to contribute to this article. The movie is in final stages and nearing its release. Does it mean that unreleased movies are not subjected to appear in wikipedia? I have seen so many film pages with only few lines and have months to go for its release is running fine in wiki. I wonder why you guys are showing this much interest in deleting this upcoming film page! You can still find enough material online to cover on the film subject. Yes, there are not much of news or articles about the movie in depth but that doesn't mean that it should not be on wikipedia. I wish you people read more local cinema news so that it can be helpful in covering the topic on a wider range and contribute. Looking forward in approving the page. Cheers! 11:07, 16 September 2017 (UTC) — Preceding unsigned comment added by Mrgrockz (talk • contribs)

@Mrgrockz: Per [3], you are the creator of the article. This would normally not be of great concern, but in this case it is due to your attempt at a non-admin closure. As to your points, subjects without in-depth coverage fail Wikipedia's sourcing criteria (WP:VER) and as this is a film article it fails WP:NFILM. You stated that other editors should read more local cinema news, and while Wikipedia has no issue citing local news, editors have to keep WP:GEOSCOPE in mind and traditionally significant coverage must be found for a film at any rate. My views on this issue remain unchanged--SamHolt6 (talk) 15:43, 16 September 2017 (UTC)

Mrgrockz, the article will probably be moved to Draft:Thiripuram. Once the movie is released you can move the page back as an article, or ask for assistance at WP:Help desk. (Do not copy&paste the content as a new page.) You can update the page with new information while it is a draft, or any other time. Alsee (talk) 06:38, 17 September 2017 (UTC)

• Draftify - None of the coverage is substantial. That may change closer to the release date, or after its release. A few lines about this being the movie acting debut of the son of a famous person does not represent significant coverage. -- Whpq (talk) 00:05, 17 September 2017 (UTC)
• Keep This article needs more and better sourcing, not deletion. Bythebooklibrary (talk) 01:33, 18 September 2017 (UTC)
  • Indeed this article needs more and better sourcing but it does not appear to currently exist. And if it doesn't exist, then it doesn't meet notability. --Whpq (talk) 15:34, 18 September 2017 (UTC)
    • Agreed, there exist no sources with which to expand the article at the moment. Also, note that deleting (WP:TNT logic could be used as this is a short article) this article once does not preclude us from re-creating it once the movie has been released, assuming the film has longstanding impact per criteria.--SamHolt6 (talk) 15:40, 18 September 2017 (UTC)
• Delete wait 3 months, recreate. GNG TooSoon issues. L3X1 (distænt write) 01:43, 23 September 2017 (UTC)

The above discussion is preserved as an archive of the debate. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review). No further edits should be made to this page.