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Citation and Wording

I feel that the article as a whole requires more citations for certain statements, such as his contributions to proving the law of conservation of mass. Perhaps also there should be a direct citation for the description Lavoisier's system of chemical nomenclature. I'm sure there are other examples of this in the article that I have not mentioned as well.

Also, and this may just be me, but I think the wording used in the chemical revolution section feels somehow biased? It isn't really biased in any way as far as I know, but statements like how Lavoisier's oppositions lacked evidence against him and statements about how precise he was in his measurements feel as though they were made in support of Lavoisier rather than remaining neutral. I also think the phrase "Pioneer of Stoichiometry" shouldn't be used for similar reasons, at least as a title. Maybe "Invention of Stoichiometry" or "Research on Stoichiometry" would feel more neutral?

Gabrielle16 (talk) 17:46, 18 February 2022 (UTC)[reply]

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Change 55 elements to 33 as per the list here: https://archive.org/details/traitlmentairede01lavo/page/192/mode/2up

The book Creations of Fire (1995) by Cobb also says that Lavoisier only lists 33 elements. TurnerValley (talk) 21:18, 12 February 2023 (UTC)[reply]

Done and thanks for the source! That section is lacking in references. small jars tc 17:52, 18 February 2023 (UTC)[reply]

This needs more discussion; SmallJarsWithGreenLabels, you might want to undo pending consensus here. The list on p192 of that linked ref has many more than 33 entries. Are only some of them "elements"? Is there possibly a confusion between the modern definition of "element" and what that word was used to represent at that time? The subsequent sentence in our article likewise lists many more than 33 (and that longer list seems comparable to the linked ref), so it's a dual problem: it's not clear how the ref supports the claim, and it gave us two consecutive sentences that contradicted each other. Cobb's book (e-text ISBN 978-1-4899-2770-5, printed [ISBN 978-0-306-45087-7) is 475 pages; TurnerValley, could you be more speciifc with your citation of it? DMacks (talk) 18:05, 18 February 2023 (UTC)[reply]

this secondary source (just added) supports a figure of either 33 or 23 depending on the definition. 55 seems like the result of a typo. small jars tc 18:15, 18 February 2023 (UTC)[reply]

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please add his spouse to the infobox. His wife was really important in his life. Thank you for helping. Here is the line.

"|spouse = Marie-Anne Paulze Lavoisier" He King Hung (talk) 10:27, 13 April 2023 (UTC)[reply]

Not done, it is already there. --Mvqr (talk) 11:15, 13 April 2023 (UTC)[reply]

I'm sorry. Blind He King Hung (talk) 14:22, 13 April 2023 (UTC)[reply]

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The ISBN given for ref # 29 is not a valid ISBN. See https://isbnsearch.org/search?s=0582052940. Please remove the ISBN from the reference. Thank you. 76.14.122.5 (talk) 20:41, 1 December 2023 (UTC)[reply]

Done I've removed the whole source as I cannot find it. I suspect that the actual source is "Citizens: A Chronicle of the French Revolution", but I cannot access the book. Liu1126 (talk) 11:38, 4 December 2023 (UTC)[reply]

Done @Liu1126: that edit of yours doesn't appear to have happened? I'm not sure Citizens: A Chronicle of the French Revolution is the same thing. That is listed as a ref in the article, with an author of Simon Schama. The article has several other footnotes for Chronicle of the French Revolution (not Citizens:...) by Jacques Legrand with an ISBN 0582051940, one digit off-by-one. I will fix it. But we also do need a page-number, so I will tag it. Yay for checksum! Thanks for raising this concern, 76.14.122.5. DMacks (talk) 13:51, 4 December 2023 (UTC)[reply]

Well, as soon as the WP database error clears. DMacks (talk) 13:51, 4 December 2023 (UTC)[reply]

Probably another database error as I didn't check if the edit saved after making it. Been running into them all day for some reason. Liu1126 (talk) 13:54, 4 December 2023 (UTC)[reply]

Ok, it went through. The database error is known, they're working on it. DMacks (talk) 14:27, 4 December 2023 (UTC)[reply]

Doubt about the verbiage related to "reduction of calces"

"and the reduction of calces by inflammable air (a combination of gas from calx with oxygen to form water)". I assume that the gas from calx is oxygen, so this should be changed to "a combination of gas from calx with hydrogen to form water)". Can someone please confirm or refute this? Merlin.anthwares (talk) 11:21, 7 January 2025 (UTC)[reply]

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-Can anyone do something about the excess width of this page? I can't print it properly (unless I go to landscape mode) and this seems to be the only Wikipedia page like that. - [[User:64.26.98.90|64.26.98.90]] 15:51, 25 February 2002
+== Citation and Wording ==
-:Fixed --[[user:maveric149|maveric149]] 00:23, 1 March 2002
+I feel that the article as a whole requires more citations for certain statements, such as his contributions to proving the law of conservation of mass. Perhaps also there should be a direct citation for the description Lavoisier's system of chemical nomenclature. I'm sure there are other examples of this in the article that I have not mentioned as well.
-::Thanks. There turn out to be a few others like that but that one had been the most egregious. - [[User:64.26.98.90|64.26.98.90]] 07:42, 8 March 2002
+Also, and this may just be me, but I think the wording used in the chemical revolution section feels somehow biased? It isn't really biased in any way as far as I know, but statements like how Lavoisier's oppositions lacked evidence against him and statements about how precise he was in his measurements feel as though they were made in support of Lavoisier rather than remaining neutral. I also think the phrase "Pioneer of Stoichiometry" shouldn't be used for similar reasons, at least as a title. Maybe "Invention of Stoichiometry" or "Research on Stoichiometry" would feel more neutral?
-=="The Republic has no need of savants"==
+[[User:Gabrielle16|Gabrielle16]] ([[User talk:Gabrielle16|talk]]) 17:46, 18 February 2022 (UTC)
-Jean-Pierre Poirier (Lavoisier, Pygmalion, 1993) thinks this quotation is apocryphal.  Poirier also gives more detail about Mme Lavoisier's role as a scientific assistant and also how she may have contributed inadvertently to his execution by openly showing her contempt for the mistress of a high revolutionary official who could have pardoned him. <small>&mdash;''The preceding [[Wikipedia:Sign your posts on talk pages|unsigned]] comment was added by'' [[User:132.239.153.16|132.239.153.16]] ([[User talk:132.239.153.16|talk]]&nbsp;•&nbsp;[[Special:Contributions/132.239.153.16|contribs]]) 20 Dec 2005.</small><!--Inserted with Template:Unsigned-->
+== Semi-protected edit request on 12 February 2023 ==
-Madison Smartt Bell is professor of English and director of the Kratz Center for Creative Writing at Goucher College in Maryland. His most recent book is a nonfiction biography of pioneering chemist Antoine Lavoisier, Lavoisier in the Year One: The Birth of a New Science in an Age of Revolution (W. W. Norton, 2005).
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-=="Geology"==
+Change '''55''' elements to '''33''' as per the list here: https://archive.org/details/traitlmentairede01lavo/page/192/mode/2up
-I do know Lavoisier had some very important contributions to geology. Can anybody contribute to this article in regards to this - Dominic Hollands <small>—The preceding [[Wikipedia:Sign your posts on talk pages|unsigned]] comment was added by [[User:217.140.43.124|217.140.43.124]] ([[User talk:217.140.43.124|talk]] • [[Special:Contributions/217.140.43.124|contribs]]){{#if:15 December 2006|&#32;15 December 2006|}}.</small><!-- Template:Unsigned -->
+The book Creations of Fire (1995) by Cobb also says that Lavoisier only lists 33 elements. [[User:TurnerValley|TurnerValley]] ([[User talk:TurnerValley|talk]]) 21:18, 12 February 2023 (UTC)
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+:{{done}}<!-- Template:ESp --> and thanks for the source! That section is lacking in references. [[User:SmallJarsWithGreenLabels|small jars]] <small><code>[[User talk:SmallJarsWithGreenLabels|<b style="color:#270">t</b>]][[special:contributions/SmallJarsWithGreenLabels|<b style="color:#270">c</b>]]</code></small> 17:52, 18 February 2023 (UTC)
+::This needs more discussion; [[User:SmallJarsWithGreenLabels|SmallJarsWithGreenLabels]], you might want to undo pending consensus here. The list on p192 of that linked ref has many more than 33 entries. Are only some of them "elements"? Is there possibly a confusion between the modern definition of "element" and what that word was used to represent at that time? The subsequent sentence in our article likewise lists many more than 33 (and that longer list seems comparable to the linked ref), so it's a dual problem: it's not clear how the ref supports the claim, and it gave us two consecutive sentences that contradicted each other. Cobb's book (e-text {{ISBN|978-1-4899-2770-5}}, printed [{{ISBN|978-0-306-45087-7}}) is 475 pages; [[User:TurnerValley|TurnerValley]], could you be more speciifc with your citation of it?  [[User:DMacks|DMacks]] ([[User talk:DMacks|talk]]) 18:05, 18 February 2023 (UTC)
+:::[https://www.google.co.uk/books/edition/Inorganic_Chemistry/Mtth5g59dEIC?hl=en&gbpv=1&pg=PA17&printsec=frontcover this secondary source] (just added) supports a figure of either 33 or 23 depending on the definition. 55 seems like the result of a typo. [[User:SmallJarsWithGreenLabels|small jars]] <small><code>[[User talk:SmallJarsWithGreenLabels|<b style="color:#270">t</b>]][[special:contributions/SmallJarsWithGreenLabels|<b style="color:#270">c</b>]]</code></small> 18:15, 18 February 2023 (UTC)
+== Semi-protected edit request on 13 April 2023 ==
-:<math> L' = L (\frac{L}{3H} - H) </math>
+{{edit semi-protected|Antoine Lavoisier|answered=yes}}
-CORRECTION MADE!!!!!!!!!!
+please add his spouse to the infobox. His wife was really important in his life. Thank you for helping. Here is the line.
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+</nowiki> [[User:He King Hung|He King Hung]] ([[User talk:He King Hung|talk]]) 10:27, 13 April 2023 (UTC)
+:Not done, it is already there. --[[User:Mvqr|<span style="color: #8f8;background:#85b;border:1px solid #999">Mvqr</span>]] ([[User talk:Mvqr#top|talk]]) 11:15, 13 April 2023 (UTC)
+::I'm sorry. Blind [[User:He King Hung|He King Hung]] ([[User talk:He King Hung|talk]]) 14:22, 13 April 2023 (UTC)
+== Semi-protected edit request on 1 December 2023 ==
-== Besoin ==
+{{Edit semi-protected|Antoine Lavoisier|answered=yes}}
-Misleading/rhetorical - "The Republic has no need of scientists or chemists; the course of justice cannot be delayed."
+The ISBN given for ref # 29 is not a valid ISBN. See https://isbnsearch.org/search?s=0582052940. Please remove the ISBN from the reference. Thank you. [[Special:Contributions/76.14.122.5|76.14.122.5]] ([[User talk:76.14.122.5|talk]]) 20:41, 1 December 2023 (UTC)
+:{{done}}<!-- Template:ESp --> I've removed the whole source as I cannot find it. I suspect that the actual source is "Citizens: A Chronicle of the French Revolution", but I cannot access the book. [[User:Liu1126|Liu1126]] ([[User talk:Liu1126|talk]]) 11:38, 4 December 2023 (UTC)
+:{{done}} {{ping|Liu1126}} that edit of yours doesn't appear to have happened? I'm not sure ''[[Citizens: A Chronicle of the French Revolution]]'' is the same thing. That is listed as a ref in the article, with an author of Simon Schama. The article has several other footnotes for ''Chronicle of the French Revolution'' (not ''Citizens:...'') by Jacques Legrand with an ISBN 058205<u>1</u>940, one digit off-by-one. I will fix it. But we also do need a page-number, so I will tag it. Yay for [[checksum]]! Thanks for raising this concern, 76.14.122.5. [[User:DMacks|DMacks]] ([[User talk:DMacks|talk]]) 13:51, 4 December 2023 (UTC)
+::Well, as soon as the WP database error clears. [[User:DMacks|DMacks]] ([[User talk:DMacks|talk]]) 13:51, 4 December 2023 (UTC)
+::Probably another database error as I didn't check if the edit saved after making it. Been running into them all day for some reason. [[User:Liu1126|Liu1126]] ([[User talk:Liu1126|talk]]) 13:54, 4 December 2023 (UTC)
+::Ok, it went through. The database error is known, they're working on it. [[User:DMacks|DMacks]] ([[User talk:DMacks|talk]]) 14:27, 4 December 2023 (UTC)
+== Doubt about the verbiage related to "reduction of calces" ==
-This is a mistranslation of 'besoin' in a possessive sense, which can be interpretted as 'lack of', not 'need'. This greatly alters the connotation of the text.
+"and the reduction of calces by inflammable air (a combination of gas from calx with '''oxygen''' to form water)". I assume that the gas from calx is oxygen, so this should be changed to  "a combination of gas from calx with '''hydrogen''' to form water)". Can someone please confirm or refute this? [[User:Merlin.anthwares|Merlin.anthwares]] ([[User talk:Merlin.anthwares|talk]]) 11:21, 7 January 2025 (UTC)
-Furthermore, it is stated in the citation at the bottom that this phrase wast most likely never uttered (or in my understanding, a mistranslation at the very least). This however, is not mentioned in the body of the article. [[Special:Contributions/65.92.117.40|65.92.117.40]]([[User talk:65.92.117.40|talk]]) 23:18, 9 August 2016 (UTC)
-:This reference needs to be cleared up (misleading) to reflect a need (or lack of). This is simply a failure of a translation of the word 'besoin' in context. Check your dictionaries (don't rely on a single biased source/citation). The actual citation is of an English translation, and thus most likely politically motivated to discredit the revolution, on account of British support for the Divine Rights of Kings. [[Special:Contributions/70.49.90.159|70.49.90.159]] ([[User talk:70.49.90.159|talk]]) 13:01, 6 November 2016 (UTC)
-== French Revolution ==
-The article creates the incorrect impression that all of Lavoisier's scientific endeavour dated from before the Revolution.  In fact his work on the metric system was done for the Revolutionary government.  I have also removed the sentence 'As the French Revolution gained momentum from 1789 on, Lavoisier's world inexorably collapsed around him' as it is unsupported by references, and replaced it with a new article section on the French Revolution describing what he did during this period.
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-Lavoisier was called by the Academy, upon request of Louis Bourbon, along with Ben Franklin, then US diplomat in Paris, and another savant, to ascertain if [[Messmer]] [[Animal Magnetism]] was a true fact or a forgery. Their conclusion was in the line that 'Animal Magnetism' didn't exist. This investigation is considered by many as the first ever clinical study. [[User:Hijuecutivo|Hijuecutivo]] ([[User talk:Hijuecutivo|talk]]) 20:49, 14 August 2017 (UTC)
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