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Q1: Why is Alex Jones described as a far-right conspiracy theorist?

A1: The preponderance of reliable sources describes him as this.

"The case of Mr. Jones and Infowars is tricky for many politicians and figures on the right. While many dislike the idea of tech companies censoring political speech, and Infowars leans far right, Mr. Jones regularly spreads lies, conspiracy theories and inflammatory attacks against political enemies." ----The New York Times

"Kaiser, the Harvard researcher, said that Jones was a far-right 'beacon' -- a sort of gateway who could bring conservatives looking for right-wing media into the extreme fringes via YouTube's recommendations." --CNBC

"Twitter banned far-right conspiracy theorist Alex Jones and his website InfoWars from its platform Thursday afternoon" --CNN

"Twitter announced Thursday that it had banned the accounts of conspiracy theorist Alex Jones and his far-right media company Infowars" --NBC News

"Facebook today removed 22 pages associated with far-right conspiracy theorist Alex Jones" --The Verge

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Let's review, shall we?

Let's review for our newly-arrived Infowars/Newswars/Prison Planet minions, shall we? Alex Jones claims that the US government kidnaps children and makes them slaves at our martian colony, that kids are only pretending to get shot at school and their parents are only pretending to grieve, that Michelle Obama is really a man, that Carrie Fisher of Star Wars fame was killed to boost DVD sales, that the coming New World Order is a demonic high-tech tyranny formed by satanist elites who are using selective breeding to create a supreme race, that tap water is turning frogs gay, that Coronavirus is a hoax, that 5G networks create Coronavirus within human cells (no explanation about the conflict between those last two), that Temple of Baal arches will be erected in multiple cities around the world Real Soon Now, that the Democratic party runs a pedophile ring through pizza shops, that the US government commits acts of terrorism against its own citizens, that Barack Obama and Hillary Clinton are literally demons from hell, that the 2004 Indian Ocean earthquake and tsunami were a government plot, that Obama wanted to detonate a nuclear bomb in Charleston, South Carolina, that FEMA runs concentration camps, that the US is being invaded by South American walruses... Sounds legit to me! --Guy Macon (talk) 12:46, 21 September 2020 (UTC)[reply]

To be entirely correct, the frogs turning gay is (how funny it is) true.

But not tap water, a type of water with a specific chemical in it.

https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC2842049/

https://niche-canada.org/2020/06/09/chemical-castration-white-genocide-and-male-extinction-in-rhetoric-of-endocrine-disruption/

https://muse.jhu.edu/article/885705

https://news.berkeley.edu/2010/03/01/frogs

Frogs turning gay with a special type of water isn't as far out as you say it to be. (If there is any mention of this in the article I encourage an editor to edit this for misinformation.) 15038623asd (talk) 06:02, 18 December 2023 (UTC)[reply]

You have not read the article then? Slatersteven (talk) 12:11, 18 December 2023 (UTC)[reply]

I’m sorry, are you implying that “feminization of frogs” is the same as “turning frogs gay”? Smurr7 (talk) 06:34, 5 April 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Comments / questions

Q: Isn't Jones just an actor playing a role without actually believing all of that?

A: It doesn't matter. Millions of people read his webpage, some believe it, and a tiny percentage go to Wikipedia to set us straight. --Guy Macon (talk) 12:46, 21 September 2020 (UTC)[reply]

Q: Why doesn't this page cover the bit about gay frogs?

A: We only cover those things Alex Jones says that have significant coverage in reliable sources. --Guy Macon (talk) 12:46, 21 September 2020 (UTC)[reply]

Which has significant, reliable sources. More like youre cherry picking data to form a narrative. 86.27.243.15 (talk) 09:05, 15 February 2024 (UTC)[reply]

OK, so find some significant, reliable sources that cover this story. Slatersteven (talk) 11:03, 15 February 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Q: OK, all that other stuff is just silly, but the bit about South American walruses is real!

A: No it isn't. --Guy Macon (talk) 12:46, 21 September 2020 (UTC)[reply]

But the gay frogs is pretty funny, you have to admit. Guy (help! - typo?) 20:55, 10 October 2020 (UTC)[reply]

Here it is for anyone who has not experienced this special moment: [ https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3tVrntKgdN0 ]

It's like a turd sandwich with Wikipedia's Gay bomb page at the start, The Daily Mail[1] at the end, and Infowars in the middle! --Guy Macon (talk) 21:24, 10 October 2020 (UTC)[reply]

Guy Macon, https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dvf6gz58xnI Guy (help! - typo?) 21:40, 10 October 2020 (UTC)[reply]

@JzG and Guy Macon: On the subject of YouTube, we have a small bit about John Oliver's take on him with regard to his product shilling on-air, we do have some secondary sources, but would we want to have the primary source as well? [2] —Locke Cole • t • c 16:17, 6 August 2022 (UTC)[reply]

It's not possible to argue that the article is written from a neutral point of view. IndySteve (talk) 09:02, 19 July 2023 (UTC)[reply]

We go by what RS say. Slatersteven (talk) 11:03, 19 July 2023 (UTC)[reply]

Alex Jones Page

It says that Gary Allen wrote "None Dare Call it Treason." I believe this is incorrect. 2600:6C4E:7003:800:E4A6:8C73:655C:4FF2 (talk) 04:34, 25 February 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Huh? "Treason" isn't used anywhere in the article, but None Dare Call it Conspiracy is, and that book is definitely written by Allen. 9yz (talk) 09:11, 25 February 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Ambiguity

Is it just me or is this sentence confusingly ambiguous? "In January 2013, Jones was invited to speak on Piers Morgan's CNN show after promoting an online petition to deport Morgan because of his support of gun control." I presume it's Jones' support of gun control, not Morgan's?

Assuming I'm correct, I suggest "In January 2013, because of his support of gun control, Jones was invited to speak on Piers Morgan's CNN show after promoting an online petition to deport Morgan." --Annihilannic (talk) 02:21, 9 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Fixed in Special:Diff/1228047042. I've changed it to "In January 2013, Jones was invited to speak on Piers Morgan's CNN show after promoting an online petition to deport him for supporting gun control." The cited Christian Science Monitor article states: "Jones is a main supporter of a petition on the White House citizen input website that calls for the deportation of British citizen Morgan because of his continued calls for gun-control legislation." In contrast, the "Gun rights" section describes Jones as a "vocal gun rights advocate", which places Jones in opposition to gun control. — Newslinger talk 05:42, 9 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]

YOUR ARTICLE ABOUT ALEX JONES IS CRASSLY BIASED AGAINST THAT PERSON AND VERY OBVIOUSLY WRITTEN FROM THE EXTREME-LEFT POLITICAL VIEWPOINT. EVERYONE ALREADY KNOWS THE TRUTH ABOUT LEFT-WING FAKE NEWS AND THE CONSTANT ATTEMPTS BY EXTREME-LEFT POLITICAL GROUPS TO MISLABEL ANYONE WHO OPPOSES THEM. THE SIGHT OF SUCH FALSEHOODS HERE TELLS US THAT WIKIPEDIA IS AN EXTREME-LEFT-WING POLITICAL ORGANIZATION. I KNOW YOU ARE BASED IN EXTREME-FAR-OUT-LUNATIC-LEFT SAN FRANCISCO -- BUT THAT IS NO EXCUSE FOR ALLOWING A POLITICAL SMEAR CAMPAIGN ON YOUR PAGES.

PLEASE EDIT THE ARTICLE ABOUT ALEX JONES UNTIL IT IS NEUTRAL AND NON-POLITICAL. YES YOU CAN REPORT ABOUT POLITICS WITHOUT BEING POLITICAL. T1R2U3T4H (talk) 06:44, 27 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Not done Shouting nonsense, no implementable changes suggested. Theroadislong (talk) 06:49, 27 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]

lol 47.188.229.214 (talk) 02:31, 31 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]

You actually have to tell us what to change, as in "!C Hange chees to milk", not make vague assertions. Slatersteven (talk) 10:08, 31 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]

The main problem with this page is that Alex Jone's criticisms are simplified and dumbed down. Robbie Parker was not mentioned at all, even though Alex Jones mentioned he was laughing before and was clearly reciting a script. 2D Is Better Than 3D (talk) 07:01, 12 August 2024 (UTC)[reply]

He's not wrong though, wikipedia kind of has a monopoly over cheap information. 2D Is Better Than 3D (talk) 07:07, 12 August 2024 (UTC)[reply]