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== More on Accusations of Plagiarism ==


== The boarder ==
Wikipedia contributers keep changing the "Accusation of Plagiarism" subsection to give the reader the impression that the allegations are disputed when in fact there really isn't any debate about whether Monica Crowley plagiarized. The Wall Street Journal printed an apology. That should be sufficient evidence. In addition, the people editing this section keep inserting text defending Crowley's use of the phrase "with credit", which suggests that this is the only example of plagiarism in her article. It's not. There are numerous examples, many of which are shown on this very discussion page. Finally, whoever is making the changes has a chatty and sometimes incoherent writing style that does not adhere to the stylistic guidelines of Wikipedia.


You can close the boarder by using omg shipping containers there thousand of them in Texas. You stack them three high then you build another wall for the boarder patrol to walk on and keep the walls 8 feet apart. [[Special:Contributions/2600:100F:A103:C9B1:DCEC:E33C:59EB:4EA2|2600:100F:A103:C9B1:DCEC:E33C:59EB:4EA2]] ([[User talk:2600:100F:A103:C9B1:DCEC:E33C:59EB:4EA2|talk]]) 16:52, 1 May 2022 (UTC)
I think it would be worthwhile to block these people from editing the page or to prohibit further edits to the page for a few weeks.
[[Special:Contributions/71.237.179.8|71.237.179.8]] ([[User talk:71.237.179.8|talk]]) 20:36, 8 April 2008 (UTC)


== Redundant Statements==
I've fixed the plagiarism section (someone vandalized it again), and put in a request for temporary protection. [[User:Mkblackstone|Mkblackstone]] ([[User talk:Mkblackstone|talk]]) 03:59, 6 May 2008 (UTC)


What is the reason to have things like, "There were "localized instances of plagiarism" in her dissertation at Columbia that Columbia concluded did not meet the level of "research misconduct"." in two sections of the article? According to Wikipedia rules for brevity, "Focusing on the most important information and avoiding redundancy" information should only appear once.[[Special:Contributions/2603:8080:3EF0:7930:C579:592C:6E23:DB9E|2603:8080:3EF0:7930:C579:592C:6E23:DB9E]] ([[User talk:2603:8080:3EF0:7930:C579:592C:6E23:DB9E|talk]]) 01:00, 5 December 2024 (UTC)
:::Chatty and incoherent writing style? It's probably Monica herself! <small>—Preceding [[Wikipedia:Signatures|unsigned]] comment added by [[Special:Contributions/24.114.255.83|24.114.255.83]] ([[User talk:24.114.255.83|talk]]) 20:21, 5 August 2008 (UTC)</small><!-- Template:UnsignedIP --> <!--Autosigned by SineBot-->

The impression given is that Ms Crawley was charged, sued and convicted in court. She was not. Plus the Article was not an exact copy and it was so short I challenge anybody to write one that addresses the same issues that were addressed in the article. The Daily Kos a hateful blog that targets GOP writers and often posts half truths. They do not have balance there. <span style="font-size: smaller;" class="autosigned">— Preceding [[Wikipedia:Signatures|unsigned]] comment added by [[Special:Contributions/50.152.200.80|50.152.200.80]] ([[User talk:50.152.200.80|talk]]) 00:50, 21 May 2014 (UTC)</span><!-- Template:Unsigned IP --> <!--Autosigned by SineBot-->
: Every word of that is false. -- [[User:Jibal|Jibal]] ([[User talk:Jibal|talk]]) 04:24, 13 February 2017 (UTC)

I have been reading college students papers for 30 years. The plagiarism from her book is the worst i have ever seen. if you want to see a summary take a look here:

http://money.cnn.com/interactive/news/kfile-trump-monica-crowley-plagiarized-multiple-sources-2012-book/[[User:Pmchaffie|Pmchaffie]] ([[User talk:Pmchaffie|talk]]) 04:18, 8 January 2017 (UTC)

== Running for Senate? ==

On The Mclaughlin Group (1/2/09) the panelists were asked as their last question what was their New Year's resolution. Crowley stated that she wanted to "throw [her] hat into the New York Senate race". I am going to include this in the article if there are no objections. If there is you all can edit or do what you want with it. Here's the link Im going to use to reference it http://www.mclaughlin.com/library/transcript.htm?id=699.
:Her statement is way towards the bottom. <span style="font-size: smaller;" class="autosigned">—Preceding [[Wikipedia:Signatures|unsigned]] comment added by [[Special:Contributions/76.31.242.174|76.31.242.174]] ([[User talk:76.31.242.174|talk]]) 20:43, 10 January 2009 (UTC)</span><!-- Template:UnsignedIP --> <!--Autosigned by SineBot-->
::I watched that particular show and she was being facetious, kind of a backhand dig at Obama's lack of experience (and Hillary's, too). I'll 86 that entire section if no one minds. [[User:Kidshare|Kidshare]] ([[User talk:Kidshare|talk]]) 19:16, 18 January 2009 (UTC)

So you think she was just foolin. Thats sounds about right since I haven't heard anything else about it. What section are you refering to when you say you want to 86 it? There are no sections in the main article talking about it. <span style="font-size: smaller;" class="autosigned">—Preceding [[Wikipedia:Signatures|unsigned]] comment added by [[Special:Contributions/76.31.242.174|76.31.242.174]] ([[User talk:76.31.242.174|talk]]) 21:56, 26 January 2009 (UTC)</span><!-- Template:UnsignedIP --> <!--Autosigned by SineBot-->

== Deleted "Obama" section in Controversies ==

I deleted the entire run-on sentence, mainly because I listen to Limbaugh and Hannity every day and they criticize Obama every day, so what if Monica Crowley does so. Not to mention the fact that Keith Olbermann has been unquotable since he left sports. Wow, this article is getting short and sweet, isn't it? [[User:Kidshare|Kidshare]] ([[User talk:Kidshare|talk]]) 18:58, 21 January 2009 (UTC)

: You wear your political agenda on your sleeve. Please leave the editing to those capable of neutrality. -- [[User:Jibal|Jibal]] ([[User talk:Jibal|talk]]) 04:27, 13 February 2017 (UTC)

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I copied most of what you removed and added it back. The reference material has more citations than a doctoral paper. If you have a problem with the wording, bias, or factual nature of the content, have at it. Otherwise, go enjoy your television shows and leave your partisan edits out of the wiki.
[[Special:Contributions/24.57.54.1|24.57.54.1]] ([[User talk:24.57.54.1|talk]]) 03:12, 24 March 2009 (UTC)

== 2017 plagiarism allegation ==

CNN have just emailed '[http://money.cnn.com/interactive/news/kfile-trump-monica-crowley-plagiarized-multiple-sources-2012-book/ breaking news]' that Crowley's 2012 book plagiarised 50 sources, including Wikipedia. <span class="vcard"><span class="fn">[[User:Pigsonthewing|Andy Mabbett]]</span> (<span class="nickname">Pigsonthewing</span>); [[User talk:Pigsonthewing|Talk to Andy]]; [[Special:Contributions/Pigsonthewing|Andy's edits]]</span> 21:25, 7 January 2017 (UTC)

This allegation of plagiarism is just that, an allegation, and s/n be represented as true fact in WP's voice, especially this is a BLP. [[User:Ihardlythinkso|IHTS]] ([[User talk:Ihardlythinkso#top|talk]]) 05:11, 8 January 2017 (UTC)
:It's more than "just" an allegation. It's an allegation supported by facts, in this case a comparison between the text of the unattributed sources and the text of the Crowley's book. It's also an allegation that has been reported by multiple [[WP:RS]], such as Politico. It should be included in the entry according to [[WP:WEIGHT]] "in proportion to the prominence of each viewpoint in the published, reliable sources." --[[User:Nbauman|Nbauman]] ([[User talk:Nbauman|talk]]) 16:22, 8 January 2017 (UTC)
:''This allegation of plagiarism is just that, an allegation'' -- Blatantly false. The allegation is based on ''evidence''.
:''and s/n be represented as true fact in WP's voice'' -- that's not how WP works. It doesn't offer "true facts", nor does it have a "voice". Statements appearing in WP articles are ''sourced''. It is not the job of editors to make an independent assessment of whether the claims in reliable sources are true. -- [[User:Jibal|Jibal]] ([[User talk:Jibal|talk]]) 04:51, 13 February 2017 (UTC)

And now we have very strong evidence [http://www.politico.com/magazine/story/2017/01/monica-crowley-plagiarism-phd-dissertation-columbia-214612/ she plagiarized frequently in her PhD dissertation]. Will probably have to change the education section to reflect that. <!-- Template:Unsigned IP --><small class="autosigned">—&nbsp;Preceding [[Wikipedia:Signatures|unsigned]] comment added by [[Special:Contributions/73.220.41.77|73.220.41.77]] ([[User talk:73.220.41.77#top|talk]]) 06:04, 10 January 2017 (UTC)</small> <!--Autosigned by SineBot-->

More new evidence: Her publisher has yanked her book. A Trump transition spokesperson had previously cited the publication of the book by HarperCollins as evidence in Crowley's favor, so this is significant. It's now noted in the body of the article but should be in the introductory section where the allegations are noted. [[User:JamesMLane|JamesMLane]]<small>&nbsp;[[User_talk:JamesMLane|t]]&nbsp;[[Special:Contributions/JamesMLane|c]]</small> 17:39, 11 January 2017 (UTC)

== BLF Deletion of possibly defamatory content ==

I deleted the allegations of plagiarism as controversial and possibly defamatory about a living person. ([[User:PeacePeace|PeacePeace]] ([[User talk:PeacePeace|talk]]) 04:28, 13 September 2017 (UTC))
: The content is reliably sourced. There's no RS reporting that conflicts with the RS used in this article as far as I'm aware. [[User:Snooganssnoogans|Snooganssnoogans]] ([[User talk:Snooganssnoogans|talk]]) 23:03, 30 January 2018 (UTC)

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The boarder

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You can close the boarder by using omg shipping containers there thousand of them in Texas. You stack them three high then you build another wall for the boarder patrol to walk on and keep the walls 8 feet apart. 2600:100F:A103:C9B1:DCEC:E33C:59EB:4EA2 (talk) 16:52, 1 May 2022 (UTC)[reply]

Redundant Statements

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What is the reason to have things like, "There were "localized instances of plagiarism" in her dissertation at Columbia that Columbia concluded did not meet the level of "research misconduct"." in two sections of the article? According to Wikipedia rules for brevity, "Focusing on the most important information and avoiding redundancy" information should only appear once.2603:8080:3EF0:7930:C579:592C:6E23:DB9E (talk) 01:00, 5 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]