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=='one of the best' vs. 'the best'== |
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The article originally lists Ronaldo as 'one of the greatest of all time', while Messi's article lists him as 'the greatest of all time', despite the pair being heated career rivals. The pair share many of the same awards and trophies, with the amount being hotly contested every year. Ronaldo's article also provides a multitude of references from journalists, pundits, and peers that also consider him as the greatest of all time. It seems quite opinionated to not list them as the same. ```[[User: PsychopathicAssassin|'''<em style="font-family:Bradley Hand ITC;color:black">PsychopathicAssassin</em>''']]<small>[[User talk:PsychopathicAssassin|'''<em style="font-family:Bradley Hand ITC;color:black"></em>''']]</small> 17:03, 18 February 2018 (UTC) |
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Exactly! but don't expect much from this editors, because they prefer the page to reflect their own opinions, while ignoring countless of opinions all around. <!-- Template:Unsigned IP --><small class="autosigned">— Preceding [[Wikipedia:Signatures|unsigned]] comment added by [[Special:Contributions/84.111.233.230|84.111.233.230]] ([[User talk:84.111.233.230#top|talk]]) 03:45, 28 February 2018 (UTC)</small> <!--Autosigned by SineBot--> |
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Good job editors. Cristiano Ronaldo is also widely considered as the greatest of all time, and the edit obviously was needed to be made(sorry if my English lacks). |
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EDIT: I guess some Messi fan didn't like the edit (Swig8998), and decided to change it back. Wikipedia has proven to be a joke - every day someone else comes, and does whatever he wants with NO EXPLANATION (???) |
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u can edit and say - "one of the best", but it doesn't change THE FACT that Cristiano Ronaldo is in fact widely considered as the best of all time, it only makes Wikipedia look bad, and amateur! good job Messi fan (Swig8998). <!-- Template:Unsigned IP --><small class="autosigned">— Preceding [[Wikipedia:Signatures|unsigned]] comment added by [[Special:Contributions/84.111.233.230|84.111.233.230]] ([[User talk:84.111.233.230#top|talk]]) 04:01, 8 March 2018 (UTC)</small> <!--Autosigned by SineBot--> |
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::To state someone is “widely considered to be the best” would need to be backed up by sources that match such a claim. A former teammate, manager or a half dozen pundits stating he is is not “widely considered”. Messi is different in that there is a plethora of sources that claim he is the greatest. [[User:Tellso HL|Tellso HL]] ([[User talk:Tellso HL|talk]]) 19:17, 10 March 2018 (UTC) |
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It's like kindergarten here, everyone comes and do whatever he wants. Ronaldo is widely considered to be the greatest, it's obvious to so many people that every couple of days another one come and change it back to "considered the best", and a lot asked before here on talk page. a lot of people hate Ronaldo personally (like they know him in person lol), and get angry seeing the edit, then come and change it cause they personally don't agree and everyone with a 4 day old account can edit as he please, so Wikipedia don't reflect reality as it supposed to do. there are way more than enough sources to make the claim, and people brought up tens of them earlier and got ignored by editors who just don't agree, and don't care if there are countless millions of people that as a FACT - thinking Ronaldo is the best player of all time. I give up at this point, since the whole edit manage system here is hilariously unprofessional. another Messi fan/Ronaldo hater (Tellso HL) takes control of Ronaldo's page like it's his personal page - what a joke. <!-- Template:Unsigned IP --><small class="autosigned">— Preceding [[Wikipedia:Signatures|unsigned]] comment added by [[Special:Contributions/84.111.233.230|84.111.233.230]] ([[User talk:84.111.233.230#top|talk]]) 19:27, 10 March 2018 (UTC)</small> <!--Autosigned by SineBot--> |
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::If it’s “obvious” that he’s “widely” considered the best then source it, and not base it on the view of just a couple of teammates, his former manager, and a couple of pundits. The Messi article has a wikiquote page littered with views that say he’s the greatest, and not just a half dozen views. “Some” do think Cristiano is the greatest, but then that would need specified. For me, Cristiano isn’t the best Ronaldo, that mantle belongs to [[Ronaldo (Brazilian footballer)|the Brazilian]]. [[User:Tellso HL|Tellso HL]] ([[User talk:Tellso HL|talk]]) 18:15, 11 March 2018 (UTC) |
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:::Both athletes are consistently compared to one another, with only specific, personal choices ruling you in favor of each individual. However, the fact that they are compared to one another consistently, share an incredibly similar career trajectory (in terms of trophies/personal accolades won), and have many people believe they are the best ever to play, This sentiment has to be translated to their articles. Wikipedia is a neutral source, and must be showcased as one. [[User:PsychopathicAssassin|PsychopathicAssassin]] ([[User talk:PsychopathicAssassin|talk]]) 08:58, 21 March 2018 (UTC) |
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::::They are indeed often compared to each other, but that alone doesn’t mean equivalence, neither does five world player of the year awards each. The way it is currently written—“one of”–I think is inaccurate as '''some''' do think Cristiano is “the” best, so “one of” underplays it, but “widely regarded as the best” would also be inaccurate as he isn’t. How do you word “some” though?, would you have to specify who they are? Or perhaps we could put a reference next to the word some which when clicked on would show the half dozen or so that think he is. Messi’s claim as the greatest is a very common view among a wide variety of people in the game–and not just biased teammates, former coaches of his etc. To use a music comparison, Messi is to The Beatles what Ronaldo is to The Stones, one is just more critically acclaimed than the other, with Messi ranking higher in most people lists as evidenced by the volume of sources. [[User:Tellso HL|Tellso HL]] ([[User talk:Tellso HL|talk]]) 15:50, 21 March 2018 (UTC) |
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:::::Comparisons are often the underlying standard bearer when discussing equivalence. Ronaldo's article, however, differs from Messi's as it does provide references from a plethora of sources, with opinions from journalists, fans, peers, and coaches, to support that claim. It would be correct in saying those four distinct groups of the footballing community stretches far and wide, and constitutes enough support in order for Ronaldo to be considered “the best”. It is not incorrect in saying that many people, worldwide, in those four categories, consider Ronaldo “the best”. To also use a musical comparison, Messi is to 2Pac what Ronaldo is to The Notorious B.I.G., with rankings higher dependent on personal preference, but both are accepted as the greatest. Whatever your preference may be, Wikipedia is a neutral platform, and must be presented as one. Their article openings must be equal. [[User:PsychopathicAssassin|PsychopathicAssassin]] ([[User talk:PsychopathicAssassin|talk]]) 17:54, 21 March 2018 (UTC) |
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::::::First off, cease edit warring and vandalizing the article. Content doesn’t change until any consensus is reached. Everything you have just stated is your own opinion, including the statement my “preference”. I’ve requested sources to back up your claim, none have been forthcoming. I’ve checked–I presume you have also–there isn’t the plethora of sources to back up any claim of “widely considered the greatest”, hence he isn’t. [[User:Tellso HL|Tellso HL]] ([[User talk:Tellso HL|talk]]) 18:48, 21 March 2018 (UTC) |
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:::::::Everything I have stated lacks any opinion. I didn't imply or detail any “preference” from you or myself, but conversely, you have implied yours in the closing end of your argument. What I have done is detail what the core principle of Wikipedia is - a neutral encyclopedia. The sources you have also requested can be easily accessed on the article. [[User:PsychopathicAssassin|PsychopathicAssassin]] ([[User talk:PsychopathicAssassin|talk]]) 19:52, 21 March 2018 (UTC) |
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::::::::You are putting forward your own belief as opposed to putting forward anything backed up by sources. If a multitude of sources back up the claim that “Cristiano is widely regarded as the greatest”, that’s fine whether I agree with it or not. My personal viewpoint–I’ve stated above he’s not the best Ronaldo, that mantle belongs to the Brazilian–is irrelevant. I’ve looked for such evidence myself, and it isn’t there. I do think “one of” is inaccurate though as I also stated previously. I’d change it to some, and source that. [[User:Tellso HL|Tellso HL]] ([[User talk:Tellso HL|talk]]) 16:52, 22 March 2018 (UTC) |
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:::::::::Again, my belief has not been proposed, nor indicated. Again, sources can easily be accessed on the article itself, a multitude of which back up the claim that “Cristiano is widely regarded as the greatest”. I also agree that all personal viewpoints are irrelevant when contributing to a neutral encyclopedia, and I refrain from stating mine. The edits I have proposed work to detail a widely accepted view of the player, not one influenced by any personal opinion. [[User:PsychopathicAssassin|PsychopathicAssassin]] ([[User talk:PsychopathicAssassin|talk]]) 16:59, 22 March 2018 (UTC) |
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::::::::::Have you even bothered to look at the sources in the article? What, his former coach Jose Mourinho? his current coach Zinedine Zidane? his agent Jorge Mendes? Two current teammates and two former teammates? A Four Four Two magazine article that has him at #5 all time? An article that says he should be in the debate among the greatest? And this constitutes “widely regarded as the greatest”? Give me a break. [[User:Tellso HL|Tellso HL]] ([[User talk:Tellso HL|talk]]) 17:10, 22 March 2018 (UTC) |
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:::::::::::The sources in the article all represent the four pillars of the footballing community. Coaches, peers, journalists, and fans, all with a degree of respectability, in agreement of the same opinion on Ronaldo's standing within the game. It is quite evident, regardless of your personal opinion of the sources, that the sentiment from the community must be reflected onto the Wikipedia article. [[User:PsychopathicAssassin|PsychopathicAssassin]] ([[User talk:PsychopathicAssassin|talk]]) 22:45, 22 March 2018 (UTC) |
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::::::::::::First source in article says [https://www.fourfourtwo.com/features/fourfourtwos-100-greatest-footballers-ever-no5-cristiano-ronaldo Cristiano is the fifth best player], so he is the 5th best then?. As for his agent, he’s not going to say my client–who earns me a shed load of money–is not quite as good as x now is he? His former coach, current coach, two current/former teammates, also carry inherent bias. Even if they weren’t biased and we take what they say at face value, that’s a very small number of people. Nothing validates your personal claim he’s widely considered the greatest. [[User:Tellso HL|Tellso HL]] ([[User talk:Tellso HL|talk]]) 11:47, 23 March 2018 (UTC) |
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Clutching at straws, really. Ronaldo isn’t widely perceived as the best ever—of course, his agent would beg to differ. Tellso HL is right, it’s a small amount of people. The difference between asserting Messi is the best ever and Ronaldo being the best ever, is with Messi the citations are there; whereas, Ronaldo has had, at the most, FIVE citations saying he’s the best or close to it. [[User:Swig8998|Swig8998]] ([[User talk:Swig8998|talk]]) 15:28, 25 March 2018 (UTC) |
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Plus, there’s a strong argument that Ronaldo isn’t even the best player of his generation. So what makes you guys think he’s got a solid argument for being the best ever? Please. [[User:Swig8998|Swig8998]] ([[User talk:Swig8998|talk]]) 15:32, 25 March 2018 (UTC) |
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@[[User:Swig8998|Swig8998]] Wikipedia isn't a platform to list citations, but there are many neutral sources on the article that does support the argument for Ronaldo being the considered the greatest player in history. Hell, the mere edit war being conducted on this matter support that claim. However, as you and @[[User:Tellso HL|Tellso HL]] have requested additional sources (free from "bias"), here are a few: |
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<ref>http://www.goal.com/euro2016/en/article/no-more-arguments-if-ronaldo-wins-euro-2016-hes-had-a-better-career-than-messi/1ahg7e3z31tsu182uubuptkn8c</ref> |
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Hello. Ronaldo has won 34 trophies and not 32 as mentioned in the article. The uncounted trophies are the FA Community Shield 2008 and the UEFA Super Cup 2016. Although Ronaldo did not play both games the titles must be added as he was part of the team squad, in addition to being collective awards. Enclosed references: |
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* https://bolavip.com/en/soccer/how-many-trophies-does-cristiano-ronaldo-have-20210519-0016.html |
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* https://www.thesun.co.uk/sport/football/15015609/cristiano-ronaldo-trophy-haul-juventus-coppa-italia/amp/ |
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* https://www.goal.com/en-my/lists/dani-alves-messi-ronaldo-most-trophies-club-international/1swzuj5bj0aje1f2af2vvne0zc |
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<ref>https://www.express.co.uk/sport/football/815554/Cristiano-Ronaldo-greatest-footballer-Pele-Lionel-Messi-Maradona-George-Best-Johan-Cruyff</ref> |
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<ref>http://www.dailymail.co.uk/sport/football/article-3678723/Cristiano-Ronaldo-dragged-Portugal-Euro-2016-final-winning-trophy-greatest-achievement-ultimate-one-Lionel-Messi.html</ref> |
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<ref>http://www.goal.com/en-in/news/cristiano-ronaldo-above-lionel-messi-real-madrid-great/xswe3yw9levc1kdo3zdn2rney</ref> |
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```[[User: PsychopathicAssassin|'''<em style="font-family:Bradley Hand ITC;color:black">PsychopathicAssassin</em>''']]<small>[[User talk:PsychopathicAssassin|'''<em style="font-family:Bradley Hand ITC;color:black"></em>''']]</small> 17:03, 26 February 2018 (UTC) |
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:Responding to the above post by [[User: PsychopathicAssassin|'''<em style="font-family:Bradley Hand ITC;color:black">PsychopathicAssassin</em>''']]<small>[[User talk:PsychopathicAssassin|'''<em style="font-family:Bradley Hand ITC;color:black"></em>''']]</small> (you didn’t sign your post so I’d added your username). First off, your sources are terrible. Goal.com, tabloids Daily Express and Daily Mail, and a blog (which also doesn’t state he’s the best btw). Besides that thank you for confirming my point. In your Daily Express source, it states [https://www.express.co.uk/sport/football/815554/Cristiano-Ronaldo-greatest-footballer-Pele-Lionel-Messi-Maradona-George-Best-Johan-Cruyff “There aren’t too many around who can say with conviction that Cristiano Ronaldo is the best player ever. Except me, that is.”]. A journalist going against the grain, against the commonly held view. Precisely. It is not a widely held view he is the best. Indeed, as I said above, '''some''' do think he’s the best. Yes it’s not a common view, but some do think it. The first source on this very article has him as the '''fifth best player''', and YET, still, [https://www.fourfourtwo.com/features/fourfourtwos-100-greatest-footballers-ever-no5-cristiano-ronaldo despite this fact], a Wikipedia contributor tried to have him written as “widely regarded as the best” in the sentence that precedes it. Utter nonsense. The content should be verified by the sources not be contradicted by them. [[User:Tellso HL|Tellso HL]] ([[User talk:Tellso HL|talk]]) 16:52, 27 March 2018 (UTC) |
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::I don't think either, him or Messi, are the greatest of all time. But i do think both articles should have the same lead. That means, that they are viewed by some as one of the best of all time. [[User:Kante4|Kante4]] ([[User talk:Kante4|talk]]) 17:01, 27 March 2018 (UTC) |
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:::’One of’ the best is clearly inaccurate as they are in the debate as the greatest of all time. The problem with making their claim exactly the same is it doesn’t match the commonly held view. To make them equal on here isn’t being neutral (while it may seem as though it is), it’s not reflecting the world outside Wikipedia. Who garners more acclaim The Beatles or The Stones? It isn’t parity, likewise it isn’t with Messi and Cristiano Ronaldo. If 100 people say one is the best, and six say the other is, we don’t then give both the same standing. The journalist linked above stated his view on Cristiano being the best is not a common one (“there aren’t too many”), it’s a minority view. The views on Messi are widespread. [[User:Tellso HL|Tellso HL]] ([[User talk:Tellso HL|talk]]) 17:13, 27 March 2018 (UTC) |
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Get a life already Tellso HL - there are several sources claiming Ronaldo as the greatest, but u decided to completely ignore them and only talk about sources who claims he is "one of" because it's convenient to you but u don't fool nobody. Messi, Maradona, and Pele also have sources claiming they are just "one of", but those sources are clearly not the point |
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- the point are the sources claiming the player as the greatest + millions over millions fans around the world claiming it as well = "regarded |
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By many as the greatest". Ronaldo has the legitimate sources and millions of fans claiming he's the greatest, and Wikipedia just can't ignore those facts. End of story! <!-- Template:Unsigned --><small class="autosigned">— Preceding [[Wikipedia:Signatures|unsigned]] comment added by [[User:Es031989|Es031989]] ([[User talk:Es031989#top|talk]] • [[Special:Contributions/Es031989|contribs]]) 09:48, 31 March 2018 (UTC)</small> |
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Please edit it,.as greatest of all time. |
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[[User:Sylvester17|Sylvester17]] ([[User talk:Sylvester17|talk]]) 21:49, 18 March 2018 (UTC) |
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:{{Done}}. [[User:Kante4|Kante4]] ([[User talk:Kante4|talk]]) 08:51, 19 March 2018 (UTC) |
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Picking the right lead image has proven out to be a tough nut to crack. Therefore, I'm initiating a discussion in order to reach consensus. Here are some pictures we should discuss using for Ronaldo:<!--in chronological order--> |
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::Number three, and there should be very little doubt about it. All of the others are poor choices for an infobox image -- in particular number two and four. An infobox image should preferably contain some form of a portrait, with the individual's head horizontally angled, and ideally geared toward the viewer. [http://dabancada.com/wp-content/uploads/2016/10/cr7.jpg This] and [https://static.independent.co.uk/s3fs-public/thumbnails/image/2015/11/24/08/cristiano-ronaldo-getty.jpg this] are other good options. [[User:Reberp|Reberp]] ([[User talk:Reberp|talk]]) 07:06, 23 March 2018 (UTC) |
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:::[[User:Reberp|Reberp]], I really like the two options you provided, ([http://dabancada.com/wp-content/uploads/2016/10/cr7.jpg] and [https://static.independent.co.uk/s3fs-public/thumbnails/image/2015/11/24/08/cristiano-ronaldo-getty.jpg]), but I think the second one you provided is better because it is brighter, but you also have to make sure they are free to use. [[User:Matthewishere0|Matthewishere0]] ([[User talk:Matthewishere0|talk]]) 14:57, 24 March 2018 (UTC) |
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::::Neither of those can be used, they're not free. The best of the four options proposed above is the first one as it best fits the criteria of what an infobox image should be and best represents what Ronaldo looks like now (the third is fine, but he doesn't have a shaved head any more). – [[User:PeeJay2K3|Pee]][[User talk:PeeJay2K3|Jay]] 18:39, 24 March 2018 (UTC) |
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::::In my opinion, something like hairstyle is relatively ephemeral. Especially since he's been donning [https://images0.minutemediacdn.com/production/912x516/5ab5e526197e8aa57f000001.jpg messier and curlier blonde highlights] for some time now. [[User:Hurrygane|Hurrygane]] ([[User talk:Hurrygane|talk]]) 17:12, 25 March 2018 (UTC) |
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:::::Number one is my choice aswell. [[User:Kante4|Kante4]] ([[User talk:Kante4|talk]]) 18:44, 24 March 2018 (UTC) |
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::::::I'd choose number three due to its recency (2017 > 2015) and seemingly higher [[Optical resolution|resolution]]/[[acutance]]. [[User:Hurrygane|Hurrygane]] ([[User talk:Hurrygane|talk]]) 16:55, 25 March 2018 (UTC) |
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:::::::Agreed with {{ping|Hurrygane}}. When it comes to images, the more recent it is, the better. Majority of our readers will remember the image of Cristiano Ronaldo on the field in 2017 rather then the one in 2015 or earlier. On the other hand, as new images will be put out (for 2019 or 2020 games), we will need to come here and discuss the same thing all over again.--[[User:Biografer|Biografer]] ([[User talk:Biografer|talk]]) 17:21, 25 March 2018 (UTC) |
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::::::::Whichever one we pick, both should go in the article somewhere and neither should be replaced for the other on a whim, lest we descend into another edit war. – [[User:PeeJay2K3|Pee]][[User talk:PeeJay2K3|Jay]] 07:22, 26 March 2018 (UTC) |
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== This bias toward Ronaldo is getting tiresome and must end == |
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Calling for an end to the blatant bias toward Ronaldo by two editors inserting material that is not only not backed up by sources, it contradicts it. First example of bias: ''Revision at 08:54, 28 March 2018 by'' [[User: PsychopathicAssassin|'''<em style="font-family:Bradley Hand ITC;color:black">PsychopathicAssassin</em>''']]<small>[[User talk:PsychopathicAssassin|'''<em style="font-family:Bradley Hand ITC;color:black"></em>''']]</small> wrote, ..“After winning his first Ballon d'Or by a record-high vote count at age 23, the public debate regarding his qualities as a player moved beyond his status in contemporary football to the possibility that he was the greatest player in history.” ...and the source he used for this sentence of his?... '''[http://www.ibtimes.com/top-50-greatest-footballers-all-time-pele-maradona-messi-ronaldo-included-best-soccer-1624974 this, that has Ronaldo ranked as the seventh best player]'''. Source contradicting his edit. Next example of bias: The first source in the article has Cristiano as the '''[https://www.fourfourtwo.com/features/fourfourtwos-100-greatest-footballers-ever-no5-cristiano-ronaldo fifth best player]''', and yet, despite this, ''Revision at 05:11, 28 March 2018 by [[User:Es031989|Es031989]] ([[User talk:Es031989#top|talk]])'' inserts him as “widely regarded as the greatest”, contradicting the source with his own bias, and also chimes in with his own opinion about “millions” (this too is also contradicted by the source below). |
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So the first source has him ranked '''seventh''', which contradicts the insertion of material of “the greatest”, second source has him ranked '''fifth''', which contradicts the insertion of material as “the greatest”, and, we also have another source that [[User: PsychopathicAssassin|'''<em style="font-family:Bradley Hand ITC;color:black">PsychopathicAssassin</em>''']]<small>[[User talk:PsychopathicAssassin|'''<em style="font-family:Bradley Hand ITC;color:black"></em>''']]</small> used which only served to contradict his claim that Cristiano is “widely regarded as the greatest”, as the ''Daily Express'' journalist stated, [https://www.express.co.uk/sport/football/815554/Cristiano-Ronaldo-greatest-footballer-Pele-Lionel-Messi-Maradona-George-Best-Johan-Cruyff “There aren’t too many around who can say with conviction that Cristiano Ronaldo is the best player ever. Except me, that is.”]. Exactly. It’s a minority view, not “widely regarded as the greatest” as these blatently biased wiki contributors are inserting. Inserting false material and contradicting the sources is blatant vandalism. [[User:Tellso HL|Tellso HL]] ([[User talk:Tellso HL|talk]]) 13:57, 28 March 2018 (UTC) |
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:Absolutely '''some''' do, and it was me who advocated the change to that as '''one of''' underplayed it. Like that journalist stated though a view of him being regarded as the greatest is not a widely held one. The two sources that have him 7th, and 5th, that’s a common sight. The problem is the biased fanboys who insert original material with no connection to the source; this by [[User: PsychopathicAssassin|'''<em style="font-family:Bradley Hand ITC;color:black">PsychopathicAssassin</em>''']]<small>[[User talk:PsychopathicAssassin|'''<em style="font-family:Bradley Hand ITC;color:black"></em>''']]</small> ..“After winning his first Ballon d'Or by a record-high vote count at age 23, the public debate regarding his qualities as a player moved beyond his status in contemporary football to the possibility that he was the greatest player in history.” ..which he came up with and used a '''[http://www.ibtimes.com/top-50-greatest-footballers-all-time-pele-maradona-messi-ronaldo-included-best-soccer-1624974 source that said no such thing, and had him seventh]'''. The deception doesn’t get any clearer. Same user also dug up a blog as if that’s a reliable source. [[User:Tellso HL|Tellso HL]] ([[User talk:Tellso HL|talk]]) 04:01, 29 March 2018 (UTC) |
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U can keep saying about everyone who do not agree with u "biased", but u don't really fool no one, and it's easily plain to see you are an angry Messi fan who just can't deal with the fact of millions worlwide thinking Ronaldo is the greatest - well, whatever is written in Wikipedia, it doesn't change facts of reality. Grow up and find something constructive and actually meaningful to do with your time rather than spend every day fighting the inevitable. Protection level changed once and u didn't learn, now it's been changed again and it's time to stop the editing once and for all - let's see if u can show some maturity and not start edit warring again. <!-- Template:Unsigned IP --><small class="autosigned">— Preceding [[Wikipedia:Signatures|unsigned]] comment added by [[Special:Contributions/176.12.229.117|176.12.229.117]] ([[User talk:176.12.229.117#top|talk]]) 11:02, 30 March 2018 (UTC)</small> <!--Autosigned by SineBot--> |
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:Did you really need to post this? The fact is, there are sources that claim Ronaldo is the best player ever, and there are sources that say Messi is the best ever. The two do not affect each other. – [[User:PeeJay2K3|Pee]][[User talk:PeeJay2K3|Jay]] 11:20, 30 March 2018 (UTC) |
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Another source to prove that the statement "regarded by many as the greatest of all time" is obligatory - http://www.espn.com/soccer/uefa-champions-league/story/3442369/gianluigi-buffon-incredible-cristiano-ronaldo-like-pele-diego-maradona <!-- Template:Unsigned --><small class="autosigned">— Preceding [[Wikipedia:Signatures|unsigned]] comment added by [[User:Es031989|Es031989]] ([[User talk:Es031989#top|talk]] • [[Special:Contributions/Es031989|contribs]]) 17:03, 12 April 2018 (UTC)</small> <!--Autosigned by SineBot--> |
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== RfC about statement in the lead section == |
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{{atop|The bolded "yes" and "no" bits are a bit confused, but consensus strongly backs the phrase in question. [[User:Swarm|<span style='color:black;text-shadow: 0.0em 0.0em 0.9em black'><big>'''S'''</big><small>'''''warm'''''</small></span>]] [[User talk:Swarm|<span style='color:black;text-shadow: 0.1em 0.1em 0.2em red'>♠</span>]] 03:17, 11 May 2018 (UTC)}} |
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Should the sentence in the lead section describing Ronaldo's standing be something other than "Often considered the best player in the world and widely regarded as one of the greatest of all time"? <span style="background: #6fd6f5; font-family: Monospace;">[[User:Nzd|<span style="color: #98285c">Nzd</span>]] [[User talk:Nzd|<span style="color: #98285c">(talk)</span>]]</span> 20:58, 28 March 2018 (UTC) |
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:'''Note''' I have rephrased the question slightly to make the survey easier to answer/count. <span style="background: #6fd6f5; font-family: Monospace;">[[User:Nzd|<span style="color: #98285c">Nzd</span>]] [[User talk:Nzd|<span style="color: #98285c">(talk)</span>]]</span> 02:16, 29 March 2018 (UTC) |
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===Survey=== |
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*'''No''' This again. Keep it and let the canielle fight. {{sbb}} [[User:L3X1|L3X1]] [[User talk:L3X1|<small>◊distænt write◊</small>]] 19:27, 10 April 2018 (UTC) |
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* '''Yes''' - Not a shred of a doubt "regarded by many as the greatest of all time" is an accurate version. millions of people across the globe prove that it's actually a fact! <!-- Template:Unsigned IP --><small class="autosigned">— Preceding [[Wikipedia:Signatures|unsigned]] comment added by [[Special:Contributions/84.111.233.230|84.111.233.230]] ([[User talk:84.111.233.230#top|talk]]) 12:57, 12 April 2018</small> |
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*'''No''' – I would prefer to tone it down a bit, but reviewing previous discussions it looks to me this isn't a realistic option. I would be opposed to removing "one of". There are enough other players who are widely regarded to be the best that if we say this, we need to explain why there is more than one who is the best, and that would just be too much for the lead. I think leaving it as-is is the best option. [[User:Kendall-K1|Kendall-K1]] ([[User talk:Kendall-K1|talk]]) 01:20, 13 April 2018 (UTC) |
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*'''Yes''' - the acclamation should be removed as it does not conform to [[WP:NPV|neutral point of view]] requirements. A section discussing how the subject compares with other players objectively would be appropriate.--[[User:Rpclod|Rpclod]] ([[User talk:Rpclod|talk]]) 15:46, 19 April 2018 (UTC){{sbb}} |
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*'''No''' - The current text is fine. –[[User:Davey2010|<span style="color: blue;">'''Davey'''</span><span style="color: orange;">'''2010'''</span>]]<sup>[[User talk:Davey2010|<span style="color: navy;">'''Talk'''</span>]]</sup> 14:31, 23 April 2018 (UTC) |
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*'''No''' - The sentence should read as 'Often considered the best player in the world and widely regarded as one of the greatest of all time' [[User:O'Flannery|O'Flannery]] ([[User talk:O'Flannery|talk]]) 15:20, 23 April 2018 (UTC) |
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*'''Yes''' - no doubt Cristiano Ronaldo is already considered widely as one of the candidates for the best player ever. anyway the survey can't reflect reality while most people do not participate in it, and anyway - it's an undeniable fact that Ronaldo considered by many as the best player ever so any other statement would be false and won't reflect reality. [[User:Es031989|Es031989]] ([[User talk:Es031989|talk]]) 11:02, 27 April 2018 (UTC) |
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*'''No''' (or remove the sentence altogether from this and other articles) - I came here to fix templates originally, and I have no particular interest in any particular player, for or against, but I think the any wording claiming he is widely considered the single greatest of all time is overstating what the sources actually say. Yes, some journalists refer to him as such, but a many of them of them seem to be writing for papers in areas where he plays or has played, and many other journalists consider him to be #5, #7, etc., and "widely" implies a worldwide consensus. It needs more than just individual journalists claiming that ''they'' consider him the greatest of all time, it would actually need multiple reliable sources claiming that he is "widely" considered the greatest of all time (anything else would be [[WP:SYNTH]]). There are also plenty of sources in the article that state that he ''isn't'' widely considered the single greatest (such as [https://www.express.co.uk/sport/football/815554/Cristiano-Ronaldo-greatest-footballer-Pele-Lionel-Messi-Maradona-George-Best-Johan-Cruyff] which states "THERE aren’t too many around who can say with conviction that Cristiano Ronaldo is the best player EVER."). Meanwhile, he is widely considered to be on pretty much every list of greatest player'''s'''. I would say either keep it as is; remove it altogether from this and the [[Lionel Messi]], [[Pelé]], [[Diego Maradona]], etc. articles; or change it to the wording used on the Messi article, which says "regarded by many as the greatest of all time", or the Maradona article, which says "Many in the sport, including football writers, players, and fans, regard Maradona as the greatest football player of all time" (which, again, don't imply worldwide consensus). --[[User:Ahecht|Ahecht]] ([[User_talk:Ahecht|<span style="color:#FFF;background:#00F;display:inline-block;padding:1px 1px 0;vertical-align:-.3em;font:bold 50%/1 sans-serif;text-align:center">TALK<br />PAGE</span>]]) 13:50, 27 April 2018 (UTC) |
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*'''Yes''' - it should say: "Often considered the best player in the world and regarded by many as the greatest of all time." [[Special:Contributions/89.39.107.191|89.39.107.191]] ([[User talk:89.39.107.191|talk]]) 18:05, 29 April 2018 (UTC) |
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:*Can someone explain why this IPs !vote^ is (or was) being rollbacked ?, IPs can comment here too ?. ... –[[User:Davey2010|<span style="color: blue;">'''Davey'''</span><span style="color: orange;">'''2010'''</span>]]<sup>[[User talk:Davey2010|<span style="color: navy;">'''Talk'''</span>]]</sup> 19:11, 29 April 2018 (UTC) |
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::He/she was removing two "No" votes before (see [https://en.wikipedia.org/enwiki/w/index.php?title=Talk:Cristiano_Ronaldo&diff=838849741&oldid=838849287 here]). [[User:Kante4|Kante4]] ([[User talk:Kante4|talk]]) 19:15, 29 April 2018 (UTC) |
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:::That was a mistake from me. Didn't mean to remove those two comments. [[Special:Contributions/89.39.107.191|89.39.107.191]] ([[User talk:89.39.107.191|talk]]) 19:21, 29 April 2018 (UTC) |
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::::Five times? Seems odd to me, but ok... (Maybe i should have used an edit summary aswell (but an IP removing comment looks fishy)) [[User:Kante4|Kante4]] ([[User talk:Kante4|talk]]) 19:23, 29 April 2018 (UTC) |
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:::: Was the YES vote and comment by 89.39.107.191 submitted well after the request for votes had ended? If so, should this be removed from this section? [[User:O'Flannery|O'Flannery]] ([[User talk:O'Flannery|talk]]) 13:36, 30 April 2018 (UTC) |
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===Threaded discussion=== |
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*I've opened this RfC in an attempt to quell the long-standing and disruptive edit wars that have been a bane of this article for too long. Although I would consider myself an uninvolved party, my understanding of the history is that there has been a consensus for a certain wording ("Often considered the best player in the world and widely regarded as one of the greatest of all time"), but there has been increasing pressure to change the wording to remove "one of" from that statement. My observation is that this has been done by a minority without consensus, so I am asking for input from interested and outside parties to a) evaluate the talk page history to confirm current consensus and b) evaluate sources currently included and any new ones proffered through this RfC. As I have stated before, I would prefer more neutral wording and consistency across all of the relevant articles (Messi, et al), but I will be abstaining from the survey. <span style="background: #6fd6f5; font-family: Monospace;">[[User:Nzd|<span style="color: #98285c">Nzd</span>]] [[User talk:Nzd|<span style="color: #98285c">(talk)</span>]]</span> 20:58, 28 March 2018 (UTC) |
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*I don't think it's our place to reflect these ephemeral things anyway. Just leave the article to state at what level the player has been and how long, letting that speak for itself. WHOEVER IT IS. [[User:Britmax|Britmax]] ([[User talk:Britmax|talk]]) 14:47, 29 March 2018 (UTC) |
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::I would support the removal of the statement from this ''and'' the Messi article per this reasoning (although there would probably need to be consensus to do so on both articles). At the very least, this would set stable versions and the POV-pushers on both 'sides' would need to build consensus for a change either way. <span style="background: #6fd6f5; font-family: Monospace;">[[User:Nzd|<span style="color: #98285c">Nzd</span>]] [[User talk:Nzd|<span style="color: #98285c">(talk)</span>]]</span> 11:12, 30 March 2018 (UTC) |
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:::Can not agree more. [[User:Kante4|Kante4]] ([[User talk:Kante4|talk]]) 12:09, 30 March 2018 (UTC) |
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::::I think the sentence should remain as 'Often considered the best player in the world and widely regarded as one of the greatest of all time' as there simply are not enough credible sources to back up the claim 'widely regarded as the greatest of all time'. This is evident simply by looking at the sources already being used. If it was such a widely held view then the quality and number of sources would be easy to find. As it is, the same few editors are repeatedly attempting to make a claim which is simply not true, and can not be supported with many credible sources. Reading back over the last six months you will see the same arguments being made as to why 'widely ragarded as the greatest' is incorrect, and the C Ronaldo fans repeatedly ignoring them. A lack of objectivity, and a blind fanaticism is making this page an absurd joke.[[User:O'Flannery|O'Flannery]] ([[User talk:O'Flannery|talk]]) 20:06, 1 April 2018 (UTC) |
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*Editors need to remember that taking multiple individual journalists claiming he is the greatest of all time, and then extrapolating to claim he is "widely considered the greatest of all time", is a violation of [[WP:SYNTH]]. You can claim that many consider him the greatest of all time, but you can't claim that that is the widespread belief when there are plenty of sources to contradict that claim. --[[User:Ahecht|Ahecht]] ([[User_talk:Ahecht|<span style="color:#FFF;background:#00F;display:inline-block;padding:1px 1px 0;vertical-align:-.3em;font:bold 50%/1 sans-serif;text-align:center">TALK<br />PAGE</span>]]) 13:54, 27 April 2018 (UTC) |
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== Why is no-one doing anything with the same bullshit post? == |
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Ive just reverted the same bullshit post as no-one else on here seems bothered. The user ''[[User:Es031989|Es031989]] ([[User talk:Es031989#top|talk]])'' ignores the talk page, ignores the fact the material hes repeatedly inserting is not backed up by the source it is placed beside. Why the hell isnt anyone else reverting his bullshit? Nobody is interested. Post away. "Ronaldo played for 18,000 clubs and scored two trillion goals". You can add anything unchecked. I reverted his bullshit four times and got done for the three revert rule, despite the fact what he was posting was vandalism. [[User:Tellso HL|Tellso HL]] ([[User talk:Tellso HL|talk]]) 14:04, 29 March 2018 (UTC) |
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:Have you not read the arguments about this? [[User:Britmax|Britmax]] ([[User talk:Britmax|talk]]) 14:52, 29 March 2018 (UTC) |
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::This specifically is the bullshit I’m referring to (as above). First bullshit exhibit..bullshitter posts: “After winning his first Ballon d'Or by a record-high vote count at age 23, the public debate regarding his qualities as a player moved beyond his status in contemporary football to the possibility that he was the greatest player in history.” ...and the source he used for this sentence of his?... '''[http://www.ibtimes.com/top-50-greatest-footballers-all-time-pele-maradona-messi-ronaldo-included-best-soccer-1624974 this, that has Ronaldo ranked as the seventh best player, also mentions nothing about being “the greatest player in history”]'''. Next bullshit exhibit: The first source in this very article has Cristiano as the '''[https://www.fourfourtwo.com/features/fourfourtwos-100-greatest-footballers-ever-no5-cristiano-ronaldo fifth best player]''', and yet, ''Revision at 05:11, 28 March 2018 by [[User:Es031989|Es031989]] ([[User talk:Es031989#top|talk]])'' inserts him as “widely regarded as the greatest”. He’s inserting claims contradicted by sources, and has done so repeatedly without anyone doing anything. He also added his opinion about “millions” thinking like he did, no source backing this up of course, and his own opinion is also contradicted by [https://www.express.co.uk/sport/football/815554/Cristiano-Ronaldo-greatest-footballer-Pele-Lionel-Messi-Maradona-George-Best-Johan-Cruyff this source, with a journalist stating “There aren’t too many around who can say with conviction that Cristiano Ronaldo is the best player ever. Except me, that is.”]. When the first source ranks C.Ronaldo seventh, the next source ranks him fifth, the next source, a journalist, states his view about him being the best is a minority one, how on Earth does this equate to “widely considered the greatest”? It doesn’t because it’s bullshit. The bullshitter has stayed away from the talk page as he won’t face up to this bullshit, just repeatedly posts his bullshit on the article itself. [[User:Tellso HL|Tellso HL]] ([[User talk:Tellso HL|talk]]) 15:15, 29 March 2018 (UTC) |
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:::Wikipedia is not a place for your public and childish outbursts, [[User:Tellso HL|Tellso HL]]. As I have repeatedly said, the wide public opinion is that many believe Ronaldo and Messi to be the two best players of all time. However you may list them is your public opinion, but if you were capable of conducting a poll that would be able to rank the two individuals (on a worldwide scale), the likelihood would be that you would receive an incredibly close number. The way the article is structured now, with both being the same, reflects that. [[User:PsychopathicAssassin|PsychopathicAssassin]] ([[User talk:PsychopathicAssassin|talk]]) 16:25, 29 March 2018 (UTC) |
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:::::Instead of avoiding the actual subject, care to justify your last post on the article? Inserting “'''many'''” (regard him as the greatest), when there is no source for that, and the [https://www.fourfourtwo.com/features/fourfourtwos-100-greatest-footballers-ever-no5-cristiano-ronaldo first source in the article contradicts such a claim by only ranking him fifth]. Inserting this.... |
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{{quote| “However, after winning his first Ballon d'Or by a record-high vote count at age 23, the public debate regarding his qualities as a player moved beyond his status in contemporary football to the possibility that he was the greatest player in history.<ref>{{cite web |url=http://www.ibtimes.com/top-50-greatest-footballers-all-time-pele-maradona-messi-ronaldo-included-best-soccer-1624974 |title=Top 50 Greatest Footballers of All-Time – Pelé, Maradona, Messi And Ronaldo Included in the Best Soccer Players Ever List |publisher=IBT |date=10 July 2014 |accessdate=7 August 2014}}</ref>}} |
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::::::...when there is [http://www.ibtimes.com/top-50-greatest-footballers-all-time-pele-maradona-messi-ronaldo-included-best-soccer-1624974 no mention of this bullshit anywhere in the source], and again, only has him ranked seventh. I’ve reverted the bullshit three times, so it’s up to others on here to revert it (if they give a damn about any accuracy). [[User:Tellso HL|Tellso HL]] ([[User talk:Tellso HL|talk]]) 15:45, 29 March 2018 (UTC) |
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:I Would use the word "bullshit" less if I were you. It does not make for a collegiate atmosphere. [[User:Britmax|Britmax]] ([[User talk:Britmax|talk]]) 18:02, 29 March 2018 (UTC) |
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::totally agree with Tellso HL. The same users (obviously simply fans of C Ronaldo) are again changing the sentence to something which is simply not true, and can not be backed up by many credible sources. This was even discussed back in August 2017, a consensus was even reached that 'regarded as the greatest of all time' was simply not accurate, and 'regarded as one of the greatest of all time' was preferred. How these same users are allowed to keep coming back and vandalising the page, with no regard for actual sources is beyond me. Someone really should step in and sort this nonsense out.[[User:O'Flannery|O'Flannery]] ([[User talk:O'Flannery|talk]]) 15:36, 1 April 2018 (UTC) |
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== Possible 30-500 protection (until 29 April 2018) == |
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I have had a look at the details of the two editors - the ones who have been edit warring this article over the last seven days - and both of them have not made 500 edits. Tellso HL has been on Wikipedia for 30 days and made only 123 edits, while Reberp for 16 months but only 153 edits. As things stand, 30-500 protection is good enough to prevent the two users listed from editing. I am not 100% certain if Black Kite has seen the account details (length of time on Wikipedia and the edit count) between these editors before fully protecting this page. Thanks, [[User:Iggy the Swan|Iggy]] ([[User talk:Iggy the Swan#top|Swan]]) 15:56, 30 March 2018 (UTC) |
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== Fully protected edit request on 1 April 2018 == |
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{{edit fully protected|Cristiano Ronaldo|answered=y}} |
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Add <nowiki>*{{cite web |url=https://www.theglobeandmail.com/sports/soccer/ubcs-star-studded-stereotype-study-the-sociology-of-cristiano-ronaldo/article23786125/ |title=UBC’s star-studded stereotype study: the sociology of Cristiano Ronaldo |work=The Globe and Mail |last=Ebner |first=David |quote=[Ronaldo] is, some have argued of late, the best to have ever played the game. |location=Kelowna, British Columbia, Canada |date=2 April 2015 <!--updated 25 March 2017--> |accessdate=1 April 2018}}</nowiki> at the end of the first note. [[User:Hurrygane|Hurrygane]] ([[User talk:Hurrygane|talk]]) 18:35, 1 April 2018 (UTC) |
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:{{Done}}. [[User:Hurrygane|Hurrygane]] ([[User talk:Hurrygane|talk]]) 21:37, 4 April 2018 (UTC) |
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== Should the UEFA Super Cup 2016 be included in Cristiano Ronaldo's list of honours == |
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{{archive top|result=We've had this discussion before, and the rather obvious answer is still that no, a player who didn't play and wasn't even in the squad does not get credit for a trophy, regardless of what Real Madrid's website says. [[User_talk:Black Kite|Black Kite (talk)]] 12:55, 13 April 2018 (UTC)}} |
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I firmly believe that under the Cristiano Ronaldo's honour heading the 2016 UEFA Super Cup should be included. Although, he may not have been part of the squad that won the trophy on the night. According to the official regulations of the UEFA Super Cup 2015-2018 cycle, the winning team are awarded forty gold medals. As Cristiano Ronaldo was a member of the squad that helped Real Madrid secure a place in the UEFA Super Cup he would have been awarded one of the forty gold medals available. SEE HERE ARTICLE 9 FOR FULL GUIDELINES → http://www.uefa.com/MultimediaFiles/Download/Regulations/uefaorg/Regulations/02/35/94/42/2359442_DOWNLOAD.pdf In addition to this, on the official Real Madrid website there is a page about Ronaldo including his statistics and honours he has achieved throughout his career. If you scroll right to the bottom you can see the total number of trophies he has won including three UEFA Super Cup trophies won at Madrid. These include the years 2014, 2016 and 2017. Although, it doesn't mention the years he won it, these are the only years he could have won those titles as he did not win any at Manchester United and Real Madrid have only participated in three finals since Ronaldo's arrival in which they won all three. SEE WEBSITE HERE → http://www.realmadrid.com/en/football/squad/cristiano-ronaldo-dos-santos <!-- Template:Unsigned --><small class="autosigned">— Preceding [[Wikipedia:Signatures|unsigned]] comment added by [[User:Ibrahimhoque01|Ibrahimhoque01]] ([[User talk:Ibrahimhoque01#top|talk]] • [[Special:Contributions/Ibrahimhoque01|contribs]]) 20:03, 12 April 2018 (UTC)</small> <!--Autosigned by SineBot--> |
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:We had a lenghty discussion before. TL DR: He should not. [[User:Kante4|Kante4]] ([[User talk:Kante4|talk]]) 20:11, 12 April 2018 (UTC) |
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:Fuck's sake, some people just can't let stuff go! It's not just that he wasn't in the squad on the night, he wasn't named in the official 25-man squad for the game and didn't travel to Norway. If Real Madrid say Ronaldo won it, they're wrong and are just trying to blow smoke up the arse of their best player. – [[User:PeeJay2K3|Pee]][[User talk:PeeJay2K3|Jay]] 20:23, 12 April 2018 (UTC) |
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Omg! Do u really wanna tell me u exclude an award of the team he played in? So you'll need to delete Messi's 2006 champions league as he was not a part of it too. You are so biased this is so amateur what's going on here. <!-- Template:Unsigned IP --><small class="autosigned">— Preceding [[Wikipedia:Signatures|unsigned]] comment added by [[Special:Contributions/176.12.226.37|176.12.226.37]] ([[User talk:176.12.226.37#top|talk]]) 22:37, 12 April 2018 (UTC)</small> <!--Autosigned by SineBot--> |
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:You should probably try avoiding [[straw man]] arguments. Messi is listed as a winner of the 2005-06 Champions League because he was part of the official squad that Barcelona submitted to UEFA for the tournament. Ronaldo was not part of the squad Real Madrid submitted to UEFA for the 2016 Super Cup. – [[User:PeeJay2K3|Pee]][[User talk:PeeJay2K3|Jay]] 23:03, 12 April 2018 (UTC) |
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Honestly it makes zero difference what u decide to include, because officially 2016 Uefa super cup is and will be included in his career achievements. anyway u can tell yourself it's not included if it makes u feel better lol (it doesn't matter anyway). <!-- Template:Unsigned --><small class="autosigned">— Preceding [[Wikipedia:Signatures|unsigned]] comment added by [[User:Es031989|Es031989]] ([[User talk:Es031989#top|talk]] • [[Special:Contributions/Es031989|contribs]]) 01:52, 13 April 2018 (UTC)</small> <!--Autosigned by SineBot--> |
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:Anyone who includes it in his achievements is wrong. Why would you include it? He wasn't in the squad. If Ronaldo is considered a winner of the 2016 Super Cup, why not all of Real Madrid's youth players too? Because they weren't included in the squad, that's why. – [[User:PeeJay2K3|Pee]][[User talk:PeeJay2K3|Jay]] 11:29, 13 April 2018 (UTC) |
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* https://www.realmadrid.com/en/about-real-madrid/history/football-legends/cristiano-ronaldo-dos-santos-aveiro |
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Thanks, [[User:Iggy the Swan|Iggy]] ([[User talk:Iggy the Swan#top|Swan]]) 18:08, 24 April 2018 (UTC) |
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:Ok, works here but not on the article. [[User:Iggy the Swan|Iggy]] ([[User talk:Iggy the Swan#top|Swan]]) 18:09, 24 April 2018 (UTC) |
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::Can't get my head around it! [[User:Mattythewhite|Mattythewhite]] ([[User talk:Mattythewhite|talk]]) 22:46, 24 April 2018 (UTC) |
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:::[https://en.wikipedia.org/enwiki/w/index.php?title=Cristiano_Ronaldo&type=revision&diff=838185319&oldid=838183686 There's the answer]. [[User:Iggy the Swan|Iggy]] ([[User talk:Iggy the Swan#top|Swan]]) 13:20, 25 April 2018 (UTC) |
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:This page had exceeded the [[WP:Post-expand include size|Post-expand include size]], which is a limit on the amount of stuff in an article that can be produced by templates. When this limit is exceed, any templates over the limit will not be displayed. For this article, that is mostly driven by the HUGE (700+) number of references that are calling {{tl|cite web}} and {{tl|cite news}}. Even after trimming the "Honours and achievements" section, the Post-expand include size is 1,990,829 out of the allowed 2,097,152 bytes, so only small amount of extra templates will push this page over the limit again and cause templates at the end of the article, such as {{tl|reflist}} and {{tl|navboxes}}, to not display. I replaced the calls to {{tl|reflist}} with direct calls to <nowiki><references /></nowiki> to reduce the template load a bit and ensure that references show up even if the limit is exceeded in the future, but we should really think about splitting out other parts of this article as to ensure that we aren't as close to hitting the limit in the future. --[[User:Ahecht|Ahecht]] ([[User_talk:Ahecht|<span style="color:#FFF;background:#00F;display:inline-block;padding:1px 1px 0;vertical-align:-.3em;font:bold 50%/1 sans-serif;text-align:center">TALK<br />PAGE</span>]]) 15:05, 25 April 2018 (UTC) |
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::[[:Category:Pages where template include size is exceeded]] - This page shows how many pages have the post-expand include size, there are a few articles in there. [[User:Iggy the Swan|Iggy]] ([[User talk:Iggy the Swan#top|Swan]]) 15:31, 25 April 2018 (UTC) |
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:::I really don't believe that removing the club and individual awards is the appropriate way to reduce the size of the page. It's understandable that most people vising the page would expect to find Ronaldo's club achievements on here. May I suggest it would be better to do what I've seen in several sports-person articles, to instead split out into new articles the details of the season reports in Club Career, and the Outside Football content. His notoriety is primarly for his football and achievements, which should take priority on this page. [[User:Formulaonewiki|Formulaonewiki]] ([[User talk:Formulaonewiki|talk]]) 17:13, 25 April 2018 (UTC) |
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::::{{ping|Formulaonewiki}} All those club achievements are on the linked [[List of career achievements by Cristiano Ronaldo]] page. Perhaps we should do what they do on the pages for most major actors and remove ALL records/awards and just have that section be a link to the list page. See [[Meryl Streep#Awards and nominations]] for an example. --[[User:Ahecht|Ahecht]] ([[User_talk:Ahecht|<span style="color:#FFF;background:#00F;display:inline-block;padding:1px 1px 0;vertical-align:-.3em;font:bold 50%/1 sans-serif;text-align:center">TALK<br />PAGE</span>]]) 17:18, 25 April 2018 (UTC) |
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:::::It would have been better if you started a discussion about that before removing that much info. Just my two cents... [[User:Kante4|Kante4]] ([[User talk:Kante4|talk]]) 17:22, 25 April 2018 (UTC) |
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::::::I appreciate the need to reduce the article size, but I am opposed to the removal of team honours. I don't think I'm being controversial in saying that honours won with a club or a national team are the most pertinent of a player's career. [[User:Mattythewhite|Mattythewhite]] ([[User talk:Mattythewhite|talk]]) 17:27, 25 April 2018 (UTC) |
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::::::{{ping|Kante4|Mattythewhite}}The article was literally broken, with a large number of citations that weren't displaying because the Wikipedia parser refused to expand the {{tl|cite web}} template. If you want to change which content is removed, feel free, but make sure that you preview the page and check that there isn't a red message at the top that says "<span style="color:red;">Warning: Template include size is too large. Some templates will not be included.</span>" Frankly, if there's going to be disagreement about which awards and honors to include, I would just move them ALL to the subpage. --[[User:Ahecht|Ahecht]] ([[User_talk:Ahecht|<span style="color:#FFF;background:#00F;display:inline-block;padding:1px 1px 0;vertical-align:-.3em;font:bold 50%/1 sans-serif;text-align:center">TALK<br />PAGE</span>]]) 18:14, 25 April 2018 (UTC) |
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:::::{{ping|Ahecht}} I agree. But I think it will only be a poor representation of Ronaldo's achievements to try and put a summary of whatever is deemed the 'most important' ones, and so agree that like with major actors we should just have a separate article for ALL the honours and achievements/records. I reverted the edit because I think it's more important we reach consensus before making such a major content change to the page. It would be interesting to see if other footballer articles are approaching a similar issue (I'm thinking a direct comparison in terms of ridiculous number of achievements and references etc.: [[Lionel Messi]]), and so I think it's important we reach a consensus as this will hopefully set a precedent for similar situations in the future. [[User:Formulaonewiki|Formulaonewiki]] ([[User talk:Formulaonewiki|talk]]) 19:00, 25 April 2018 (UTC) |
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::::::{{ping|Formulaonewiki}} It's fine that you reverted me, but please read [[WP:BRD]] before calling a good-faith bold edit "effective vandalism". --[[User:Ahecht|Ahecht]] ([[User_talk:Ahecht|<span style="color:#FFF;background:#00F;display:inline-block;padding:1px 1px 0;vertical-align:-.3em;font:bold 50%/1 sans-serif;text-align:center">TALK<br />PAGE</span>]]) 20:19, 25 April 2018 (UTC) |
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Similarly, Ronaldo was awarded the best player of the 21st century at the Globe Soccer Awards ceremony: |
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== Edit-warring conclusion == |
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{{archive top|result=Es031989 isn't currently blocked, but there doesn't seem any point in continuing a section that was started by someone who can't be bothered to log in as their actual account. Any more of this ("''people who can't adjust to reality''") will just see a longer block for them. [[User_talk:Black Kite|Black Kite (talk)]] 22:22, 30 April 2018 (UTC)}} |
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It's actually became amusing to see how much effort people who can't adjust to reality put into this warring. it's like going to Wikipedia's "sky" page, edit that "the sky is usually white", and expect that the sky outside would actually turn white lol. Feel free to write and edit to your version as u wish, but it's only just another site after all and reality stays the same. Hundreds of millions of football fans around the world consider Cristiano Ronaldo as the greatest if not at least a candidate to be the greatest - and that's a fact no words can change, and these whole warring only making Wikipedia looks bad by taking sides instead of reflecting real life. I may not take part in this warring in the future, but obviously this warring is far from over while so much don't agree with the current statement that some editors with more power in this site than others decided on. [[Special:Contributions/84.111.232.165|84.111.232.165]] ([[User talk:84.111.232.165|talk]]) 17:25, 30 April 2018 (UTC) |
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:In my case its because I don't consider whoever is currently "Greatest Evvah!?! at anything to be worthy of encyclopedic note, as it is a subject for pub conversations and not objectively verifiable. We can leave that sort of thing to the sports papers. And the word "you" has three letters. [[User:Britmax|Britmax]] ([[User talk:Britmax|talk]]) 18:44, 30 April 2018 (UTC) |
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* https://www.thenationalnews.com/sport/football/cristiano-ronaldo-voted-player-of-the-century-at-the-dubai-globe-soccer-awards-1.1135775 |
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I actually agree with u, but as we can see editors decided to ignore the fact that it's not an encyclopedic statement and it's now became a popularity decision among the editors for what players get the statement included, and what players not. the professional thing to do would be either adding the statement to all the players who deserve it (which is at least 5 players if not even 9-10 different players along football's history), or either delete that "the best" statement for any player (but i don't expect much professionality after i saw how Wikipedia's editing works). [[Special:Contributions/84.111.232.165|84.111.232.165]] ([[User talk:84.111.232.165|talk]]) 18:51, 30 April 2018 (UTC) |
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* https://www.marca.com/en/football/international-football/2020/12/27/5fe8bddd22601dd67a8b4639.html |
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It appears that 84.111.232.165 is Es031989, who is currently blocked.[[User:O'Flannery|O'Flannery]] ([[User talk:O'Flannery|talk]]) 20:20, 30 April 2018 (UTC) |
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* https://www.sportbusiness.com/news/stars-of-international-football-recognised-at-the-dubai-globe-soccer-awards-2020/ ([[User talk:Sendtel +|talk]]) 24:15, 22 November 2021 (UTC) |
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== Only one of the greatest? == |
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== Edit request for section "2022-present: Desire to leave United == |
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How is Ronaldo considered to be only one of the greatest? It's Wikipedia fgs are u serious people? Lol. <!-- Template:Unsigned IP --><small class="autosigned">— Preceding [[Wikipedia:Signatures|unsigned]] comment added by [[Special:Contributions/176.13.2.208|176.13.2.208]] ([[User talk:176.13.2.208#top|talk]]) 11:32, 4 May 2018 (UTC)</small> <!--Autosigned by SineBot--> |
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:How is this still a topic of discussion? Just [[WP:DROPTHESTICK|drop the stick]] already! – [[User:PeeJay2K3|Pee]][[User talk:PeeJay2K3|Jay]] 11:44, 4 May 2018 (UTC) |
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The following sentence (the reference for it is 313) needs a minor grammar fix - "take" instead of "taken": |
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:Yes. This is an encyclopedia, not Myplayerisgreat.com. And the word "you" has three letters. [[User:Britmax|Britmax]] ([[User talk:Britmax|talk]]) 12:16, 4 May 2018 (UTC) |
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"Ten Hag later named Ronaldo as captain for a league game against Aston Villa on 6 November, saying that Ronaldo was "an important part of the squad, we are happy with him and now he has to taken even more of the leader role". |
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"This is an encyclopedia, not Myplayerisgreat.com" - Ok!, then remove the statement from other players this is not a popularity site (oh wait a minute - yes it is)... <!-- Template:Unsigned IP --><small class="autosigned">— Preceding [[Wikipedia:Signatures|unsigned]] comment added by [[Special:Contributions/84.111.232.165|84.111.232.165]] ([[User talk:84.111.232.165#top|talk]]) 06:07, 5 May 2018 (UTC)</small> <!--Autosigned by SineBot--> |
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:You clearly have a quite unhealthy obsession with Cristiano Ronaldo, given that your edit history (in all of your guises) shows no activity on any other pages. Your opinion is clearly biased, and I feel we should pay you no further heed. Thanks for coming. – [[User:PeeJay2K3|Pee]][[User talk:PeeJay2K3|Jay]] 15:47, 5 May 2018 (UTC) |
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== Extended-confirmed-protected edit request on 14 September 2024 == |
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A polite question, and/or a doubt: so, if we say Ronaldo is the greatest of all time, we are sticking to the encyclopedic truth, but if we say any other player is (ESPECIALLY [[Lionel Messi|this one]]!) we are nothing than biased fanboys? Interesting to know, and FYI I am also Portuguese. Regards to all --[[User:Quite A Character|Quite A Character]] ([[User talk:Quite A Character|talk]]) 11:05, 22 May 2018 (UTC) |
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:Messi's article doesn't say he is the greatest of all time, nor does it have the "widely considered the greatest of all time" language that kept being pushed here. Instead, it says "regarded by many as the greatest of all time", which is not nearly as strong a statement. Feel free to discuss on ''that'' talk page if you feel the language should be changed. --[[User:Ahecht|Ahecht]] ([[User_talk:Ahecht|<span style="color:#FFF;background:#00F;display:inline-block;padding:1px 1px 0;vertical-align:-.3em;font:bold 50%/1 sans-serif;text-align:center">TALK<br />PAGE</span>]]) 14:24, 22 May 2018 (UTC) |
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::Both should have the same opening, everything else is subjective. So, good as it is. [[User:Kante4|Kante4]] ([[User talk:Kante4|talk]]) 14:26, 22 May 2018 (UTC) |
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I agree with you both, they both should have the same opening. "One of the greatest" is appropriate because their numbers attest to that, "THE greatest" is simple and absolute rubbish, no matter who the player (in no matter what sport) is. --[[User:Quite A Character|Quite A Character]] ([[User talk:Quite A Character|talk]]) 15:40, 22 May 2018 (UTC) |
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Please change YouTube channel view from 459 million views to 468 millon+ views.[[User:Complicated&Anonymous|Complicated&Anonymous]] ([[User talk:Complicated&Anonymous|talk]]) 11:03, 14 September 2024 (UTC) |
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:{{done}}<!-- Template:EEp --> [[User:Annh07|Annh07]] ([[User talk:Annh07|talk]]) 11:09, 14 September 2024 (UTC) |
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Why are assists not included in his stats when it is for every other player. [[Special:Contributions/2601:80:CC81:5100:98F3:46D6:2CDE:AFF9|2601:80:CC81:5100:98F3:46D6:2CDE:AFF9]] ([[User talk:2601:80:CC81:5100:98F3:46D6:2CDE:AFF9|talk]]) 22:21, 3 October 2024 (UTC) |
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:Because that's what most reliable sources do. Besides, it would look pretty ridiculous if we referred to him as Cristiano Ronaldo every single time. – [[User:PeeJay2K3|Pee]][[User talk:PeeJay2K3|Jay]] 06:35, 7 May 2018 (UTC) |
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== Extended-confirmed-protected edit request on 16 October 2024 == |
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Reliable sources refer to people by their middle names?! Huh? Subsequent references to him by his first name or last name would suffice. |
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:In this case, yes they do. No one ever refers to Cristiano Ronaldo by his last names, never. – [[User:PeeJay2K3|Pee]][[User talk:PeeJay2K3|Jay]] 11:47, 11 May 2018 (UTC) |
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{{Edit extended-protected|Cristiano Ronaldo|answered=yes}} |
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==Blocking users== |
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The number of goals are wrong for example it only takes into account his La Liga goals and not all competitive matches with Real Madrid [[Special:Contributions/2001:56A:F103:9100:3098:C850:B8E9:27F0|2001:56A:F103:9100:3098:C850:B8E9:27F0]] ([[User talk:2001:56A:F103:9100:3098:C850:B8E9:27F0|talk]]) 18:41, 16 October 2024 (UTC) |
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I said when I dropped the protection from full to semi-protected, that I would use blocks if necessary to prevent future edit-warring, ''especially'' if that user had been part of the edit-war that caused the full protection in the first place. I have therefore blocked [[User:Es031989]] for ''again'' changing the "regarded by some/many" line to their preference, followed by telling other users to "get a life". That's not acceptable. Hopefully no more blocks will be necessary. thanks, [[User_talk:Black Kite|Black Kite (talk)]] 14:17, 27 April 2018 (UTC) |
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:[[File:Red question icon with gradient background.svg|20px|link=|alt=]] '''Not done''': it's not clear what changes you want to be made. Please mention the specific changes in a [[WP:EDITXY|"change X to Y" format]] and provide a [[Wikipedia:Reliable sources|reliable source]] if appropriate.<!-- Template:EEp --> [[User:NotAGenious|NotAGenious]] ([[User talk:NotAGenious|talk]]) 09:54, 17 October 2024 (UTC) |
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* I was wrong. [[User:Reberp]] blocked for one week. A third edit-warring block suggests that the next one may be indefinite. [[User_talk:Black Kite|Black Kite (talk)]] 16:37, 29 April 2018 (UTC) |
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** 84.111.232.165, is also Es031989, they are still commenting on here.[[User:O'Flannery|O'Flannery]] ([[User talk:O'Flannery|talk]]) 20:22, 30 April 2018 (UTC) |
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*** You are correct. That has been dealt with. [[User_talk:Black Kite|Black Kite (talk)]] 22:17, 30 April 2018 (UTC) |
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**** Despite the addition of the hidden comment to prevent that line being changed, [[User:PsychopathicAssassin]] has changed it again, and I have therefore blocked them as well. [[User_talk:Black Kite|Black Kite (talk)]] 09:26, 18 May 2018 (UTC) |
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***** Es031989 now blocked indefinitely for resuming the edit-war. The concept of consensus clearly doesn't appear to be getting through to some. [[User_talk:Black Kite|Black Kite (talk)]] 17:04, 20 May 2018 (UTC) |
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Well... it doesn't change a thing anyway (some think he's the greatest, some not). the only thing your'e doing by choosing sides is maintain the illusion that there's something definite as "the greatest of all time". it's a matter of personal opinion, therefore there's no answer for this useless debate. <!-- Template:Unsigned IP --><small class="autosigned">— Preceding [[Wikipedia:Signatures|unsigned]] comment added by [[Special:Contributions/84.111.232.165|84.111.232.165]] ([[User talk:84.111.232.165#top|talk]]) 19:40, 21 May 2018 (UTC)</small> <!--Autosigned by SineBot--> |
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:Wikipedia is not claiming that either player actually ''is'' the greatest of all time, we're just reporting that varying numbers of sources have given the player that title. – [[User:PeeJay2K3|Pee]][[User talk:PeeJay2K3|Jay]] 22:44, 22 May 2018 (UTC) |
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== Extended-confirmed-protected edit request on 21 October 2024 == |
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Well... then here are another fresh new sources about Cristiano Ronaldo as the title "the greatest of all time": |
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* https://www.express.co.uk/sport/football/975174/Cristiano-Ronaldo-Real-Madrid-news-Lionel-Messi-Barcelona-World-Cup-2018 |
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* http://www.goal.com/en/news/even-best-ever-ronaldo-has-weaknesses-alexander-arnold/1xmq5hezghu6213kn8rp12n12o |
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and those are just 2 new, there are way more meaning there is a consensus about Cristiano Ronaldo as well.[[Special:Contributions/84.111.232.165|84.111.232.165]] ([[User talk:84.111.232.165|talk]]) 03:29, 22 June 2018 (UTC) |
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{{edit extended-protected|Cristiano Ronaldo|answered=yes}} |
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== Playmaker? == |
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[[User:141green16|141green16]] ([[User talk:141green16|talk]]) 15:06, 21 October 2024 (UTC) |
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Cristiano ronaldo will play for sporting lisbon in january of 2025 |
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* {{not done}} We would need a [[WP:RS|reliable source]] saying that. [[User_talk:Black Kite|Black Kite (talk)]] 15:39, 21 October 2024 (UTC) |
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== Extended-confirmed-protected edit request on 1 November 2024 == |
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There is a disagreement regarding the understanding of the term 'playmaking'. In my opinion, two reliable sources alone should be enough to prove the quality of one's playmaking abilities, and Ronaldo's such abilities are well documented. In a [https://iffhs.de/worlds-best-playmaker-2017-one-lionel-messi/ vote] conducted by the [[International Federation of Football History & Statistics|IFFHS]], 91 members of the jury voted for the [[International Federation of Football History & Statistics#IFFHS World's Best Playmaker|World's Best Playmaker 2017]]. Ronaldo finished eleventh in the voting, six points ahead of [[Mesut Özil]]. Additionally, [http://bleacherreport.com/articles/1071433-manchester-uniteds-top-7-playmakers-of-all-time#slide2 ''Bleacher Report'' named him one of Manchester United's 'top playmakers of all time'] in 2012: "It is unusual for a winger to be the playmaker in a team, but Cristiano Ronaldo is no usual player, and he was a playmaker for Manchester United." [[User:Hurrygane|Hurrygane]] ([[User talk:Hurrygane|talk]]) 17:41, 23 May 2018 (UTC) |
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== Semi-protected edit request on 26 May 2018 == |
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I would like to edit the games and goals for Ronaldo's career some of them are wrong, I looked it up on various websites. The numbers aren't way off but are still wrong. [[Special:Contributions/94.21.243.93|94.21.243.93]] ([[User talk:94.21.243.93|talk]]) 07:57, 1 November 2024 (UTC) |
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== Extended-confirmed-protected edit request on 16 November 2024 == |
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He scored 15 penalties, the last one against Juventus. check this page ([[European Cup and UEFA Champions League records and statistics]]) for the source and for other records. <!-- Template:Unsigned IP --><small class="autosigned">— Preceding [[Wikipedia:Signatures|unsigned]] comment added by [[Special:Contributions/210.140.10.87|210.140.10.87]] ([[User talk:210.140.10.87#top|talk]]) 22:44, 26 May 2018 (UTC)</small> <!--Autosigned by SineBot--> |
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:{{Done}}. [[User:Hurrygane|Hurrygane]] ([[User talk:Hurrygane|talk]]) 21:37, 4 April 2018 (UTC) |
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== Records == |
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I request a change in the number of goals that ronaldo scored for real madrid it says that he only scored 311 , when in reality he scored 450 goals exactly, thank you . [[Special:Contributions/212.108.132.50|212.108.132.50]] ([[User talk:212.108.132.50|talk]]) 13:01, 16 November 2024 (UTC) |
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:{{Not done}}: please provide [[Wikipedia:Reliable sources|reliable sources]] that support the change you want to be made.<!-- Template:EEp --> [[User:TheAstorPastor|<span style="font-family:Segoe print; color:#8B0000; text-shadow:gray 0.2em 0.2em 0.4em;">The AP </span>]] ([[User talk:TheAstorPastor|<span style="font-family:Segoe print; color:#AA336A">''talk''</span>]]) 18:14, 18 November 2024 (UTC) |
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== Extended-confirmed-protected edit request on 27 November 2024 == |
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Should the "Records" section be excluded from the "Honours and achievements" section? Would save us a lot of space, since a number of those records are arguably unnecessary. Moreover, the records are already comperehensively listed at [[List of career achievements by Cristiano Ronaldo#Records]]. [[User:Hurrygane|Hurrygane]] ([[User talk:Hurrygane|talk]]) 18:20, 27 May 2018 (UTC) |
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:Good suggestion, agreed, should be similar to Messi's page. Working on it now. [[User:Purijj|Purijj]] ([[User talk:Purijj|talk]]) 14:50, 28 May 2018 (UTC) |
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[[User:PRJJ1619|PRJJ1619]] ([[User talk:PRJJ1619|talk]]) 11:26, 27 November 2024 (UTC) |
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Height should be 1.875 m |
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:{{not done}}:<!-- Template:EEp --> There is a note in the infobox associated with his height that says it varies between 1.85 and 1.89 depending on which source is used. [[User:DrOrinScrivello|DrOrinScrivello]] ([[User talk:DrOrinScrivello|talk]]) 16:51, 27 November 2024 (UTC) |
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== This sentence == |
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:::{{Done}}. [[User:Purijj|Purijj]] ([[User talk:Purijj|talk]]) 17:24, 28 May 2018 (UTC) |
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After the game, Ferguson agreed to pay Sporting £12.24 million for what he considered to be "one of the most exciting young players" he had ever seen. |
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== Peer review request == |
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I've submitted a peer review request, so if anyone with experience can review the page and see what is needed to be done to get it to Good article status. [[User:Purijj|Purijj]] ([[User talk:Purijj|talk]]) 19:22, 4 June 2018 (UTC) |
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I think this can be changed to, " Speaking about ronaldo, Ferguson said "he was one of the most exciting young players" he had ever seen " . the transfer fee to sporting is literally already mentioned in the next sentence , this is why i think it should be changed [[User:Matthewishere0|Matthew is here zero]] ([[User talk:Matthewishere0|talk]]) 23:58, 27 November 2024 (UTC) |
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== One of the greatest? == |
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{{archive top|result=We've been through this over and over again, the answer isn't going to change. [[User_talk:Black Kite|Black Kite (talk)]] 00:09, 12 June 2018 (UTC)}} |
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Ronaldo is considered by countless people around the world as maybe the greatest. Is this really the most popular web "encyclopedia"? I really expected more than a site claims to be a worldwide encyclopedia. The fact we even debating on this lead readers to think someone here has strong interest to fight against presenting this fact as it obviously need to be on the article. <!-- Template:Unsigned IP --><small class="autosigned">— Preceding [[Wikipedia:Signatures|unsigned]] comment added by [[Special:Contributions/176.12.241.40|176.12.241.40]] ([[User talk:176.12.241.40#top|talk]]) 13:36, 9 June 2018 (UTC)</small> <!--Autosigned by SineBot--> |
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:And "countless" people consider [[Lionel Messi|Messi]], or [[Pelé]], or the [[Ronaldo (Brazilian footballer)|Brazilian Ronaldo]], or [[Diego Maradona|Maradona]] to be the greatest. As an encyclopedia, we have to present a worldwide view, as you said, not just a Portuguese/Spanish view. --[[User:Ahecht|Ahecht]] ([[User_talk:Ahecht|<span style="color:#FFF;background:#00F;display:inline-block;padding:1px 1px 0;vertical-align:-.3em;font:bold 50%/1 sans-serif;text-align:center">TALK<br />PAGE</span>]]) 15:22, 9 June 2018 (UTC) |
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:The sentence is completely fine. It states the transfer fee and gives Ferguson's view of Ronaldo. The context seems in line. [[User:Gooners Fan in North London|Gooners Fan in North London]] ([[User talk:Gooners Fan in North London|talk]]) 12:43, 4 December 2024 (UTC) |
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Ok...so change the statement at the two Ronaldo's page to meet that "worldwide view" u are talking about as required from an encyclopedia. <!-- Template:Unsigned IP --><small class="autosigned">— Preceding [[Wikipedia:Signatures|unsigned]] comment added by [[Special:Contributions/176.12.255.172|176.12.255.172]] ([[User talk:176.12.255.172#top|talk]]) 14:18, 10 June 2018 (UTC)</small> <!--Autosigned by SineBot--> |
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::Yes, but if you read the next sentence the transfer fee is stated as well, i think the fee doesnt need to be stated twice [[User:Matthewishere0|Matthew is here zero]] ([[User talk:Matthewishere0|talk]]) 03:04, 5 December 2024 (UTC) |
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:::OK. That section was needed to be correct, but everything else is alright. I was a bit confused by the quotation marks and didnt see anything else wrong. [[User:Gooners Fan in North London|Gooners Fan in North London]] ([[User talk:Gooners Fan in North London|talk]]) 04:27, 24 December 2024 (UTC) |
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== Mistake in this sentence == |
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~Is IP address 176.12.255.172 the same person as IP address 176.12.241.40? [[User:O'Flannery|O'Flannery]] ([[User talk:O'Flannery|talk]]) 00:04, 12 June 2018 (UTC) |
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:* Yes, and almost certainly 176.13.2.208 (see above) as well. Closing. [[User_talk:Black Kite|Black Kite (talk)]] 00:09, 12 June 2018 (UTC) |
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"...is a Portuguese professional footballer who plays '''''as a forward for and captains both''''' Saudi Pro League club Al Nassr..." |
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I believe there is a mistake in the sentence that could be corrected with "... is a Portuguese professional footballer who plays as a forward for Al Nassr and Portugal, where he serves as captain of both teams. [[User:CuraLiuc5|CuraLiuc5]] ([[User talk:CuraLiuc5|talk]]) 15:11, 28 November 2024 (UTC) |
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:While your proposed version is a correct way of rephrasing the sentence, I actually prefer the existing word structure as a less-wordy way of saying he captains and plays forward for both teams. I added a "the" after "both" to rectify the grammatical error. [[User:DrOrinScrivello|DrOrinScrivello]] ([[User talk:DrOrinScrivello|talk]]) 19:46, 2 December 2024 (UTC) |
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== Order of Merit Abbreviation incorrect == |
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== Semi-protected edit request on 20 June 2018 == |
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The Portuguese Order of Merit is incorrect. It should be abbreviated as [[Order of Merit (Portugal)|OM]]. It says it here in [[List of post-nominal letters (Portugal)|list of post-nominal letters]]. If that is true, then can anyone edit it? There is a protected edit and I cant seem to edit. [[User:Gooners Fan in North London|Gooners Fan in North London]] ([[User talk:Gooners Fan in North London|talk]]) 16:33, 30 November 2024 (UTC) |
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:According to the article you linked, it is an Officer of the Order of Merit that is abbreviated OM. Ronaldo is correctly identified as a Commander, abbreviated ComM (though an argument could be made that per [[MOS:POSTNOM|the manual of style]], post-nominals shouldn't be included in the article's lead in the first place). [[User:DrOrinScrivello|DrOrinScrivello]] ([[User talk:DrOrinScrivello|talk]]) 19:53, 2 December 2024 (UTC) |
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Change international goals from 84 to 85 following the goal against morocco, and note that he now has the most international goals of any European player. [[User:D1tzl|D1tzl]] ([[User talk:D1tzl|talk]]) 12:54, 20 June 2018 (UTC) |
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:After the game is completed, it will be done. [[User:Kante4|Kante4]] ([[User talk:Kante4|talk]]) 12:59, 20 June 2018 (UTC) |
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Extended-confirmed-protected edit request on 22 November 2021
Hello. Ronaldo has won 34 trophies and not 32 as mentioned in the article. The uncounted trophies are the FA Community Shield 2008 and the UEFA Super Cup 2016. Although Ronaldo did not play both games the titles must be added as he was part of the team squad, in addition to being collective awards. Enclosed references:
Similarly, Ronaldo was awarded the best player of the 21st century at the Globe Soccer Awards ceremony:
- https://www.sportbusiness.com/news/stars-of-international-football-recognised-at-the-dubai-globe-soccer-awards-2020/ (talk) 24:15, 22 November 2021 (UTC)
Edit request for section "2022-present: Desire to leave United
The following sentence (the reference for it is 313) needs a minor grammar fix - "take" instead of "taken":
"Ten Hag later named Ronaldo as captain for a league game against Aston Villa on 6 November, saying that Ronaldo was "an important part of the squad, we are happy with him and now he has to taken even more of the leader role".
Extended-confirmed-protected edit request on 14 September 2024
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Please change YouTube channel view from 459 million views to 468 millon+ views.Complicated&Anonymous (talk) 11:03, 14 September 2024 (UTC)
Assists
Why are assists not included in his stats when it is for every other player. 2601:80:CC81:5100:98F3:46D6:2CDE:AFF9 (talk) 22:21, 3 October 2024 (UTC)
Extended-confirmed-protected edit request on 16 October 2024
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The number of goals are wrong for example it only takes into account his La Liga goals and not all competitive matches with Real Madrid 2001:56A:F103:9100:3098:C850:B8E9:27F0 (talk) 18:41, 16 October 2024 (UTC)
Not done: it's not clear what changes you want to be made. Please mention the specific changes in a "change X to Y" format and provide a reliable source if appropriate. NotAGenious (talk) 09:54, 17 October 2024 (UTC)
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141green16 (talk) 15:06, 21 October 2024 (UTC) Cristiano ronaldo will play for sporting lisbon in january of 2025
Not done We would need a reliable source saying that. Black Kite (talk) 15:39, 21 October 2024 (UTC)
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I would like to edit the games and goals for Ronaldo's career some of them are wrong, I looked it up on various websites. The numbers aren't way off but are still wrong. 94.21.243.93 (talk) 07:57, 1 November 2024 (UTC)
- Not done: it's not clear what changes you want to be made. Please mention the specific changes in a "change X to Y" format and provide a reliable source if appropriate. Annh07 (talk) 08:00, 1 November 2024 (UTC)
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I request a change in the number of goals that ronaldo scored for real madrid it says that he only scored 311 , when in reality he scored 450 goals exactly, thank you . 212.108.132.50 (talk) 13:01, 16 November 2024 (UTC)
- Not done: please provide reliable sources that support the change you want to be made. The AP (talk) 18:14, 18 November 2024 (UTC)
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PRJJ1619 (talk) 11:26, 27 November 2024 (UTC)
Height should be 1.875 m
- Not done: There is a note in the infobox associated with his height that says it varies between 1.85 and 1.89 depending on which source is used. DrOrinScrivello (talk) 16:51, 27 November 2024 (UTC)
This sentence
After the game, Ferguson agreed to pay Sporting £12.24 million for what he considered to be "one of the most exciting young players" he had ever seen.
I think this can be changed to, " Speaking about ronaldo, Ferguson said "he was one of the most exciting young players" he had ever seen " . the transfer fee to sporting is literally already mentioned in the next sentence , this is why i think it should be changed Matthew is here zero (talk) 23:58, 27 November 2024 (UTC)
- The sentence is completely fine. It states the transfer fee and gives Ferguson's view of Ronaldo. The context seems in line. Gooners Fan in North London (talk) 12:43, 4 December 2024 (UTC)
- Yes, but if you read the next sentence the transfer fee is stated as well, i think the fee doesnt need to be stated twice Matthew is here zero (talk) 03:04, 5 December 2024 (UTC)
- OK. That section was needed to be correct, but everything else is alright. I was a bit confused by the quotation marks and didnt see anything else wrong. Gooners Fan in North London (talk) 04:27, 24 December 2024 (UTC)
- Yes, but if you read the next sentence the transfer fee is stated as well, i think the fee doesnt need to be stated twice Matthew is here zero (talk) 03:04, 5 December 2024 (UTC)
Mistake in this sentence
"...is a Portuguese professional footballer who plays as a forward for and captains both Saudi Pro League club Al Nassr..." I believe there is a mistake in the sentence that could be corrected with "... is a Portuguese professional footballer who plays as a forward for Al Nassr and Portugal, where he serves as captain of both teams. CuraLiuc5 (talk) 15:11, 28 November 2024 (UTC)
- While your proposed version is a correct way of rephrasing the sentence, I actually prefer the existing word structure as a less-wordy way of saying he captains and plays forward for both teams. I added a "the" after "both" to rectify the grammatical error. DrOrinScrivello (talk) 19:46, 2 December 2024 (UTC)
Order of Merit Abbreviation incorrect
The Portuguese Order of Merit is incorrect. It should be abbreviated as OM. It says it here in list of post-nominal letters. If that is true, then can anyone edit it? There is a protected edit and I cant seem to edit. Gooners Fan in North London (talk) 16:33, 30 November 2024 (UTC)
- According to the article you linked, it is an Officer of the Order of Merit that is abbreviated OM. Ronaldo is correctly identified as a Commander, abbreviated ComM (though an argument could be made that per the manual of style, post-nominals shouldn't be included in the article's lead in the first place). DrOrinScrivello (talk) 19:53, 2 December 2024 (UTC)
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