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Smelling pistakes: In addition to bone-deep burn scars on my left hand I now also have C7 radiculopathy, so my typing is particularly erratic right now. I have a spellcheck plugin but it can't handle larger text blocks. You're welcome to fix spelling errors without pinging me, but please don't change British to American spelling or indeed vice-versa.

JzG is taking a short wikibreak and will be back on Wikipedia soon.

God Jul och Gott Nytt År!

Gråbergs Gråa Sång is wishing you the season's greetings.
Whether you celebrate your hemisphere's solstice or Christmas,
Diwali, Hogmanay, Hanukkah, Lenaia, Festivus,
or the Saturnalia,
this is a special time of year for (almost) everyone.

JzG! Are you still out there?

Hi JzG! I was going through some old ArbCom cases and ran into one where you had added some statements. I realized that I haven't spoken to you in quite some time, and I see that you haven't made any edits since May... That sucks! I don't want to see someone like you go! If anything, I hope that you're doing well and that you're happy and that you'll someday return here. I just wanted to leave you a message and let you know that I was thinking about you... Keep in touch. :-) ~Oshwah~^{(talk) (contribs)} 23:05, 9 January 2022 (UTC)[reply]

I hope it goes without saying, despite the fact that I'm saying it, that many of us feel the same way. Happy new year Girth Summit _(blether) 23:13, 9 January 2022 (UTC)[reply]

We didn't cross paths very often lately, JzG, but we could really use you back. If you get the urge to return, please say "Yes!" Liz ^{Read! Talk!} 01:14, 15 January 2022 (UTC)[reply]

October JzG sighting at WP:RSN. Does my heart good. --Floquenbeam (talk) 20:57, 25 October 2022 (UTC)[reply]

Lovely to hear from you! I have spent the past two-and-a-bit years working at incredibly high stress for a hospital. In that time I have retired around 80% of their legacy application and server estate, instituted architectural guidelines and piloted the process for demand review, reduced the measured risk burden by around 80%, instituted objective risk monitoring using Tenable, and I've just proposed (and had accepted) a plan to remediate or mitigate most of the rest. I have, in short, been busy in that there real life of which you read, and that really wasn't going to fit in with having to be nice to people who sincerely believe that Ashlii Babbit was the real victim of the "legitimate political discourse" on Jan 6 2020.

I have a week's leave. I have 28 days to take before year end, having managed I think three days off this year so far (including weekends). And because I have an offshore team and an onshore customer, my working day can be 8am to 3am.

I thought I'd drop in :-) Guy (help! - typo?) 18:44, 26 October 2022 (UTC)[reply]

Yikes, sounds like, umm..., a lot of responsibility. There will be plenty for you to do here when you are free! Johnuniq (talk) 22:50, 26 October 2022 (UTC)[reply]

Glad you dropped by! Beyond My Ken (talk) 02:19, 27 October 2022 (UTC)[reply]

Glad to hear you're OK - and busy, by the sounds of things! Hope you enjoy your break. Girth Summit _(blether) 11:17, 27 October 2022 (UTC)[reply]

If Guy doesn't look at Talk:Alexander technique real soon now, where Eddy is being accused of plagiarism, I may be forced to contact him on bookfarce. That would mean giving Guy my real name. He always forgets me. - Roxy the dog 16:00, 27 October 2022 (UTC)[reply]

I try never to remember people's RW names unless they are "out" on Wikipedia. Even when they out themselves, this has led to huge problems, e.g. with a user whose identity was revealed by accident off-wiki, showing him to be the source of fact-washing his own side in Wikipedia disputes via a journalist. That ended badly for everyone. Guy (help! - typo?) 16:16, 27 October 2022 (UTC)[reply]

Very happy see the little JzG! bishzilla _ROARR!! pocket 19:56, 27 October 2022 (UTC).[reply]

Hah! Good to see you're still around! RasputinAXP 20:48, 27 October 2022 (UTC)[reply]

This is a few months late, but welcome back! Wishing you well. starship .paint (exalt) 09:40, 12 December 2022 (UTC)[reply]

Welcome indeed! Just came across your signature here. It's always great to run in to another 'old-timer'. Hope you're well, Arbitrarily0 ^(talk) 11:21, 23 May 2023 (UTC)[reply]

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+== [[User:JzG|JzG]]! Are you still out there? ==
-Hi Guy/JzG. Thank you for replying to my comments on the chaos magic talk page, I appreciate it. I'd also like to apologise for my slightly snarky comments towards you the other day, I allowed my frustration to get the better of me, and I shouldn't have.
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+Hi [[User:JzG|JzG]]! I was going through some old ArbCom cases and ran into one where you had added some statements. I realized that I haven't spoken to you in quite some time, and I see that you haven't made any edits since May... That sucks! I don't want to see someone like you go! If anything, I hope that you're doing well and that you're happy and that you'll someday return here. I just wanted to leave you a message and let you know that I was thinking about you... Keep in touch. :-) [[User:Oshwah|<b><span style="color:#C00000">~Oshwah~</span></b>]]<sup><small><b>[[User_talk:Oshwah|<span style="color:blue">(talk)</span>]] [[Special:Contributions/Oshwah|<span style="color:green">(contribs)</span>]]</b></small></sup>  23:05, 9 January 2022 (UTC)
+:I hope it goes without saying, despite the fact that I'm saying it, that many of us feel the same way. Happy new year [[User:Girth Summit|<span style="font-family:Impact;color:#006400;">Girth</span>&nbsp;<span style="font-family:Impact;color:#4B0082;">Summit</span>]][[User talk:Girth Summit|<sub style="font-family:Segoe print;color:blue;"> (blether)</sub>]] 23:13, 9 January 2022 (UTC)
-I've added some new content to the chaos magic article, under the "concept and terminology" section near the top, in an attempt to address the "mainstream view" that needs to be given more weight. I've tried to address the mainstream view of magic historically, theologically, anthropologically, psychologically, and within occultism more generally. Then and ''only then'' have I moved on to addressing the viewpoint of chaos magic. Would you mind casting your eye over it and telling me whether you think this now gives adequate weight to the mainstream view? And, if so, whether the tag at the top of the article can now be removed. Or, if not, how precisely you think it needs to be dealt with? [[User:Rune370|Rune370]] ([[User talk:Rune370|talk]]) 21:37, 10 July 2018 (UTC)
+::We didn't cross paths very often lately, JzG, but we could really use you back. If you get the urge to return, please say "Yes!" <span style="font-family:Papyrus; color:#800080;">[[User:Liz|'''''L'''''iz]]</span> <sup style="font-family: Times New Roman; color: #006400;">[[Special:Contributions/Liz|'''''Read!''''']] [[User talk:Liz|'''''Talk!''''']]</sup> 01:14, 15 January 2022 (UTC)
-==Guidance==
+:::October JzG sighting at [[WP:RSN]].  Does my heart good. --[[User:Floquenbeam|Floquenbeam]] ([[User talk:Floquenbeam|talk]]) 20:57, 25 October 2022 (UTC)
+::::Lovely to hear from you! I have spent the past two-and-a-bit years working at incredibly high stress for a hospital. In that time I have retired around 80% of their legacy application and server estate, instituted architectural guidelines and piloted the process for demand review, reduced the measured risk burden by around 80%, instituted objective risk monitoring using [[Tenable, Inc.|Tenable]], and I've just proposed (and had accepted) a plan to remediate or mitigate most of the rest. I have, in short, been busy in that there real life of which you read, and that really wasn't going to fit in with having to be nice to people who sincerely believe that Ashlii Babbit was the real victim of the "legitimate political discourse" on Jan 6 2020.
+::::I have a week's leave. I have 28 days to take before year end, having managed I think three days off this year so far (including weekends). And because I have an offshore team and an onshore customer, my working day can be 8am to 3am.
+::::I thought I'd drop in :-) '''[[user:JzG|Guy]]''' <small>([[user talk:JzG|help!]] - [[User:JzG/Typos|typo?]])</small> 18:44, 26 October 2022 (UTC)
+:::::Yikes, sounds like, umm..., a lot of responsibility. There will be plenty for you to do here when you are free! [[User:Johnuniq|Johnuniq]] ([[User talk:Johnuniq|talk]]) 22:50, 26 October 2022 (UTC)
+:::::Glad you dropped by! [[User:Beyond My Ken|Beyond My Ken]] ([[User talk:Beyond My Ken|talk]]) 02:19, 27 October 2022 (UTC)
+:::::Glad to hear you're OK - and busy, by the sounds of things! Hope you enjoy your break. [[User:Girth Summit|<span style="font-family:Impact;color:#006400;">Girth</span>&nbsp;<span style="font-family:Impact;color:#4B0082;">Summit</span>]][[User talk:Girth Summit|<sub style="font-family:Segoe print;color:blue;"> (blether)</sub>]] 11:17, 27 October 2022 (UTC)
+::::::If Guy doesn't look at [[Talk:Alexander technique]] real soon now, where Eddy is being accused of plagiarism,  I may be forced to contact him on bookfarce. That would mean giving Guy my real name. He always forgets me. - [[User:Roxy the dog|'''Roxy''' ]]the [[User talk:Roxy the dog|'''dog''']]  16:00, 27 October 2022 (UTC)
+:::::::I try never to remember people's RW names unless they are "out" on Wikipedia. Even when they out themselves, this has led to huge problems, e.g. with a user whose identity was revealed by accident off-wiki, showing him to be the source of fact-washing his own side in Wikipedia disputes via a journalist. That ended badly for everyone. '''[[user:JzG|Guy]]''' <small>([[user talk:JzG|help!]] - [[User:JzG/Typos|typo?]])</small> 16:16, 27 October 2022 (UTC)
+::::::::Very happy see the little JzG! [[User:Bishzilla|<b style="font-family:comic sans ms;color:#0FF"><big>''bishzilla''</big></b>]] [[User talk:Bishzilla|<i style="color:#E0E;"><sub>R</sub>OA<big>R<big>R!<big>!</big></big></big></i>]] [[User:Bishzilla/Srp|<b style="color:#33E">pocket</b>]] 19:56, 27 October 2022 (UTC).
+:::::Hah! Good to see you're still around! [[User talk:RasputinAXP|<span style="color:#FFFFFF; background: maroon;">&nbsp;RasputinAXP&nbsp;</span>]] 20:48, 27 October 2022 (UTC)
+::::::This is a few months late, but welcome back! Wishing you well. '''[[User:Starship.paint|<span style="color:#512888">starship</span>]][[Special:Contributions/Starship.paint|<span style="color:#512888">.paint</span>]] ([[User talk:Starship.paint|exalt]])''' 09:40, 12 December 2022 (UTC)
+:Welcome indeed! Just came across your signature [[Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Fortress of Amerikkka|here]]. It's always great to run in to another 'old-timer'. Hope you're well, [[User:Arbitrarily0|<span style='color:black'><b><u><i>Arbitrarily0</i></u></b></span>]]&nbsp;<sup><b>([[User talk:Arbitrarily0|<span style="font-variant: small-caps; color:#FF4500;">talk</span>]])</b></sup> 11:21, 23 May 2023 (UTC)
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-Mate, you've got a tag on your signature that says "help!" You've been on Wikipedia for 13 years, and your user page lists all kinds of different achievements. That's clearly something that's important to you. I'm asking for your help and guidance here.
-I don't want the chaos magic page to try and convince people that chaos magic is real. That is '''not''' my aim here! If you want a big "criticism" section saying "all sane people think this is bullshit", I really don't care. OK? I'm not trying to push that kind of agenda.
-Please, take a look at the page before I did anything to it: [[https://en.wikipedia.org/enwiki/w/index.php?title=Chaos_magic&oldid=844118027]].
-It's badly written trash. It looks like some children have written it.
-Look at the page in 2008: [[https://en.wikipedia.org/enwiki/w/index.php?title=Chaos_magic&oldid=253883987]].
-It's almost the same! '''Nobody else is doing this.''' If I don't fix it, it's not going to happen. My aim here is just to have a well written, ''encyclopaedic'' article on chaos magic, the same as the articles for [[Wicca]] or [[Thelema]]. That is it. That is all I'm trying to do.
-In my mind, within the general sphere of "things that are probably bullshit", [[Witchcraft]] and [[ceremonial magic]] and [[enochian magic]] occupy a different category to homeopathy and creationism and conspiracy theories. As you've pointed out, everyone else puts all of that stuff into one category. OK, that's fine, I accept that totally. But I'm really struggling to deal with the tag that's been put on the page: "This article may present fringe theories, without giving appropriate weight to the mainstream view". I thought it was fairly obvious that that wasn't the right tag, because I can't see how witchcraft or magic deviates from a mainstream view in the same way that creationism deviates from "we evolved", or homeopathy deviates from "homeopathic medicine is just water".
-I'm not trying to make that argument again, now. I've made it till I'm blue in the face. I'm just trying to describe to you why I need some guidance now. Now I'm trying to fix that problem, I really need your input on this.
-Have I correctly identified the mainstream view? Do I need to be more specific? Are we talking specifically about the mainstream view of science? Or the cultural mainstream, somehow? Does the mainstream view need to be threaded through the article somehow? Do I need to deal with the mainstream view of each sub-topic within chaos magic, like sigils or whatever? Have I covered the maintream view effectively with the new content I've added?
-Please, I need your help on this. [[User:Rune370|Rune370]] ([[User talk:Rune370|talk]]) 11:57, 12 July 2018 (UTC)
-: You want someone to help you increase the amount of fancruft in the chaos magic article. I am not that person. <b>[[User Talk:JzG|Guy]]</b> <small>([[User:JzG/help|Help!]])</small> 12:25, 12 July 2018 (UTC)
-== [[Special:Contributions/91.235.142.81]] ==
-You've had [https://en.wikipedia.org/enwiki/w/index.php?title=Is_Genesis_History%3F&diff=prev&oldid=845672479 a bit of a run-in] with this IP, and (while some of their edits are pretty good) they've got a heroic ability to [[Talk:Intelligent_design|IDHT]], generally [https://en.wikipedia.org/enwiki/w/index.php?title=Transnistria&action=history bludgeon away] (yeah, it takes two to tango, but they do it to everyone) - {{u|Jamez42}} had a lump of the same behaviour I got, where looking for other problematic edits gets you labelled a stalker.
-I'm not sure what can be done but I thought I'd let you (and J42) know there's a pattern emerging. [[User:Pinkbeast|Pinkbeast]] ([[User talk:Pinkbeast|talk]]) 15:49, 12 July 2018 (UTC)
-:{{ping|Pinkbeast}} Hi! I'm not sure if I fully understood the message, but in case it is useful to know, per [[WP:DUCK]] it is most likely that this IP is [[Wikipedia:Sockpuppet investigations/Apollo The Logician|a sock of Apollo The Logician]]. Back then I only decided to leave warnings on its talk page, but seeing that they seem to have started edt warring again I strongly suggest you to file an investigation or make a report in the admin noticeboard. For the time being I personally can't do it, but you have my support and help if you decide to. Cheers! --[[User:Jamez42|Jamez42]] ([[User talk:Jamez42|talk]]) 22:50, 12 July 2018 (UTC)
-:On second thought, I decided to go ahead and file a report of sockpuppeting. They have already been warned and this will just go on. --[[User:Jamez42|Jamez42]] ([[User talk:Jamez42|talk]]) 23:07, 12 July 2018 (UTC)
-::Thanks. If it's a typical sock, I'll know it next time. [[User:Pinkbeast|Pinkbeast]] ([[User talk:Pinkbeast|talk]]) 23:41, 12 July 2018 (UTC)
-== Unblock ==
-Hello, Guy. I have just accepted an unblock request from an editor you blocked, at [[User talk:DefendingPages]]. Usually I consult the blocking editor first, but in view of what you have said on your talk page I decided to go ahead with the unblock, but of course if you know of any reason that I don't why the block should stay, please let me know. The reason you gave in the block log was "All edits are reverts, often reintroducing spam removed by others." I checked a sample of 20 edits, spread across the account's history. Of those 20, 15 were clearly beneficial edits, and the other five appeared to be at the least good faith attempts to improve articles, but it was not immediately obvious whether they were beneficial or not: it would have needed further searching, checking sources, etc, to determine which. I did not see a single edit which was obviously bad, and only one of them re-added something which looked as though it might or might not have have been spam (again, it would have needed more checking to decide). Of course, I may have missed problems which you saw, but it seems highly unlikely that in the sample I looked at I would have seen such a total lack of evidence of problems if the editor's history was so uniformly bad as to justify an indefinite block without warning. Please do tell me if there are significant aspects of the editing history which I have missed, but from what I have seen the block looks like a mistake. <small>''The editor who uses the pseudonym''</small> "[[User:JamesBWatson|JamesBWatson]]" ([[User talk:JamesBWatson#top|talk]]) 14:22, 16 July 2018 (UTC)
-:Thanks, maybe I was wrong. The edits I saw were reverting spam links back in, but that may be an artifact. That said, the username is a huge red flag. <b>[[User Talk:JzG|Guy]]</b> <small>([[User:JzG/help|Help!]])</small> 08:26, 17 July 2018 (UTC)
-::Yes, I agree, user names like that usually suggest an editor who is not here for constructive reasons. In fact I think that is what called my attention to this one editor among dozens that were in the list of current unblock requests. <small>''The editor who uses the pseudonym''</small> "[[User:JamesBWatson|JamesBWatson]]" ([[User talk:JamesBWatson#top|talk]]) 08:41, 17 July 2018 (UTC)
-== John Paul Morrison ==
-Talking to my son a few days ago, I realized I am still grieving over being deleted from Wikipedia 3 years ago (?).  Stuff I put up about my hobby-horse, Flow-Based Programming, was apparently treated as advertising, whereas I saw that page as just a place to put some cross-references.    I am not a villain... just someone who made the mistake of putting his enthusiasm in the wrong place!  Since then a lot of material on FBP has been posted in various places, including videos, articles, plus products based on FBP - notably NiFi, NoFlo, etc. I guess if you feel someone should be penalized forever for making a mistake in their usage of WP, so be it!
-Approaching the age of 81, with various medical problems, it would be nice to have even a small presence on Wikipedia other than a pink block - preferably before I die! Given that both my father and half-sister - also my godmother - have WP entries - although I realize this doesn't make a difference to the situation - it would be nice to join them! I also make an appeal to AGF - I was only motivated by my enthusiasm for the technology - apparently I should just have been patient!
-Given the spread of interest in Flow-Based Programming worldwide recently (especially since NoFlo), probably a very short unembellished article about the author would have been enough, and of course one was put up on Wikipedia quite a few years ago (not by me).  If the author of that one, or anyone else, could be prevailed upon to restore the original, how should they go about doing it?
-The original decision to delete me seems draconian - have the rules or conventions been relaxed in the last few years?  I have not been on WP much since then, but it seems likely that there may have been changes since those days...
-[[User:Jpaulm|Jpaulm]] ([[User talk:Jpaulm|talk]]) 16:18, 17 July 2018 (UTC)