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== Semi-protected edit request on 22 December 2017 ==

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Please change the documentary title - "Whitney: Can I Be Me" to "Untitled Whitney Houston Documentary". The description of the documentary film refers to a film which has not been released and doesn't have an official title yet (the film will be released in 2018).

Please change "and the production team, Altitude," to ", the production team, Lightbox, and the distribution team, Altitude". Lightbox is the production company and Altitude is a distributor of the film.

Please change "The biopic will be released theatrically on June 11, 2017." to "The biopic will be released in 2018". The film has not been released yet and the date is not known. [[User:LightboxMedia|LightboxMedia]] ([[User talk:LightboxMedia|talk]]) 16:47, 22 December 2017 (UTC)

:[[File:Red information icon with gradient background.svg|20px|link=|alt=]] '''Not done:''' please provide [[Wikipedia:Identifying reliable sources|reliable sources]] that support the change you want to be made.<!-- Template:ESp --> You also appear to have a [[WP:COI]] with this article. [[User:Upsidedown Keyboard|Upsidedown Keyboard]] ([[User talk:Upsidedown Keyboard|talk]]) 14:45, 23 December 2017 (UTC)

== Semi-protected edit request on 2 January 2018 ==

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Please delete the whole "Film" section and change it to: "A documentary film on Whitney Houston's life and death, entitled Whitney: Can I Be Me, was released in 2017. It was co-produced and co-directed by Nick Broomfield."

This change is requested as at the moment, the description refers to The Untitled Whitney Houston documentary, a different which has not released yet and is directed by Kevin Macdonald. [[Special:Contributions/85.118.2.11|85.118.2.11]] ([[User talk:85.118.2.11|talk]]) 15:45, 2 January 2018 (UTC)
:[[File:Pictogram voting wait.svg|20px|link=|alt=]] '''Already done'''<!-- Template:ESp --> by {{u|SunCrow}}. [[User:Eggishorn|Eggishorn]] [[User talk:Eggishorn|(talk)]] [[Special:Contributions/Eggishorn|(contrib)]] 18:33, 2 January 2018 (UTC)

== Deterioration of voice ==

[[User:SunCrow|SunCrow]], I appreciate you [https://en.wikipedia.org/enwiki/w/index.php?title=Whitney_Houston&diff=816121877&oldid=816085981 adding] information on this. As seen at [[Talk:Mariah Carey/Archive 12#Being neutral: Voice section etc.]], where [[User:Petergriffin9901|Petergriffin9901]], [[User:SNUGGUMS|SNUGGUMS]], [[User:IndianBio|IndianBio]], [[User:Calvin999|Calvin999]] (₳aron), [[User:Escape Orbit|Escape Orbit]] and myself commented, there was talk of adding such material here and at the [[Mariah Carey]] article. That stated, you should typically stay away from citing the ''[[Daily Mail]]'' (especially for [[WP:BLP]]s) since the Wikipedia community has repeatedly found it unreliable and has banned it for WP:BLPs. Yes, Houston is now deceased, but still.


== LGBT+ and bisexual categories ==
Also pinging [[User:Tenebrae|Tenebrae]] in case he wants to weigh in and is not watching the article. [[User:Flyer22 Reborn|Flyer22 Reborn]] ([[User talk:Flyer22 Reborn|talk]]) 18:46, 2 January 2018 (UTC)


I've removed these cats, but now I'm not so sure. My concern is that they are [[WP:CATDEF|not defining]]. It seems that the source for it are the claims of one person, posthumously, and Houston herself never publicly defined herself thus. But the most important thing is; do reliable sources commonly refer to her this way? I'm not sure they do. [[User:Escape_Orbit|<span style="color: green;">Escape Orbit</span>]] <sup>[[User_talk:Escape_Orbit|(Talk)]]</sup> 22:05, 20 November 2024 (UTC)
:That's a tough one. ''Daily Mail'' items relying on anonymous sources and on the paper's own gossipy claims are clearly unusable. In this case, the writer is quoting the vocal coach directly in an interview the writer conducted. So I think it may be usable. However, we already have quotes from the vocal coach from ABC News and ''Inside Edition'', so I'm not sure why we need '"Daily Mail'' as well.


== Recent year linkage in lead section ==
:One additional note: The ''New York Post'' cite has to be removed. All it's doing is referencing ABC News. Since the ABC News cite is there, the ''Post'' cite is completely superfluous. --[[User:Tenebrae|Tenebrae]] ([[User talk:Tenebrae|talk]]) 19:02, 2 January 2018 (UTC)


Wikilinking the year 2012 is against the [[WP:MOS]] guideline of [[WP:DATELINK]] but let's discuss. It's possible I could be wrong... - [[User:Shearonink|Shearonink]] ([[User talk:Shearonink|talk]]) 15:52, 6 December 2024 (UTC)
== Sourcing in the lead, and conflicting sources ==


== The Voice and most awarded ==
[[User:Bluesatellite|Bluesatellite]], regarding [https://en.wikipedia.org/enwiki/w/index.php?title=Whitney_Houston&diff=857554559&oldid=856431364 this], while, per [[WP:CITELEAD]], the lead doesn't need to be sourced, why did you remove the sources from the lead? We have had editors changing figures in the lead, and having the material cited there for easy checking helps combat inaccuracy.


The bolding of "The Voice" in the lead is [[MOS:NOBOLD|against MOS guidelines]]. It should be removed. There are also [[The_Voice#People_known_as_"The_Voice"|a fair number of people who have been called "The Voice"]], so I'm not sure why it deserves this prominence.
And regarding [https://en.wikipedia.org/enwiki/w/index.php?title=Whitney_Houston&diff=857589593&oldid=857562811 this], if the sources conflict, we should see what the literature usually states on the matter and give [[WP:Due weight|more weight]] to the numbers that are usually reported. Adding sources that conflict beside each other, and only going by what one of the sources state, is not ideal. Anyone could come and change the material to what the first source states and ignore what the second one states.


The claim in the lead "one of the most awarded entertainers" is effectively meaningless [[MOS:PUFFERY|puffery]] and unsourced. How has this been measured? Which awards are being counted? Who determined this? How? One of how many? Is she 999th out of 1000, or first out of 10? It conveys nothing factual and should be removed from the lead. It would be far better for it to be replaced with something that highlights the actual awards she has actually been awarded. [[User:Escape_Orbit|<span style="color: green;">Escape Orbit</span>]] <sup>[[User_talk:Escape_Orbit|(Talk)]]</sup> 10:42, 19 December 2024 (UTC)
If you reply to me in this section, I ask that you don't [[WP:Ping]] me since this article/talk page is on my watchlist. [[User:Flyer22 Reborn|Flyer22 Reborn]] ([[User talk:Flyer22 Reborn|talk]]) 09:13, 2 September 2018 (UTC)


:Whitney Houston is literally The Voice. She is the most popular singer with that nickname in pop culture right now. Just like dozens of female pop stars have been called <nowiki>''Queen of pop'' but it'</nowiki>s associated most with [[Madonna]].
== "Huston" ==
At one point early in the article her name is misspelled as "Huston". I'd have changed it myself, but there's no "Edit" function in the article, so I hope someone else can fix it.[[Special:Contributions/89.212.50.177|89.212.50.177]] ([[User talk:89.212.50.177|talk]]) 11:53, 3 September 2018 (UTC)
:Secondly, Whitney was the most awarded female act of all time according to ABC News, Billboard [[Special:Contributions/2402:800:6105:5D0D:ACA9:1523:99BC:9FB|2402:800:6105:5D0D:ACA9:1523:99BC:9FB]] ([[User talk:2402:800:6105:5D0D:ACA9:1523:99BC:9FB|talk]]) 15:52, 19 December 2024 (UTC)
::"''She is the most popular singer with that nickname in pop culture right now''" - You can source that claim?
::"''according to ABC News, Billboard''" - Excellent. Could you please add these sources, and we can see how they determined this fact, or whether it is an opinion that should be attributed. The lead paragraph should focus on sourced facts, attributable opinions can come later. --[[User:Escape_Orbit|<span style="color: green;">Escape Orbit</span>]] <sup>[[User_talk:Escape_Orbit|(Talk)]]</sup> 17:33, 19 December 2024 (UTC)
:::According to several articles by ABC News, Whitney is the most awarded female act, for example:
:::https://abcnews.go.com/blogs/entertainment/2012/08/whitney-houston-remembered-on-49th-birthday
:::https://abcnews.go.com/GMA/WhitneyHouston/story?id=8250028
:::For the nickname <nowiki>''The Voice''</nowiki>, according to [[List of best-selling music artists]], Houston is the top-selling artist with the nickname, with 220 million records sold. Another very famous singer who once called The Voice - Frank Sinatra sold 150 million. But he was called <nowiki>''</nowiki>The Voice<nowiki>''</nowiki> for a very short period of time (in the begining of his career), the nicknames that most associated with him are The Chairman of the Board or the Ol' Blue Eyes (see [[Frank Sinatra]]). Moreover, Biography sites such as Billboard or Britannica for Houston all mention the title <nowiki>''</nowiki>the Voice<nowiki>''</nowiki> right in the opening paragraph:
:::https://www.billboard.com/artist/whitney-houston/
:::https://www.britannica.com/biography/Whitney-Houston
:::News sites such as CNN, ABC, NBC have all honored Houston with the nickname The Voice:
:::https://edition.cnn.com/2022/02/11/entertainment/gallery/whitney-houston-life-in-pictures/index.html
:::https://abcnews.go.com/blogs/entertainment/2012/08/whitney-houston-remembered-on-49th-birthday
:::https://www.nbcnews.com/think/opinion/whitney-houston-biopic-review-black-music-women-artists-lizzo-doja-cat-rcna62775
:::https://www.yahoo.com/entertainment/whitney-houston-young-singer-became-115406222.html
:::https://ew.com/music/whitney-houston-60th-birthday-tribute-the-voice/ [[Special:Contributions/2402:800:6105:5D0D:610E:9E26:F602:18AC|2402:800:6105:5D0D:610E:9E26:F602:18AC]] ([[User talk:2402:800:6105:5D0D:610E:9E26:F602:18AC|talk]]) 02:50, 22 December 2024 (UTC)
::::@[[User:2402:800:6105:5D0D:610E:9E26:F602:18AC|2402:800:6105:5D0D:610E:9E26:F602:18AC]] Both sources specify "artist", while the article says "entertainer", and neither give any indication how they determined this. So it's difficult to support it as a fact. The latest of them is also 12 years old.
::::The issue with "the Voice" is primarily why it appears in bold, contrary to the [[MOS:NOBOLD|Wikipedia manual of style]]. [[User:Escape_Orbit|<span style="color: green;">Escape Orbit</span>]] <sup>[[User_talk:Escape_Orbit|(Talk)]]</sup> 14:51, 22 December 2024 (UTC)
:If no-one can provide a reason why this article should be ignoring the manual of style in bolding "the Voice", I'll remove the bolding. [[User:Escape_Orbit|<span style="color: green;">Escape Orbit</span>]] <sup>[[User_talk:Escape_Orbit|(Talk)]]</sup> 18:16, 26 December 2024 (UTC)

Latest revision as of 18:16, 26 December 2024

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I've removed these cats, but now I'm not so sure. My concern is that they are not defining. It seems that the source for it are the claims of one person, posthumously, and Houston herself never publicly defined herself thus. But the most important thing is; do reliable sources commonly refer to her this way? I'm not sure they do. Escape Orbit (Talk) 22:05, 20 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Recent year linkage in lead section

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Wikilinking the year 2012 is against the WP:MOS guideline of WP:DATELINK but let's discuss. It's possible I could be wrong... - Shearonink (talk) 15:52, 6 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]

The Voice and most awarded

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The bolding of "The Voice" in the lead is against MOS guidelines. It should be removed. There are also a fair number of people who have been called "The Voice", so I'm not sure why it deserves this prominence.

The claim in the lead "one of the most awarded entertainers" is effectively meaningless puffery and unsourced. How has this been measured? Which awards are being counted? Who determined this? How? One of how many? Is she 999th out of 1000, or first out of 10? It conveys nothing factual and should be removed from the lead. It would be far better for it to be replaced with something that highlights the actual awards she has actually been awarded. Escape Orbit (Talk) 10:42, 19 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Whitney Houston is literally The Voice. She is the most popular singer with that nickname in pop culture right now. Just like dozens of female pop stars have been called ''Queen of pop'' but it's associated most with Madonna.
Secondly, Whitney was the most awarded female act of all time according to ABC News, Billboard 2402:800:6105:5D0D:ACA9:1523:99BC:9FB (talk) 15:52, 19 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]
"She is the most popular singer with that nickname in pop culture right now" - You can source that claim?
"according to ABC News, Billboard" - Excellent. Could you please add these sources, and we can see how they determined this fact, or whether it is an opinion that should be attributed. The lead paragraph should focus on sourced facts, attributable opinions can come later. --Escape Orbit (Talk) 17:33, 19 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]
According to several articles by ABC News, Whitney is the most awarded female act, for example:
https://abcnews.go.com/blogs/entertainment/2012/08/whitney-houston-remembered-on-49th-birthday
https://abcnews.go.com/GMA/WhitneyHouston/story?id=8250028
For the nickname ''The Voice'', according to List of best-selling music artists, Houston is the top-selling artist with the nickname, with 220 million records sold. Another very famous singer who once called The Voice - Frank Sinatra sold 150 million. But he was called ''The Voice'' for a very short period of time (in the begining of his career), the nicknames that most associated with him are The Chairman of the Board or the Ol' Blue Eyes (see Frank Sinatra). Moreover, Biography sites such as Billboard or Britannica for Houston all mention the title ''the Voice'' right in the opening paragraph:
https://www.billboard.com/artist/whitney-houston/
https://www.britannica.com/biography/Whitney-Houston
News sites such as CNN, ABC, NBC have all honored Houston with the nickname The Voice:
https://edition.cnn.com/2022/02/11/entertainment/gallery/whitney-houston-life-in-pictures/index.html
https://abcnews.go.com/blogs/entertainment/2012/08/whitney-houston-remembered-on-49th-birthday
https://www.nbcnews.com/think/opinion/whitney-houston-biopic-review-black-music-women-artists-lizzo-doja-cat-rcna62775
https://www.yahoo.com/entertainment/whitney-houston-young-singer-became-115406222.html
https://ew.com/music/whitney-houston-60th-birthday-tribute-the-voice/ 2402:800:6105:5D0D:610E:9E26:F602:18AC (talk) 02:50, 22 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]
@2402:800:6105:5D0D:610E:9E26:F602:18AC Both sources specify "artist", while the article says "entertainer", and neither give any indication how they determined this. So it's difficult to support it as a fact. The latest of them is also 12 years old.
The issue with "the Voice" is primarily why it appears in bold, contrary to the Wikipedia manual of style. Escape Orbit (Talk) 14:51, 22 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]
If no-one can provide a reason why this article should be ignoring the manual of style in bolding "the Voice", I'll remove the bolding. Escape Orbit (Talk) 18:16, 26 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]
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