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The result was no consensus. No prejudice against speedy renomination per low participation. North America¹⁰⁰⁰ 05:30, 16 October 2018 (UTC)[reply]

Se Acabo

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Unsourced, does not meet WP:NSONG, did not chart. May be redirected to The Beatnuts per note 1 on NSONG. » Shadowowl | talk 17:38, 17 September 2018 (UTC)[reply]

Note: This discussion has been included in the list of Music-related deletion discussions. CAPTAIN RAJU^(T) 17:41, 17 September 2018 (UTC)[reply]

Note: This discussion has been included in the list of Albums and songs-related deletion discussions. CAPTAIN RAJU^(T) 17:41, 17 September 2018 (UTC)[reply]

Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion and clearer consensus.
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Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion and clearer consensus.
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Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion and clearer consensus.
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Keep. I am not fond of this song's explicit and sexually charged lyrics (perhaps even denigrating), but when deciding on keeping or deleting an article, I seek, of course, notability (WP:N) and distinctiveness. I was ready to recommend a redirect for this one, but then I re-read the article and noticed that this particular song is remarkable in that it has crossed language and cultural fences, been adapted and adopted in the Spanish and English languages and reproduced broadly (see here for its popularity in France). This is supported by the sources, which unfortunately do not appear in the article yet. So, simply listing the song among the others would have missed what makes this song special, namely, that differently from the other songs in the album, it went beyond the Beatnuts, crossing into merengue and appearing even in Portuguese, Duth and Finnish charts. Artists like Swinger, Magic Juan (see here) and even the renown Mexican singer, Marco Antonio Muñiz (see here), adapted it. And then it was remixed in English featuring Method Man (see also here). In 1999, Vibe (Volume 7, Issues 7-10 - Page 268) had this to say about the song: "'Se Acabo' is their first strictly Spanish smoker, with a scene-stealing appearance by Proyecto Uno's Magic Juan." Btw, some of the previous links take you to WP:RS, which adds strength to the Keep argument by showing the coverage in the mainstream media. Still, I can be persuaded to the other side. Den... (talk) 16:30, 14 October 2018 (UTC)[reply]

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 *'''Keep'''. I am not fond of this song's explicit and sexually charged [https://www.vagalume.com.br/the-beatnuts/se-acabo.html lyrics] (perhaps even denigrating), but when deciding on keeping or deleting an article, I seek, of course, notability ([[WP:N]]) and distinctiveness. I was ready to recommend a redirect for this one, but then I re-read the article and noticed that this particular song is remarkable in that it has crossed language and cultural fences, been adapted and adopted in the [https://books.google.com.pr/books?id=-GW8ceoZEg0C&pg=PA30&dq=beatnuts+%22Se+Acabo%22+-wikipedia&hl=en&sa=X&ved=0ahUKEwidt86XqYbeAhXJt1kKHeJEAm0Q6AEIRTAG#v=onepage&q=beatnuts%20%22Se%20Acabo%22%20-wikipedia&f=false Spanish] and [https://303magazine.com/2017/01/review-hip-hop-heads-nutty-beatnuts/ English languages] and reproduced broadly (see [https://www.quefaire.be/the-beatnuts-tournee-894206.shtml here] for its popularity in France). This is supported by the sources, which unfortunately do not appear in the article yet. So, simply listing the song among the others would have missed what makes this song special, namely, that differently from the other songs in the album, it went beyond the [https://www.festivall-app.com/festivals/hip-hop-kemp/artists/the-beatnuts/2018 Beatnuts], crossing into [[Merengue music|merengue]] and appearing even in [https://portuguesecharts.com/showperson.asp?name=Psycho+Les Portuguese], [https://dutchcharts.nl/showitem.asp?interpret=The+Beatnuts+feat%2E+Magic+Juan+from+Proyecto+Uno+%26+Swinger&titel=Se+acabo+%28It%27s+Over%29&cat=s Duth] and [https://finnishcharts.com/showperson.asp?name=JuJu Finnish] charts. Artists like Swinger, Magic Juan (see [https://books.google.com.pr/books?id=yicEAAAAMBAJ&pg=PA171&lpg=PA171&dq=Beatnuts+%22Magic+Juan%22+%22Se+Acabo%22+-wikipedia&source=bl&ots=KNdrYWScPJ&sig=BshpNFgyQ8j5gNo8yvRqe50_FKE&hl=en&sa=X&ved=2ahUKEwj6w76-m4beAhXPs1kKHYXOANQ4MhDoATAHegQIKhAB#v=onepage here]) and even the renown Mexican singer, Marco Antonio Muñiz (see [[iarchive:78_se-acabo_marco-antonio-muniz-orquesta-de-luid-cardena-gutierrez_gbia0022608b|here]]), adapted it. And then it was remixed in English featuring [https://www.moshtix.com.au/v2/event/the-ny-invasion-tour-feat-the-beatnuts-jeru-the-damaja/17870 Method Man] (see also [http://www.mtv.com/news/1425563/beatnuts-show-off-their-latin-roots-team-with-method-man/ here]). In 1999, ''[[Vibe (magazine)|Vibe]]'' (Volume 7, Issues 7-10 - Page 268) had this to say about the song: [https://books.google.com.pr/books?id=08wiAQAAMAAJ&q=beatnuts+%22Se+Acabo%22+-wikipedia&dq=beatnuts+%22Se+Acabo%22+-wikipedia&hl=en&sa=X&ved=0ahUKEwidt86XqYbeAhXJt1kKHeJEAm0Q6AEIQTAF "'Se Acabo' is their first strictly Spanish smoker, with a scene-stealing appearance by Proyecto Uno's Magic Juan."] Btw, some of the previous links take you to [[WP:RS]], which adds strength to the Keep argument by showing the coverage in the mainstream media. Still, I can be persuaded to the other side. [[User:Den...|Den...]] ([[User talk:Den...|talk]]) 16:30, 14 October 2018 (UTC)
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