Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Aasan R. Rajendran

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The result was delete. Sandstein 20:18, 22 October 2018 (UTC)

Aasan R. Rajendran

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Non-notable martial artist - does not meet WP:MANOTE. This was a contested Prod by the original author. Length of practice is not an indication of notability. PRehse (talk) 12:04, 7 October 2018 (UTC)

Note: This discussion has been included in the list of Martial arts-related deletion discussions. PRehse (talk) 12:05, 7 October 2018 (UTC)

Note: This discussion has been included in the list of India-related deletion discussions. CAPTAIN RAJU^(T) 13:39, 7 October 2018 (UTC)

Note: This discussion has been included in the list of Sportspeople-related deletion discussions. CAPTAIN RAJU^(T) 13:40, 7 October 2018 (UTC)

• Comment Doesn't appear to meet any of the notability criteria for martial artists at WP:MANOTE. His art appears to be very small and not notable. There's also no supporting evidence for the claims of healing people. There is some coverage of him, but it's questionable whether it's enough to meet WP:GNG. The coverage appears to be in the feature (aka human interest) sections of local papers and in an interview on a source of unknown reliability. WP:RS says these types of story are to be considered less reliable than actual news stories. I will wait to vote to see if better sources get added. Papaursa (talk) 20:48, 11 October 2018 (UTC)

Reply : "Varmakkalai" is an dying ancient martial art which has been taught and its medical system were properly used to treat people by Aasan R. Rajendran. The organizations "The Hindu" and "The New Indian Express" are top news papers of India(2 articles were quoted in our wiki page), following to it "Dinamalar" is one of the top South India news media (Please consider translating those pages and SBS Australia's Interview from our native language Tamil to English). Request not to consider the article for deletion as Aasan R. Rajendran has dedicated his life to save this art which is yet to get the limelight in media due to its unpolished and raw look. This Wikipedia page would be a small resource for people to know about the truth about his service to this martial art/medical system. Please consider. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Indaravind (talk • contribs)

Do you have any independent reliable sources that show it's a beneficial medical system? The papers you mentioned are large, but the articles on him appeared as human interest stories in local sections. It would be good if you could provide other sources. Papaursa (talk) 19:09, 13 October 2018 (UTC)

Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion and clearer consensus.
Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks, Sandstein 18:41, 14 October 2018 (UTC)

• Comment Thanks for considering and asking about the details. Varmakkalai (a.k.a Varma Therapy) is famous for treating neuro disorders like Spine problems, Epilepsy and Movement disorders etc. Here are few articles which could explain its capability for your consideration.
• https://www.thehindu.com/sci-tech/health/policy-and-issues/Epilepsy-is-fairly-common-and-manageable/article16855584.ece
• https://innovareacademics.in/journals/index.php/ajpcr/article/view/12783
• http://www.atimes.com/article/varmakalai-deadly-art-thats-dying/
• https://www.nhp.gov.in/special-therapies_mtl (Indian Govt. website for this art) — Preceding unsigned comment added by Indaravind (talk • contribs) 04:05, 15 October 2018 (UTC)
• Keep Regardless of the veracity of his claims, he has sustained and significant coverage in the Indian English language press. He meets WP:GNG, which means his failure to meet WP:MANOTE is irrelevant. Article needs improvement, not deletion. Simonm223 (talk) 14:36, 16 October 2018 (UTC)
• Delete Fails WP:ANYBIO and WP:GNG..

• This piece is non-serious reporting and the page regularly features random interesting persons from the local belt.
• City-supplements of major Indian dailies are notoriously famous for their promotional-spam.This piece reads:--It is such a unique, comprehensive martial art, which assimilates other martial art forms into it.........Rajendran's current `dream project' is to..........For more information or enrolment, contact Rajendran at 2382137.
• Trivialest of trivial coverage.His name is featured as one holding a health-camp, in a list of numerous events, happening in the city.
• This does not mention the subject in any form or manner.
• Publication in a predatory journal doesn't indicate anything.
• This does not cover the subject.
• This does not cover the subject.∯WBG^converse 07:28, 18 October 2018 (UTC)
• Comment the first two refs were the basis for my keep !vote - if you can point to some discussion of Indian dailies as reliable sources for asserting notability I'd be open to changing my !vote, but I do prefer not to down-play the value of journalistic sources just because they came from outside Europe and North America so I would want to see some sort of evidence that there's consensus on this view.Simonm223 (talk) 12:33, 18 October 2018 (UTC)

• The issues related to the broader types of our second source have been dicussed quite a lot, over ITNB. And, irrespective of which country they originate from, that's the very definition of non-intellectually-independent reporting, with a side-aim of promotion. The style of narrative is self-evident.
• As to the first one, I used to read that paper regularly (am from India) and the statement comes from my experience.So, you can choose to disagree:-)But, as Papaursa sez above, it's precisely human interest stories in local sections. ∯WBG^converse 05:15, 20 October 2018 (UTC)

• Comment Thanks for taking time to check the links and reply/vote.

• Please check the short description with an audio interview by SBS, Australia - https://www.sbs.com.au/yourlanguage/tamil/en/audiotrack/varma-kalaimartial-art-healing-touch?language=en
• Article mentioning Aasan R Rajendran in Medium.com - https://medium.com/@Bollywoodirect/22-years-of-hindustani-indian-23-08-1996-fbcdf4c02539

The other articles mentioned earlier were to justify Varmakkalai art as a reply for Papaursa. This will not have any mention about our subject. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Indaravind (talk • contribs) 15:02, 19 October 2018 (UTC)

• SBS radio and it's associates often indulged in paid-for-information campaigns for random entities. I see that the current version of the site has either deleted the self-declaration or shifted it to a lesser-accesible place. At any case, esp. in conjunction with the general apathy of wiki-community against treating interviews as reliable indicators of notability, thr SBS source does not lend any to notability.
• Medium.com is an unreliable source being a self-publishing platform and even then, the source allots a trivial mention to the subject in the castlist of a film, as a choreographer.
• Please declare your conflict of interest and as to whether this account is being used by any individual or is shared. ∯WBG^converse 05:38, 20 October 2018 (UTC)

• Delete Thanks to the contributions of Indaravind, I think there's enough sourcing to indicate the martial art meets WP:GNG. However, I believe that Rajendran lacks the significant independent coverage from reliable sources required to meet that standard. He's not mentioned in the articles that are focused on the art and merely practicing a martial art for a long time is not grounds for notability. Papaursa (talk) 17:12, 20 October 2018 (UTC)

• Comment - This account is not shared and used only by me. Thanks for your continuous patronage to review articles. As said earlier, this martial is dying and does not have social media limelight yet. So, there are the only references we have so far. Please let me know if I can remove the links which are recently added to maintain its state as before (Oct 3). — Preceding unsigned comment added by Indaravind (talk • contribs) 03:09, 22 October 2018 (UTC)
• Neutral My well-known gripes about WP:MANOTE and WP:MMANOT notwithstanding, I'll defer to WBG's judgment here as they have a better grasp of the local media landscape. I tend to err inclusionist WRT BLPs, and I still probably lean slightly toward keep but not enough to want to try and argue to keep it if the general sense from others is that it should be deleted. TL;DR - I'm not sure whether my keep !vote would be more policy derived or based on my particular policy complaints and am stepping out of this one. Simonm223 (talk) 11:55, 22 October 2018 (UTC)
• delete Definitely fails WP:MANOTE. The GNG is a closer call, but I don't think the sources are quite good enough. Thanks to WBG for his efforts.Sandals1 (talk) 15:31, 22 October 2018 (UTC)

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