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User:Neveselbert

• Neveselbert (t · th · c ^{(RM/TR · RMs)} · del · cross-wiki · SUL · edit counter · pages created (xtools · sigma) · non-automated edits · BLP edits · undos · manual reverts · rollbacks · logs ^{(blocks · rights · moves)} · CSD log · rfar · spi · cci) (assign permissions)^(notify)

As an editor with over 80,000 edits since joining in 2015, I'm also a pending changes reviewer. I've moved over 2,000 pages during my time, made over 200 edits at WP:RM/TR to request uncontroversial page moves and participated almost 400 times in requested moves.

My immediate need for this permission stems from my efforts to retitle redirects in line with policies such as WP:CONCISE and WP:PRECISE. I'm currently unable to move dozens of redirects I've created to more appropriate titles because the desired titles already exist with different tags. This process would be far more efficient with the page mover tool, allowing me to address these titles without requiring frequent requests at WP:RM/TR. Thanks, ‑‑Neveselbert (talk · contribs · email) 20:48, 20 December 2024 (UTC)

Neveselbert, can you give me a few examples of the redirects you're talking about? Why is it necessary to move them instead of just copying over the tags? I'll also say I'm concerned about all of this: while page mover is a somewhat less sensitive permission than template editor, it's still one that requires a lot of care, especially if you're planning on moving large numbers of pages at once. Extraordinary Writ (talk) 11:00, 21 December 2024 (UTC)

Hi Extraordinary Writ, I'm referring to the redirects in Category:Premierships of Great Britain and Category:Premierships of the United Kingdom, the majority of which I created years ago. As for why it's necessary, WP:CUTPASTE is one reason, as I'd like to maintain the page history, and another is that it's extremely tedious to have to copy over tags and categories over dozens of pages. As for the template editor issue, I made a mistake under pressure at a time when I wasn't in a good place. I apologised and accepted that my conduct fell short of what was required, although I would point out that I managed to remain in relatively good stead as a TE for about six years. I'm proposing to use the PM right sparingly, and the only number of pages I would move at once would be these redirects and those requested at WP:RM/T. ‑‑Neveselbert (talk · contribs · email) 22:16, 21 December 2024 (UTC)

So the idea is to move redirects like Premiership of Augustus FitzRoy, 3rd Duke of Grafton to titles like Premiership of the Duke of Grafton? I don't really understand why that'd be worth doing: both redirects are valid, and it's not worth worrying about which title is best when there isn't an article yet. (I realize only one redirect can be in the category, but still...) I suspect if you requested one of these at RM/TR, it'd be declined as not a useful move. Is there something I'm missing? Extraordinary Writ (talk) 10:26, 22 December 2024 (UTC)

I find the page history argument to be lacking; I suspect there is little to no substantial history on a majority of these sorts of redirects (especially, as you say, if they were all created by yourself). Moving a redirect to another redirect and then editing the original redirect to point to the original target just to save a copy/paste seems like more effort than just editing the second redirect. Primefac (talk) 12:48, 22 December 2024 (UTC)

It would be vastly less effort with WP:AWB, which I have experience with. I'd just have to substitute {{target of}} after the fact. A copy/paste for dozens of redirects isn't something I'd be able to automate. ‑‑Neveselbert (talk · contribs · email) 19:44, 22 December 2024 (UTC)

@Extraordinary Writ: Yes, that's the general idea. I think it's worth doing on a personal level since I created the vast majority of these redirects in the first place. Both are valid, of course, but I feel the more concise titles would be more in line with WP:TITLECON. For example, both First premiership of the Duke of Wellington and Death and state funeral of the Duke of Wellington will be in the same category, Category:Arthur Wellesley, 1st Duke of Wellington. In any case, it's far more likely that such a premiership(s) article will follow the same pattern as the "Death and state funeral" title, so this would save having to swap categories and the like from First premiership of Arthur Wellesley, 1st Duke of Wellington to First premiership of the Duke of Wellington. It's a tedious task but one I'd appreciate the ability to undertake. ‑‑Neveselbert (talk · contribs · email) 19:39, 22 December 2024 (UTC)

I am not comfortable handing out page-mover when your main use case is unusual and difficult-to-justify moves; I think they deserve more scrutiny than they'd get if you were making them unilaterally. I'm also not sure why you think page mover would save you time: these would have to be individual round-robin swaps, which take at least as long as copying and pasting.  Not done. I continue to think you'd be better off leaving well enough alone here, but if this particular set of moves is really important to you, leave me a note and we can try to find a way forward. Extraordinary Writ (talk) 06:34, 23 December 2024 (UTC)

User:ToadetteEdit

• ToadetteEdit (t · th · c ^{(RM/TR · RMs)} · del · cross-wiki · SUL · edit counter · pages created (xtools · sigma) · non-automated edits · BLP edits · undos · manual reverts · rollbacks · logs ^{(blocks · rights · moves)} · CSD log · rfar · spi · cci) (assign permissions)^(notify)

Good evening! I have had this permission on a temporary basis on May 20th of this year. I had then requested an extension of said right but was declined on the basis of weak communication capabilities and questionable RM closures being made during my trial. Four months passed, and I therefore request to receive the right (okay for another temporary basis to prove my competency).

A month ago, I returned to wp:RM/TR clerking, contesting certain requests and processing them. I could only process (fulfill) the simplest requests, that is, requests that don't require use of the suppressredirect, tboverride or delete-redirect rights bundled with the requesting user group in question. Having page mover rights will enable me to process more pending requests rather than wait for another user to fulfill them.

I am also planning to return back to NPP and AFC activity, due to the fact that I will be on holiday (and therefore, increased online activity) and due to the upcoming backlog drive for the former. suppressredirect would be helpful to carry out draftifications, and also to allow moving drafts to titles which have history that would've been eligible for G6 deletion.

For obvious reasons, I will not (and must not) work in the requested moves venue outside RM/TR (disclaimer:I have been topic banned from closing/relisting discussions four months ago). I have also improved my communication skills and will try to be as clear as possible. I am open to any questions regarding this request or my competency.

Thank you for reading my request. ToadetteEdit (talk) 15:57, 22 December 2024 (UTC)

 Not done. I'm glad that there have been fewer issues in the last couple of months, but when the previous problems were so extensive they led to a topic ban, four months isn't long enough for me to be comfortable re-granting the right. For now, maybe consider participating in RM discussions: not only is it recommended for would-be page movers, it's a great way to show both knowledge of policy and improved communication skills. Extraordinary Writ (talk) 01:51, 23 December 2024 (UTC)

So... I will attempt to participate in RMs more. Thank yoi for responding to my request. ToadetteEdit (talk) 07:33, 23 December 2024 (UTC)

User:Panda Arun

• Panda Arun (requesting Autopatrolled, Page mover) (t · th · c ^{(RM/TR · RMs)} · del · cross-wiki · SUL · edit counter · pages created (xtools · sigma) · non-automated edits · BLP edits · undos · manual reverts · rollbacks · logs ^{(blocks · rights · moves)} · CSD log · rfar · spi · cci) (assign permissions)^(notify)

Reason for Requesting page mover rights. Panda Arun (talk) 20:53, 23 December 2024 (UTC)

 Not done. Primefac (talk) 20:54, 23 December 2024 (UTC)