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== Equipment section! ==
* RM, Donbass People's Militia → United Armed Forces of Novorossiya, '''Moved''', 18 September 2014, [[Talk:Russian separatist forces in Donbas/Archive 1#Time to rename the article?]]
* RM, United Armed Forces of Novorossiya → Separatists forces of the War in Donbass, '''Moved''', 11 August 2016, [[Talk:Russian separatist forces in Donbas/Archive 1#Requested move 4 August 2016]]
* Separatist forces in Donbass → Russian Separatist forces in Donbass, '''Moved''', 5 April 2021 ([https://en.wikipedia.org/enwiki/w/index.php?title=Russian_separatist_forces_in_Donbas&diff=1016074641&oldid=1016074072 no discussion])
* RM, Russian separatist forces in Donbas → Separatist forces in Donbas, '''Not Moved''', 16 October 2021, [[Talk:Russian separatist forces in Donbas/Archive 1#Requested move 16 October 2021]]
* RM, Russian separatist forces in Donbas → Pro-Russian separatist forces in Donbas, '''Not Moved''', 13 August 2022, [[Talk:Russian_people%27s_militias_in_Ukraine/Archive_1#Requested_move_13_August_2022]]
* RM, Russian people's militias in Ukraine → Collaborationist Ukrainian Army, '''Not Moved''', 15 November 2022, [[Talk:Russian_people%27s_militias_in_Ukraine#Requested_move_15_November_2022]]
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All sources for the relevant section are Russian yellow press or independent propaganda sites (i.e., ultimately, self-published). [[WP:RS|Reliable sources]] are needed, particularly when speculating on the nationality of volunteers who have joined the separatists. --[[User:Iryna Harpy|Iryna Harpy]] ([[User talk:Iryna Harpy|talk]]) 10:36, 1 September 2014 (UTC)
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Both [http://www.kyivpost.com/content/ukraine/kremlin-backed-rebels-form-novorossiya-army-364887.html Kiev] & [http://en.itar-tass.com/world/749812 Moscow] sources reported on September 16 the creation of the "United Armed Forces of Novorossiya", so I think that the article should be renamed and expanded to the rest of Lugansk battallions (Zarya, for example).--[[User:HCPUNXKID|<font color="Purple">HC</font>]][[User_talk:HCPUNXKID|<font color="Gold">PUNX</font>]]<font color="Purple">KID</font> 22:51, 18 September 2014 (UTC)
::Go ahead. [[User:RGloucester|<span style="font-family:Monotype Corsiva;font-size:12pt;color:#000000">RGloucester </span>]] — [[User talk:RGloucester|☎]] 23:02, 18 September 2014 (UTC)

== New page for Equipment ==

As Iryna Harpy mentioned, the article is getting too lengthy due to the equipment section. Now that the militias merged into a single group, we should move the section into a new page called "List of equipment of the United Armed Forces of Novorossiya". [[User:SkoraPobeda|SkoraPobeda]] ([[User talk:SkoraPobeda|talk]]) 14:14, 20 September 2014 (UTC)
:'''Support''': too many content for one article [[Special:Contributions/94.45.129.180|94.45.129.180]] ([[User talk:94.45.129.180|talk]]) 19:29, 26 September 2014 (UTC)

== There is also a Batman unit. ==

Don't know who commands it. They have a bat patch.

http://www.militaryphotos.net/forums/attachment.php?attachmentid=226850&d=1414697342 <span style="font-size: smaller;" class="autosigned">— Preceding [[Wikipedia:Signatures|unsigned]] comment added by [[Special:Contributions/199.7.137.211|199.7.137.211]] ([[User talk:199.7.137.211|talk]]) 22:01, 30 October 2014 (UTC)</span><!-- Template:Unsigned IP --> <!--Autosigned by SineBot-->
:Er, not exactly sourced evidence, is it. Find some [[WP:RS]], not a photo with someone's own childhood batsignal flag used to personalise the military vehicle they use. --[[User:Iryna Harpy|Iryna Harpy]] ([[User talk:Iryna Harpy|talk]]) 00:08, 2 November 2014 (UTC)
::The Batman unit is commanded by Alexander Bednov. http://www.kyivpost.com/content/ukraine/a-prelude-to-a-farce-prearranged-ballots-for-kremlin-backed-breakaway-regions-370349.html <small class="autosigned">— Preceding [[Wikipedia:Signatures|unsigned]] comment added by [[Special:Contributions/199.7.137.211|199.7.137.211]] ([[User talk:199.7.137.211|talk]]) 22:23, 5 November 2014 (UTC)</small><!-- Template:Unsigned IP --> <!--Autosigned by SineBot-->
:::Thanks for that. Do you know whether they are directly affiliated with the [[Army of the South-East]]? It would be useful if you could provide their name in Russian or Ukrainian for further sources and information. --[[User:Iryna Harpy|Iryna Harpy]] ([[User talk:Iryna Harpy|talk]]) 20:38, 7 November 2014 (UTC)
::::AFAIK it is an independent unit affiliated with the NAF. <small class="autosigned">— Preceding [[Wikipedia:Signatures|unsigned]] comment added by [[Special:Contributions/199.7.137.211|199.7.137.211]] ([[User talk:199.7.137.211|talk]]) 21:33, 7 November 2014 (UTC)</small><!-- Template:Unsigned IP --> <!--Autosigned by SineBot-->
:::::Well, I ran a [https://www.google.com.au/search?q=%D0%91%D1%8D%D1%82%D0%BC%D0%B5%D0%BD+%D0%B2%D0%BE%D0%B5%D0%BD%D0%BD%D1%8B%D0%B9+%D0%91%D0%B5%D0%B4%D0%BD%D0%BE%D0%B2&ie=utf-8&oe=utf-8&aq=t&rls=org.mozilla:en-GB:official&client=firefox-a&channel=rcs&gfe_rd=cr&ei=KKxeVOv2HqeN8Qex5IGoCw google search] in Russian based on the info you've provided, but it doesn't yield any reliable sources for further information, I'm afraid. That's not to say that there aren't some sources, but they're they're so [[WP:SPAM]] that I wouldn't be able to use them for the purposes of Wikipedia. --[[User:Iryna Harpy|Iryna Harpy]] ([[User talk:Iryna Harpy|talk]]) 23:55, 8 November 2014 (UTC)
::::::After your long wait, I finally added it. We also have the SSI and flag of it thanks to [[User:MrPenguin20|MrPenguin20]]. [[User:SkoraPobeda|SkoraPobeda]] ([[User talk:SkoraPobeda|talk]]) 19:39, 4 April 2015 (UTC)
:::::::Thanks for the hard work you've put into salvaging the article, {{u|SkoraPobeda}} and {{u|MrPenguin20}}. --[[User:Iryna Harpy|Iryna Harpy]] ([[User talk:Iryna Harpy|talk]]) 06:01, 5 April 2015 (UTC)
::::::::No problem Iryna! [[User:SkoraPobeda|SkoraPobeda]] ([[User talk:SkoraPobeda|talk]]) 18:04, 5 April 2015 (UTC)

== another unit, the Rusich reconnaissance and assault unit ==

They have a sunwheel patch.

http://www.liveleak.com/view?i=adf_1413145576&comments=1 <small class="autosigned">— Preceding [[Wikipedia:Signatures|unsigned]] comment added by [[Special:Contributions/199.7.137.211|199.7.137.211]] ([[User talk:199.7.137.211|talk]]) 21:35, 7 November 2014 (UTC)</small><!-- Template:Unsigned IP --> <!--Autosigned by SineBot-->
: Just added it. It was disbanded last month. [[User:SkoraPobeda|SkoraPobeda]] ([[User talk:SkoraPobeda|talk]]) 20:24, 7 August 2015 (UTC)

== Aliya unit's patch ==

http://www.ljplus.ru/img4/s/t/starshinazapasa/alia.jpg

http://www.globalterrorwatch.ch/wp/wp-content/uploads/2014/09/Battalion-Aliya.png <small class="autosigned">— Preceding [[Wikipedia:Signatures|unsigned]] comment added by [[Special:Contributions/199.7.137.211|199.7.137.211]] ([[User talk:199.7.137.211|talk]]) 21:42, 7 November 2014 (UTC)</small><!-- Template:Unsigned IP --> <!--Autosigned by SineBot-->

== not facebook ==

To the anon IP who keeps adding a link to the photo gallery from Vkontakte [https://en.wikipedia.org/enwiki/w/index.php?title=United_Armed_Forces_of_Novorossiya&diff=prev&oldid=632914966] - from your edit summary it appears you've misunderstood my point. Yes, I know Vkontakte is the Russian version of Facebook. But that is precisely why it's not encyclopedic and why it's not appropriate to include a link here. When I said "Not Facebook" I did NOT mean "it's not Facebook so we can't put it here". What I meant is "<u>Wikipedia</u> is not Facebook, or Vkontakte, so we can't put it here. It's an encyclopedia not a social networking site". See [[WP:NOTFACEBOOK]].<span style="border:1px solid black;padding:1px;">[[User:Volunteer Marek|<font style="color:blue;background:orange;font-family:sans-serif;">'''&nbsp;Volunteer Marek&nbsp;'''</font>]]</span> 04:40, 8 November 2014 (UTC)
:Note, also, that linking to such a site is considered to be [[WP:SPAM]]. --[[User:Iryna Harpy|Iryna Harpy]] ([[User talk:Iryna Harpy|talk]]) 00:30, 9 November 2014 (UTC)

== is this even real ==

Borodai says that "Novorossia" is a dead concept and rebels themselves on the ground refer to the "Armed Forces of the Donetsk People's Republic", not the "NAF" - is this original research at this point to attribute this group as a functioning unit? It certainly is not centralized. --'''[[User:Lvivske|LeVivsky]]''' <small><span style="color:#FF0000">(</span>[[User talk:Lvivske|ಠ_ಠ]]<span style="color:#FF0000">)</span></small> 02:13, 27 January 2015 (UTC)
::I have no idea whether it exists or not. We have the [http://www.kyivpost.com/content/ukraine/kremlin-backed-rebels-form-novorossiya-army-364887.html sources] that say it was formed, but not much else. It isn't "original research" in that sense, at least, because we didn't make up the concept. I have no way of verifying anything on the ground, so really there is nothing to be done unless someone can provide an RS that definitely says that the merger of the militias failed. [[User:RGloucester|<span style="font-family:Monotype Corsiva;font-size:12pt;color:#000000">RGloucester </span>]] — [[User talk:RGloucester|☎]] 02:16, 27 January 2015 (UTC)

== "Aliyah" Battalion ==

"Aliyah" battalion was an immigrant battalion used by the Israeli army for settlement patrol. Later it began a registered non-profit association dedicated to direct Russian-speakers in Israel's attention to fight againt "terrorism and violence" (See Russian Wikipedia article: https://ru.wikipedia.org/wiki/%D0%91%D0%B0%D1%82%D0%B0%D0%BB%D1%8C%D0%BE%D0%BD_%C2%AB%D0%90%D0%BB%D0%B8%D1%8F%C2%BB). It was disbanded around 2002.

A person called "Avigdor Eskin" (Авигдор Эскин) strolls around telling that he is the establisher of this organization, which is not true. No Israelis are fighting in Donetsk and there is not evidence to establish that they call themselves "Aliyah" or acting on behalf of the Israeli government. The patch depicted in the pictures article is a patch of the IDF and was not seen in Ukraine whatsoever. The picture of the patch is from Israel and not a recent one.

Israeli Russian-speaking Channel 9 article of this "Aliyah Battalion". http://9tv.co.il/news/2014/06/02/177085.html Note the comments speaking of it being not true. Israel's ambassador to Ukraine, Reuven Din-El, has said that "No Israelis are fighting in Ukraine" http://evreiskiy.kiev.ua/posol-izrailja-v-ukraine-batalon-alija-13365.html

Please erase that for it is not true. 12:52, 4 February 2015 (UTC) <small><span class="autosigned">—&nbsp;Preceding [[Wikipedia:Signatures|unsigned]] comment added by [[User:Moto53|Moto53]] ([[User talk:Moto53|talk]] • [[Special:Contributions/Moto53|contribs]]) </span></small><!-- Template:Unsigned --> <!--Autosigned by SineBot-->

== How to stop anonymous delete ==

{{archivetop|Wrong venue - [[User:Knowledgekid87|Knowledgekid87]] ([[User talk:Knowledgekid87|talk]]) 00:56, 12 February 2015 (UTC)}}

There is this IP (94.45.129.180) that is constantly deleting my contributions about Essence of Time armed division (in Vostok) and Bryanca SSSR (in Prizrak). I'm now here on Wikipedia, there is a way to stop him? <small><span class="autosigned">—&nbsp;Preceding [[Wikipedia:Signatures|unsigned]] comment added by [[User:Mhorg|Mhorg]] ([[User talk:Mhorg|talk]] • [[Special:Contributions/Mhorg|contribs]]) 00:36, 11 February 2015 (UTC)</span></small><!-- Template:Unsigned --> <!--Autosigned by SineBot-->
:Dear Mhorg, please stop adding "Essence of Time" advertising, based on their claims. <br> '''Firstly''', [http://en.wikipedia.org/enwiki/w/index.php?title=United_Armed_Forces_of_Novorossiya&diff=646576586&oldid=646404230| citating] sources are: 1)YouTube Video (at "Essence of time" youtube channel) 2)"Essence of time" site. <br> It is a '''violation''' of following '''WP rules''': 1) [http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Verifiability#Self-published_and_questionable_sources_as_sources_on_themselves| Self-published sources as sources on themselves] 2) [http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:No_original_research#Reliable_sources| Original research] - Not confirmed by sources, other than "Essence of time". It is impossible to find this information even on separatist sources. <br> '''Secondly''', these edits are not [http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Neutral_point_of_view| neutral] ("liberation of Donetsk airport"). [[Special:Contributions/94.45.129.180|94.45.129.180]] ([[User talk:94.45.129.180|talk]]) 13:32, 11 February 2015 (UTC)
::The presence of an armed force of "Essence of Time" Movement is a fact, documented many times by Graham Phillips and other sources that are now in Donbass. The group had three killed during the defence of Monasters. Whats needed more? http://www.phillip-butler.com/uncommon-valor-the-bbc-forgot/ comment added by [[User:Mhorg|Mhorg]] ([[User talk:Mhorg|talk]]) 1:47, 12 February 2015 (UTC)
:::Take it to [[WP:ANI]] please. - [[User:Knowledgekid87|Knowledgekid87]] ([[User talk:Knowledgekid87|talk]]) 00:56, 12 February 2015 (UTC)
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== my revert of a non-neutral source ==

I made [https://en.wikipedia.org/enwiki/w/index.php?title=United_Armed_Forces_of_Novorossiya&diff=655706694&oldid=655531624 this revert] because it was referenced from a clearly non-neutral source. Unfortunately Ukraine is at an information war, so statements about opponents must be carefully filtered in wikipedia. [[User:Staszek Lem|Staszek Lem]] ([[User talk:Staszek Lem|talk]]) 17:35, 9 April 2015 (UTC)
:I'm in agreement with you on being cautious about the screening process for sources. This is a matter that's been brought up time and time again with regards to events in Ukraine. Mouthpieces for either side (be it government outlets like RT, Sputnik, ''et al'', or Euromaidan press) are [[WP:BIASED]] sources which are fine for presenting official positions where they're DUE, but not RS within the context of this article. As it stands, VM has added an RS for inclusion. --[[User:Iryna Harpy|Iryna Harpy]] ([[User talk:Iryna Harpy|talk]]) 23:03, 10 April 2015 (UTC)

== RNU Volunteer Corps structure flag ==

The reason why I reverted it is because the flags on the side are for the most notable battalions and brigades. The RNU Volunteer Corps have neither been notable enough or big in size to just put that swastika-having flag in the middle of all the other flags. Show me at least two recent RS about the RNU being active in the fighting for Donetsk Airport or Debaltseve. If not, then you're showing me that you just want it there so that people can see that there are neo-nazis in the militias. No kidding, there's all sorts of volunteers in it ranging from communists to monarchists. [[User:SkoraPobeda|SkoraPobeda]] ([[User talk:SkoraPobeda|talk]]) 14:56, 10 April 2015 (UTC)

:The sources are already given. They don't have to be recent to make the unit important. This is an encyclopedia not a newspaper.[[User:Volunteer Marek|Volunteer Marek]] ([[User talk:Volunteer Marek|talk]]) 15:21, 10 April 2015 (UTC)
::So basically a neo-nazi unit with probably less than 100 people is as important as Vostok, Sparta, or Somalia? By that logic, I can throw in the Chetnik flag just because I feel that 250 Jovan Šević fighters are as important as they are. [[User:SkoraPobeda|SkoraPobeda]] ([[User talk:SkoraPobeda|talk]]) 15:36, 10 April 2015 (UTC)
:::They're important because they're getting covered in reliable sources.[[User:Volunteer Marek|Volunteer Marek]] ([[User talk:Volunteer Marek|talk]]) 17:16, 10 April 2015 (UTC)
I reviewed the coverage for RNU, bout in refs and in google. Here are my two major findings:
* there is no "RNU Volunteer Corps" in English news.
*The section in question says: "armed groups, which took the oath for Donetsk People's Republic". I saw no evidence of any major neo-nazi military unit taking this oath and operating under an identified name.
Therefore I would agree with deletion per [[WP:NOR]] until better evidence.

That said, there is indeed the evidence that RNU, Dugin's, and others are volunteering in Donbas. But they are included in other formations, either individually or as [[company (military)|companies]], but not as a major military unit worth notice. This may be a subject of another article, about [[Russian volunteers in Donbas]]. Do we have any? [[User:Staszek Lem|Staszek Lem]] ([[User talk:Staszek Lem|talk]]) 19:19, 10 April 2015 (UTC)

Now, about " so that people can see that there are neo-nazis in the militias". As it is, there is nothing wrong with this. There is plenty of noise that there are neo-nazis on the Ukrainian side. Same goes with Russian side, right? In any revolution, civil war, etc., thugs and extremists are only happy to flex muscle and are welcome until victory and then quietly gotten rid of not to mar an image of the "Victorious Truth and Justice". [[User:Staszek Lem|Staszek Lem]] ([[User talk:Staszek Lem|talk]]) 19:25, 10 April 2015 (UTC)

:RNU they have a web page for advertising of volunteers and the name of the unit is "RNU Volunteer Corps" in Englisch [http://vk.com/rne_mos] <small><span class="autosigned">—&nbsp;Preceding [[Wikipedia:Signatures|unsigned]] comment added by [[User:Hamburg322|Hamburg322]] ([[User talk:Hamburg322|talk]] • [[Special:Contributions/Hamburg322|contribs]]) 20:01, 10 April 2015 (UTC)</span></small><!-- Template:Unsigned --> <!--Autosigned by SineBot-->
:And always post pictures of as volunteers at the front with the RNU patch <small><span class="autosigned">—&nbsp;Preceding [[Wikipedia:Signatures|unsigned]] comment added by [[User:Hamburg322|Hamburg322]] ([[User talk:Hamburg322|talk]] • [[Special:Contributions/Hamburg322|contribs]]) 20:10, 10 April 2015 (UTC)</span></small><!-- Template:Unsigned --> <!--Autosigned by SineBot-->
::If that's their page, then they are in reality called the "RNU Volunteer Units", not "Corps". As for Staszek's question, we don't currently have any article like that. What we can do is create a new one called "Foreign volunteers in Donbass". If it would be an article just for the Russian volunteers, it could become a stub. But if it was about foreign volunteers, we can put all of the units that are not officially pledged to the DPR or LPR and Ukraine. We can use the sources from the War in Donbass article about foreign volunteers. Then there could be a section about volunteer neo-nazis from both sides, like pro-Ukraine Swedes and pro-Russia RNU Volunteer Units. What do you guys think of this? [[User:SkoraPobeda|SkoraPobeda]] ([[User talk:SkoraPobeda|talk]]) 20:42, 10 April 2015 (UTC)
:: Thats a good idea , a good example is the article about the foreign fighters in Bosnia [[Foreign fighters in the Bosnian War]] <small><span class="autosigned">—&nbsp;Preceding [[Wikipedia:Signatures|unsigned]] comment added by [[User:Hamburg322|Hamburg322]] ([[User talk:Hamburg322|talk]] • [[Special:Contributions/Hamburg322|contribs]]) 21:18, 10 April 2015 (UTC)</span></small><!-- Template:Unsigned --> <!--Autosigned by SineBot-->
:::There's definitely a need for such an article (or stub at this point). Currently, there are various articles lending themselves to misleading/mischaracterising content (per [[WP:SYNTH]]) such as [[Wolfsangel#Post-WWII|this]]. The fact is that generic characterisation based on volunteers being attracted to 'causes' doesn't tally with RS descriptions of the nature of this form of warfare where the political ideologies of a minority of foreign volunteers is tolerated by the majority, but doesn't necessarily sit easily with them. What is essential, however, is that such an article be based on RS. We can't [[WP:CHERRY|cherry pick]] sources in order to tailor them to fit our own understanding of the issues at hand. --[[User:Iryna Harpy|Iryna Harpy]] ([[User talk:Iryna Harpy|talk]]) 00:37, 11 April 2015 (UTC)
:::Maybe we write only who in this combat unit fights and not their political motivation [[User:Hamburg322|Hamburg322]] ([[User talk:Hamburg322|talk]]) 17:19, 11 April 2015 (UTC)
::::I assume you mean that their political allegiances would be content for the split off article in order to keep the lengthy section on this article down to a more manageable list, {{u|Hamburg322}}. --[[User:Iryna Harpy|Iryna Harpy]] ([[User talk:Iryna Harpy|talk]]) 21:56, 12 April 2015 (UTC)

== NAF acquired Kord machine guns from Russia ==

https://pp.vk.me/c625724/v625724290/358aa/_1Lng03SCc4.jpg

[[Special:Contributions/207.35.219.34|207.35.219.34]] ([[User talk:207.35.219.34|talk]]) 20:28, 22 May 2015 (UTC)

== Big problem with "Novorossiya" articles to be addressed ==

I've reverted {{u|SkoraPobeda}}'s latest changes for a few reasons, but most prominently because we're now facing [[WP:OR]] issues surrounding the articles. We all know that the project folded at the beginning of May, but the content is conflating various militias under that umbrella as if it were still an ongoing project.

Before any more changes are made, I think we need to treat this (and other articles) as historical and move any relevant content that might be lost to existing articles for DPR, LPR, etc. If the content is not appropriate to other articles, it may be time to consider some form of 'after' Novorossiya article. I'm at a loss as to how to do this without original research as to an appropriate [[WP:TITLE]]. Any thoughts/comments from other editors? --[[User:Iryna Harpy|Iryna Harpy]] ([[User talk:Iryna Harpy|talk]]) 00:55, 2 June 2015 (UTC)

:Move them to draftspace and mark them as historical, its a big step yes but its better than having loads of unverifiable info. Its either do that, or AfDs where I would suggest something along the lines anyways. - [[User:Knowledgekid87|Knowledgekid87]] ([[User talk:Knowledgekid87|talk]]) 00:59, 2 June 2015 (UTC)

:No one ever said Novorossiya is cancelled. Oleg Tsaryov said there is no plan to expand it at the moment unless Minsk 2 is out the window. <small class="autosigned">—&nbsp;Preceding [[Wikipedia:Signatures|unsigned]] comment added by [[Special:Contributions/207.35.219.34|207.35.219.34]] ([[User talk:207.35.219.34|talk]]) 15:33, 11 June 2015 (UTC)</small><!-- Template:Unsigned IP --> <!--Autosigned by SineBot-->
::Really? How are the Mink II protocols going to 'suddenly' disappear? Cancelled... unless you have a [[WP:CRYSTAL]] ball. Enough [[WP:SOAP]]. --[[User:Iryna Harpy|Iryna Harpy]] ([[User talk:Iryna Harpy|talk]]) 05:40, 13 June 2015 (UTC)

== Ranks ==
Why somebody deleted ranks of Pro-Russian forces?
I've posted yesterday all ranks which are in use. <small class="autosigned">—&nbsp;Preceding [[Wikipedia:Signatures|unsigned]] comment added by [[Special:Contributions/89.216.56.3|89.216.56.3]] ([[User talk:89.216.56.3|talk]]) 16:54, 4 June 2015 (UTC)</small><!-- Template:Unsigned IP --> <!--Autosigned by SineBot-->
:Please read the above section (and the rest of the talk page). You're developing content for a project that has been closed. There is no way of defining ranks, etc., for a non-existent militia. This is why we're trying to work out how to handle the content already in the article. Essentially, this is an historical and conceptual 'force', which means that ranks and most of the content are [[WP:OR|original research]] if they are being treated as being an ongoing reality. Most of this content should be merged to the DPR and LPR articles. --[[User:Iryna Harpy|Iryna Harpy]] ([[User talk:Iryna Harpy|talk]]) 23:27, 4 June 2015 (UTC)

== Viking battalion ==

Needs to be added to the article.

http://i59.tinypic.com/118hij4.jpg

http://i59.tinypic.com/dpemvl.jpg

http://i59.tinypic.com/25q3qyo.jpg <small class="autosigned">—&nbsp;Preceding [[Wikipedia:Signatures|unsigned]] comment added by [[Special:Contributions/207.35.219.34|207.35.219.34]] ([[User talk:207.35.219.34|talk]]) 15:30, 11 June 2015 (UTC)</small><!-- Template:Unsigned IP --> <!--Autosigned by SineBot-->

== NAF Aistenok counter battery radars ==

https://twitter.com/onlinemagazin/status/556034738247720960

[[Special:Contributions/207.35.219.34|207.35.219.34]] ([[User talk:207.35.219.34|talk]]) 22:33, 18 June 2015 (UTC)

== Kord machine gun ==

at 3:45

https://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_embedded&v=7bvEE9dbr4w

[[Special:Contributions/207.35.219.34|207.35.219.34]] ([[User talk:207.35.219.34|talk]]) 21:18, 19 June 2015 (UTC)

== 1st Slavyansk brigade ==

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lMPWDRwKHKs

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:YouTube is not a [[WP:RS|reliable source]]. --[[User:Iryna Harpy|Iryna Harpy]] ([[User talk:Iryna Harpy|talk]]) 05:39, 2 July 2015 (UTC)

== New licenses needed for flags/insignias ==

Currently, there is an unresolved problem that is quite annoying. Flags such as the Donbass People's Militia, Somalia Battalion and some insignias have been deleted over licensing issues. {{u|MrPenguin20}}'s Somalia Battalion flag was nominated for deletion over the "self|cc-by-sa-4.0" license. I tried preventing it from getting deleted by placing the "PD-textlogo" in its place, only to still have it deleted regardless. The problem here is that we need Donetsk and Luhansk People's Republics licenses for the sake of identifying flags and insignias of various factions. "PD-UA-exempt" doesn't apply since they are not a part of Ukraine. Also, I couldn't find any copyright laws on the DPR's website so far either [http://dnrsovet.su/zakonodatelnaya-deyatelnost/prinyatye/zakony/]. {{u|Iryna Harpy}}, perhaps you can help us find a way to create at least some temporary exempt license, to prevent any more of these unnecessary deletions. [[User:SkoraPobeda|SkoraPobeda]] ([[User talk:SkoraPobeda|talk]]) 20:40, 2 November 2015 (UTC)
:Well, this is extremely frustrating. I've had to work around legal issues over images in the past, but it's highly convoluted on WikiCommons as they apply international and local laws for recognised ''sovereign states'' to images that are 'representative renderings' of symbols, emblems and flags for unrecognised states and their militia. WikiCommons are probably being overly cautious and are possibly following an inaccurate reading of legal constraints surrounding such material.

:Rather than temporary workarounds, have you tried taking this to [[Wikipedia:Media copyright questions]] (or [[Wikipedia:Teahouse]] in order to find out how to contact the correct legal team)? There is a legal team on WikiCommons, but I can't remember how to contact them offhand. The sysops on the various wikis only deal with legal issues in as far as they're aware of them, but it would be better to take it straight to the experts. --[[User:Iryna Harpy|Iryna Harpy]] ([[User talk:Iryna Harpy|talk]]) 21:44, 2 November 2015 (UTC)
::I have not yet, but thanks for the links. I'll ask them about it in the near future. [[User:SkoraPobeda|SkoraPobeda]] ([[User talk:SkoraPobeda|talk]]) 21:57, 2 November 2015 (UTC)
:::I'd follow up this line of enquiry myself, but - like you and others - I'm swamped with other issues to address. Unfortunately, there aren't enough NPOV editors with enough time to stay on top of important details for improving the content of articles to go around. I'll try to get to it ASAP if you don't get there first! {{P}} --[[User:Iryna Harpy|Iryna Harpy]] ([[User talk:Iryna Harpy|talk]]) 23:13, 5 November 2015 (UTC)
:::: Sounds like a plan! I'm hoping together we can put an end to this ridiculous copyright issue. [[User:SkoraPobeda|SkoraPobeda]] ([[User talk:SkoraPobeda|talk]]) 18:16, 7 November 2015 (UTC)
:::::After finally asking the Teahouse people, they redirected me to a couple of links including the [[Wikipedia:Copyright on emblems|WP:Copyright on emblems]]. My solution to this problem for now is to use the "insignia" license that I was not aware of. It is very fitting, and until the DPR and LPR actually make laws about copyrights, I don't think we'll have a real license for them. [[User:SkoraPobeda|SkoraPobeda]] ([[User talk:SkoraPobeda|talk]]) 03:55, 30 December 2015 (UTC)
::::::Well done, {{u|SkoraPobeda}}! Thanks for pursuing this issue and finding a viable work-around. (Oh, and wishing you a Happy New Year, as well as a wonderful Christmas... which we've yet to have!!! I still have plenty of time to wish you a Happy Old New Year...) --[[User:Iryna Harpy|Iryna Harpy]] ([[User talk:Iryna Harpy|talk]]) 04:10, 30 December 2015 (UTC)
:::::::Thank you Iryna, I wish you the same! Hopefully this will be a good answer to the unnecessary deletions. I'll pray for peace in Ukraine in 2016 (ironic for my "soon there will be victory" username from 2013, no?). The common people and their families on all sides do not deserve this war and suffering. [[User:SkoraPobeda|SkoraPobeda]] ([[User talk:SkoraPobeda|talk]]) 04:26, 30 December 2015 (UTC)
::::::::I think that anyone who knew anything about politics/economics understood that the dismantling of the Soviet Union was handled disastrously. Whether it be the Western plutocrats or the Eastern European oligarchs who plundered the coffers of the state/s, they're all cut from the same cloth. History has shown us time and time again that it's inevitably the ordinary people who suffer the consequences. --[[User:Iryna Harpy|Iryna Harpy]] ([[User talk:Iryna Harpy|talk]]) 05:22, 30 December 2015 (UTC)
:::::::::That is right. Perhaps one day there will be a diplomatic solution to this war. All of the nationalist flag wavers of either Russia or Ukraine just aggravate the situation with wanting one side to obliterate the other. Nobody thinks of the long term effects, and how dangerous this is if it was to become a full scale civil war between many armed groups. [[User:SkoraPobeda|SkoraPobeda]] ([[User talk:SkoraPobeda|talk]]) 05:41, 30 December 2015 (UTC)

== Russian armed forces involvement ==

It is no longer correct to suggest that official Russian involvement in only suspected. Even Putin now admits Russian armed forces involvement - though it was never actually in doubt.[[User:Royalcourtier|Royalcourtier]] ([[User talk:Royalcourtier|talk]]) 00:44, 30 December 2015 (UTC)
:This is not true. Putin in his annual Q&A said "We never said there were no people there [in Donbass] who carried out certain tasks including in the military sphere, but that doesn't mean there are any regular Russian troops. See the difference." He is referring to Russian military advisers, like the American ones who trained Ukrainian personnel in Lviv. It doesn't mean the American Army is actively involved in the war, Putin still emphasized that there are ''no'' regular Russian soldiers. Even The Guardian says "There was no opportunity for a follow-up question to examine how many ''military specialists'' Putin believes were in Ukraine." [http://www.theguardian.com/world/2015/dec/17/vladimir-putin-admits-russian-military-presence-ukraine] I have said this once, and will repeat it again. [[Viktor Muzhenko]], the Ukrainian Chief of the General Staff himself admitted in January 2015 (during the Battle of Debaltseve) that there were individual members of the Russian Armed Forces and Russian citizens among the NAF, but ''no regular Russian Army soldiers'' fighting Ukraine. The translation is in the description, [https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=T0x0mnrq9j4] [[User:SkoraPobeda|SkoraPobeda]] ([[User talk:SkoraPobeda|talk]]) 05:03, 30 December 2015 (UTC)
::I wouldn't worry about it. I've already posted yet another warning on this user's talk page regarding using talk pages as SOAPBOXES... and I'm not the only one to have done so. I think we're all sick to death of these propaganda warriors from all sides. They're [[WP:NOTHERE]]. --[[User:Iryna Harpy|Iryna Harpy]] ([[User talk:Iryna Harpy|talk]]) 05:11, 30 December 2015 (UTC)
:::That's for sure, I'll keep my eyes out next time. [[User:SkoraPobeda|SkoraPobeda]] ([[User talk:SkoraPobeda|talk]]) 05:26, 30 December 2015 (UTC)
:: What Viktor Muzhenko said out of context is irrelevant here. We know that around 10,000 regular troops are fighting in Ukraine, regardless the language gymnastics. --'''''BLACK FUTURE''''' <small>([[User talk:Black Future|tlk2meh]])</small> 21:11, 27 April 2016 (UTC)

== Is this even a real thing? ==

Looking at the article, it seems to be a lot of original research. "Novorossia" doesn't exist and never really did. The article mostly lists different militia groups that operate under different commands. Without a central command structure, how can this article, quite flatly, pretend there is a "United Armed Forces of Novorossiya"? If they are disunited and decentralized and not operating under the name 'Novorossiya'? I think at the minimum the article should be renamed 'Pro-Russian militant groups in Ukraine' or something, because it's mostly just a fan fiction. --'''''BLACK FUTURE''''' <small>([[User talk:Black Future|tlk2meh]])</small> 21:08, 27 April 2016 (UTC)

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== Requested move 4 August 2016 ==
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[[:United Armed Forces of Novorossiya]] → {{no redirect|Separatists forces of the War in Donbass}} – [[WP:common name]] and common sense. No majority of independent, reliable English-language source does refere to the armed forces described in this article as "United Armed Forces of Novorossiya" and even before they hardly did but rather called them "separatists", "pro-Russian rebels" etc. The [[Novorossiya (confederation)]] project has been put on hold for more than a year now and the armed forces described in this article do not fight for (a) "Novorossiya" (anymore). (As far as I know the armed forces described in this article do not call themselves "United Armed Forces of Novorossiya" (anymore).) — '''[[User:Yulia Romero|<span style="font-family:Script MT;color:orange">Yulia Romero</span>]]'''&nbsp;•&nbsp;[[User_talk:Yulia Romero|<span style="font-family:Script MT;color:blue">Talk to me!</span>]] 16:11, 4 August 2016 (UTC) <small>--'''''See relisting comment''''' — [[User:Andy M. Wang|'''''Andy W.''''']] <span style="font-size:88%">('''[[User talk:Andy M. Wang|<span style="color:#164">talk</span>]] ·''' [[Special:Contribs/Andy M. Wang|ctb]])</span> 20:48, 11 August 2016 (UTC)</small>
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:As a person who has edited for this article many times, I agree that there should be a name change for the reason that the Novorossiya confederation was put on hold. Only the new title should be one that everybody agrees to, "Separatist forces of the War in Donbass" is one idea, it could also be "Anti-government forces of Donbass" or something else. I'd like to hear other suggestions from editors. [[User:SkoraPobeda|SkoraPobeda]] ([[User talk:SkoraPobeda|talk]]) 15:47, 5 August 2016 (UTC)
*(relisting comment: please consider this comment procedural) {{re|SkoraPobeda}} Is it "Separatist forces" or "Separatists forces"? Also, there does not seem to be opposition to the current proposal. Per typical RM procedure, we can probably proceed with the move as unopposed. — [[User:Andy M. Wang|'''''Andy W.''''']] <span style="font-size:88%">('''[[User talk:Andy M. Wang|<span style="color:#164">talk</span>]] ·''' [[Special:Contribs/Andy M. Wang|ctb]])</span> 20:48, 11 August 2016 (UTC)
::"Separatist forces" is the correct term. I guess since nobody here opposed, it can be moved. [[User:SkoraPobeda|SkoraPobeda]] ([[User talk:SkoraPobeda|talk]]) 21:03, 11 August 2016 (UTC)
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== Structure (information about central command and control and organisation between all separatists military groups missing in this Wikipedia article)==

The "[[United Armed Forces of Novorossiya#structure|Structure" section]] doesn't say anything about how organization. It just lists a bunch of different military groups.... in a way that makes it look these groups don't coordinate anything.... Is there a central command who tells these groups what to do?

The section should look (ideally) like [[FARC#Organization and structure]]. — '''[[User:Yulia Romero|<span style="font-family:Script MT;color:orange">Yulia Romero</span>]]'''&nbsp;•&nbsp;[[User_talk:Yulia Romero|<span style="font-family:Script MT;color:blue">Talk to me!</span>]] 16:53, 8 August 2016 (UTC)

== Update needed? Is the listing of separatists different armed groups up to date? ==

[https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Special:MobileDiff/733184132 The current] "[[United Armed Forces of Novorossiya#structure|Structure" section]] lists a bunch of different military groups. Is this list currently up to date? An Ukrainian military spokesman [http://pda.pravda.com.ua/news/id_7117146/ today spoke of] there being a separatists "9th Regiment" ([[Novoazovsk]]), and another "7th Brigade" ([[Debaltseve]]). None of which is currently mentioned in this Wikipedia article.... — '''[[User:Yulia Romero|<span style="font-family:Script MT;color:orange">Yulia Romero</span>]]'''&nbsp;•&nbsp;[[User_talk:Yulia Romero|<span style="font-family:Script MT;color:blue">Talk to me!</span>]] 17:01, 8 August 2016 (UTC)
:The list is what I helped create since 2014 based on DPR and LPR groups that are identifiable. RS does not cover the modern names of some of the newer and reformed military units, so that is why I am not able to update them. Technically, the Donbass People's Militia no longer exists. It is currently called the 1st Army Corps of the Ministry of Defense (DPR) (1-й армейский корпус Министерства Обороны ДНР). Since Reuters, BBC, Associated Press, The Guardian and others that are often used in War in Donbass articles don't cover it, we can't really change them. Unless we use Russian or Ukrainian language sources, which would be considered non-RS. [[User:SkoraPobeda|SkoraPobeda]] ([[User talk:SkoraPobeda|talk]]) 22:01, 10 August 2016 (UTC)

Thanks for this update [[User:SkoraPobeda|SkoraPobeda]]. It gives insight in what is going on in Donbass (the Donetsk People's Republic appears to be better organised then in which 2014). I am also not a fan of using Russian or Ukrainian language sources, which would be considered non-RS. The only reason [https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Special:MobileDiff/734051719 I put information in the article] by the [[The Ukrainian Week]] is that without information about the command structure of these forces it would look like there is no coordination of these forces. Without coordination logic dictates that they should have been overrun by the Ukrainian army a long time ago. — '''[[User:Yulia Romero|<span style="font-family:Script MT;color:orange">Yulia Romero</span>]]'''&nbsp;•&nbsp;[[User_talk:Yulia Romero|<span style="font-family:Script MT;color:blue">Talk to me!</span>]] 21:37, 12 August 2016 (UTC)
:It's understandable, August 2014 had a lot of major battles and hard to believe two years have passed. Yes, the DPR and LPR forces are a lot better with equipment, military structure, and all other aspects since 2014. Both sides of this war learned new tactics and reorganized in different ways. Just for interest, I found an English list (although I disagree with the title) of detailed brigades and battalions of the [https://20committee.files.wordpress.com/2015/08/cngu3ppwoaajrrk.png DPR 1st Army Corps] and [https://20committee.files.wordpress.com/2015/08/cngu3gbwgaal3op.png LPR 2nd Army Corps]. I wish RS would cover it more like the diagram so that we can actually update and rename some of the groups. [[User:SkoraPobeda|SkoraPobeda]] ([[User talk:SkoraPobeda|talk]]) 22:10, 12 August 2016 (UTC)

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== Novorossiya was not implemented ==

There is no forml novorossiya today. The article must be correctd accordingly. Also the title is false because polls consistently show that the majority is for staying within ukraine.- üser:Altenmann [[user talk:Altenmann|>'''t''']] 19:25, 16 December 2017 (UTC)


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Russia annexed DLNR in September 2022. It is now integrating the militias into the Southern Military District of the RuAF.
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There is no longer a DPR ministry of defence, so its emblem should be removed from the infobox. Maybe the LNR militia emblem should be removed too for balance, and pending we identify some appropriate sourced, current imagery. Any thoughts?&nbsp;—''[[user:Mzajac|Michael]]&nbsp;[[user_talk:Mzajac|Z]].'' 18:27, 6 February 2023 (UTC)
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== "People's militias" ==
"Although the Russian government often denies direct involvement stating that their soldiers were there voluntarily and not under orders, some of them were detained riding their combat vehicles with documents proving their origin in Russian armed forces."


I would like to speak against the normalizing propaganda's agenda on the Wikipedia by treating such a terms like "people's" as the legitimate description of the reality. Those militias are not grassroots, they are obviously inspired and controlled by the services of the Russian Federation. Thus, the article should be renamed. [[User:Wojsław Brożyna|Wojsław Brożyna]] ([[User talk:Wojsław Brożyna|talk]]) 07:53, 7 August 2023 (UTC)
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:That is a fair point. But using their full proper names would lead to a very long title: [[Donetsk People's Republic People's Militia and Luhansk People's Republic People's Militia]] (but I’m not necessarily against using it). They used to be collectively called [[Russian-backed militias]], [[Russian-led separatists]], or some such in a lot of media, but that started to disappear in 2019 or so. A problem is that since they are no longer recognized as ever having been independent actors (right from 2014), they are simply not referred to directly very much, and lumped in with Russian forces except where specific military units or formations are referred to.
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:It would be a good idea to survey sources over the last 18 months when considering renaming. &nbsp;—''[[user:Mzajac|Michael]]&nbsp;[[user_talk:Mzajac|Z]].'' 15:06, 7 August 2023 (UTC)
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There is no longer a DPR ministry of defence, so its emblem should be removed from the infobox. Maybe the LNR militia emblem should be removed too for balance, and pending we identify some appropriate sourced, current imagery. Any thoughts? —Michael Z. 18:27, 6 February 2023 (UTC)[reply]

Come to think of it, “supreme commander-in-chief,” “commanders of the people's militia directorate,” and “foreign suppliers” likely don’t make sense any more.  —Michael Z. 18:29, 6 February 2023 (UTC)[reply]

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I would like to speak against the normalizing propaganda's agenda on the Wikipedia by treating such a terms like "people's" as the legitimate description of the reality. Those militias are not grassroots, they are obviously inspired and controlled by the services of the Russian Federation. Thus, the article should be renamed. Wojsław Brożyna (talk) 07:53, 7 August 2023 (UTC)[reply]

That is a fair point. But using their full proper names would lead to a very long title: Donetsk People's Republic People's Militia and Luhansk People's Republic People's Militia (but I’m not necessarily against using it). They used to be collectively called Russian-backed militias, Russian-led separatists, or some such in a lot of media, but that started to disappear in 2019 or so. A problem is that since they are no longer recognized as ever having been independent actors (right from 2014), they are simply not referred to directly very much, and lumped in with Russian forces except where specific military units or formations are referred to.
It would be a good idea to survey sources over the last 18 months when considering renaming.  —Michael Z. 15:06, 7 August 2023 (UTC)[reply]
I've found a far easier solution. Scu ba (talk) 18:18, 14 February 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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