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The result was '''delete'''. I'm gonna go ahead ([[Office Space|mmm, yeah]]) and also put a redirect to [[X-plane]]. [[User:Proto|<span style="text-decoration:none">Proto</span>]]<i>::</i><small>[[User_talk:Proto|<span style="text-decoration:none">type</span>]]</small> 12:01, 22 November 2006 (UTC) |
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Non-notable company. [[User:Veinor|Veinor]] ([[User_talk:Veinor|ヴエノル<sup>(talk)</sup>]]) 22:40, 16 November 2006 (UTC) |
Non-notable company. [[User:Veinor|Veinor]] ([[User_talk:Veinor|ヴエノル<sup>(talk)</sup>]]) 22:40, 16 November 2006 (UTC) |
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*'''Delete''' Fails to assert notability [[User:Scope creep|scope_creep]] 23:00, 16 November 2006 (UTC) |
*'''Delete''' Fails to assert notability [[User:Scope creep|scope_creep]] 23:00, 16 November 2006 (UTC) |
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*'''Delete''' As per Veinor and Scope creep, not notable. < |
*'''Delete''' As per Veinor and Scope creep, not notable. <span style="font-family:Arial; color:#27408B; font-size:small;">'''Kind Regards - '''</span>[[User:Heligoland|<span style="font-family:Arial; color:#27408B; font-size:small;">'''Heligoland '''</span>]] | [[User talk:Heligoland|<span style="font-family:Arial; color:#27408B; font-size:small;">'''Talk'''</span>]] | [[Special:Contributions/Heligoland|<span style="font-family:Arial; color:#27408B; font-size:small;">'''Contribs'''</span>]] 23:35, 16 November 2006 (UTC) |
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*'''Delete''' - NN. [[User:Spawn Man|Spawn Man]] 01:00, 17 November 2006 (UTC) |
*'''Delete''' - NN. [[User:Spawn Man|Spawn Man]] 01:00, 17 November 2006 (UTC) |
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*'''Disagree -- do not delete'''The company is the first of its kind. While people like Edward Tufte and Richard Saul Wurman have been touting information design as a discipline, XPLANE was the first company to put a stake in the ground as a global information design/information graphics provider. The fact that such a tiny company commands 30 of the Fortune 500 as clients within such a short period speaks for itself. What are the criteria for a company to be notable? |
*'''Disagree -- do not delete'''The company is the first of its kind. While people like Edward Tufte and Richard Saul Wurman have been touting information design as a discipline, XPLANE was the first company to put a stake in the ground as a global information design/information graphics provider. The fact that such a tiny company commands 30 of the Fortune 500 as clients within such a short period speaks for itself. What are the criteria for a company to be notable? |
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I read the Wikipedia deletion policy and found no criteria based on "notability." The criteria I saw there were: Verifiability, copyright, accuracy, objectivity. I also read "Articles and text which are capable of meeting these should usually be remedied by editing" as opposed to deletion. |
::I read the Wikipedia deletion policy and found no criteria based on "notability." The criteria I saw there were: Verifiability, copyright, accuracy, objectivity. I also read "Articles and text which are capable of meeting these should usually be remedied by editing" as opposed to deletion. |
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Please forgive me if I am violating protocol, I am new to this. I am the founder and CEO of XPLANE and did not create this page. However I made a minor edit to it within the last week (link to my blog), and suddenly the article which had been there since 2004 was suddenly marked for deletion for no apparent reason. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User:Dgray_xplane <small>— [[User:Dgray_xplane|Dgray_xplane]] ([[User talk:Dgray_xplane|talk]] • [[Special:Contributions/Dgray_xplane|contribs]]) {{{2|}}} has made [[Wikipedia:Single purpose account|few or no other edits]] outside this topic.</small> |
:::Please forgive me if I am violating protocol, I am new to this. I am the founder and CEO of XPLANE and did not create this page. However I made a minor edit to it within the last week (link to my blog), and suddenly the article which had been there since 2004 was suddenly marked for deletion for no apparent reason. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User:Dgray_xplane <small>— [[User:Dgray_xplane|Dgray_xplane]] ([[User talk:Dgray_xplane|talk]] • [[Special:Contributions/Dgray_xplane|contribs]]) {{{2|}}} has made [[Wikipedia:Single purpose account|few or no other edits]] outside this topic.</small> |
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*'''Notable''' - I enjoy David Gray's blog [http://communicationnation.blogspot.com Communication Nation]and his company is both notable and worthy of inclusion in wikipedia. --[[User:Guy Bjerke|Guy Bjerke]] 05:56, 21 November 2006 (UTC)<small>— [[User:Guy Bjerke|Guy Bjerke]] ([[User talk:Guy Bjerke|talk]] • [[Special:Contributions/Guy Bjerke|contribs]]) {{{2|}}} has made [[Wikipedia:Single purpose account|few or no other edits]] outside this topic.</small> |
*'''Notable''' - I enjoy David Gray's blog [http://communicationnation.blogspot.com Communication Nation]and his company is both notable and worthy of inclusion in wikipedia. --[[User:Guy Bjerke|Guy Bjerke]] 05:56, 21 November 2006 (UTC)<small>— [[User:Guy Bjerke|Guy Bjerke]] ([[User talk:Guy Bjerke|talk]] • [[Special:Contributions/Guy Bjerke|contribs]]) {{{2|}}} has made [[Wikipedia:Single purpose account|few or no other edits]] outside this topic.</small> |
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*'''Keep'''. Not only is XPLANE obviously a big player in its field, but the company's contribution also extends beyond the commercial sphere. Their work is an inspiration to anyone and everyone. I stand in awe of their achievement, yet my experience with the CEO Dave Gray is that of a very approachable person, who will allways find time for others despite his busy schedule. XPLANE is a company about communication, who practice what they preach, and not just for a dollar. Their work has inspired me personally in many ways, on a practical and communication level. XPLANE not only contributs in a commercial sense, but to communication as a whole. When a company can reach far beyond their clients, to the far corners of the globe, and in a benificial way, that IS noteworthy. Communication is about just that, and not about protocoll for protocoll's sake. The real question about the wiki entry is about noteworthyness. There is no doubt in my mind, that XPLANE is.[[User:Judyofthewoods|Judyofthewoods]] 15:13, 21 November 2006 (UTC)<small>— [[User:Judyofthewoods|Judyofthewoods]] ([[User talk:Judyofthewoods|talk]] • [[Special:Contributions/Judyofthewoods|contribs]]) {{{2|}}} has made [[Wikipedia:Single purpose account|few or no other edits]] outside this topic.</small> |
*'''Keep'''. Not only is XPLANE obviously a big player in its field, but the company's contribution also extends beyond the commercial sphere. Their work is an inspiration to anyone and everyone. I stand in awe of their achievement, yet my experience with the CEO Dave Gray is that of a very approachable person, who will allways find time for others despite his busy schedule. XPLANE is a company about communication, who practice what they preach, and not just for a dollar. Their work has inspired me personally in many ways, on a practical and communication level. XPLANE not only contributs in a commercial sense, but to communication as a whole. When a company can reach far beyond their clients, to the far corners of the globe, and in a benificial way, that IS noteworthy. Communication is about just that, and not about protocoll for protocoll's sake. The real question about the wiki entry is about noteworthyness. There is no doubt in my mind, that XPLANE is.[[User:Judyofthewoods|Judyofthewoods]] 15:13, 21 November 2006 (UTC)<small>— [[User:Judyofthewoods|Judyofthewoods]] ([[User talk:Judyofthewoods|talk]] • [[Special:Contributions/Judyofthewoods|contribs]]) {{{2|}}} has made [[Wikipedia:Single purpose account|few or no other edits]] outside this topic.</small> |
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XPLANE's work has been published in Discover Magazine, Time magazine, Business 2.0, and Harper's. XPLANE has also illustrated several books, including "Informal Learning" by Jay Cross (inventor of the term "e-learning" and Network Security Illustrated, published by McGraw Hill. XPLANE diagrams have been also featured in textbooks on e-Commerce. |
* In response to the request for citations: XPLANE's work has been published in Discover Magazine, Time magazine, Business 2.0, and Harper's. XPLANE has also illustrated several books, including "Informal Learning" by Jay Cross (inventor of the term "e-learning" and Network Security Illustrated, published by McGraw Hill. XPLANE diagrams have been also featured in textbooks on e-Commerce. |
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*External references to XPLANE: |
*External references to XPLANE: |
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<small>—The preceding [[Wikipedia:Sign your posts on talk pages|unsigned]] comment was added by [[User:Dgray xplane|Dgray xplane]] ([[User talk:Dgray xplane|talk]] • [[Special:Contributions/Dgray xplane|contribs]]) 16:03 21 November 2006.</small><!-- Template:Unsigned --> |
<small>—The preceding [[Wikipedia:Sign your posts on talk pages|unsigned]] comment was added by [[User:Dgray xplane|Dgray xplane]] ([[User talk:Dgray xplane|talk]] • [[Special:Contributions/Dgray xplane|contribs]]) 16:03 21 November 2006.</small><!-- Template:Unsigned --> |
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::Many of the above links only mention XPLANE in passing or are invalid for other reasons (e.g., risingmedia.net's purpose seems to be promotion of companies for money). [[User:Veinor|Veinor]] ([[User_talk:Veinor|ヴエノル<sup>(talk)</sup>]]) 17:19, 21 November 2006 (UTC) |
::Many of the above links only mention XPLANE in passing or are invalid for other reasons (e.g., risingmedia.net's purpose seems to be promotion of companies for money). [[User:Veinor|Veinor]] ([[User_talk:Veinor|ヴエノル<sup>(talk)</sup>]]) 17:19, 21 November 2006 (UTC) |
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:::Well i do have a day job but i am doing my best -- the above is what a quick Google search revealed.[[User:Dgray xplane|Dgray xplane]] 05:38, 22 November 2006 (UTC) |
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⚫ | * Contribution to Wikipedia is important, and many of us are grateful, but that should not be the only determiner of notability. Experts in the subject should be consulted whenever possible. In response to the definition of "notable:" If any of the posters have practical experience or have been recognized in the field of information design it would be helpful to add it, as it lends credence to their arguments. Speaking for myself, I have six years experience doing information design for major metropolitan newspapers, including the LA Daily News, LA Herald-Examiner, Seattle Post-Intelligencer and St. Louis Post-Dispatch. I have been recognized for excellence in the field by the Society of News Design and the Associated Press. I have spoken at numerous conferences on information design, including |
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⚫ | If any of the posters have practical experience or have been recognized in the field of information design it would be helpful to add it, as it lends credence to their arguments. Speaking for myself, I have six years experience doing information design for major metropolitan newspapers, including the LA Daily News, LA Herald-Examiner, Seattle Post-Intelligencer and St. Louis Post-Dispatch. I have been recognized for excellence in the field by the Society of News Design and the Associated Press. I have spoken at numerous conferences on information design, including |
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**[http://reboot.dk/ Reboot] (Copenhagen) |
**[http://reboot.dk/ Reboot] (Copenhagen) |
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**[http://www.admc.hct.ac.ae/emel2005/speakers.aspx Emerging Elearning] (Abu Dhabi) |
**[http://www.admc.hct.ac.ae/emel2005/speakers.aspx Emerging Elearning] (Abu Dhabi) |
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***Just because somebody stats that they have practical experience or have been recognized in the field does not make it so; we have no way of knowing. [[User:Veinor|Veinor]] ([[User_talk:Veinor|ヴエノル<sup>(talk)</sup>]]) 17:28, 21 November 2006 (UTC) |
***Just because somebody stats that they have practical experience or have been recognized in the field does not make it so; we have no way of knowing. [[User:Veinor|Veinor]] ([[User_talk:Veinor|ヴエノル<sup>(talk)</sup>]]) 17:28, 21 November 2006 (UTC) |
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****Please see the CNN article linked from the Wikipedia page to "verify" notability and Dave's credibility. [[User:Aaron Gerdes|Aaron Gerdes]] 21:05, 21 November 2006 (UTC) |
****Please see the CNN article linked from the Wikipedia page to "verify" notability and Dave's credibility. [[User:Aaron Gerdes|Aaron Gerdes]] 21:05, 21 November 2006 (UTC) |
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**'''Keep.''' Listen to the Yi-Tan [Podcast]http://www.podcasting.land-com.net/Yi-TanCall85.mp3 on which Dave Gray was a featured speaker. Dave Gray, via his company X-Plane, is a leader in sharing visual teaching and using art and graphics for expression. To remove X-Plane as "not notable" would be a step backwards for Wikipedia. [[User:Deanland|DeanLand (aka Dean Landsman)]] 17:57, 21 November 2006 (UTC)<small>— [[User:Deanland|Deanland]] ([[User talk:Deanland|talk]] • [[Special:Contributions/Deanland|contribs]]) {{{2|}}} has made [[Wikipedia:Single purpose account|few or no other edits]] outside this topic.</small> |
**'''Keep.''' Listen to the Yi-Tan [Podcast]http://www.podcasting.land-com.net/Yi-TanCall85.mp3 on which Dave Gray was a featured speaker. Dave Gray, via his company X-Plane, is a leader in sharing visual teaching and using art and graphics for expression. To remove X-Plane as "not notable" would be a step backwards for Wikipedia. [[User:Deanland|DeanLand (aka Dean Landsman)]] 17:57, 21 November 2006 (UTC)<small>— [[User:Deanland|Deanland]] ([[User talk:Deanland|talk]] • [[Special:Contributions/Deanland|contribs]]) {{{2|}}} has made [[Wikipedia:Single purpose account|few or no other edits]] outside this topic.</small> |
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Every single claim is verifiable. There are certainly ways of knowing. With the exception of the Herald Examiner which is out of business, every single newspaper on the list can be called and will verify my employment. In addition, you can call the Society of News Design or the Associated Press to Verify the awards. You can also contact the administrators of all of the conferences to verify that I did indeed speak. Veinor, this appears to be a personal attack and I am not sure why. Please provide any relevant credentials you have in the field of information design. |
* In response to charges of verifiability: Every single claim is verifiable. There are certainly ways of knowing. With the exception of the Herald Examiner which is out of business, every single newspaper on the list can be called and will verify my employment. In addition, you can call the Society of News Design or the Associated Press to Verify the awards. You can also contact the administrators of all of the conferences to verify that I did indeed speak. Veinor, this appears to be a personal attack and I am not sure why. Please provide any relevant credentials you have in the field of information design. [[User:Dgray xplane|Dgray xplane]] 01:10, 22 November 2006 (UTC) |
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I would like to reiterate that I did not write the article; I only tried to modify it based on the assertion that there was no evidence that the company was notable. Never having been asked to do this before I took my best shot. Now the article has been accused of being too much like advertising, which was not my intent. It was an attempt to redress an assertion by Veinor that the company is not notable. In the field the company is highly regarded and recognized as an innovator. However as the Founder of the company it is difficult for me to write or be credible as an objective writer. However this is not a good reason to delete the entry. I have yet to see tangible suggestions for improving the article, other than the ones I have made myself. |
:I would like to reiterate that I did not write the article; I only tried to modify it based on the assertion that there was no evidence that the company was notable. Never having been asked to do this before I took my best shot. Now the article has been accused of being too much like advertising, which was not my intent. It was an attempt to redress an assertion by Veinor that the company is not notable. In the field the company is highly regarded and recognized as an innovator. However as the Founder of the company it is difficult for me to write or be credible as an objective writer. However this is not a good reason to delete the entry. I have yet to see tangible suggestions for improving the article, other than the ones I have made myself. [[User:Dgray xplane|Dgray xplane]] 01:10, 22 November 2006 (UTC) |
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*'''Keep''' I am the author Informal Learning, Rediscovering the Natural Paths that Inspire Innovation and Performance. ISBN: 0-7879-8169-9. XPLANE's use of graphics to improve learning at a major petroleum company warrant an entire chapter. When I was CEO of eLearning Forum, I hosted a conference on visual learning. The three keynote speakers were David Sibbett (founder of corporate group graphics), Bob Horn (author of Visual Language), and Dave Gray (because XPLANE is an importance force in visual learning.) As for other published work, see any copy of Business 2.0 magazine. Or the article in Training & Development magazine on visual learning, February 2002. At Learning 2006 this November in Orlando, I curated the Graphic Learning Excellence gallery, an exhibit of top learning graphics. XPLANE was the only firm to have three projects represented. Cross |
*'''Keep''' I am the author Informal Learning, Rediscovering the Natural Paths that Inspire Innovation and Performance. ISBN: 0-7879-8169-9. XPLANE's use of graphics to improve learning at a major petroleum company warrant an entire chapter. When I was CEO of eLearning Forum, I hosted a conference on visual learning. The three keynote speakers were David Sibbett (founder of corporate group graphics), Bob Horn (author of Visual Language), and Dave Gray (because XPLANE is an importance force in visual learning.) As for other published work, see any copy of Business 2.0 magazine. Or the article in Training & Development magazine on visual learning, February 2002. At Learning 2006 this November in Orlando, I curated the Graphic Learning Excellence gallery, an exhibit of top learning graphics. XPLANE was the only firm to have three projects represented. Cross |
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*'''Delete''' article does not establish notability. --[[User:Strothra|Strothra]] 20:21, 21 November 2006 (UTC) |
*'''Delete''' article does not establish notability as per [[WP:CORP]]. --[[User:Strothra|Strothra]] 20:21, 21 November 2006 (UTC) |
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*Keep I am a cartoonist and graphic recorder. XPLANE has a notable place in the landscape of visual learning and warrants recognition. [[User:Bnarelle|Bnarelle]] 20:41, 21 November 2006 (UTC)Brian Narelle, Cartoonist-in-Residence, Charles M. Schulz Museum - Jan. 2007. |
*Keep I am a cartoonist and graphic recorder. XPLANE has a notable place in the landscape of visual learning and warrants recognition. [[User:Bnarelle|Bnarelle]] 20:41, 21 November 2006 (UTC)Brian Narelle, Cartoonist-in-Residence, Charles M. Schulz Museum - Jan. 2007. |
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I want to stress that this article does need cleanup, but deletion would be a loss for the wiki. If users are still finding material objectionable, I recommend we engage in a [[Wikipedia:BOLD,_revert,_discuss_cycle]] like grown-ups. ;) [[User:Aaron Gerdes|Aaron Gerdes]] 21:05, 21 November 2006 (UTC) |
I want to stress that this article does need cleanup, but deletion would be a loss for the wiki. If users are still finding material objectionable, I recommend we engage in a [[Wikipedia:BOLD,_revert,_discuss_cycle]] like grown-ups. ;) [[User:Aaron Gerdes|Aaron Gerdes]] 21:05, 21 November 2006 (UTC) |
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As evidence of notability, here are mentions of XPLANE in the press going back to the year 2000: |
: As evidence of notability, here are mentions of XPLANE in the press going back to the year 2000: |
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**[http://xplane.com/press/2006/ 2006] |
**[http://xplane.com/press/2006/ 2006] |
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**[http://xplane.com/press/2005/ 2005] |
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**[http://xplane.com/press/2001/ 2001] |
**[http://xplane.com/press/2001/ 2001] |
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**[http://xplane.com/press/2000/ 2000] |
**[http://xplane.com/press/2000/ 2000] |
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[[User:Dgray xplane|Dgray xplane]] 01:10, 22 November 2006 (UTC) |
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According to Wikipedia guidelines (Bolding mine): |
: According to Wikipedia guidelines (Bolding mine): |
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A company or corporation is notable if it meets '''any''' of the following criteria: |
A company or corporation is notable if it meets '''any''' of the following criteria: |
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1. The company or corporation has been the subject of multiple non-trivial published works whose source is independent of the company or corporation itself. |
1. The company or corporation has been the subject of multiple non-trivial published works whose source is independent of the company or corporation itself. |
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This criterion includes '''published works in all forms, such as newspaper articles, books, television documentaries, and published reports by consumer watchdog |
This criterion includes '''published works in all forms, such as newspaper articles, books, television documentaries, and published reports by consumer watchdog organizations except''' for the following: |
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Media reprints of press releases, other publications where the company or corporation talks about itself, and advertising for the company. |
Media reprints of press releases, other publications where the company or corporation talks about itself, and advertising for the company. |
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Works carrying merely trivial coverage, such as newspaper articles that simply report extended shopping hours or the publications of telephone numbers and addresses in business directories. |
Works carrying merely trivial coverage, such as newspaper articles that simply report extended shopping hours or the publications of telephone numbers and addresses in business directories. |
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Second: The articles are not trivial coverage based on the definition given here. Since the press mentions meet the first criteria, and are not covered by any of the exceptions, then I submit that XPLANE has met the standards provided by Wikipedia. |
Second: The articles are not trivial coverage based on the definition given here. Since the press mentions meet the first criteria, and are not covered by any of the exceptions, then I submit that XPLANE has met the standards provided by Wikipedia. |
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[[User:Dgray xplane|Dgray xplane]] 22:33, 21 November 2006 (UTC) |
[[User:Dgray xplane|Dgray xplane]] 22:33, 21 November 2006 (UTC) |
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KEEP: As a professional in the field of Visual Facilitation for the past 20 years, I agree that XPLANE is an appropriate topic for Wikipedia. Their work is foundational to a field that contributes to enriched understanding of complex information for businesses and communities. As a result of my research for two books on this topic I have concluded that the capacity to use visuals, symbols, icons and other pictoral references is an important skill for the "information age". The work XPLANE provides also increases their client's capacity to think systemically -- a skill that is critical during this era of globalization.-Nancy Margulies, 21 November 2006 |
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