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Oat milk was used in Ireland in the 1920’s during my mother’s childhood. In the Irish language “ Bainne” is milk and “coirce” is oats. So they called it “bainne coirce”. In the 1950’s and 1960’s when I was a child we made it as a cool drink to quench our thirst on warm summer days working on the farm. So to claim it was invented in recent times is totally wrong. It may have been marketed commercially in recent times. But it probably has been used as milk in Ireland for a thousand plus years. <!-- Template:Unsigned IP --><small class="autosigned">— Preceding [[Wikipedia:Signatures|unsigned]] comment added by [[Special:Contributions/78.19.95.207|78.19.95.207]] ([[User talk:78.19.95.207#top|talk]]) 22:00, 30 December 2022 (UTC)</small> <!--Autosigned by SineBot--> |
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== History of first use - Esko book == |
== History of first use - Esko book == |
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An IP user has been adding to the lede the Esko book, with content: "Despite these claims, references to oat milk exist at least as early as 1980: see<ref>{{cite book|title=Macrobiotic Cooking for Everyone, page 207|year=1980|authors=Edward Eske, Wendy Eske|quote=To make oat milk, for example, ... cook one cup of whole oats with 5 cups of water until very creamy and done. Puree the oats, place them in a cheesecloth sack and squeeze out the milk|publisher=Japan Publications (from Pennsylvania State University)|url=https://books.google.com/books?id=PwsNAQAAMAAJ&q=oat+milk&dq=oat+milk&hl=en&newbks=1&newbks_redir=0&sa=X&ved=2ahUKEwjsy_2iz8rlAhUVHTQIHY8ZD4kQ6AEwBXoECAIQAg}}</ref> to support the "discovery" of oat milk in 1980, rather than in 1994 when the Swedish company, Oatly, was founded, as stated by two sources. I have reverted this addition because 1) it's more of a history background source than lede material - which I feel may be warranted to include in the History section; and 2) my primary issue: the Esko book is more of a recipe concept than one of the commercial and international significance that oat milk has become since 2016. Editors can comment to establish consensus, [[WP:CON]]. --[[User:Zefr|Zefr]] ([[User talk:Zefr|talk]]) 16:18, 3 November 2019 (UTC) |
An IP user has been adding to the lede the Esko book, with content: "Despite these claims, references to oat milk exist at least as early as 1980": see<ref>{{cite book|title=Macrobiotic Cooking for Everyone, page 207|year=1980|authors=Edward Eske, Wendy Eske|quote=To make oat milk, for example, ... cook one cup of whole oats with 5 cups of water until very creamy and done. Puree the oats, place them in a cheesecloth sack and squeeze out the milk|publisher=Japan Publications (from Pennsylvania State University)|url=https://books.google.com/books?id=PwsNAQAAMAAJ&q=oat+milk&dq=oat+milk&hl=en&newbks=1&newbks_redir=0&sa=X&ved=2ahUKEwjsy_2iz8rlAhUVHTQIHY8ZD4kQ6AEwBXoECAIQAg}}</ref> to support the "discovery" of oat milk in 1980, rather than in 1994 when the Swedish company, Oatly, was founded, as stated by two sources. I have reverted this addition because 1) it's more of a history background source than lede material - which I feel may be warranted to include in the History section; and 2) my primary issue: the Esko book is more of a recipe concept than one of the commercial and international significance that oat milk has become since 2016. Editors can comment to establish consensus, [[WP:CON]]. --[[User:Zefr|Zefr]] ([[User talk:Zefr|talk]]) 16:18, 3 November 2019 (UTC) |
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== History section needs to be re-written == |
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The first sentence of the History section conflicts with [[Almond milk]], which states that almond milk predates soy milk. <!-- Template:Unsigned IP --><small class="autosigned">— Preceding [[Wikipedia:Signatures|unsigned]] comment added by [[Special:Contributions/47.135.145.200|47.135.145.200]] ([[User talk:47.135.145.200#top|talk]]) 15:34, 20 December 2020 (UTC)</small> <!--Autosigned by SineBot--> |
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== Protein == |
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Many oat milks (in the uk at least) are low protein. Suggest the nutrition section is properly sourced and updated. [[Special:Contributions/94.12.109.43|94.12.109.43]] ([[User talk:94.12.109.43|talk]]) 19:02, 5 February 2022 (UTC) |
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:It is now sourced to a USDA page and updated, although the protein content remains the same. ~[[User:Anachronist|Anachronist]] <small>([[User talk:Anachronist|talk]])</small> 20:55, 5 February 2022 (UTC) |
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Update from the above anon user: |
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Here’s a US oat drink product with lower protein: https://silk.com/plant-based-products/oatmilk/oatmilk/ On the other hand, here’s one that is higher than Oatly: https://elmhurst1925.com/products/milked-oats I guess we just have to be super careful with these ultra processed products! <!-- Template:Unsigned IP --><small class="autosigned">— Preceding [[Wikipedia:Signatures|unsigned]] comment added by [[Special:Contributions/94.12.109.43|94.12.109.43]] ([[User talk:94.12.109.43#top|talk]]) 00:10, 6 February 2022 (UTC)</small> <!--Autosigned by SineBot--> |
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:It's all about ingredients the manufacturer chooses for individual products, likely emphasizing more of the milk-like experience (oat taste, mouthfeel, color) vs. protein content or other nutrients, such as the Original Silk Oatmilk [https://silk.com/plant-based-products/oatmilk/oatmilk/ here, devoid of protein.] All of the micronutrients shown on the panel are purposefully added during manufacturing (i.e., not derived from oats). None of the other ingredients shown is a source of protein, and so no protein is shown on the nutrition facts label. Keep in mind that oat milk is mainly filtered water and "oat concentrate" (probably 95+% water) which is used for oat color-flavor-texture. Silk has a [https://silk.com/plant-based-products/plant-based-protein-beverages/unsweet-protein/ "protein-enhanced" version fortified with pea protein] (10 g protein or 14% DV; not an oat milk), which one can assume was manufactured specifically to satisfy consumers wanting a high-protein plant beverage. [[User:Zefr|Zefr]] ([[User talk:Zefr|talk]]) 00:41, 6 February 2022 (UTC) |
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Oat milk was used in Ireland in the 1920’s during my mother’s childhood. In the Irish language “ Bainne” is milk and “coirce” is oats. So they called it “bainne coirce”. In the 1950’s and 1960’s when I was a child we made it as a cool drink to quench our thirst on warm summer days working on the farm. So to claim it was invented in recent times is totally wrong. It may have been marketed commercially in recent times. But it probably has been used as milk in Ireland for a thousand plus years. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 78.19.95.207 (talk) 22:00, 30 December 2022 (UTC)
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[edit]This article was the subject of a Wiki Education Foundation-supported course assignment, between 5 September 2018 and 10 December 2018. Further details are available on the course page. Student editor(s): Maxmiley.
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History of first use - Esko book
[edit]An IP user has been adding to the lede the Esko book, with content: "Despite these claims, references to oat milk exist at least as early as 1980": see[1] to support the "discovery" of oat milk in 1980, rather than in 1994 when the Swedish company, Oatly, was founded, as stated by two sources. I have reverted this addition because 1) it's more of a history background source than lede material - which I feel may be warranted to include in the History section; and 2) my primary issue: the Esko book is more of a recipe concept than one of the commercial and international significance that oat milk has become since 2016. Editors can comment to establish consensus, WP:CON. --Zefr (talk) 16:18, 3 November 2019 (UTC)
References
- ^ Macrobiotic Cooking for Everyone, page 207. Japan Publications (from Pennsylvania State University). 1980.
To make oat milk, for example, ... cook one cup of whole oats with 5 cups of water until very creamy and done. Puree the oats, place them in a cheesecloth sack and squeeze out the milk
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History section needs to be re-written
[edit]The first sentence of the History section conflicts with Almond milk, which states that almond milk predates soy milk. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 47.135.145.200 (talk) 15:34, 20 December 2020 (UTC)
Protein
[edit]Many oat milks (in the uk at least) are low protein. Suggest the nutrition section is properly sourced and updated. 94.12.109.43 (talk) 19:02, 5 February 2022 (UTC)
- It is now sourced to a USDA page and updated, although the protein content remains the same. ~Anachronist (talk) 20:55, 5 February 2022 (UTC)
Update from the above anon user:
Here’s a US oat drink product with lower protein: https://silk.com/plant-based-products/oatmilk/oatmilk/ On the other hand, here’s one that is higher than Oatly: https://elmhurst1925.com/products/milked-oats I guess we just have to be super careful with these ultra processed products! — Preceding unsigned comment added by 94.12.109.43 (talk) 00:10, 6 February 2022 (UTC)
- It's all about ingredients the manufacturer chooses for individual products, likely emphasizing more of the milk-like experience (oat taste, mouthfeel, color) vs. protein content or other nutrients, such as the Original Silk Oatmilk here, devoid of protein. All of the micronutrients shown on the panel are purposefully added during manufacturing (i.e., not derived from oats). None of the other ingredients shown is a source of protein, and so no protein is shown on the nutrition facts label. Keep in mind that oat milk is mainly filtered water and "oat concentrate" (probably 95+% water) which is used for oat color-flavor-texture. Silk has a "protein-enhanced" version fortified with pea protein (10 g protein or 14% DV; not an oat milk), which one can assume was manufactured specifically to satisfy consumers wanting a high-protein plant beverage. Zefr (talk) 00:41, 6 February 2022 (UTC)
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