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== pictures of children: dispute == |
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== Rugby edit == |
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I have added some information to expand this [https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Lewis_Carroll#Rugby sub-section], please feel free to correct if you find any errors. You can also message me if you have questions. [[User:Darwin Naz|Darwin Naz]] ([[User talk:Darwin Naz|talk]]) 05:34, 12 September 2018 (UTC) |
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It is claimed here that the pics of children were taken "often" in attendance of the parents. I don't think there is any evidence for this. [[User:Suspekt|Suspekt]] ([[User talk:Suspekt|talk]]) 13:35, 14 January 2024 (UTC) |
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== Child-friendship controversy == |
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Update: I removed the sentence. <!-- Template:Unsigned --><small class="autosigned">— Preceding [[Wikipedia:Signatures|unsigned]] comment added by [[User:Suspekt|Suspekt]] ([[User talk:Suspekt#top|talk]] • [[Special:Contributions/Suspekt|contribs]]) 21:50, 14 January 2024 (UTC)</small> <!--Autosigned by SineBot--> |
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A few weeks ago, I noticed that the quite substantial section headed ‘Controversies and mysteries’ was not reflected in the lede. Since the lede is meant to summarise the article, I appended a short para, referencing the claims about close friendships with children, adding that these claims had also been quite credibly refuted. |
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:Parents or chaperones. --[[User:DL5MDA|DL5MDA]] ([[User talk:DL5MDA|talk]]) 09:57, 20 February 2024 (UTC) |
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This para was deleted by 184.69.174.194 because they felt it was dangerous to use the word ‘pedophile’ without a cite. Since the word ‘paedophilia’ occurs twice in the main text, I would have thought that their critical attention should have been directed on that part of the article. However, I took the point, and replaced it with a short, discreet statement that seemed unexceptionable: ''Recent speculation about the nature of his relationships with children has foundered on lack of evidence.'' |
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== Dodgson == |
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This was promptly deleted by Johnuniq with the following comment: ''It makes no sense to say "Recent" in an article (what does it mean?); is this a summary of text in the article?.'' Yes, it certainly is a summary of text in the article. That was why I inserted it. And ‘Recent’ just means what it says: the article states that the controversy started to bulk-up in the late 20th century. And by now, the topic has plainly become an inseparable part of any research into this author. If he was quibbling with ‘how recent is recent?’, I could have understood his deletion of that word, but I don't see how it justifies deletion of the whole statement. [[User:Valetude|Valetude]] ([[User talk:Valetude|talk]]) 00:01, 16 December 2018 (UTC) |
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Every Carrollian knows that the "g" in Dodgson's name is silent. It is not pronounced. It is not supposed to be pronounced. It might be pronounced by some other people with the same name. Doesn't matter. This was discussed at length as far back as 2014, archived now, but it is still there. What can we do to stop people wrecking the IPA? -- [[User:Evertype|Evertype]]·[[User_talk:Evertype|✆]] 16:37, 26 June 2024 (UTC) |
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Didn't he say "I like all children, except boys"? I can't remember where or when, but it sounds like him. Se non e vero, e ben trovato [[User:Seadowns|Seadowns]] ([[User talk:Seadowns|talk]]) 13:01, 26 April 2019 (UTC) |
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:You could insert an [[MOS:COMMENT|invisible comment]]. [[User:Pillowcrow|<b style="color:orange">pillow</b>]][[User talk:Pillowcrow|<span style="color: gray">'''crow'''</span>]] 17:09, 26 June 2024 (UTC) |
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== Unclosed template == |
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== Alice/Alice Liddell identification issue in opening para == |
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It's the third of three citation needed span templates in the section Speculation of sexual conduct by scholars (1940s onwards). It was closed to the end of the paragraph at one point, but there is now a paywalled reference there, so I can't tell if it should be moved back further or simply deleted. [[User:Clarityfiend|Clarityfiend]] ([[User talk:Clarityfiend|talk]]) 23:01, 25 December 2024 (UTC) |
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The opening paragraph of the article currently has this sentence |
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:The cn was added on [[Special:Diff/1251947789|19 October 2024]] and a reference was inserted on [[Special:Diff/1258896327|22 November 2024]] without the closing double braces. Assuming the new citation verified the text, the second diff should have removed the cn. You should be able to get free access to JSTOR. At [[WP:LIBRARY]], follow the "Get free access to research" link. [[User:Johnuniq|Johnuniq]] ([[User talk:Johnuniq|talk]]) 01:08, 26 December 2024 (UTC) |
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:Alice Liddell, daughter of the Dean of Christ Church, Henry Liddell, is widely identified as the original for Alice in Wonderland, though Carroll always denied this. |
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This doesn't belong in the opening paragraph, it should be with the material relating to the Alice books, if it needs to be in the article at all. |
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[[User:Guyalsfere|Guyal of Sfere]] ([[User talk:Guyalsfere|talk]]) 18:33, 23 June 2019 (UTC) |
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::What you call the ‘opening paragraph’ is the lede section, which is meant to summarise the article as a whole. The issue of Alice’s origins is duly covered in the article, and it is a major debating point, of enduring interest to the public at large. [[User:Valetude|Valetude]] ([[User talk:Valetude|talk]]) 08:58, 24 June 2019 (UTC) |
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== Something about photos == |
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New user [[User:DarwinGalileiHerschelHuygens]] is dumping a bunch of sources about photos; many of them are blogs. The actual text they're adding to the article doesn't seem connected to the rest of the section, nor does it convey much from the sources. I am opening this discussion in the hopes that they explain what they're trying to accomplish instead of edit-warring. --[[User:Joel B. Lewis|JBL]] ([[User_talk:Joel_B._Lewis|talk]]) 22:01, 17 February 2020 (UTC) |
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:No, of course I don't want to get into an edit war; all I want to do is make an edit. |
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:The external links section contained a link to a site which presented a hoax as if it were an authentic 19th century photograph; specifically, two photos, one of a grown man and the other of a seven-year-old girl, were photoshopped together in such a way that they appear to be inappropriately kissing. My latest edit is an attempt at compromise; I deleted the link to the spurious site, without adding text or sources of my own. |
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:I should add that there are any number of other sources on this article which I do not agree with, but which I have made no attempt to delete. The difference is that they are not based on hoaxes. One is entitled to one's own opinions, but not one's own facts. <!-- Template:Unsigned --><small class="autosigned">— Preceding [[Wikipedia:Signatures|unsigned]] comment added by [[User:DarwinGalileiHerschelHuygens|DarwinGalileiHerschelHuygens]] ([[User talk:DarwinGalileiHerschelHuygens#top|talk]] • [[Special:Contributions/DarwinGalileiHerschelHuygens|contribs]]) 22:56, 17 February 2020 (UTC)</small> <!--Autosigned by SineBot--> |
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:: Thanks for your explanation -- I doubt very much that anyone will object to your most recent edit! --[[User:Joel B. Lewis|JBL]] ([[User_talk:Joel_B._Lewis|talk]]) 23:13, 17 February 2020 (UTC) |
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You're very welcome. Unfortunately, someone just restored the link. Again. [[User:DarwinGalileiHerschelHuygens|DarwinGalileiHerschelHuygens]] ([[User talk:DarwinGalileiHerschelHuygens|talk]]) 00:02, 18 February 2020 (UTC) |
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pictures of children: dispute
[edit]It is claimed here that the pics of children were taken "often" in attendance of the parents. I don't think there is any evidence for this. Suspekt (talk) 13:35, 14 January 2024 (UTC)
Update: I removed the sentence. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Suspekt (talk • contribs) 21:50, 14 January 2024 (UTC)
- Parents or chaperones. --DL5MDA (talk) 09:57, 20 February 2024 (UTC)
Dodgson
[edit]Every Carrollian knows that the "g" in Dodgson's name is silent. It is not pronounced. It is not supposed to be pronounced. It might be pronounced by some other people with the same name. Doesn't matter. This was discussed at length as far back as 2014, archived now, but it is still there. What can we do to stop people wrecking the IPA? -- Evertype·✆ 16:37, 26 June 2024 (UTC)
- You could insert an invisible comment. pillowcrow 17:09, 26 June 2024 (UTC)
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[edit]It's the third of three citation needed span templates in the section Speculation of sexual conduct by scholars (1940s onwards). It was closed to the end of the paragraph at one point, but there is now a paywalled reference there, so I can't tell if it should be moved back further or simply deleted. Clarityfiend (talk) 23:01, 25 December 2024 (UTC)
- The cn was added on 19 October 2024 and a reference was inserted on 22 November 2024 without the closing double braces. Assuming the new citation verified the text, the second diff should have removed the cn. You should be able to get free access to JSTOR. At WP:LIBRARY, follow the "Get free access to research" link. Johnuniq (talk) 01:08, 26 December 2024 (UTC)
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