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This page is horribly written with unproven statements that are passed off as fact. Beginning a sentence with "this is because" without adding any cited proof is mere conjecture that would not stand in an academic setting because it states a normative belief, not fact.

2605:E000:100B:73:DC0:6DE6:1AC5:7FA6 (talk) 09:19, 3 February 2019 (UTC)[reply]

"Possibly the biggest change could be made by holding police officers accountable for their actions."

Since when is it the job of an encyclopedia to suggest how social problems might be solved? lol

This article is too subjective and most of the data is either straight up incorrect or changed to worsen view towards black people. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 85.76.144.28 (talk) 19:43, 18 March 2020 (UTC)[reply]

Stale Sources

The page heavily relies on and promotes the Guardian's "The Counted" database. However, that database hasn't been maintained since 2016. On the other hand, the Washington Post's police shooting database is current. (vr (talk) 19:06, 27 May 2020 (UTC))[reply]

Globalize

This is very U.S. focused in both the underlying assumption of the text and in the sources. This either needs to reflect a worldwide discussion, or a rewrite to make it explicit that page is focused on the U.S. - Andrewaskew (talk) 05:20, 7 March 2019 (UTC)[reply]

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More than twice as many Whites (than Blacks) are killed: ^[1] https://usamurder.blogspot.com/2016/01/blog-post.html TheKenTop (talk) 11:26, 4 July 2019 (UTC)[reply]

Not sure what this is doing here; blog references are not authoritative. (vr (talk) 19:06, 27 May 2020 (UTC))[reply]

I added a reference with the stats and explanations, showing that whites are more than twice as likely to be killed compared to blacks. ^[2] And here is a reference debunking the existence of a "shooting bias"; it shows than black police officers are 67% more likely to shoot blacks suspects compared to white police officers, and Hispanic police officers are even 145% more likely to do so compared to white police officers. ^[3] And lastly, here is a reference showing that (white) police officers are more than 18x as likely to be shot by a black suspect than vice versa, an important fact to take into account when discussing claims of "racial bias". ^[4] Psych0-007 (talk) 07:32, oktobre 16th 2022 (CET) — Preceding undated comment added 05:42, 16 October 2022 (UTC)[reply]

References

Removal of "Ways to reduce shooting bias".

This section is very opinion based and doesn't belong on Wikipedia. Statements like "The work culture within the police is highly racist, as many recent scandals have shown." clearly don't belong, but I believe the entire "Ways to reduce shooting bias" section should be removed, as it contains similar non-neutral statements. I don't have the experience to clean up and edit the section to fit the Wikipedia format, but I believe it should be removed until a cleanup is complete.

75.81.11.96 (talk) 23:14, 29 May 2020 (UTC)[reply]

Improvements are always needed but let us not throw out the baby with the bathwater. The section has reliable references, if there's a counter-opinion with references (ie: the police are not racist) then it should be included as well. Ifnord (talk) 16:11, 30 May 2020 (UTC)[reply]

Some Proposed Changes

Hello, I am employed by Boston University's Fineman & Pappas Law Libraries. After reviewing this Wikipedia page, I believe that information from one of our faculty's scholarship might provide a valuable addition to this page. I would appreciate it if this requested edit could be reviewed.

This edit request by an editor with a conflict of interest has now been answered.

Add citation to first sentence of article defining shooting bias:^[1]

Add sentence to first paragraph of article: Shooting bias is not limited to one race, as studies have shown that both Black and White individuals demonstrated almost equivalent levels of shooting bias.^[2]

Add citation to first paragraph of 'Implicit Racial Bias' section defining (1) implicit racial bias and (2) explaining the relation with shooting bias:^[3]

Cf2022 (talk) 06:04, 18 January 2021 (UTC)Cf2022 Add sentence to end of first paragraph of 'Implicit Racial Bias' section defining: Implicit biases are directly correlated with shooting behavior.^[4][reply]

Done Zoozaz1 talk 22:29, 30 March 2021 (UTC)[reply]

References

^ Feingold, Jonathon; Lorang, Karen (2010). "Defusing Implicit Bias". UCLA Law Review Discourse. 59.
^ Benforado, Adam (2010). "Quick on the Draw: Implicit Bias and the Second Amendment,". Oregon Law Review. 89.
^ Feingold, Jonathon; Lorang, Karen (2010). "Defusing Implicit Bias". UCLA Law Review Discourse. 59.
^ Feingold, Jonathon; Lorang, Karen (2010). "Defusing Implicit Bias". UCLA Law Review Discourse. 59.

[1] ttps://usamurder.blogspot.com/2016/01/blog-post.html

[2] ttps://www.dailywire.com/news/5-statistics-you-need-know-about-cops-killing-aaron-bandler

[3] ttps://www.nationalreview.com/2019/07/white-cops-dont-commit-more-shootings/

[4] ttps://www.nationalreview.com/corner/flames-from-false-narratives/

[5] Feingold, Jonathon; Lorang, Karen (2010). "Defusing Implicit Bias". UCLA Law Review Discourse. 59.

[6] Benforado, Adam (2010). "Quick on the Draw: Implicit Bias and the Second Amendment,". Oregon Law Review. 89.

[7] Feingold, Jonathon; Lorang, Karen (2010). "Defusing Implicit Bias". UCLA Law Review Discourse. 59.

[8] Feingold, Jonathon; Lorang, Karen (2010). "Defusing Implicit Bias". UCLA Law Review Discourse. 59.

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 :Not sure what this is doing here; blog references are not authoritative. ([[User:Vromascanu|vr]] ([[User talk:Vromascanu|talk]]) 19:06, 27 May 2020 (UTC))
+I added a reference with the stats and explanations, showing that whites are more than twice as likely to be killed compared to blacks.
+<ref>https://www.dailywire.com/news/5-statistics-you-need-know-about-cops-killing-aaron-bandler</ref>
+And here is a reference debunking the existence of a "shooting bias"; it shows than black police officers are 67% more likely to shoot blacks suspects compared to white police officers, and Hispanic police officers are even 145% more likely to do so compared to white police officers.
+<ref>https://www.nationalreview.com/2019/07/white-cops-dont-commit-more-shootings/</ref>
+And lastly, here is a reference showing that (white) police officers are more than 18x as likely to be shot by a black suspect than vice versa, an important fact to take into account when discussing claims of "racial bias".
+<ref>https://www.nationalreview.com/corner/flames-from-false-narratives/</ref>
+[[User:Psych0-007|Psych0-007]] ([[User talk:Psych0-007|talk]]) 07:32, oktobre 16th 2022 (CET)  <!--Template:Undated--><small class="autosigned">—&nbsp;Preceding [[Wikipedia:Signatures|undated]] comment added 05:42, 16 October 2022 (UTC)</small> <!--Autosigned by SineBot-->
+{{reflist-talk}}
+== Removal of "Ways to reduce shooting bias". ==
+This section is very opinion based and doesn't belong on Wikipedia. Statements like "The work culture within the police is highly racist, as many recent scandals have shown." clearly don't belong, but I believe the entire "Ways to reduce shooting bias" section should be removed, as it contains similar non-neutral statements. I don't have the experience to clean up and edit the section to fit the Wikipedia format, but I believe it should be removed until a cleanup is complete.
+[[Special:Contributions/75.81.11.96|75.81.11.96]] ([[User talk:75.81.11.96|talk]]) 23:14, 29 May 2020 (UTC)
+:Improvements are always needed but let us not throw out the baby with the bathwater. The section has reliable references, if there's a counter-opinion with references (ie: the police are not racist) then it should be included as well. [[User:Ifnord|Ifnord]] ([[User talk:Ifnord|talk]]) 16:11, 30 May 2020 (UTC)
+== Some Proposed Changes ==
+Hello, I am employed by Boston University's Fineman & Pappas Law Libraries. After reviewing this Wikipedia page, I believe that information from one of our faculty's scholarship might provide a valuable addition to this page. I would appreciate it if this requested edit could be reviewed.
+{{edit COI|answered=yes}}
+'''Add citation to first sentence of article defining shooting bias:'''<ref>{{cite journal |last1=Feingold |first1=Jonathon |last2=Lorang |first2=Karen |title=Defusing Implicit Bias |journal=UCLA Law Review Discourse |date=2010 |volume=59 |url=https://scholarship.law.bu.edu/faculty_scholarship/827}}</ref>
+'''
+'''Add sentence to first paragraph of article:''' Shooting bias is not limited to one race, as studies have shown that both Black and White individuals demonstrated almost equivalent levels of shooting bias.<ref>{{cite journal |last1=Benforado |first1=Adam |title=Quick on the Draw: Implicit Bias and the Second Amendment, |journal=Oregon Law Review |date=2010 |volume=89 |url=https://papers.ssrn.com/sol3/papers.cfm?abstract_id=1701089}}</ref>
+'''Add citation to first paragraph of 'Implicit Racial Bias' section defining (1) implicit racial bias and (2) explaining the relation with shooting bias:'''<ref>{{cite journal |last1=Feingold |first1=Jonathon |last2=Lorang |first2=Karen |title=Defusing Implicit Bias |journal=UCLA Law Review Discourse |date=2010 |volume=59 |url=https://scholarship.law.bu.edu/faculty_scholarship/827}}</ref>
+'''
+[[User:Cf2022|Cf2022]] ([[User talk:Cf2022|talk]]) 06:04, 18 January 2021 (UTC)Cf2022
+'''Add sentence to end of first paragraph of 'Implicit Racial Bias' section defining:''' Implicit biases are directly correlated with shooting behavior.<ref>{{cite journal |last1=Feingold |first1=Jonathon |last2=Lorang |first2=Karen |title=Defusing Implicit Bias |journal=UCLA Law Review Discourse |date=2010 |volume=59 |url=https://scholarship.law.bu.edu/faculty_scholarship/827}}</ref>
+:{{Done}} <span style="font-family:DrukarniaPolska"><span style="background:#f70202">[[User:Zoozaz1|<b style="color: #fffb00">Zoozaz1</b>]] [[User talk:Zoozaz1|<b style="color: #fffb00">talk</b>]]</span></span> 22:29, 30 March 2021 (UTC)
+{{reflist-talk}}