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== Room 222 Walt Whitman High School ==
== Semi-protected edit request on 8 August 2018 ==

Could somebody please add under “Film and Television” that the TV show “Room 222” (https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Room_222) was set in Walt Whitman High School? [[Special:Contributions/2607:FEA8:3F00:3B:3484:FC76:341F:8BE1|2607:FEA8:3F00:3B:3484:FC76:341F:8BE1]] ([[User talk:2607:FEA8:3F00:3B:3484:FC76:341F:8BE1|talk]]) 00:21, 11 June 2022 (UTC)
:Sounds very trivial; two steps removed from the main subject of this article. See [[WP:CRUFT]]. --[[User:Midnightdreary|Midnightdreary]] ([[User talk:Midnightdreary|talk]]) 11:27, 11 June 2022 (UTC)


== Unprotection? ==
Include Walt Whitman in American Socialists.


Yesterday, someone made a really bad unprotection request for this article at [[WP:RFPP]]. I rejected it out of hand. Then, I came to look and noticed that this page was semi-protected indefinitely 11 years ago. {{u|Courcelles}}, the admin who protected the page back then, isn't presently active. If any regular editors/watchers of this page are okay with it, I'll test out unprotection for this page. – [[User:Muboshgu|Muboshgu]] ([[User talk:Muboshgu#top|talk]]) 15:49, 6 August 2022 (UTC)
== Semi-protected edit request on 13 March 2019 ==
:We can try it and I'll be watching, as I'm sure others will be too. --[[User:Midnightdreary|Midnightdreary]] ([[User talk:Midnightdreary|talk]]) 23:09, 6 August 2022 (UTC)
::[[File:Pictogram voting keep.svg|20px|link=|alt=]] '''Unprotected'''<!-- Template:RFPP#unpr --> Let's try it out. &ndash;&nbsp;[[User:Muboshgu|Muboshgu]]&nbsp;([[User talk:Muboshgu#top|talk]]) 22:04, 7 August 2022 (UTC)


== Was Whitman present at John Brown's execution? ==
{{edit semi-protected|Walt Whitman|answered=yes}}
Like to add a little bit about how w.w. was a minor point with Breaking Bad, TV show [[User:Pabth0s0n|Pabth0s0n]] ([[User talk:Pabth0s0n|talk]]) 21:39, 13 March 2019 (UTC)
:{{not done}} Just too minor to warrant inclusion here, I think. There's no other "in other media" type trivia in the "Legacy and influence" section and this sort of material is generally shunned at Wikipedia. Perhaps worth mentioning at ''[[Breaking Bad]]'' (although pretty insignificant even there), but not here. [[User:Martinevans123|Martinevans123]] ([[User talk:Martinevans123|talk]]) 21:50, 13 March 2019 (UTC)
:[[File:Red information icon with gradient background.svg|20px|link=|alt=]]&nbsp;'''Not done:'''<!-- Template:ESp --> per above [[User:DannyS712|DannyS712]] ([[User talk:DannyS712|talk]]) 07:37, 14 March 2019 (UTC)


One article ([[Virginia v. John Brown#Spectators]]) says he was present, and another ([[John Brown's raid on Harpers Ferry]]) that he was not. I'm hoping someone knows or can easily find out which is right. [[User:Deisenbe|deisenbe]] ([[User talk:Deisenbe|talk]]) 13:02, 24 March 2023 (UTC)
== Opinions and facts need to be kept separate ==


:I would expect to see it in [https://archive.org/details/whitmanchronolog0000krie/page/38/mode/2up A Whitman Chronology] if he was, in fact, there, and it is not. Same with [https://muse.jhu.edu/article/510154 this article]. He describes the execution in the poem "Year of Meteors" [https://www.google.com/books/edition/Text_Presentation_2019/cT3VDwAAQBAJ?hl=en&gbpv=1&dq=walt+whitman+at+john+brown%27s+execution&pg=PA52&printsec=frontcover], but [[Walt Whitman's lectures on Abraham Lincoln|has been known to present famous events as if he was there, even if he was not]]. [[User:Eddie891|Eddie891]] <small>''<sup> [[User talk:Eddie891|Talk]]</sup> <sub>[[Special:Contributions/Eddie891|Work]]</sub>'' </small> 13:37, 24 March 2023 (UTC)
Whitman lived in a specific political time and was outspoken about much of the politics in his journalism and letters. Opinions regarding his attitudes toward different races and sex should be kept separate and labeled as opinions since to read Whitman literally he felt everyone was equal in each regard. Working in Washington D.C. first with the Bureau of Indian Affairs and then with the Attorney General meant that Whitman was aware of much of the political climate of his times and that he had a unique perspective on the Civil War as he first watched and then assisted with the tremendous amount of returning soldiers wounded and dying who lined the National Mall in tents. Whitman's main duty was to help the soldiers write letters home and to assist with simple medical procedures like changing bandages; however, his interaction with these soldiers changed his poetry and his outlook considerably. His letters show a distinctly different voice developing as he worked with the soldiers more and grew into the poet we know today. After his first stroke left him unable to continue his duties he still wrote about the experiences and attempted to make sense of what he experienced.
:[https://iwp.uiowa.edu/whitmanweb/en/writings/civil-war/week-4/year-of-meteors "The speaker of Whitman’s poem imagines himself present at Brown’s hanging"] holds the implication that Whitman was not actually there. [[User:Eddie891|Eddie891]] <small>''<sup> [[User talk:Eddie891|Talk]]</sup> <sub>[[Special:Contributions/Eddie891|Work]]</sub>'' </small> 13:49, 24 March 2023 (UTC)


== Reorganization of article ==
Suggesting that Whitman had racist overtones or explicit writings on his own personal sexuality is hard to prove. There are passages which explain certain situations he encountered but with a more journalistic writing than an extant statement on race relations or sex. It is difficult to separate any artist from the world of experiences they had and we should not attempt to do that by using opinions and interpretations of Whitman's work when simply explaining his work, life and influence. At the very least opinions and interpretations should be marked as such in any listing. <!-- Template:Unsigned --><small class="autosigned">—&nbsp;Preceding [[Wikipedia:Signatures|unsigned]] comment added by [[User:JulesHef|JulesHef]] ([[User talk:JulesHef#top|talk]] • [[Special:Contributions/JulesHef|contribs]]) 02:28, 21 March 2019 (UTC)</small> <!--Autosigned by SineBot-->


Hello! I wanted to see if we can come to consensus on the recent reorganization of the article. Previously, it had been written chronologically, as are most of the articles I've seen on authors. Now, it seems like several sections (i.e. components of his beliefs, etc.) are spliced. To me, it looks like the subsection on "Health decline and death" will be about his beliefs regarding declining health and death. Additionally, the article is guilty of [[WP:OVERLINK|overlinking]] -- Camden, New Jersey is apparently now linked six times. More importantly, I think for such a substantive reorganization of an article that has been recognized as a Good Article, we should have some conversation to come to consensus. Any thoughts? --[[User:Midnightdreary|Midnightdreary]] ([[User talk:Midnightdreary|talk]]) 23:55, 26 March 2023 (UTC)
==Internal link to Mary Berenson==
:I also see this editor misrepresented the editor Samuel E. Clements as Mark Twain, though they are certainly not the same person. These edits are suspect to me now. --[[User:Midnightdreary|Midnightdreary]] ([[User talk:Midnightdreary|talk]]) 13:41, 27 March 2023 (UTC)
The article mentions "Mary Smith Whitall Costelloe"; this ought actually to be "Mary Whitall Smith Costelloe", she being born "Mary Whitall Smith", daughter of Logan Pearsall Smith and Hannah Whitall Smith (as her own article indicates). Search results- including the Whitman Archive- only bring up the latter, with nothing for "Mary Smith Whitall Costelloe". She was apparently at any rate better known as "Mary Berenson", per the title of her article, but either way an internal link could usefully be added to this article. <!-- Template:Unsigned IP --><small class="autosigned">—&nbsp;Preceding [[Wikipedia:Signatures|unsigned]] comment added by [[Special:Contributions/78.144.66.120|78.144.66.120]] ([[User talk:78.144.66.120#top|talk]]) 14:58, 26 May 2020 (UTC)</small> <!--Autosigned by SineBot-->
:I think the original organization makes more sense, especially about the movement of 'health decline and death' (ie it should be moved back) [[User:Eddie891|Eddie891]] <small>''<sup> [[User talk:Eddie891|Talk]]</sup> <sub>[[Special:Contributions/Eddie891|Work]]</sub>'' </small> 14:10, 27 March 2023 (UTC)
:Thank you so much for this comment. How certain are we that this is the same person? I can easily make that update and link if appropriate to do so. --[[User:Midnightdreary|Midnightdreary]] ([[User talk:Midnightdreary|talk]]) 17:42, 26 May 2020 (UTC)


== [[Brooklyn Apprentices' Library]] ==
== Walt Whitman Statue at Rutgers Camden ==


Just created an article on this library. Whitman witnessed [[Lafayette]] place the cornerstone to the library when he was six years old and later wrote about it 60 years later in "Lafayette in Brooklyn". (see article) He also later worked as a librarian at that library.[[User:4meter4|4meter4]] ([[User talk:4meter4|talk]]) 15:54, 22 August 2023 (UTC)
In the legacy/statues section, the Walt Whitman statue in front of the campus center/union should be mentioned, the campus green is a few blocks from the Walt Whitman House.

Latest revision as of 03:53, 20 October 2024

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Room 222 Walt Whitman High School

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Could somebody please add under “Film and Television” that the TV show “Room 222” (https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Room_222) was set in Walt Whitman High School? 2607:FEA8:3F00:3B:3484:FC76:341F:8BE1 (talk) 00:21, 11 June 2022 (UTC)[reply]

Sounds very trivial; two steps removed from the main subject of this article. See WP:CRUFT. --Midnightdreary (talk) 11:27, 11 June 2022 (UTC)[reply]

Unprotection?

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Yesterday, someone made a really bad unprotection request for this article at WP:RFPP. I rejected it out of hand. Then, I came to look and noticed that this page was semi-protected indefinitely 11 years ago. Courcelles, the admin who protected the page back then, isn't presently active. If any regular editors/watchers of this page are okay with it, I'll test out unprotection for this page. – Muboshgu (talk) 15:49, 6 August 2022 (UTC)[reply]

We can try it and I'll be watching, as I'm sure others will be too. --Midnightdreary (talk) 23:09, 6 August 2022 (UTC)[reply]
Unprotected Let's try it out. – Muboshgu (talk) 22:04, 7 August 2022 (UTC)[reply]

Was Whitman present at John Brown's execution?

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One article (Virginia v. John Brown#Spectators) says he was present, and another (John Brown's raid on Harpers Ferry) that he was not. I'm hoping someone knows or can easily find out which is right. deisenbe (talk) 13:02, 24 March 2023 (UTC)[reply]

I would expect to see it in A Whitman Chronology if he was, in fact, there, and it is not. Same with this article. He describes the execution in the poem "Year of Meteors" [1], but has been known to present famous events as if he was there, even if he was not. Eddie891 Talk Work 13:37, 24 March 2023 (UTC)[reply]
"The speaker of Whitman’s poem imagines himself present at Brown’s hanging" holds the implication that Whitman was not actually there. Eddie891 Talk Work 13:49, 24 March 2023 (UTC)[reply]

Reorganization of article

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Hello! I wanted to see if we can come to consensus on the recent reorganization of the article. Previously, it had been written chronologically, as are most of the articles I've seen on authors. Now, it seems like several sections (i.e. components of his beliefs, etc.) are spliced. To me, it looks like the subsection on "Health decline and death" will be about his beliefs regarding declining health and death. Additionally, the article is guilty of overlinking -- Camden, New Jersey is apparently now linked six times. More importantly, I think for such a substantive reorganization of an article that has been recognized as a Good Article, we should have some conversation to come to consensus. Any thoughts? --Midnightdreary (talk) 23:55, 26 March 2023 (UTC)[reply]

I also see this editor misrepresented the editor Samuel E. Clements as Mark Twain, though they are certainly not the same person. These edits are suspect to me now. --Midnightdreary (talk) 13:41, 27 March 2023 (UTC)[reply]
I think the original organization makes more sense, especially about the movement of 'health decline and death' (ie it should be moved back) Eddie891 Talk Work 14:10, 27 March 2023 (UTC)[reply]

Just created an article on this library. Whitman witnessed Lafayette place the cornerstone to the library when he was six years old and later wrote about it 60 years later in "Lafayette in Brooklyn". (see article) He also later worked as a librarian at that library.4meter4 (talk) 15:54, 22 August 2023 (UTC)[reply]