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Was William Shockley actually one of the threesome who invented the point contact transistor?

In the article, it says, "The first working device was a point-contact transistor invented in 1947 by physicists John Bardeen, Walter Brattain, and William Shockley". However, I found a different article on the website Electronic Design, authored by Lou Frenzel, that gives contradictory information. Link: https://www.electronicdesign.com/technologies/analog/article/21808701/who-really-did-invent-the-transistor In the article, it says that William Shockley was not included in the first point contact transistor patent. Not sure what the correct action would be, though. Attihoch (talk) 17:18, 7 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Collector should be at top of PNP symbol

The PNP symbol under "Electronic symbol" should be flipped vertically, to put the collector at the top. That's the way it's usually shown in schematics. BMJ-pdx (talk) 13:23, 28 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]

I see it both ways. Constant314 (talk) 19:23, 28 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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-== Transistor aging compared to a vacuum tube ==
-Is it really appropriate to include aging as a limitation in a section ''comparing them to tubes?''  In isolation it would be a valid concern but compared against a tube with almost infintiely worse long term reliability it becomes an advantage rather than a limitation.  I was tempted to simply snip that on sight but I figure I'll raise it here first, I know people can be hesitant to remove sourced material even if as here the source does not directly support the assertion made - the source does not even mention tubes. [[User:3142|3142]] ([[User talk:3142|talk]]) 13:55, 7 January 2019 (UTC)
-:I used to work for a semiconductor manufacturer. One of my duties was to waive failures in the accelerated aging tests, provided a reason for the premature failure could be found that would not occur in real products. I agree the bullet about aging of transistors should be removed. [[User:Jc3s5h|Jc3s5h]] ([[User talk:Jc3s5h|talk]]) 15:28, 7 January 2019 (UTC)
-== Wrong link ==
-N3904 transistor has incorrect datasheet link  <!-- Template:Unsigned IP --><small class="autosigned">—&nbsp;Preceding [[Wikipedia:Signatures|unsigned]] comment added by [[Special:Contributions/195.222.90.140|195.222.90.140]] ([[User talk:195.222.90.140#top|talk]]) 12:28, 9 October 2019 (UTC)</small> <!--Autosigned by SineBot-->
-:Fixed. [[User:Jc3s5h|Jc3s5h]] ([[User talk:Jc3s5h|talk]]) 13:55, 9 October 2019 (UTC)
-==Germans made the first working Transistor ==
-The world's first working device was built in Paris by German scientists [[Herbert Mataré]] and [[Heinrich Welker]] , who preceded the Bell Labs, Moreover their prototype was more advanced than the prototype of Bell Labs. See:  https://spectrum.ieee.org/tech-history/silicon-revolution/how-europe-missed-the-transistor
-Just because the War Crimes of Germans , it was impossible to receive Global attention for Germans after the war.--[[User:Regtraht|Regtraht]] ([[User talk:Regtraht|talk]]) 18:01, 16 November 2019 (UTC)
-"he French device “turns out...to be superior to its American counterpart,” read a more measured but still favorable account in Toute la Radio, a technical journal [see drawing and photo]. “The latter has a limited lifetime and appears to be fairly unstable, whereas the existing transistrons do not show any sign of fatigue.”
+== Was William Shockley actually one of the threesome who invented the point contact transistor? ==
-According to Mataré, this superiority could be attributed to the care they employed in fabricating their devices. While observing the process with microscopes, the women working on the small assembly line would measure current-voltage curves for both metal points with oscilloscopes and fix the points rigidly on the germanium with drops of epoxy after the curves matched the desired characteristics. When Brattain and Shockley visited the Paris group in 1950, Mataré showed them telephone amplifiers made with his transistrons—which allowed him to place a call all the way to Algiers. “That’s quite something,” admitted Shockley a bit guardedly, Mataré recalls half a century later."  <!-- Template:Unsigned --><small class="autosigned">—&nbsp;Preceding [[Wikipedia:Signatures|unsigned]] comment added by [[User:Regtraht|Regtraht]] ([[User talk:Regtraht#top|talk]] • [[Special:Contributions/Regtraht|contribs]]) 19:28, 16 November 2019 (UTC)</small> <!--Autosigned by SineBot-->
+In the article, it says, "The first working device was a [[point-contact transistor]] invented in 1947 by physicists [[John Bardeen]], [[Walter Brattain]], and [[William Shockley]]". However, I found a different article on the website Electronic Design, authored by Lou Frenzel, that gives contradictory information. Link: https://www.electronicdesign.com/technologies/analog/article/21808701/who-really-did-invent-the-transistor In the article, it says that William Shockley was '''not''' included in the first point contact transistor patent. Not sure what the correct action would be, though. [[User:Attihoch|Attihoch]] ([[User talk:Attihoch|talk]]) 17:18, 7 November 2024 (UTC)
-:The Spectrum article states, "Mataré reckons he first recognized this effect in early 1948 ('''perhaps a month or two after Bardeen and Brattain’s breakthrough at Bell Labs''')." (empahsis added)  Near simultaneous invention is not uncommon but this seems to clearly establish that the Paris invention was second.  [[User:Tom94022|Tom94022]] ([[User talk:Tom94022|talk]]) 19:50, 16 November 2019 (UTC)
+== Collector should be at top of PNP symbol ==
+The PNP symbol under "Electronic symbol" should be flipped vertically, to put the collector at the top.  That's the way it's usually shown in schematics.  [[User:BMJ-pdx|BMJ-pdx]] ([[User talk:BMJ-pdx|talk]]) 13:23, 28 November 2024 (UTC)
-'''Your reference article also says the following ...'''
+:I see it both ways. [[User:Constant314|<b style="color: #4400bb;">''Constant314''</b>]] ([[User talk:Constant314|talk]]) 19:23, 28 November 2024 (UTC)
-''"On a hunch, he asked Welker to fashion larger germanium samples, from which they could cut slivers of higher purity. Using this higher-grade material, '''Mataré finally got consistent amplification in June 1948, six months after Bardeen and Brattain.''' Encouraged by this success, they phoned PTT Secretary Eugène Thomas and invited him over for a demonstration. But Thomas was apparently too busy—or perhaps not interested enough—to come by."''
+== DC Machine  ==
-Finally, Matare was able to finally get transistor amplification to work on his "Transitron" device (June 1948) and he had applied for a patent on August 13th 1948, well after Bell Labs transistor's discovery and announcement.
-[[User:Historianbuff|Historianbuff]] ([[User talk:Historianbuff|talk]]) 22:40, 19 November 2019 (UTC)
+Way of the electronic [[Special:Contributions/2402:E000:5AB:6547:0:0:0:1|2402:E000:5AB:6547:0:0:0:1]] ([[User talk:2402:E000:5AB:6547:0:0:0:1|talk]]) 08:53, 26 December 2024 (UTC)
-==Symbology==
-If it worth mention the old symbology. https://mixedsignal.wordpress.com/2015/12/14/the-transistor-symbol/ --[[User:Kitchen Knife|Kitchen Knife]] ([[User talk:Kitchen Knife|talk]]) 22:58, 5 August 2020 (UTC)
-:There were a number of early symbols for transistors. For example, IBM used its own symbols for bipolar transistors from the 1950s through the 1990s. [[User:Jc3s5h|Jc3s5h]] ([[User talk:Jc3s5h|talk]]) 23:14, 5 August 2020 (UTC)