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== Rhea Chakraborty tops the list of Times 50 Most Desirable Women of 2020 == |
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please share any info any1 know about rhea chakraborty... this might be very useful in updating her wikipedia page. thank you in advance |
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I m removing this "She resembles actress Genelia D souza." What is that even suppose to mean? <span style="font-size: smaller;" class="autosigned">— Preceding [[Wikipedia:Signatures|unsigned]] comment added by [[Special:Contributions/49.248.170.142|49.248.170.142]] ([[User talk:49.248.170.142|talk]]) 14:14, 23 December 2013 (UTC)</span><!-- Template:Unsigned IP --> <!--Autosigned by SineBot--> |
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== Sushant Singh death == |
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Police grilled her for her alleged involvement in Sushant Singh’s death. This details should be added. <!-- Template:Unsigned IP --><small class="autosigned">— Preceding [[Wikipedia:Signatures|unsigned]] comment added by [[Special:Contributions/2402:3A80:128B:8CA3:99A6:7801:3D58:D583|2402:3A80:128B:8CA3:99A6:7801:3D58:D583]] ([[User talk:2402:3A80:128B:8CA3:99A6:7801:3D58:D583#top|talk]]) 12:43, 7 July 2020 (UTC)</small> <!--Autosigned by SineBot--> |
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:I'm sure the police are speaking to anyone who might have information about Sushant Singh Rajput. This is not relevant to this encyclopedia article. Wikipedia is not a tabloid. [[User:Schazjmd|<span style="color:#9966FF;">Schazjmd</span>]] [[User talk:Schazjmd|<span style="color:#5500FF;">''(talk)''</span>]] 14:04, 7 July 2020 (UTC) |
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AGREE with the original poster in this talk section. This article seems to be too premature to come up in public domain & the timing seems to be uncanny. This case is being investigated in MULTIPLE ANGLES. |
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We don't know how many skeletons will come out of this case or whether anything will happen. Its best for this article to be either deleted or reformatted. |
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Also please don't use phrases like "Misogynistic", etc. to give the color of inter gender disputes, which this is NOT. This is about some other serious issues. |
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Unless the matter is cross verified, please don't give unnecessary opinion here. |
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As far as the investigations are concerned, they are still going on, so please don't pre-decide on the information. |
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--[[User:A2c1|A2c1]] ([[User talk:A2c1|talk]]) 18:45, 9 September 2020 (UTC) |
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:The word "misogynistic" is supported by the [https://www.bbc.com/news/world-asia-india-53932725 cited source (BBC),] which states: {{tq|She has become the subject of gossip and innuendo and misogynistic abuse.}} [[User:NedFausa|NedFausa]] ([[User talk:NedFausa|talk]]) 19:29, 9 September 2020 (UTC) |
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== Semi-protected edit request on 16 July 2020 == |
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Her relationship with Sushant Singh Rajput has never been confirmed by either of them. The media articles written about them are all speculative in nature. Please remove the relationship section form the article. In fact, she is one of the prime suspects in Sushant Singh Rajput's murder. [[Special:Contributions/2409:4043:2D0A:BC18:68FB:78EA:D28E:F171|2409:4043:2D0A:BC18:68FB:78EA:D28E:F171]] ([[User talk:2409:4043:2D0A:BC18:68FB:78EA:D28E:F171|talk]]) 05:59, 16 July 2020 (UTC) |
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:[[File:Red information icon with gradient background.svg|20px|link=|alt=]] '''Not done:'''<!-- Template:ESp --> There is no mention of Rajput or any relationship in this article. [[User:Schazjmd|<span style="color:#9966FF;">Schazjmd</span>]] [[User talk:Schazjmd|<span style="color:#5500FF;">''(talk)''</span>]] 12:43, 16 July 2020 (UTC) |
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Please add [https://www.bollywoodbubble.com/bollywood-news/rhea-chakraborty-tops-times-50-most-desirable-2020-list/ Rhea Chakraborty tops the list of Times 50 Most Desirable Women of 2020] |
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She confirmed her relationship with sushant...she told that she was his girlfriend and she also have some kind of bond with mahesh bhatt. [[User:Bunny0254|Bunny0254]] ([[User talk:Bunny0254|talk]]) 03:50, 19 August 2020 (UTC) |
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== Extended-confirmed-protected edit request on 3 October 2021 == |
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Change the name of Rhea's character in movie Chehre from "Aana" to "Anna". [[Special:Contributions/182.68.71.189|182.68.71.189]] ([[User talk:182.68.71.189|talk]]) 14:34, 3 October 2021 (UTC) |
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:[[File:Red question icon with gradient background.svg|20px|link=|alt=]] '''Not done:''' it's not clear what changes you want to be made. Please mention the specific changes in a "change X to Y" format and provide a [[Wikipedia:Reliable sources|reliable source]] if appropriate.<!-- Template:ESp --> [[User:Schazjmd|<span style="color:#9966FF;">Schazjmd</span>]] [[User talk:Schazjmd|<span style="color:#5500FF;">''(talk)''</span>]] 21:16, 21 July 2020 (UTC) |
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:{{done}}<!-- Template:EEp --> Thanks for pointing that out! [[User:Eevee01|<b style="color:DarkTurquoise; font-weight: bold; font-family:cambria">Eevee01</b>]]<sup>([[User talk:Eevee01|<b style="color:#40E0D0; font-style: italic">talk</b>]])</sup> 15:02, 3 October 2021 (UTC) |
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== Semi-protected edit request on 21 September 2024 == |
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== Personal Life & Controversies == |
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Rhea has been linked to Aditya Chopra in her early career whilst signed to Yash Raj Films, also to Film Producer and her mentor Mahesh Bhatt<ref>https://www.indiatoday.in/movies/celebrities/story/rhea-chakraborty-blasts-trolls-who-said-mahesh-bhatt-is-anup-jalota-1348494-2018-09-25</ref>, for whom she acted in the movie 'Jalebi'. In 2019 she was spotted with Sushant Singh Rajput, and was possibly dating / in a live-in relationship with him. It later transpired she left him 4 days before his mysterious death on 14th June 2020. Many members of the public vented their anger towards her in social media, as she deleted all images of him from her Instagram account, didn't acknowledge his death for a month, and was found to be using his bank cards and accounts for the past year.<ref>https://www.spotboye.com/bollywood/news/sushant-singh-rajput-demise-fans-troll-rhea-chakraborty-as-news-reports-claim-actress-shopped-using-ssr-s-debit-credit-cards-knew-his-pin-and-passwords/5f13e4ca1cc6671462b8ad22</ref>. She confirmed the relationship in a Tweet to the Home Minister of India<ref>https://www.indiatoday.in/movies/celebrities/story/rhea-chakraborty-asks-amit-shah-for-cbi-inquiry-into-sushant-singh-rajput-s-death-1701221-2020-07-16</ref>, and subsequently reported threats to her in an FIR to the Mumbai Police. |
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:That she posted a photo with Mahesh Bhatt is not encyclopedic. Speculations about Rajput and fan outrage don't belong in the article either. This is an encyclopedia, not a tabloid; we don't document each person someone dates or is seen with or might be involved with. [[User:Schazjmd|<span style="color:#9966FF;">Schazjmd</span>]] [[User talk:Schazjmd|<span style="color:#5500FF;">''(talk)''</span>]] 21:21, 21 July 2020 (UTC) |
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== Semi-protected edit request on 26 July 2020 == |
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she is not Ishani and Krrish. [[Special:Contributions/2405:201:5007:9887:C5CC:F89:B8F9:559|2405:201:5007:9887:C5CC:F89:B8F9:559]] ([[User talk:2405:201:5007:9887:C5CC:F89:B8F9:559|talk]]) 11:12, 21 September 2024 (UTC) |
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A Wikipedia article clearly states Rhea Chakraborty identified herself as Sushant Singh Rajput's girlfried. This directly contradicts this article. Either remove references to Rhea Chakraborty on the following Wiki article: |
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:[[File:Red question icon with gradient background.svg|20px|link=|alt=]] '''Not done:''' it's not clear what changes you want to be made. Please mention the specific changes in a [[WP:EDITXY|"change X to Y" format]] and provide a [[Wikipedia:Reliable sources|reliable source]] if appropriate.<!-- Template:ESp --> [[User:Charliehdb|Charliehdb]] ([[User talk:Charliehdb|talk]]) 13:20, 21 September 2024 (UTC) |
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https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sushant_Singh_Rajput or add this information in this article. [[User:Sramena1|Sramena1]] ([[User talk:Sramena1|talk]]) 14:33, 26 July 2020 (UTC) |
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:{{not done}}. There is no contradiction because this article has no Personal Life section. To add one that consists solely of "She identified herself as Sushant Singh Rajput's girlfriend" would violate [[WP:UNDUE]]. [[User:NedFausa|NedFausa]] ([[User talk:NedFausa|talk]]) 14:43, 26 July 2020 (UTC) |
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Add a "Personal Life" section to this article. It is useful to know about the personal life of this celebrity as other celebrities. It would be discrimination against Rhea that only her professional side is being talked about in Wikipedia. Wikipedia readers have a right to know the personal life that is already published by verified sources. <!-- Template:Unsigned --><small class="autosigned">— Preceding [[Wikipedia:Signatures|unsigned]] comment added by [[User:Sramena1|Sramena1]] ([[User talk:Sramena1#top|talk]] • [[Special:Contributions/Sramena1|contribs]]) 13:23, 28 July 2020 (UTC)</small> <!--Autosigned by SineBot--> |
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== Semi-protected edit request on 28 July 2020 == |
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{{edit semi-protected|Rhea Chakraborty|answered=y}} |
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Add a new section, "Controversies" |
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Add, "Rhea Chakraborty was booked in an FIR by Bihar police for abatement of suicide in the case related to death of Sushant Singh Rajput (Ref: https://www.indiatoday.in/movies/celebrities/story/sushant-singh-rajput-s-father-registers-fir-against-rhea-chakraborty-in-patna-1705350-2020-07-28) [[User:Sramena1|Sramena1]] ([[User talk:Sramena1|talk]]) 13:19, 28 July 2020 (UTC) |
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:[[File:Pictogram voting wait.svg|20px|link=|alt=]] '''Already done'''<!-- Template:ESp --> [[User:P,TO 19104|P,TO 19104]] <small> ([[User talk: P,TO 19104|talk]]) ([[Special:Contributions/P,TO 19104|contribs]]) </small> 20:59, 28 July 2020 (UTC) |
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== Semi-protected edit request on 29 July 2020 == |
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It's a very urgent and serious but a humble request to delete certain personal information from the article pag of Indian Actress/ Model Rhea Chakrovarty. That being, the section of "Early life and Education". As to why this review quest is being made is because the above mentioned section of the article of the actress's profile claims about her early childhood upbringing happen under the guidance of her father's occupation during his tenure as a Defense Officer. |
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I aggressively and with all honestly request to edit this information as under the light of current circumstances it beckons one to take responsibility after realizing the intensity and degree of the repercussions of the notorious and disgraceful acts done by the actress and her family towards an aspiring bright Actor. |
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I demand such serious amendments to the article keeping in mind the prestige and dignity of the Information giving site and because of the same reason push hard for such amendments. Because, after hours of research and data filtering and all sorts of information collection exercise, I have confidently come to the conclusion that no such source exists wherein her father's occupation has been revealed, hinted towards or has been ratified. The only source is the "footnote 5", which can completely be botched up as the industry of entertainment and movie making is infamous for fabricating the personal lives of stars. Which the "footnote 5" is all about, an interview Which vaguely asks the actress Rhea Chakrovarty about her childhood and the influence of her father's occupation to which she responds with similar vagueness and ambiguity. Since e certain informations are available universally, hence people can talk ambiguous about certain things and may find it suitable to their cause of fraudulent intentions. |
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Please, it's a deep and sincere humble request to do as gratefully asked above. To let no stone unturned here is a brief extract from the article's section and a reminder to what exactly is the problem. Thank You. |
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" Her father was an ******* Officer. She did her schooling from Ambala *****School." |
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It's concerning the occupation of the father which has no substance Or source valid enough to support it. And threatens, if not maligns, the respect of such a honorable and selfless organization.As the common citizenry if of a trivial nature and can get influenced or swayed easily by such unauthenticed and baseless informations. |
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May the information bring only good to people and help them not be used to an extent which is unacceptable and both harmful and derogatory. [[User:Ayyushmaan Suyash Roy|Ayyushmaan Suyash Roy]] ([[User talk:Ayyushmaan Suyash Roy|talk]]) 11:54, 29 July 2020 (UTC) |
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: {{partly done}}. I'm not removing the Army Officer bit, as that part is cited and I don't have a reason to believe it's fake. I did remove the Ambala School because it's unsourced here and listed by sketchy "news sites" that are worded the exact same way, which seems to suggest [[WP:CIRCULAR]] as it was added in 2015 ([https://en.wikipedia.org/enwiki/w/index.php?title=Rhea_Chakraborty&diff=prev&oldid=668338030 diff]). [[User:Ganbaruby|<font color="#d103ac">◢</font> <b><i style="background-color:#d103ac; color:#fff"> Ganbaruby! </i></b>]] <small>([[User talk:Ganbaruby|Say hi!]])</small> 13:01, 29 July 2020 (UTC) |
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::Sorry {{u|Ganbaruby}}, but I have added it back as per an article published by the [[Gulf News]] last year. [[User:GSS|<span style="font-family:monospace;font-weight:bold;font-size:16px;color:hsl(205, 98%, 55%);">GSS</span>]] [[User talk:GSS|<sup>💬</sup>]] 13:06, 29 July 2020 (UTC) |
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:::{{ping|GSS}} No worries, I must've missed that one. Thanks. [[User:Ganbaruby|<font color="#d103ac">◢</font> <b><i style="background-color:#d103ac; color:#fff"> Ganbaruby! </i></b>]] <small>([[User talk:Ganbaruby|Say hi!]])</small> 13:09, 29 July 2020 (UTC) |
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:::: The Gulf News article published on 31 October 2019. The information about the School was available in the article much before that without any citation. Gulf News probably took the information from Wikipedia, not the other way around. - [[User:The9Man|<span style="color: green">'''''The9Man'''''</span>]] <sup><span style="color: green">([[User talk:The9Man|<span style="color: green">Talk</span>]])</span></sup> 11:21, 7 August 2020 (UTC) |
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== Semi-protected edit request on 7 August 2020 == |
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I would like suggest edit in following line for section "Career": |
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Change "In 2014 she played the loose character of Sonali in ''[[Sonali Cable]]'' to ""In 2014 she played the character of Sonali in ''[[Sonali Cable]]'' |
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The word "loose" denotes Derogatory discription of a woman who has had many sexual partners and hence should be removed. |
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[[Special:Contributions/112.196.144.77|112.196.144.77]] ([[User talk:112.196.144.77|talk]]) 09:32, 7 August 2020 (UTC) |
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:[[File:Yes check.svg|20px|link=|alt=]] '''Done'''<!-- Template:EP -->. Agreed with your point. - [[User:The9Man|<span style="color: green">'''''The9Man'''''</span>]] <sup><span style="color: green">([[User talk:The9Man|<span style="color: green">Talk</span>]])</span></sup> 11:11, 7 August 2020 (UTC) |
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== Semi-protected edit request on 28 August 2020 == |
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She was born on July 1, 1992 in Bengaluru, Karnataka, India. Is this a reliable [https://timesofindia.indiatimes.com/topic/Rhea-Chakraborty source]?! [[Special:Contributions/184.22.161.107|184.22.161.107]] ([[User talk:184.22.161.107|talk]]) 07:16, 28 August 2020 (UTC) [[Special:Contributions/184.22.161.107|184.22.161.107]] ([[User talk:184.22.161.107|talk]]) 07:16, 28 August 2020 (UTC) |
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:{{done}}. There are more [[WP:RS]] available as well. - [[User:The9Man|<span style="color: green">'''''The9Man'''''</span>]] <sup><span style="color: green">([[User talk:The9Man|<span style="color: green">Talk</span>]])</span></sup> 09:44, 28 August 2020 (UTC) |
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== Indicted? == |
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On 28 August 2020, [https://en.wikipedia.org/enwiki/w/index.php?title=Rhea_Chakraborty&type=revision&diff=975464511&oldid=975451153 I added] to the [[Rhea_Chakraborty#Media_coverage|Media coverage subsection]] an admonition by the [[Press Council of India]]: {{tq|The PCI advised media to not carry out a "parallel trial" by narrating the story to induce public belief in the guilt of one whom the PCI called "the person indicted."}} My cited source is the [[Press Trust of India]], the country's largest news agency. I believe it's an important development in how Indian media have treated Chakraborty, and should be included in our BLP. However, I have a problem with ''person indicted'', which plainly alludes to Rhea. |
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Wikipedia defines [[indictment]] as a criminal accusation that a person has committed a crime. In July, Rajput's family lodged a [[first information report]] (FIR) against Rhea and others alleging violations of the [[Indian Penal Code]]. In India, the police prepare an FIR when they receive information about the commission of a [[cognisable offence]], which is one where police have the authority to start an investigation without the permission of a court. |
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Yet Wikipedia [[indictment|further explains]] that {{tq|the complaint is considered merely an accusation...the trial starts only with the "Framing of Charges" similar to the concept of indictment.}} A [[chargesheet]], says Wikipedia, is prepared after the FIR and {{tq|charges an individual for (some or all of) the crimes specified... Once the charge sheet has been submitted to a court of law, the court decides as to who among the accused has sufficient prima facie evidence against him to be put on trial.}} |
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So far as I can determine, there has been no formal Framing of Charges against Rhea Chakraborty. If true, is it accurate to say that she is indicted? [[User:NedFausa|NedFausa]] ([[User talk:NedFausa|talk]]) 19:08, 28 August 2020 (UTC) |
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== Semi-protected edit request on 1 September 2020 == |
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“Sushant Singh Rajput was murdered in his home in Bandra, Mumbai ! There are currently 130 million people protesting , it is trending number 1 in India  worldwide via Twitter and Instagram with hashtags #justiceforsushantsinghrajput & #iamsushant “ source :Republic TV India , journalists:iujjawal trivedi, arnab goswami (republic tv) . Please include justified current situation regarding this topic! After 2 months of constant profs Sushant was murdered clues, there is active CBI (central bureau of investigation inquiry) occurring as of August 30 ,2020 ! Rhea Chakraborty is a suspect of sushant murder! Sushant’s whole family believe and have video statements, they believe Rhea Chakraborty is a conspirator in this case! Please remove and do not shame people fight to this ongoing fight!!! [[Special:Contributions/2604:2000:1240:86CB:F0BB:1C85:3955:D83C|2604:2000:1240:86CB:F0BB:1C85:3955:D83C]] ([[User talk:2604:2000:1240:86CB:F0BB:1C85:3955:D83C|talk]]) 01:03, 1 September 2020 (UTC) |
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:{{not done}}. Rhea Chakraborty page already covers the [[Rhea_Chakraborty#Death_of_Sushant_Singh_Rajput|Death of Sushant Singh Rajput]]. It does not include murder because the actress has not been charged by law enforcement authorities with said crime. If that should happen, I assure you we will update her page accordingly. Until then, Wikipedia will not spread a conspiracy theory, no matter how many millions of Indians espouse it. [[User:NedFausa|NedFausa]] ([[User talk:NedFausa|talk]]) 01:13, 1 September 2020 (UTC) |
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== Edit warring and BLP violation by [[User:ÆCE]] == |
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{{u|ÆCE}} is [https://en.wikipedia.org/enwiki/w/index.php?title=Rhea_Chakraborty&type=revision&diff=976708483&oldid=976706237 edit warring] to restore disputed content. Specifically, he falsely claims "Rhea being the prime suspect in the case" when the [https://www.republicworld.com/india-news/law-and-order/sushant-death-probe-cbi-issues-first-statement-puts-an-end-to-suici.html cited source] says no such thing. This is a serious BLP violation. When users click the Edit source tab at [[Rhea Chakraborty]], we see – |
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{{tq|Notice about sources: This article must adhere to the biographies of living persons policy, even if it is not a biography, because it contains material about living persons. Take extra care to use high-quality sources. … Contentious material about living persons that is unsourced or poorly sourced must be '''removed immediately''' from the article and its talk page, especially if potentially libellous.}} (Emphasis added.) |
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[[User:NedFausa|NedFausa]] ([[User talk:NedFausa|talk]]) 15:30, 4 September 2020 (UTC) |
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:With due respect, I used the cite [16] to for the info BEFORE the "prime suspect" instance and was in the process of adding another source[17] currently present on the article, which confirms that she is a prime suspect. But, instead of discussing this with me first, if I've done my editing or not, you just decided to go for a revert, calling it a serious violation of WP:BLP. [[User:ÆCE|<span style="color:red;font-size:30px;line-height:0.28em;">♠</span><span style="font-size:12px;color:#000000;"> <b>ÆCE</b></span>]] | <span style="font-variant:small-caps;">[[User talk:ÆCE|Talk]] | </span> 15:39, 4 September 2020 (UTC) |
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:Also,If you would have discussed the issue with me before hurrying into slamming the WP:BLP and Edit Warring templates, irresponsibly on my talk page and on Rhea Chakrabory's talk page, you would have known that I was IN THE PROCESS of adding ANOTHER citation. I reverted it ONCE (and not repeatedly hence it won't count as edit Warring) in order to improve the article with proper citations from reputable sources. [[User:ÆCE|<span style="color:red;font-size:30px;line-height:0.28em;">♠</span><span style="font-size:12px;color:#000000;"> <b>ÆCE</b></span>]] | <span style="font-variant:small-caps;">[[User talk:ÆCE|Talk]] | </span> 15:54, 4 September 2020 (UTC) |
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::ÆCE, how can you call someone a "prime suspect" without identifying what crime they are suspected of? Doesn't that strike you as important? If the police/medical examiners have thus far said that Rajput died by suicide, how can anyone other than Rajput be a suspect in a suicide? The police have not accused her of a crime, have they? What crime are you alleging that she is a suspect of? [[User:Cyphoidbomb|Cyphoidbomb]] ([[User talk:Cyphoidbomb|talk]]) 16:04, 4 September 2020 (UTC) |
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:::Since, wikipedia is not my personal blog site, I only wrote what a reliable source has mentioned.I also, fail to understand why do you refuse to look at new revelations and continually want to stick with an outdated information. How can you call someone a "prime suspect"? ask HindustanTimes, ask CBI,who is constantly interrogating Rhea chakraborty for hours since last few days! Ask ED why they are so interested in rhea chakraborty and since you're at it, also ask why NCB is interested in Rhea Chakraborty so much that they recently raided her home? I humbly suggest you to read a bit more on drug use and crime. [[User:ÆCE|<span style="color:red;font-size:30px;line-height:0.28em;">♠</span><span style="font-size:12px;color:#000000;"> <b>ÆCE</b></span>]] | <span style="font-variant:small-caps;">[[User talk:ÆCE|Talk]] | </span> 16:18, 4 September 2020 (UTC) |
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::::The only topic of discussion here is your sloppy implication that Chakraborty is a suspect in a crime that you failed to identify. This is potentially defamatory content that you didn't bother to treat with the seriousness that it warrants, and you submitted it multiple times, even though it was disputed, and even though you were told that it violates our BLP policy. That's what we're discussing here. Do you not see that it is a problem to say "her boyfriend Shushant was found dead at his residence in Bandra ... with Rhea being the prime suspect in the case"? Do you truly not see the problem here? Do you not see what you are potentially implying that could be gravely defamatory? You can't call someone a suspect in a crime when you don't identify the crime. It's also just sloppy writing. You know about the [[Five Ws]], don't you? And even if I put back the "The cause of death is still being investigated by CBI with Rhea being the prime suspect in the case" this doesn't sound odd to you? The CBI (according to you) doesn't know how he died, but Rhea is a suspect? What? That's ridiculous. Believe it or not, we actually have to employ some common sense when writing articles, and if a bad journalist says something ignorant or poorly-conceived, we can opt ''not'' to publish that. That is an option, you know. [[User:Cyphoidbomb|Cyphoidbomb]] ([[User talk:Cyphoidbomb|talk]]) 16:53, 4 September 2020 (UTC) |
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The only topic of discussion here is your sloppy implication that Chakraborty is a suspect in a crime that you failed to identify. |
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This is where it was verified from:[https://www.hindustantimes.com/india-news/sushant-singh-rajput-death-case-here-are-the-14-people-facing-probe/story-b2mC7eSBKDsC2tZYKk19KI.html] a reputed source which is also used to cite other info on the very same page as well. |
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This is potentially defamatory content that you didn't bother to treat with the seriousness that it warrants, |
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Declaring someone has committed a suicide while the investigation is still on going is also defamatory and disrespectful to the deceased and his family. |
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It's also just sloppy writing. |
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You also mentioned "poor grammar" in your revert. Is it fair to revert the entire edit for a grammatical error which btw I was going to fix but interrupted by all of this. Couldn't you just fix the grammatical errors or at least marked it for clean up like other articles instead of reverting the whole thing? |
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The CBI (according to you) doesn't know how he died, but Rhea is a suspect? What? That's ridiculous. |
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In order to find the culprit(s), investigative agencies like CBI look for the possible suspects with potential motives by gathering enough evidence to support that a person or a group of persons can be considered as suspects which are then further inquired to gather more evidences and leads. Later, they start to short list these suspects as they gain more information and finally find out the culprit(s) FROM those suspects. |
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A quick summary on how it works. |
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Believe it or not, we actually have to employ some common sense when writing articles |
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Speaking of common sense, I've asked this question: |
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If these highly reputed bodies like AIIMS and CBI both premier in their respective fields, have still not figured out the cause, how come wikipedia or these media sources came to any conclusion? |
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on [[Talk:Death of Sushant Singh Rajput]] page but sadly no-one seems to have an answer. Can you answer this? |
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if a bad journalist says something ignorant or poorly-conceived, we can opt not to publish that. That is an option, you know |
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First off, who decides if a journalist is bad or not? You? Me? Secondly, If you are wiling to accept one journalist as "good" and at the same time calling another "bad", on your own terms, then you're not being objective here. Either, you accept media sources and document both the sides fairly and equally without making it appear as if the article has already declared something to be a fact while it is still being investigated by teams of expert OR you just disregard them all together but you can not choose one over another according to what fits your believes as it will only make the article biased, which is not something wikipedia aims for. |
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Moreover, the reports that were previously used as a "Proof", is now being scrutinized . Here you go :[https://www.india.com/entertainment/ssr-death-case-subramanian-swamy-points-out-aiims-post-mortem-report-cant-say-if-it-was-a-suicide-or-murder-4129284/]. |
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Don't you think the old information should be updated with the new findings that are emerging now? |
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Also, Why can't we call it a "death" instead of murder or suicide, at least until we hear something from the authorities themselves that are working on the case? |
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[[User:ÆCE|<span style="color:red;font-size:30px;line-height:0.28em;">♠</span><span style="font-size:12px;color:#000000;"> <b>ÆCE</b></span>]] | <span style="font-variant:small-caps;">[[User talk:ÆCE|Talk]] | </span> 19:43, 4 September 2020 (UTC) |
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:I don't have time to answer all of this. We do not include potentially defamatory content, which is what you did when you added poorly-written content that heavily implied Chakraborty killed Rajput. That is ''egregiously bad judgment''. You called her a "prime suspect", but didn't indicate what she was a prime suspect of. That ambiguity is ''very'' problematic. Police have not charged her with any crime as far as I know. They are investigating complaints raised by the family. A journalist calling her a "prime suspect" without indicating what she was a prime suspect of, is bad journalism. Repeating that without providing sufficient context, is no better. While Wikipedia relies on what reputable secondary sources say, when they say things that are downright stupid or irresponsible, we are not obligated to include that. As for the rest of your response, feel free to read the entire [[Talk:Sushant Singh Rajput]] page, where some of your other questions have been asked and answered multiple times. [[User:Cyphoidbomb|Cyphoidbomb]] ([[User talk:Cyphoidbomb|talk]]) 20:34, 4 September 2020 (UTC) |
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::Hi, I hope you're doing well in such a time! |
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You called her a "prime suspect", but didn't indicate what she was a prime suspect of. That ambiguity is ''very'' problematic. Police have not charged her with any crime as far as I know. |
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Pleas watch the entire video, coming from the same source that is currently being used for the citation in the article: [https://www.indiatoday.in/movies/video/sushant-singh-rajput-case-case-evidence-with-cbi-1713620-2020-08-21?utm_source=rhs&utm_medium=It&utm_campaign=watchrightnow&t_source=rhs&t_medium=It&t_campaign=watchrightnow] |
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I hope this make things a bit clearer. Thank you! [[User:ÆCE|<span style="color:red;font-size:30px;line-height:0.28em;">♠</span><span style="font-size:12px;color:#000000;"> <b>ÆCE</b></span>]] | <span style="font-variant:small-caps;">[[User talk:ÆCE|Talk]] | </span> 08:56, 5 September 2020 (UTC) |
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:{{u|ÆCE}} Well, prime suspect? Are we watching Republic TV here? A living person accused of a crime is presumed not guilty unless and until the contrary is decided by a court of law. We must give serious consideration to not creating the content on an alleged perpetrator when no conviction is yet secured. - [[User:The9Man|<span style="color: green">'''''The9Man'''''</span>]] <sup><span style="color: green">([[User talk:The9Man|<span style="color: green">Talk</span>]])</span></sup> 14:46, 5 September 2020 (UTC) |
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: Hello, {{u|The9Man}}. Thank you for your participation. Her being a "prime suspect" is coming from the exact same source[https://www.indiatoday.in/movies/video/sushant-singh-rajput-case-case-evidence-with-cbi-1713620-2020-08-21?utm_source=rhs&utm_medium=It&utm_campaign=watchrightnow&t_source=rhs&t_medium=It&t_campaign=watchrightnow] which is being used for citing "suicide by hanging" also on Shushant's page and not just Republic TV. I didn't mention Republic TV in any of the conversation regarding this, as a primary or only source. |
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The exact same source which is used to cite "suicide by hanging" has now changed their title from '''"Sushant Singh Rajput dies by suicide at 34 in Mumbai"''' to '''"Sushant Singh Rajput, 34, was found dead in his Bandra apartment in Mumbai on June 14."''' |
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My point is, if there's so much dispute regarding the cause being "suicide" or "murder" and the very sources that were cited for "suicide by hanging" has now changed their title to "found dead" instead, Why can't we do just the same by writing "found dead" instead of "committed suicide"? Don't you think that it would be more appropriate and neutral at this time until we hear from the experts working on the case which both sides are willing to accept? Instead of being a part of this mess, why can't wikipedia mention "found dead" instead of "committed suicide" and keep itself out of the controversy? [[User:ÆCE|<span style="color:red;font-size:30px;line-height:0.28em;">♠</span><span style="font-size:12px;color:#000000;"> <b>ÆCE</b></span>]] | <span style="font-variant:small-caps;">[[User talk:ÆCE|Talk]] | </span> 21:39, 5 September 2020 (UTC) |
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:Because "found dead" ''does not exclude suicide as a manner of death''. "Found dead" merely means he was found dead - no more and no less. It's entirely possible to find someone dead no matter their manner of death. The initial investigation, which you have [[WP:IDHT|repeatedly tried to ignore and downplay]], concluded foul play was not part of the cards for that hand. Finally, remember that at the point that video was shot, SSR's parents were (and still are) accusing Rhea of [[Abetting|abetment of suicide]], hence the "prime accused" that the video says. Abetment of suicide is not the same as actual [[homicide]]. —[[User:Jéské Couriano|<i style="color: #1E90FF;">A little blue Bori</i>]] [[User talk:Jéské Couriano|<span style="color: #228B22">v^_^v</span>]] <sup><small>[[Special:Contributions/Jéské Couriano|Hasteur Hasteur Ha-- oh....]]</small></sup> 01:06, 6 September 2020 (UTC) |
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::And, ÆCE, no officials involved in the case have said it was a murder, so from what I can tell, the only people who "dispute" the death determination of suicide are people with no first-hand knowledge of the case: fans, other actors, politicians, conspiracy theorists. That's not a dispute. If experts from the CBI case made a determination different to what the Mumbai medical examiners found, that would be a dispute. By the way, are you still confused about the BLP violation? I never saw an acknowledgment about that and you conveniently changed the subject. [[User:Cyphoidbomb|Cyphoidbomb]] ([[User talk:Cyphoidbomb|talk]]) 01:15, 6 September 2020 (UTC) |
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:::The family also disputed the initial autopsy findings of suicide, IIRC. Still, it's highly unlikely they had any first-hand knowledge of what happened in that room on that day, so your point still stands. —[[User:Jéské Couriano|<i style="color: #1E90FF;">A little blue Bori</i>]] [[User talk:Jéské Couriano|<span style="color: #228B22">v^_^v</span>]] <sup><small>[[Special:Contributions/Jéské Couriano|Hasteur Hasteur Ha-- oh....]]</small></sup> 01:26, 6 September 2020 (UTC) |
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Because "found dead" ''does not exclude suicide as a manner of death''. "Found dead" merely means he was found dead - no more and no less. It's entirely possible to find someone dead no matter their manner of death. |
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Good, that's what I want. For the article to be fair and neutral, it should not exclude either manner of death, as of now. |
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The initial investigation, which you have [[WP:IDHT|repeatedly tried to ignore and downplay]], concluded foul play was not part of the cards for that hand. |
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First of all, I'd like to suggest you '''again''' to not use these game play terminology while discussing a serious matter. If you see it as a game, I'd like to have someone else to talk with, who's willing to take it seriously and not as a game. |
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Now, I never denied what '''initial investigation''' has said. I denied to '''stick with the initial investigation''' even when the entire investigation has come '''far''' from the '''initial investigation''' you are denying to let go of even when ('''again!''') the source used for citing "committed suicide" is now calling "found dead". |
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"Was not part of the cards for that hand" : Well, '''now it is!''' which what I have been trying to tell you. |
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For how long are you willing to stick with what '''was''' there, denying any new findings which ''''is now and here'''? |
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If you take this a bit more seriously than a game of cards, you'd figure out that they changed it to "found dead" for a REASON. |
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And, ÆCE, no officials involved in the case have said it was a murder, so from what I can tell, the only people who "dispute" the death determination of suicide are people with no first-hand knowledge of the case: fans, other actors, politicians, conspiracy theorists. That's not a dispute. If experts from the CBI case made a determination different to what the Mumbai medical examiners found, that would be a dispute. |
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Sorry but I have to ask, Do you even know who [[Subramanian Swamy]] is? He knows way more of insights than you, I or any media channels, being a highly positioned member of the central government that happens to '''supervise''' CBI including all other investigating agencies working on the case. |
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Are you denying the credibility of Subramanian Swamy?! wow! |
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By the way, are you still confused about the BLP violation? I never saw an acknowledgment about that and you conveniently changed the subject. |
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No, but what I am confused about is which part of it '''you''' think my I'm violating? |
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[[User:ÆCE|<span style="color:red;font-size:30px;line-height:0.28em;">♠</span><span style="font-size:12px;color:#000000;"> <b>ÆCE</b></span>]] | <span style="font-variant:small-caps;">[[User talk:ÆCE|Talk]] | </span> 03:12, 6 September 2020 (UTC) |
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:"Found dead" [[WP:SYNTHESIS|does not have any of the meaning you are ascribing to it]], and we are emphatically not going to entertain your [[WP:BLP|pet theory that you're trying to innuendo in]]. And, again, no source is walking back the suicide claim. In fact, given their reporting on Rhea, one could see it as ''doubling down'' on the suicide claim. [[WP:IDHT|I note that you're ''dodging'' the counterarguments in re the family accusing her of abetment of suicide.]] Cyphoid's comments about the officials not calling it a murder is, based on [[WP:Verifiability|the sources available]], accurate, as is his characterisation of those who're disputing it. —[[User:Jéské Couriano|<i style="color: #1E90FF;">A little blue Bori</i>]] [[User talk:Jéské Couriano|<span style="color: #228B22">v^_^v</span>]] <sup><small>[[Special:Contributions/Jéské Couriano|Hasteur Hasteur Ha-- oh....]]</small></sup> 03:19, 6 September 2020 (UTC) |
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Where did I ascribe anything to "found dead"? Please cite me any of the sources currently being used for citations on the page, at the moment(and not from 2 or 3 months back) that's still, '''explicitly''' (as you demanded before) defending OR '''claiming''' it to be just a suicide and nothing else? |
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Again, instead of fixing on to who accused who, try to see what's actually being revealed, regardless of accusations. People accuse one another all the time but would you please try and see what's coming out of it?. In fact, it's not even a topic of discussion anymore. But, If I have to, then I'd have to add the drug angle as well. Her home was raided by NCB and eventually arrested her brother for having connections with drug peddler and is also scanning Rhea for it. You many choose to deny this as well to your hearts content but it won't change the facts that are emerging now. Please have a look on Subramanian Swamy's recent tweets. Stop living in June, when it's already September! Happy autumns! [[User:ÆCE|<span style="color:red;font-size:30px;line-height:0.28em;">♠</span><span style="font-size:12px;color:#000000;"> <b>ÆCE</b></span>]] | <span style="font-variant:small-caps;">[[User talk:ÆCE|Talk]] | </span> 04:05, 6 September 2020 (UTC) |
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:Interesting attempt at a "no, u", coming from someone who says [https://en.wikipedia.org/enwiki/w/index.php?title=Talk:Rhea_Chakraborty&diff=prev&oldid=976921317 "found dead" obviates the prior (and still unrebutted) reports of suicide], [https://en.wikipedia.org/enwiki/w/index.php?title=Talk:Death_of_Sushant_Singh_Rajput&diff=976706515&oldid=976688914 cherrypicks] and [https://en.wikipedia.org/enwiki/w/index.php?title=Talk:Death_of_Sushant_Singh_Rajput&diff=976830922&oldid=976763691 misinterprets] sources that run counter their position, noticeably dodges [https://en.wikipedia.org/enwiki/w/index.php?title=Talk:Rhea_Chakraborty&diff=prev&oldid=976960281 every] [https://en.wikipedia.org/enwiki/w/index.php?title=Talk:Death_of_Sushant_Singh_Rajput&diff=prev&oldid=976758355 argument] he can't turn into a [[straw man|strawman]], and who makes {{user|Seeyou}} seem quiet. Note that one of those diffs is you evading the sources I proffered and setting up a strawman. —[[User:Jéské Couriano|<i style="color: #1E90FF;">A little blue Bori</i>]] [[User talk:Jéské Couriano|<span style="color: #228B22">v^_^v</span>]] <sup><small>[[Special:Contributions/Jéské Couriano|Hasteur Hasteur Ha-- oh....]]</small></sup> 04:17, 6 September 2020 (UTC) |
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== Extended-confirmed-protected edit request on 7 September 2020 == |
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{{edit extended-protected|Rhea Chakraborty|answered=yes}} |
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Her brother has been caught in drugs scandal and she has also admitted to procuring illegal drugs. T [[Special:Contributions/106.193.163.180|106.193.163.180]] ([[User talk:106.193.163.180|talk]]) 02:32, 7 September 2020 (UTC) |
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:[[File:Red information icon with gradient background.svg|20px|link=|alt=]] '''Not done:''' please provide [[Wikipedia:Reliable sources|reliable sources]] that support the change you want to be made.<!-- Template:EEp --> - [[User:Hako9|hako9]] ([[User talk:Hako9|talk]]) 02:41, 7 September 2020 (UTC) |
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<s>::[[User:Hako9|hako9]], Someone tried to provide more than sufficient sources below. But well... see for yourself if you may.[[User:Sanjiv74|Sanjiv74]] ([[User talk:Sanjiv74|talk]]) 06:39, 8 September 2020 (UTC)</s> |
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== Narcotics Control Bureau Raids Rhea Chakraborty's Residence == |
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Please add this: |
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On September 4th, Narcotics Control Bureau raided Rhea chakrabroty's resident in connection with the drug trafficking probe which is linked to the case of Sushant Singh Rajput's death and arrested her brother Showik Chakraborty for drug dealing.[https://www.indiatoday.in/movies/story/ncb-raids-rhea-showik-chakraborty-mumbai-house-drug-link-sushant-singh-rajput-1718426-2020-09-04][https://twitter.com/ANI/status/1301701417153904641] |
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On September 6th, after the arrest of his brother Rhea also confessed to the Narcotics Control Bureau (NCB), that she sourced drugs for the late actor through her brother.[https://www.india.com/entertainment/rhea-chakrabortys-confession-to-ncb-procured-drugs-for-sushant-singh-rajput-through-showik-chakraborty-4133444/] |
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[[User:Acro94-00|Acro94-00]] ([[User talk:Acro94-00|talk]]) 01:40, 8 September 2020 (UTC) |
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:{{not done}}. All three sources you provide are problematic. |
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:# [https://www.indiatoday.in/movies/story/ncb-raids-rhea-showik-chakraborty-mumbai-house-drug-link-sushant-singh-rajput-1718426-2020-09-04 ''India Today''] says {{tq|A search is underway}} and is obviously a preliminary story. It does say {{tq|Showik taken away by NCB for further questioning}}, but incorporating that into his sister's BLP at this point would violate [[WP:UNDUE]] and [[WP:NOTNEWS]]. Moreover, ''India Today'' does not report, as you claim, that Showik Chakraborty was arrested for drug dealing. |
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:# We can't cite [https://twitter.com/ANI/status/1301701417153904641 that particular tweet] because it involves claims about third parties, which is prohibited by [[WP:TWITTER]]. |
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:# [https://www.india.com/entertainment/rhea-chakrabortys-confession-to-ncb-procured-drugs-for-sushant-singh-rajput-through-showik-chakraborty-4133444/ India.com] relies not on its own original journalism pursuant to an official statement but on secondhand, indirect coverage—"a report published in India Today" to which no link is provided. This makes it a dubious source that is likely to be disputed.</br> |
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::Faced with these issues, we cannot add the content you propose. [[User:NedFausa|NedFausa]] ([[User talk:NedFausa|talk]]) 02:51, 8 September 2020 (UTC) |
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:::Showik Chakraborty was arrested after NCB raided Rhea Chakraborty's residence -[https://www.timesnownews.com/india/article/sushant-singh-rajput-case-showik-chakraborty-and-samuel-miranda-arrest-by-ncb/647871#:~:text=Mumbai%2F%20New%20Delhi%3A%20Samuel%20Miranda,the%20Sushant%20Singh%20Rajput%20case.&text=%23RheaEndgame%20%7C%20Top%20sources%20in%20NCB,Showik%20Chakraborty%20have%20been%20arrested.][https://www.hindustantimes.com/bollywood/showik-chakraborty-s-arrest-is-just-the-tip-of-the-iceberg-says-sushant-singh-rajput-s-family-lawyer/story-F2WR5dRdJAr3lWrnT3wCTJ.html][https://www.deccanchronicle.com/nation/crime/050920/narcotics-control-bureau-arrests-rheas-chakrabortys-brother-showik-f.html][https://news.abplive.com/entertainment/showik-chakraborty-to-be-arrested-by-ncb-rhea-chakrabortys-brother-arrested-by-narcotics-control-bureau-1330902][https://newslagoon.com/sushant-singh-rajput-death-after-showik-chakrabortys-arrest-rhea-chakraborty-to-appear-before-ncb-on-sunday-reports/294133/] [https://www.spotboye.com/bollywood/news/sushant-singh-rajput-death-after-showik-chakraborty-s-arrest-rhea-chakraborty-to-appear-before-ncb-on-sunday-reports/5f538b767e1bb3623acf8938][https://www.thehindu.com/news/national/showik-chakraborty-dealt-in-drugs-will-confront-him-with-rhea-ncb-to-court/article32530450.ece][https://www.livemint.com/news/india/sushant-singh-case-ncb-arrests-miranda-rhea-chakraborty-s-brother-showik-11599239023568.html][https://www.nationalheraldindia.com/india/showik-miranda-likely-to-be-produced-in-mumbai-court][https://www.mumbailive.com/en/crime/rhea-chakraborty-brother-showik-chakraborty-and-samuel-miranda-get-arrested-by-narcotics-control-bureau-54996][https://www.behindwoods.com/news-shots/india-news/ncb-arrests-showik-chakraborty-after-confessing-on-drugs.html][https://www.news18.com/news/movies/sushant-singh-rajput-case-live-updates-ncb-raids-residences-of-rhea-chakraborty-and-samuel-miranda-2847993.html][https://tellusdaily.com/sushant-death-case-rhea-chakraborty-was-involved-in-buying-selling-drugs-claims-ncb-report/][[User:Acro94-00|Acro94-00]] ([[User talk:Acro94-00|talk]]) 04:15, 8 September 2020 (UTC) |
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::::This isn't an article about Showik Chakraborty. [[User:Cyphoidbomb|Cyphoidbomb]] ([[User talk:Cyphoidbomb|talk]]) 04:18, 8 September 2020 (UTC) |
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::::::Rhea's house was raided!! And showik is her brother!!! What the damn are you even saying???!!![[User:Acro94-00|Acro94-00]] ([[User talk:Acro94-00|talk]]) 04:21, 8 September 2020 (UTC) |
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::::::This article isn't about shushant's death either but both shushant and showik are mentioned in the article they are ASSOCIATED!!! Can't you see???! [[User:Acro94-00|Acro94-00]] ([[User talk:Acro94-00|talk]]) 04:23, 8 September 2020 (UTC) |
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::::::If you try and read, you will figure out that they live in a same house!!!!![[User:Acro94-00|Acro94-00]] ([[User talk:Acro94-00|talk]]) 04:24, 8 September 2020 (UTC) |
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:::::: I'm tired of you all blatantly biased!!! When someone ask to add something you ask for legitimate sources and when they are provided you call it irrelevant topic to the article. What the hell is going on here??? This is a very suspicious behavior from you all!!! makes me wonder whether or not you guys are also a part of her PR????[[User:Acro94-00|Acro94-00]] ([[User talk:Acro94-00|talk]]) 04:28, 8 September 2020 (UTC) |
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:::::::Huh? You're a brand new editor, right? How "tired" could you be if you've never participated in a discussion about this subject prior to this? Have you had any other accounts here? Oh, and you should be aware that NedFausa and I are two different editors. So if he took issue with the sources you provided, that's one issue, and if I don't particularly think it's relevant, that's a different issue. To add the two together and make it seem like one person changed the rules on you, is not exactly reasonable. [[User:Cyphoidbomb|Cyphoidbomb]] ([[User talk:Cyphoidbomb|talk]]) 04:40, 8 September 2020 (UTC) |
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:::::::: YES, I know what you all have been doing. My brother has been trying to tell you guys the same and you guys banned him. I also read everything others have been saying which is plenty to know how you have been dealing with this. This is wikipedia remember???? everything remains here!!! |
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::::::::ALso, now you're just avoiding my request to add those information taking about something that is irrelevant to the article!! |
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::::::::AND! DON'T YOU DARE TELL ME YOU FOUND LOOPHOLES IN THESE SOURCES TOO as you all have been doing!!!!![[User:Acro94-00|Acro94-00]] ([[User talk:Acro94-00|talk]]) 04:47, 8 September 2020 (UTC) |
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:::::::::Who's been banned over this? Most of the editors who have commented on this issue were one-time editors who know nothing of Wikipedia policies. They come by, leave ignorant comments, people respond and we never hear from them again. You should also be aware the [[WP:NPA|personal attacks are not tolerated]]. Your frustrated suspicion that I or NedFausa are part of Chakraborty's PR team is totally unfounded. I have over 145,000 edits to my name and [https://sigma.toolforge.org/usersearch.py?name=Cyphoidbomb&page=Rhea_Chakraborty&server=enwiki&max= ten of them] are to the Chakraborty article. So maybe scale the screaming and fist-shaking back a little, eh? [[User:Cyphoidbomb|Cyphoidbomb]] ([[User talk:Cyphoidbomb|talk]]) 04:55, 8 September 2020 (UTC) |
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:::::::::Alright I am Extremely extremely sorrry!!!! Now, can we talk about those additions to the article please? <!-- Template:Unsigned --><small class="autosigned">— Preceding [[Wikipedia:Signatures|unsigned]] comment added by [[User:Acro94-00|Acro94-00]] ([[User talk:Acro94-00#top|talk]] • [[Special:Contributions/Acro94-00|contribs]]) 04:58, 8 September 2020 (UTC)</small> <!--Autosigned by SineBot--> |
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{{ping|Acro94-00}} Since your [https://en.wikipedia.org/enwiki/w/index.php?title=Talk%3ARhea_Chakraborty&type=revision&diff=977318606&oldid=977318260 edit summary requests] "Please let me know when you think I've provided enough sources," I am glad to respond. You have provided enough sources. [[User:NedFausa|NedFausa]] ([[User talk:NedFausa|talk]]) 05:09, 8 September 2020 (UTC) |
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:Thank you! I hoping to see the update soon! :) [[User:Acro94-00|Acro94-00]] ([[User talk:Acro94-00|talk]]) 05:10, 8 September 2020 (UTC) |
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::You misunderstand. I have no intention of adding what you proposed. You first provided three sources, which I checked carefully. As I explained, the sources did not justify the additions you sought. You then deluged us with many more sources. Given my experience with your first three, I am disinclined to check those. But really, the matter goes beyond sources. |
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::* [[Wikipedia:Recentism]] cautions us against {{tq|an inflated or imbalanced focus on recent events. It is writing without an aim toward a long-term, historical view. This can result in, among others: Articles overburdened with documenting breaking news reports and controversy as it happens.}} |
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::* [[WP:BLPNAME]] advises: {{tq|The names of any immediate, former, or significant family members or any significant relationship of the subject of a BLP may be part of an article, if reliably sourced, subject to '''editorial discretion''' that such information is relevant to a reader's complete understanding of the subject.}} (Emphasis added.) In this case, it is imperative that we focus on Rhea Chakraborty. Developments concerning her brother must be strictly germane. And that requires [[Wikipedia:Consensus]]. [[User:NedFausa|NedFausa]] ([[User talk:NedFausa|talk]]) 05:18, 8 September 2020 (UTC) |
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:::My dude, her house was raided by Narcotics Control Bureau and her brother was arrested. If taking about shushant's death is relevant in the article and all of that is there in the "media coverage" is relevant, Can you not even add this atleast in media coverage ? [[User:Acro94-00|Acro94-00]] ([[User talk:Acro94-00|talk]]) 05:27, 8 September 2020 (UTC) |
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::::I am not your dude. Your manners are as atrocious as [https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Special:Contributions/Jarfow your banned brother's.] [[User:NedFausa|NedFausa]] ([[User talk:NedFausa|talk]]) 05:32, 8 September 2020 (UTC) |
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::::Alright! I deeply apologize for that from the bottom of my heart. I did not realize calling someone a friend as a friendly gesture is considered as atrocious behavior on wikipedia. Is there a policy about not calling someone a friend too like [[WP:DICK]]? Any, this page is not for discussing me. you call always come to my talk page for that. Also, spot on sherlock! you got it right![[User:Acro94-00|Acro94-00]] ([[User talk:Acro94-00|talk]]) 05:41, 8 September 2020 (UTC) |
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:::Also, how can I help to provide you guys enough inclination to have a look at the other 13 sources? because if you guys won't see it then who else will?[[User:Acro94-00|Acro94-00]] ([[User talk:Acro94-00|talk]]) 05:30, 8 September 2020 (UTC) |
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{{hat}} <!-- User:Sanjiv74 has been has been blocked indefinitely for abusing multiple accounts; see https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Sockpuppet_investigations/%C3%86CE --> |
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Excellent work guys! You guys have been doing an excellent job at keeping away all those who tried to request a change with all the valid reasons and citations but instead of addressing that, you just start finding different ways to get them banned. Anyone who is opposing you is either a violator or sockpuppet. I won't be surprised if you call me a sock puppet to, cause in your world none can stand for anyone else. [[User:Sanjiv74|Sanjiv74]] ([[User talk:Sanjiv74|talk]]) 06:36, 8 September 2020 (UTC) |
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:See [[WP:Sockpuppet investigations/ÆCE]]. The [[WP:CheckUser|checkusers]] are [[m:Privacy policy|enjoined from running checks on a whim]], so it's very likely ST47 saw the above conversation/was pointed to it and noticed something off. —[[User:Jéské Couriano|<i style="color: #1E90FF;">A little blue Bori</i>]] [[User talk:Jéské Couriano|<span style="color: #228B22">v^_^v</span>]] <sup><small>[[Special:Contributions/Jéské Couriano|Hasteur Hasteur Ha-- oh....]]</small></sup> 06:49, 8 September 2020 (UTC) |
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::Conduct issues in most cases are linked to content issues and tend to go away if the content issue is resolved. As I can see here, an IP before the last user requested a revision without providing any citations and was rightly asked to provide the same, but when another user demanded pretty much the same revision, and provided more than dozens of sources, it was told that it was not relevant to the page's subject. After reading the rest, the first question that came to my mind is, instead of focusing on the request why the entire discussion was redirected to the user's character? Calling someone "dude" in the planet where I live is not considered as atrocious manner. Another thing that I noticed is that the article contains a section named "Death of Sushant Singh Rajput" which by your own definition of relevancy, must not be there. Media coverage section provides plenty of information regarding his death which on a biography page does not warrant a dedicated section. The request made by the last user seems to be good enough to be added in the media coverage section as the events mentioned has already happened and is not entitled to change regardless of the outcome of the investigation. In my opinion, you should probably re-consider the request regardless of whether or not the account was a sockpuppet or not. In fact, I believe such actions will only attract more sockpuppets and trolls if handled the way it was handled here. Do not comment on users character, dialect or mannerism. [[User:Sanjiv74|Sanjiv74]] ([[User talk:Sanjiv74|talk]]) 08:21, 8 September 2020 (UTC) |
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:::{{yo|Sanjiv74}} Have you read [[WP:BLPCRIME]]? Do you know the difference between an arrest and a conviction? Do you understand we have a policy [[WP:NOTNEWS]]? Your implication behind {{tq|I believe such actions will only attract more sockpuppets and trolls if handled the way it was handled here}}, says alot. Unlike you, we aren't here to [[WP:RIGHTGREATWRONGS|right great wrongs]]. - [[User:Hako9|hako9]] ([[User talk:Hako9|talk]]) 09:49, 8 September 2020 (UTC) |
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::::Her brother is arrested and her residence was raided by Narcotics Control Bureau.[[User:Sanjiv74|Sanjiv74]] ([[User talk:Sanjiv74|talk]]) 10:01, 8 September 2020 (UTC) |
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:::::{{yo|Sanjiv74}} Read [[WP:NOTNEWS]], [[WP:BLPCRIME]], [[WP:LPI]]. - [[User:Hako9|hako9]] ([[User talk:Hako9|talk]]) 10:12, 8 September 2020 (UTC) |
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::::Righting great wrongs |
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WP:RIGHTGREATWRONGS |
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Wikipedia is a popular site, and its articles often appear high in search engine rankings. You might think that it is a great place to set the record straight and right great wrongs, but that's not the case. We can record the righting of great wrongs, but we can't ride the crest of the wave because we can only report that which is verifiable from reliable and secondary sources, giving appropriate weight to the balance of informed opinion: even if you're sure something is true, it must be verifiable before you can add it. So, if you want to: |
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*Expose a popular artist as a child molester; or |
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*Vindicate a convicted murderer you believe to be innocent; or |
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*Explain (what you perceive to be) the truth or reality of a current or historical political, religious, or moral issue, or |
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*Spread the word about a theory/hypothesis/belief/cure-all herb that has been unfairly neglected or suppressed by the scholarly community; |
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on Wikipedia, you'll have to wait until it's been reported in mainstream media or published in books from reputable publishing houses. Wikipedia is not a publisher of original thought or original research. Wikipedia doesn't lead; we follow. Let reliable sources make the novel connections and statements. What we do is find neutral ways of presenting them. |
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Only strengthens my point. Think more than twice before accusing someone of anything. |
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[[WP:NOTNEWS]] : Why have a "media coverage" section? |
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[[WP:LPI]] : Only explains the diff between high and low profile individuals. Also, '''This page is intended to provide additional information about concepts in the page(s) it supplements. This page is not one of Wikipedia's policies or guidelines, as it has not been thoroughly vetted by the community.''' |
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A must Read for you all :[[WP:MOSBIO]] |
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(Hint:This is not how you write a biography here.) |
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[[User:Sanjiv74|Sanjiv74]] ([[User talk:Sanjiv74|talk]]) 10:28, 8 September 2020 (UTC) |
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== Regarding her arrest == |
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Although her brother is a [[WP:LPI|low-profile individual]] and to namedrop him in this article seems afoul of [[WP:BLPCRIME]], I haven't removed her brother's name altogether from the section #Death_of_Sushant_Singh_Rajput (which should be the case in my opinion and my reading of LPI and BLPCRIME) because it was added by previous editors. Her own arrest is noteworthy in my opinion considering we have the section in the first place and she isn't LPI. The section needs a lot of improvement because it reads like an incoherent timeline presently. See [[WP:PL]]. I have no intent of further editing the article and won't mind reversion of my couple of recent edits. Just a request that editors follow [[WP:PL]] and BLPCRIME, and keep the section concise so as not to give [[WP:UNDUE|undue weight]] to routine events and media blitz. - [[User:Hako9|hako9]] ([[User talk:Hako9|talk]]) 12:16, 8 September 2020 (UTC) |
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==Requesting Deletion of 2 Sections== |
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<s>It is requested to remove sections: |
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1. '''Death of Sushant Singh Rajput''' ('''Highly inappropriate to add in someone's biography.'''Does not follow WP:MOSBIO) |
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2. '''Media coverage''' |
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from the biography page, as they prove to violate: |
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[[WP:IMPARTIAL]] |
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[[WP:CONDD]] |
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[[WP:BDP]] |
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[[WP:NOTPRESSRELEASE]] |
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[[WP:RECENTISM]] |
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[[WP:UNDUE]] |
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[[WP:BALASP]] |
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[[WP:BALANCE]] |
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[[WP:ASSERT]] |
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[[WP:WIKIVOICE]] |
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[[WP:MOSBIO]] ('''Not Followed''') |
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[[WP:ADVOCACY]] |
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[[WP:BLPREMOVE]] |
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[[WP:OWNBEHAVIOR]] |
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by both the content itself and associated editors (applicable violations mentioned above).</s> [[User:Sanjiv74|Sanjiv74]] ([[User talk:Sanjiv74|talk]]) 13:21, 8 September 2020 (UTC) |
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:Point by point: |
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:#Wikipedia is not engaging in the dispute, but describing it. Your implication here is that the topic of SSR's death is closer to the [[Wikipedia:Requests for arbitration/Regarding The Bogdanov Affair|tactics the Bogdanovs and their opponents pulled]]. This argument is nonsensical. |
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:#CONDD has no bearing on article content except as a means of describing how consensus works on Wikipedia. This argument is nonsensical. |
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:#The claims made in the Death... section appear to me to be well-sourced, so [[WP:BLP]] (of which BDP is a part) is satisfied. This argument only has any sort of logical sense if you're rejecting sources out of hand. The Media coverage section's first half seems to rely entirely on the BBC source for the claims provided, so the BBC source needs to be cited for each. |
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:#The section is not written in such a way so as to look like a press release. In fact, if this were the sort of thing I saw on a press release for a company I ran, I'd likely fire the persons responsible. This argument is even stranger considering the most damning parts of it are either direct quotes (which need attribution) or heavily sourced. |
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:#The recentism argument is especially silly considering that most of the people demanding changes to this article are more guilty of this than the articles are, generally trying to cite half-baked news stories (and even then cherrypicking those sources) or Twitter. This argument is aimed at the wrong parties. |
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:#The UNDUE argument applies more to the "She killed SSR" conspiracy theories, and in any case considering this has become a [[cause celebre]], and an [[WP:Arbitration/Requests/Case/GamerGate#Discretionary sanctions|ugly-looking one at that]], I can't see how those sections at present violate UNDUE. I do agree that these sections might need to be forked into the Death of SSR article at some point, but not at present. |
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:#Her connexion to SSR/his death is at this point a fairly major aspect, so BALASP isn't relevant here for the same reasons as UNDUE isn't. |
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:#[[Ditto mark|"]] " " "/" " " " " " " " " ", " BALANCE " " " " " " " " " ". |
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:#Whatever opinions are asserted are as quotes that should be attributed, but even without the attribution it is clear that the opinions are ''not'' in Wikipedia's voice. Everything that is a matter of facts has been cited. This argument is nonsensical. |
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:#WIKIVOICE is a rerun of most of the arguments presented in re opinions/balance, and thus fails for the same reasons those do. |
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:#Name the specific section of MOSBIO being violated. I'll be more willing to buy this argument if you explain how it's being violated, and not just that it is. Details are important, especially on an article that we now know has been targeted by a sockpuppeteer. |
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:#I do not see where either of these sections are engaging in advocacy, other than quoting people who're complaining in news sources about how this has played out. |
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:#The "unsourced" claims in the Media coverage section has been addressed above. |
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:#[[WP:OWN]] is a bad argument to make given the context here. We'd love to remove the protection, but given there appears to be a concerted effort to use Wikipedia to [[WP:UNDUE|advance murder conspiracy theories]]... |
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:This help? Your arguments are not particularly great. —[[User:Jéské Couriano|<i style="color: #1E90FF;">A little blue Bori</i>]] [[User talk:Jéské Couriano|<span style="color: #228B22">v^_^v</span>]] <sup><small>[[Special:Contributions/Jéské Couriano|Hasteur Hasteur Ha-- oh....]]</small></sup> 13:53, 8 September 2020 (UTC) |
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== Extended-confirmed-protected edit request on 8 September 2020 == |
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{{edit extended-protected|Rhea Chakraborty|answered=yes}} |
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She has been arrested for drug procuraing, peddling, consumption. |
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Pls update your page [[Special:Contributions/106.193.129.186|106.193.129.186]] ([[User talk:106.193.129.186|talk]]) 13:40, 8 September 2020 (UTC) |
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:[[File:Pictogram voting wait.svg|20px|link=|alt=]] '''Already done'''<!-- Template:EEp --> Please see [[Rhea_Chakraborty#Death_of_Sushant_Singh_Rajput]] - [[User:Hako9|hako9]] ([[User talk:Hako9|talk]]) 13:53, 8 September 2020 (UTC) |
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== stop defaming her! == |
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She is only arrested, not convicted. At least wait for the supreme court's verdict. She's already suffering a lot of abuses from public. Please remove the line for sake of humanity this is so cruel07:22, 9 September 2020 (UTC)[[User:Pyropic|Pyropic]] ([[User talk:Pyropic|talk]]) |
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:Nowhere in the article does it say she was convicted (and given the attention hako9's been giving the article [[WP:Biographies of living persons|there's no way in hell the article would say anything of the sort without ironclad sources]]). —[[User:Jéské Couriano|<i style="color: #1E90FF;">A little blue Bori</i>]] [[User talk:Jéské Couriano|<span style="color: #228B22">v^_^v</span>]] <sup><small>[[Special:Contributions/Jéské Couriano|Hasteur Hasteur Ha-- oh....]]</small></sup> 07:31, 9 September 2020 (UTC) |
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Just dont talk abt her arrest please... until court decides for sake of whatever good she did, plzzz if you have a bit of respect for her and mercy 07:40, 9 September 2020 (UTC)07:40, 9 September 2020 (UTC)~~ <!-- Template:Unsigned --><small class="autosigned">— Preceding [[Wikipedia:Signatures|unsigned]] comment added by [[User:Pyropic|Pyropic]] ([[User talk:Pyropic#top|talk]] • [[Special:Contributions/Pyropic|contribs]]) </small> <!--Autosigned by SineBot--> |
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== The Live Events Editing Should Stop == |
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The article is being edited on an event to event basis as Wikipedia is a newspaper <s>[[WP:NOTSOAPBOX]]</s>. This article is a [[WP:BLP|BLP]], not an event page like [[Death of Sushant Singh Rajput]]. <br />The [[WP:BLPCRIME]] clearly states that ''A living person accused of a crime is presumed innocent until convicted by a court of law. Accusations, investigations and arrests do not amount to a conviction.'' |
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The Personal Life section needs some serious editing to look like a Biography article instead of News updates. |
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- [[User:The9Man|<span style="color: green">'''''The9Man'''''</span>]] <sup><span style="color: green">([[User talk:The9Man|<span style="color: green">Talk</span>]])</span></sup> 07:45, 9 September 2020 (UTC) |
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:As I mentioned above to the AECE sockpuppet, I'm of the opinion that this section should likely be cut down and any portions not already in the Death... article be integrated into that, since this is indeed looking pretty crufty. What passages in particular do you think could be moved there or removed outright? —[[User:Jéské Couriano|<i style="color: #1E90FF;">A little blue Bori</i>]] [[User talk:Jéské Couriano|<span style="color: #228B22">v^_^v</span>]] <sup><small>[[Special:Contributions/Jéské Couriano|Hasteur Hasteur Ha-- oh....]]</small></sup> 08:05, 9 September 2020 (UTC) |
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::I am of the opinion to cut down the whole section of ''Death of Sushant Singh Rajput'' as it is just event updates, rather than a [[WP:BLP]] content (currently). We should wait the events to finalise or until the verdicts to come, to update it as Biography content. - [[User:The9Man|<span style="color: green">'''''The9Man'''''</span>]] <sup><span style="color: green">([[User talk:The9Man|<span style="color: green">Talk</span>]])</span></sup> 08:30, 9 September 2020 (UTC) |
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:::And the subsection immediately after? —[[User:Jéské Couriano|<i style="color: #1E90FF;">A little blue Bori</i>]] [[User talk:Jéské Couriano|<span style="color: #228B22">v^_^v</span>]] <sup><small>[[Special:Contributions/Jéské Couriano|Hasteur Hasteur Ha-- oh....]]</small></sup> 08:43, 9 September 2020 (UTC) |
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<s>yeah you are right, please delete the the defaming texts plz!</s> <!-- Template:Unsigned --><small class="autosigned">— Preceding [[Wikipedia:Signatures|unsigned]] comment added by [[User:Pyropic|Pyropic]] ([[User talk:Pyropic#top|talk]] • [[Special:Contributions/Pyropic|contribs]]) 07:49, 9 September 2020 (UTC)</small> <!--Autosigned by SineBot--> |
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<s>this is only her biography..how can it say those things? never read such n insulting bio of someone</s> <!-- Template:Unsigned --><small class="autosigned">— Preceding [[Wikipedia:Signatures|unsigned]] comment added by [[User:Pyropic|Pyropic]] ([[User talk:Pyropic#top|talk]] • [[Special:Contributions/Pyropic|contribs]]) 07:53, 9 September 2020 (UTC)</small> <!--Autosigned by SineBot--> |
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<s>who writes about news reporting of her boyfriends death in a girls bio.... it is so insulting n heartless way of writing a girl's bio graphy who is already suffering a lot abuses from people like threats of murder and even rape... and her bio graphy here is doing no justice to her... i didn't your rules and stuff but this is defenately against rule of humanity!!! please have mercy onthe poor soul...her old father is ex army man... think of what's here is suffering from if not rhea! atleast leave her bio out of this for the love of god!</s> <!-- Template:Unsigned --><small class="autosigned">— Preceding [[Wikipedia:Signatures|unsigned]] comment added by [[User:Pyropic|Pyropic]] ([[User talk:Pyropic#top|talk]] • [[Special:Contributions/Pyropic|contribs]]) 08:32, 9 September 2020 (UTC)</small> <!--Autosigned by SineBot--> |
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:Unfortunately, in this circumstance, the "rule of humanity" seems to be [[mob rule]] given the media frenzy (which is bad enough that it's ''attracting international attention''), and we've had a lot of issues with [[WP:Biographies of living persons|people attempting to push a conspiracy theory that impugns her directly]]. As much as we may not like it she is, for better or worse, a [[person of interest]] in re SSR's death. That doesn't mean we should imply she is anything ''but'' that. Hence why I'm discussing above with The9Man. At the moment much of the sections in controversy should probably be put [[WP:CFORK|into the Death.... article]]. —[[User:Jéské Couriano|<i style="color: #1E90FF;">A little blue Bori</i>]] [[User talk:Jéské Couriano|<span style="color: #228B22">v^_^v</span>]] <sup><small>[[Special:Contributions/Jéské Couriano|Hasteur Hasteur Ha-- oh....]]</small></sup> 08:48, 9 September 2020 (UTC) |
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:: Currently, these live event editing [[Wikipedia:CFORK|happening at three places]]; [[Death of Sushant Singh Rajput]], [[Sushant Singh Rajput]] and here. These kind of content shouldn't be in a [[WP:BLP]] and that is the reason a separate article created, considering the interest/importance of the topic. |
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::I support cutting the section, leave a link to the Death article, and leave it at that. - [[User:The9Man|<span style="color: green">'''''The9Man'''''</span>]] <sup><span style="color: green">([[User talk:The9Man|<span style="color: green">Talk</span>]])</span></sup> 09:01, 9 September 2020 (UTC) |
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No matter if one is neutral on this topic or not, her arrest is quite important, I feel. The charges of procurement and supply of marijuana (100 grams?), leading to a person's arrest is important (comical or kafkaesque, depending on your view). Since she isn't an [[WP:LPI|LPI]], editors have a discretion to include the info if we have consensus here. I agree, that continuous routine editing is an issue though. I mean I didn't include the mention of her remand to judicial custody, and we'll soon have sentence hearing/bail etc. But notwithstanding all that, how can we exclude the fact she was arrested and sent to custody on charges of marijuana procurement? Even if proven innocent, this arrest will leave a mark on Indian laws and Indian media. - [[User:Hako9|hako9]] ([[User talk:Hako9|talk]]) 09:23, 9 September 2020 (UTC) |
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: I am '''not''' totally denying the mention of her arrest in the article. This can be added under the ''Personal Life'' section as usual. Something like 'In Septemeber 2020, she arrested by... procuring ...' instead of [[WP:PL|the event reporting]] way. My major concern is the live editing under the section ''Death of'' which doesn't go along with [[WP:BLP]] and consider to be removed. - [[User:The9Man|<span style="color: green">'''''The9Man'''''</span>]] <sup><span style="color: green">([[User talk:The9Man|<span style="color: green">Talk</span>]])</span></sup> 09:41, 9 September 2020 (UTC) |
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::I fully agree to bringing the content in line with convention and and away from WP:PL. - [[User:Hako9|hako9]] ([[User talk:Hako9|talk]]) 10:03, 9 September 2020 (UTC) |
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Naturally I will abide by consensus, but I oppose whitewashing this BLP by reducing or removing the subsections under '''Personal life'''. The first, '''Death of Sushant Singh Rajput''' is 159 words, and '''Media coverage''' is 261 words. That is not [[WP:UNDUE]]. These events are far and away the most important public developments in Rhea Chakraborty's personal life, and her role in them has already impacted the larger society in which she lives. As {{u|Hako9}} [https://en.wikipedia.org/enwiki/w/index.php?title=Talk%3ARhea_Chakraborty&type=revision&diff=977518358&oldid=977516527 observes,] "Even if [she is] proven innocent, this arrest will leave a mark on Indian laws and Indian media." It is absurd to suggest that Wikipedia should minimize or ignore these defining moments as they happen. {{u|The9Man}}'s [https://en.wikipedia.org/enwiki/w/index.php?title=Talk%3ARhea_Chakraborty&type=revision&diff=977508741&oldid=977508472 objection] on grounds of [[WP:NOTSOAPBOX]] is especially bogus, and I request that he provide diffs showing where I <s>or any of my fellow Top 10 editors of this BLP</s> have violated that policy. [[User:NedFausa|NedFausa]] ([[User talk:NedFausa|talk]]) 16:26, 9 September 2020 (UTC) |
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:I agree. While we don't need to meticulously update every new twist and turn in the case, perhaps, I think her connection to Rajput is going to be of academic importance for a long time, and it's necessary that we provide some context about why that is, which would include some content about Rajput's death and the investigations related to that. Vigourously disagree with Pyropic, whose impassioned pleas have nothing to do with Wikipedia policy. [[User:Cyphoidbomb|Cyphoidbomb]] ([[User talk:Cyphoidbomb|talk]]) 16:45, 9 September 2020 (UTC) |
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:{{re|NedFausa}} The concern here is not whitewashing or removing any particular information, but the way it put on a [[WP:BLP]] article. Currently, it reads more like an event reporting rather than an encyclopedic biography. I can understand your concern being you the major contributor to that particular section, but even I also contributed to adding info there and I am the 2nd or 3rd major contributor to this article. {{re|Cyphoidbomb}} The information is not going to be obsolete any time soon, maybe never but the way it reported with the timelines will become irrelevant soon enough. - [[User:The9Man|<span style="color: green">'''''The9Man'''''</span>]] <sup><span style="color: green">([[User talk:The9Man|<span style="color: green">Talk</span>]])</span></sup> 18:06, 9 September 2020 (UTC) |
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:{{re|The9Man}} You forgot to provide those diffs I requested. [[User:NedFausa|NedFausa]] ([[User talk:NedFausa|talk]]) 18:23, 9 September 2020 (UTC) |
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:: {{re|NedFausa}} First of all, there are no major 10 editors to that section. It is majorly by you, a few edits by a couple of others including me, occasionally fixed things by Cyphoidbomb and Hako9. Secondly, when I mentioned [[WP:NOTSOAPBOX]], I was suggesting the ''Articles and content about living people are required to meet an especially high standard, as they may otherwise be libellous or infringe the subjects' right to privacy.'' Wikipedia considers [[WP:BLP]] separately for a reason. Being said that, I repeat my major concern is the way [[WP:PL|it is written]] rather than what is written. - [[User:The9Man|<span style="color: green">'''''The9Man'''''</span>]] <sup><span style="color: green">([[User talk:The9Man|<span style="color: green">Talk</span>]])</span></sup> 18:52, 9 September 2020 (UTC) |
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:::{{re|The9Man}} <s>I said nothing about "major 10 editors to that section." I referred to myself and my fellow Top 10 editors of this BLP, which consists of more than the herein disputed Personal Life section.</s> You have narrowed it down from [[WP:NOTSOAPBOX]] to [[WP:NOTSCANDAL]], which concerns {{tq|Scandal mongering, promoting things "heard through the grapevine" or gossiping. Articles and content about living people are required to meet an especially high standard, as they may otherwise be libellous or infringe the subjects' right to privacy. Articles must not be written purely to attack the reputation of another person.}} So I ask you again, please provide diffs showing that I <s>or any of my fellow Top 10 editors of this BLP</s> have violated that policy by scandal mongering, promoting unsourced content, gossiping, libeling, or infringing Rhea Chakraborty's right to privacy. [[User:NedFausa|NedFausa]] ([[User talk:NedFausa|talk]]) 19:05, 9 September 2020 (UTC) |
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::::{{re|NedFausa}} You are just taking away the discussion to a different area, instead of answering about the major concerns raised. The concerns are never about the whole article and only about the way the Personal Life section is written. So I just don't understand why you are taking 10 other editors along with you to prove any point. - [[User:The9Man|<span style="color: green">'''''The9Man'''''</span>]] <sup><span style="color: green">([[User talk:The9Man|<span style="color: green">Talk</span>]])</span></sup> 19:23, 9 September 2020 (UTC) |
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:::::{{re|The9Man}} Fair enough. I have struck my mentions of other editors. Now please provide diffs showing where I have violated [[WP:NOTSOAPBOX]] or [[WP:NOTSCANDAL]] in editing this BLP's Personal Life section, for which you hold me [https://en.wikipedia.org/enwiki/w/index.php?title=Talk%3ARhea_Chakraborty&type=revision&diff=977586771&oldid=977586709 "majorly" responsible.] [[User:NedFausa|NedFausa]] ([[User talk:NedFausa|talk]]) 19:36, 9 September 2020 (UTC) |
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::::::{{re|NedFausa}} I didn't intend to pinpoint you here. As I have mentioned earlier, I also edited in that section, but now I didn't see the way it is written to be suitable to a [[WP:BLP|Wikipedia biography]]. If you are offended about the [[WP:NOTSOAPBOX]] usage, I have stuck that now. Can we discuss on the actual concern now? - [[User:The9Man|<span style="color: green">'''''The9Man'''''</span>]] <sup><span style="color: green">([[User talk:The9Man|<span style="color: green">Talk</span>]])</span></sup> 19:57, 9 September 2020 (UTC) |
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{{ping|The9Man}} Can you please re-frame what your actual concern is, since a lot of the discussion above has gotten away from that point? I don't think that deleting the SSR death section, as you proposed above, is a reasonable suggestion. [[User:Cyphoidbomb|Cyphoidbomb]] ([[User talk:Cyphoidbomb|talk]]) 21:09, 9 September 2020 (UTC) |
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:{{re|Cyphoidbomb}} You just need to ignore the discussion between NedFausa and me and read the rest to understand the concern.<br> Torepeat [[WP:PL]] is the main concern me and others having here. - [[User:The9Man|<span style="color: green">'''''The9Man'''''</span>]] <sup><span style="color: green">([[User talk:The9Man|<span style="color: green">Talk</span>]])</span></sup> 03:22, 10 September 2020 (UTC) |
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::I'd prefer not to have to read the entire thing and subtract the NedFausa discussion to ultimately try to identify whatever your concern is. You should be able to articulate that issue. Proseline is an essay, and I don't think at all that Ned is obsessed with up-to-the-minute twists, so what exactly is your complaint here? Chakraborty, as far as I can tell, is a public figure and her relationship with another public figure has entwined her with an issue of national importance in India and of some global importance (hence BBC coverage). Hako seems to feel that some of the details (like the Showik Chakraborty content) should be dialed back, but your proposal was an outright deletion, which seems extreme, and I'd like to understand what policy you are basing your argument upon. And if your position has changed, then it would be good of you to re-present your objections so that a discussion can move forward. If you don't want to do that, that's OK, but it'll be difficult for you to establish any consensus here. [[User:Cyphoidbomb|Cyphoidbomb]] ([[User talk:Cyphoidbomb|talk]]) 03:41, 10 September 2020 (UTC) |
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:::{{re|Cyphoidbomb}} My major concerns here were the live event reporting on a [[WP:BLP]] which I don't see suitable. My suggestions were to put it in a better way than the timeline reporting. It was never to delete or remove the whole thing. I think I am not able to put that in the right way here to convince. Since I don't have any other interests in the article, it would be a wastage of time for me to hang on here. Close it as ''No consensus'' please. - [[User:The9Man|<span style="color: green">'''''The9Man'''''</span>]] <sup><span style="color: green">([[User talk:The9Man|<span style="color: green">Talk</span>]])</span></sup> 09:02, 10 September 2020 (UTC) |
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==Drug and SSR case== |
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Hi, I propose SSR case and Drug trafficking should be included in separate section (maybe controversy, criminal record, etc.) instead of personal life. Crimes (that too are just alleged) aren't part of her "personal life" in my opinion. -- [[User:Manasbose|<span style="color:blue;font-family:sans-serif;">''' Manasbose '''</span>]]<sup>([[User talk:Manasbose|<b style="color:blue">talk</b>]] | [[Special:Contributions/Manasbose|<b style="color:blue">contribs</b>]])</sup> 15:40, 10 September 2020 (UTC) |
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==Media coverage== |
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The media coverage isn't notable enough to have its own sub-section. Half of the sub-section just quotes POV of a BBC reporter. It should be trimmed and included in the SSR drug sub-section/section. Also words like "black magic", "witch" should be removed. -- [[User:Manasbose|<span style="color:blue;font-family:sans-serif;">''' Manasbose '''</span>]]<sup>([[User talk:Manasbose|<b style="color:blue">talk</b>]] | [[Special:Contributions/Manasbose|<b style="color:blue">contribs</b>]])</sup> 15:56, 10 September 2020 (UTC) |
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:Currently disagree. There have been ample pieces published that mention the frenzy surrounding the subject. [https://www.reuters.com/article/us-india-bollywood-actor-arrest/bollywood-actress-at-centre-of-media-frenzy-arrested-by-indias-narcotics-agency-idUSKBN25Z210 Reuters], [https://timesofindia.indiatimes.com/entertainment/hindi/bollywood/news/exclusive-media-trials-can-do-a-lot-of-damage-to-a-persons-life-says-chitrangda-singh/articleshow/78040000.cms TOI], [https://tribune.com.pk/story/2263405/sushant-singh-rajput-case-grips-india-in-a-frenzy Tribune.com.pk (or Reuters #2)], an [https://www.ndtv.com/opinion/rheas-arrest-is-mob-lynching-via-smartphone-2292407 opinion piece at NDTV]. If what you're missing is a lack of additional content, that could be remedied by adding more content. Also, could you clarify why "black magic" should be removed? In a world where media pundits are being criticised for whipping up a frenzy to persecute the subject, shouldn't examples of their possibly exaggerated behaviour be pointed out? I don't see "witch", btw. [[User:Cyphoidbomb|Cyphoidbomb]] ([[User talk:Cyphoidbomb|talk]]) 18:55, 10 September 2020 (UTC) |
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==Media coverage section== |
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Subjected to gossip, innuendo, and misogynistic abuse, she was described by conservative television hosts as a "manipulative" woman who "performed black magic" and "drove Sushant to suicide." Citation other than BBC is needed otherwise only representing the BBC's opinion. |
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"Subjected to gossip, innuendo, and misogynistic abuse," and "by conservative television hosts"-- clearly seems like opinions. |
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"News channels named as having conducted such media trials included Times Now, Republic TV, Zee News, NDTV, News 18, and India Today." -- The Bombay High Court never mentioned any news channel's name. [https://images.assettype.com/barandbench/2020-09/096ecf69-a57f-4b7d-bd82-d9cc37b6dbe7/Nilesh_Navlakha___Anr__v__MIB_and_ors___September_3_order.pdf] --[[User:JerryM28|JerryM28]] ([[User talk:JerryM28|talk]]) 03:35, 11 September 2020 (UTC) |
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:[https://www.barandbench.com/news/litigation/sushant-singh-rajput-plea-in-bombay-hc-against-media-trials The cited source] reports, verbatim: {{tq|The news channels impleaded in the petition include Times Now, Republic TV, Zee News, NDTV, News 18, and India Today.}} Nowhere does Wikipedia claim that the Bombay High Court named any news channel. The petitioners, not the court, named the news channels. [[User:NedFausa|NedFausa]] ([[User talk:NedFausa|talk]]) 03:51, 11 September 2020 (UTC) |
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Put them like quotes from BBC then and same for the named news channels by petitioners. |
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And there's also this: "(Subjected to gossip, innuendo, and misogynistic abuse, she was described by conservative television hosts as a "manipulative" woman who "performed black magic" and "drove Sushant to suicide.")" Citation other than BBC is needed otherwise only representing the BBC's opinion. |
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"Subjected to gossip, innuendo, and misogynistic abuse," and "by conservative television hosts"-- clearly seems like opinions. <!-- Template:Unsigned --><small class="autosigned">— Preceding [[Wikipedia:Signatures|unsigned]] comment added by [[User:JerryM28|JerryM28]] ([[User talk:JerryM28#top|talk]] • [[Special:Contributions/JerryM28|contribs]]) 04:13, 11 September 2020 (UTC)</small> <!--Autosigned by SineBot--> |
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:How about [https://www.reuters.com/article/us-india-bollywood-actor/bollywood-actors-death-grips-india-with-frenzied-tv-coverage-idUSKBN2600LU Reuters]? —[[User:Jéské Couriano|<i style="color: #1E90FF;">A little blue Bori</i>]] [[User talk:Jéské Couriano|<span style="color: #228B22">v^_^v</span>]] <sup><small>[[Special:Contributions/Jéské Couriano|Hasteur Hasteur Ha-- oh....]]</small></sup> 07:11, 11 September 2020 (UTC) |
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::I think it would be better to cite those news channels that actually reported such things instead of going for what a certain news source says that some another news channels said that. But what about : "Subjected to gossip, innuendo, and misogynistic abuse," and "by conservative television hosts"? If they are said by BBC then I believe it should be written that way. Currently, I don't see any citations for the mentioned line or any quotation marks wrapping it in. [[User:JerryM28|JerryM28]] ([[User talk:JerryM28|talk]]) 08:50, 11 September 2020 (UTC) |
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:::[https://www.bbc.com/news/world-asia-india-53932725 The cited source] reads, verbatim: {{tq|She has become the subject of gossip and innuendo and misogynistic abuse.}} This is not opinion, it is reportage from the BBC, which Wikipedia's [[Wikipedia:Reliable_sources/Perennial_sources#BBC|roster of perennial sources]] says "is considered generally reliable." [[User:NedFausa|NedFausa]] ([[User talk:NedFausa|talk]]) 15:36, 11 September 2020 (UTC) |
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Rhea Chakraborty tops the list of Times 50 Most Desirable Women of 2020
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Please add Rhea Chakraborty tops the list of Times 50 Most Desirable Women of 2020
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Change the name of Rhea's character in movie Chehre from "Aana" to "Anna". 182.68.71.189 (talk) 14:34, 3 October 2021 (UTC)
Done Thanks for pointing that out! Eevee01(talk) 15:02, 3 October 2021 (UTC)
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she is not Ishani and Krrish. 2405:201:5007:9887:C5CC:F89:B8F9:559 (talk) 11:12, 21 September 2024 (UTC)
Not done: it's not clear what changes you want to be made. Please mention the specific changes in a "change X to Y" format and provide a reliable source if appropriate. Charliehdb (talk) 13:20, 21 September 2024 (UTC)
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