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 {{SPI archive notice|Sairg}}
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-===13 August 2021===
-{{SPI case status|close}}
-====Suspected sockpuppets====
-* {{checkuser|1=SashankaChutia|master name={{#titleparts:{{SUBPAGENAME}}}}}}
-* {{checkuser|1=Ananya Taye|master name={{#titleparts:{{SUBPAGENAME}}}}}}
-* {{checkuser|1=Homogenie|master name={{#titleparts:{{SUBPAGENAME}}}}}}
-* {{checkuser|1=2409:4063:4d8d:e41e:5c81:cab9:afe:7ccd|master name={{#titleparts:{{SUBPAGENAME}}}}}}
-* {{checkuser|1=103.92.41.152|master name={{#titleparts:{{SUBPAGENAME}}}}}}
-<!-- You may duplicate the templates above ({{checkuser}} and {{checkIP}}) to list more accounts-->
-*'''Tools''': <span class="plainlinks">[https://tools.wmflabs.org/sigma/editorinteract.py?users={{urlencode:{{#titleparts:{{SUBPAGENAME}}}}}}&users={{urlencode:Ananya Taye}}&users={{urlencode:Homogenie}} Editor interaction utility] • [https://tools.wmflabs.org/interaction-timeline?wiki=enwiki&user={{urlencode:{{#titleparts:{{SUBPAGENAME}}}}}}&user={{urlencode:Ananya Taye}} Interaction Timeline] • [https://tools.wmflabs.org/betacommand-dev/UserCompare/{{urlencode:{{#titleparts:{{SUBPAGENAME}}}}}}.html User compare report]</span> <small>''Auto-generated every hour.''</small>
-I am listing it here because Ananya Taye seems most likely to be "SashankaChutia", who is archived to Sairg.  But could be either [[Wikipedia:Sockpuppet_investigations/Penguinnumbers/Archive]] or [[Wikipedia:Sockpuppet_investigations/Qwertywander/Archive]].  All these socks are [[WP:SPA]] and try to push a legendary account of the [[Chutia kingdom]] as history.  This has been a multi-year phenomenon.  These socks use IPs extensively to target other pages, and I am not listing them here, since the primary pages they target are mostly semi-protected ([[Chutia people]], [[Chutia kingdom]], [[Template:Chutiya Dynasty]] etc.)
-The similarity with SashankaChutia is the following. There was a very long discussion on the domain of the Chutia kingdom, [[Talk:Chutia_Kingdom#Extent_according_to_different_authors|here]].  After a long discussion, SashankaChutia was identified as a sockpuppet.  Ananya Taye now is pushing the same boundary that SashankaChutia was pushing for, now with a map ([https://en.wikipedia.org/enwiki/w/index.php?title=Chutia_Kingdom&type=revision&diff=1038454939&oldid=1038451505], [https://en.wikipedia.org/enwiki/w/index.php?title=Chutia_Kingdom&type=revision&diff=1038426612&oldid=1038242672] etc.) and using the same arguments SashankaChutia was making.  All these socks go by their own interpretations of WP:PRIMARY texts and are incapable of coming to a consensus. [[User:Chaipau|Chaipau]] ([[User talk:Chaipau|talk]]) 14:35, 13 August 2021 (UTC)
-;Addendum
-I have added IP 2409:4063:4d8d:e41e:5c81:cab9:afe:7ccd and 103.92.41.152.  Users Ananya Taye and the IPs were making very similar edits very close to each other in their timestamps.
-* In [[Kamarupa]]: IP address [https://en.wikipedia.org/enwiki/w/index.php?title=Kamarupa&type=revision&diff=1017334986&oldid=1017315871], Ananya Taye [https://en.wikipedia.org/enwiki/w/index.php?title=Kamarupa&type=revision&diff=1017636714&oldid=1017417768].
-* In [[Raja Prithu]].  It looks like these edits are by the same user changing IDs to avoid a 3RR. 103.92.41.152 [https://en.wikipedia.org/enwiki/w/index.php?title=Raja_Prithu&type=revision&diff=1017295976&oldid=1004370121], [https://en.wikipedia.org/enwiki/w/index.php?title=Raja_Prithu&type=revision&diff=1017303030&oldid=1017301808], [https://en.wikipedia.org/enwiki/w/index.php?title=Raja_Prithu&type=revision&diff=1017304035&oldid=1017303209]; 2409:4063:4d8d:e41e:5c81:cab9:afe:7ccd [https://en.wikipedia.org/enwiki/w/index.php?title=Raja_Prithu&type=revision&diff=1017334899&oldid=1017315942]; Ananya Taye [https://en.wikipedia.org/enwiki/w/index.php?title=Raja_Prithu&type=revision&diff=1017633809&oldid=1017415835], [https://en.wikipedia.org/enwiki/w/index.php?title=Raja_Prithu&type=revision&diff=1017637479&oldid=1017635895].
-[[User:Chaipau|Chaipau]] ([[User talk:Chaipau|talk]]) 22:49, 14 August 2021 (UTC)
-: It seems I had reported this the two IPa at ANI [https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Administrators%27_noticeboard/IncidentArchive1064].  Just putting it down here for the record.  Also pinging {{u|Uncle G}} from that thread. [[User:Chaipau|Chaipau]] ([[User talk:Chaipau|talk]]) 23:34, 26 August 2021 (UTC)
-; Additional Information
-{{ping|RoySmith}} I am providing below evidence that Ananya Taye has the same behavior/interest patterns as the following two confirmed sockpuppets of the master Sairg and which was reported in [[Wikipedia:Sockpuppet_investigations/Sairg/Archive#16_September_2020]]:
-*{{u5|Ballav saikia}}
-*{{u5|SashankaChutia}}
-:: A very keen interest to extend set down a particular boundary of the [[Chutia kingdom]]:
-::* SashankaChutia: [https://en.wikipedia.org/enwiki/w/index.php?title=Chutia_Kingdom&diff=prev&oldid=975280493]
-::* Ballav saikia: [https://en.wikipedia.org/enwiki/w/index.php?title=Chutia_Kingdom&type=revision&diff=978616031&oldid=978614887]
-::* Ananya Taye: [https://en.wikipedia.org/enwiki/w/index.php?title=Chutia_Kingdom&type=revision&diff=1038454939&oldid=1038451505]
-:: Ananya Taye uses a different tact to set the boundary down - by using a [https://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/File:Chutia_kingdom_Map.png map] <s>which is not supported by modern historians</s> which is identical to the one SashankaChutia and Ballav saikia are arguing for. (edited) 11:26, 31 August 2021 (UTC)
-:: Ananya Taye insists on using primary sources to support his claims (in this case [[Buranji]]s and others).
-::* Ballav saikia: [https://en.wikipedia.org/enwiki/w/index.php?title=Chutia_Kingdom&type=revision&diff=978732166&oldid=978731980]
-::* SashankaChutia: [https://en.wikipedia.org/enwiki/w/index.php?title=Chutia_Kingdom&diff=prev&oldid=975080618]
-::* Anaya Taye: rejecting a secondary source on the basis of a primary source [https://en.wikipedia.org/enwiki/w/index.php?title=Chutia_Kingdom&type=revision&diff=1032701313&oldid=1032700240] (edit summary); Using primary sources [https://en.wikipedia.org/enwiki/w/index.php?title=Charaideo&type=revision&diff=983216864&oldid=982166935] and it was pointed out Ananya Taye just rejected the established Wikipedia policies [https://en.wikipedia.org/enwiki/w/index.php?title=User_talk%3AAnanya_Taye&type=revision&diff=987233468&oldid=987232268].
-:: The sockpuppet SashankaChutia had created a map [https://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/File:Ahom_territories_until_1522_AD_with_the_territories_of_Raja.jpg], which an IP editor started pushing after SashankaChutia was banned [https://en.wikipedia.org/enwiki/w/index.php?title=Ahom_kingdom&type=revision&diff=1029758777&oldid=1029347471], [https://en.wikipedia.org/enwiki/w/index.php?title=Ahom_kingdom&type=revision&diff=1030050994&oldid=1029856567] etc.  This is the same map that Ananya Taye uploaded into his account as "own work": [https://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/File:Ahom_kingdom_Map(1522AD).jpg].
-::I shall be happy to provide additional information if this is not sufficient. Though the [[Chutia kingdom]] article could be of interest for many editors, the sustained interest in putting down a specific boundary is a special interest of this editor.
-[[User:Chaipau|Chaipau]] ([[User talk:Chaipau|talk]]) 10:21, 31 August 2021 (UTC)
-::: {{re|RoySmith}} Thank you for your recommendation.  If SashankaChutia has gone stale, then we may try some more recent ones.  The blocking of SashankaChutia triggered a number of new accounts that were confirmed to be socks—and maybe we can CU against them.  They are:
-:::* {{checkuser|Ballav saikia}}
-:::* {{checkuser|JojoRabbitParadise}}
-:::* {{checkuser|Subashishborah}} - created on the same date as Ananya Taye.
-:::* {{checkuser|20thCenturyTiger}}
-:::* {{checkuser|Boro wiki_editor}}
-::: {{u|Berean Hunter}} is most familiar with this sock—unfortunately he is inactive on Wikipedia now.  Pinging {{u|JzG}} in case he has some inputs here.
-:::[[User:Chaipau|Chaipau]] ([[User talk:Chaipau|talk]]) 16:50, 31 August 2021 (UTC)
-; Additional connections between Ananya Taye and SashankChutia
-There were a number of attempts made by anonymous IPs in June 2021 to include the map [[:File:Ahom territories until 1522 AD with the territories of Raja.jpg]] created by the confirmed sock SashankaChutia in [[Ahom kingdom]] ([https://en.wikipedia.org/enwiki/w/index.php?title=Ahom_kingdom&type=revision&diff=1028391800&oldid=1027882545], [https://en.wikipedia.org/enwiki/w/index.php?title=Ahom_kingdom&type=revision&diff=1029758777&oldid=1029347471], [https://en.wikipedia.org/enwiki/w/index.php?title=Ahom_kingdom&type=revision&diff=1030050994&oldid=1029856567]).  I reverted the last insertion with the edit summary that this was being removed on the basis of [[WP:BE]], on 23 June 2021 [https://en.wikipedia.org/enwiki/w/index.php?title=Ahom_kingdom&type=revision&diff=1030054983&oldid=1030052521].  On that same day and within a few hours, Ananya Taye uploaded the same map as "own work" [https://commons.wikimedia.org/enwiki/w/index.php?title=Special:Log&page=File%3AAhom+kingdom+Map%281522AD%29.jpg], but with the date backdated to 1 May 2021.
-* {{checkuser|2405:204:a786:bfc1:105a:beff:f5d2:c046}}
-* {{checkuser|202.173.126.136}}
-* {{checkuser|202.173.126.162}}
-I am not adding the IP editors to checkuser request.  Please advise whether I should, {{u|RoySmith}}.  Thanks!
-[[User:Chaipau|Chaipau]] ([[User talk:Chaipau|talk]]) 22:29, 31 August 2021 (UTC) (edited—added checkuser request for IP address as per advise below) 23:12, 31 August 2021 (UTC)
-:Checkusers aren't going comment on IPs publicly, but it doesn't hurt to list them in the report. -- [[User:RoySmith|RoySmith]] [[User Talk:RoySmith|(talk)]] 22:59, 31 August 2021 (UTC)
-;Additional Checkuser request
-Requesting additional check user for:
-* {{checkuser|Simolke2}}
-This is a new user account which that seems to follow the pattern of user:Ananya Taye and other socks listed in the lists above.  Pinging {{u|RoySmith}} for visibility. [[User:Chaipau|Chaipau]] ([[User talk:Chaipau|talk]]) 13:58, 7 September 2021 (UTC)
-:What in particular makes you think Simolke2 is a sock of Sairg?  I'm not seeing any editing overlap with recent socks, and on a more technical note, all the other socks I looked at use mobile, but Simolke2 never does.  Can you supply some specific diffs that demonstrate socking? -- [[User:RoySmith|RoySmith]] [[User Talk:RoySmith|(talk)]] 14:14, 7 September 2021 (UTC)
-:: {{ping|RoySmith}} Thank you for your due diligence on Simolke2.  This user is following the same pattern established by previous socks: SashankaChutia, Ballavsaikia; and the user we are interested here Ananya Taye.
-::* Ananya Taye fell silent around the time this SPI was launched: [[Special:Contributions/Ananya_Taye]]; and the new user became active around the same time: [[Special:Contributions/Simolke2]].
-::* The users and socks have very similar user pages: Simolke2 [https://en.wikipedia.org/enwiki/w/index.php?title=User:Simolke2&oldid=1041689408], Ananya Taye [https://en.wikipedia.org/enwiki/w/index.php?title=User:Ananya_Taye&oldid=983220603], SashankaChutia [https://en.wikipedia.org/enwiki/w/index.php?title=User:SashankaChutia&oldid=958275724], Ballav Saikia [https://en.wikipedia.org/enwiki/w/index.php?title=User:Ballav_saikia&oldid=975615730], Subhashish Bora [https://en.wikipedia.org/enwiki/w/index.php?title=User:Subashishborah&oldid=979886376], JojoRabbitParadise [https://en.wikipedia.org/enwiki/w/index.php?title=User:JojoRabbitParadise&oldid=975426885], etc.
-::Since the main articles of target [[Chutia kingdom]] and [[Chutia people]] are semi-protected, these accounts spend some time minor-editing other articles till they become eligible for editing these article. In this case, Simolke2 started with some technical edits which showed that the new user is familiar with the technical aspects of Wikipedia ([https://en.wikipedia.org/enwiki/w/index.php?title=Burmese_alphabet&diff=prev&oldid=1038941237], [https://en.wikipedia.org/enwiki/w/index.php?title=Malayalam_script&diff=prev&oldid=1039131831], [https://en.wikipedia.org/enwiki/w/index.php?title=Malayalam_script&diff=prev&oldid=1039198665], [https://en.wikipedia.org/enwiki/w/index.php?title=Gurmukhi&diff=prev&oldid=1039971756], etc.) but not very familiar with the subjects per se.  But the first edit where the user showed special knowledge was here: [https://en.wikipedia.org/enwiki/w/index.php?title=Assamese_alphabet&diff=prev&oldid=1042799411].
-:: Usually, this is followed by the same pattern (WP:PRIMARY, WP:HEAR, WP:POINT etc).  The user was originally banned for sockpuppetry while edit warring using multiple accounts; but subsequent behavior has been based on using one account at a time for targeting these two article till it is discovered as a sock when a new account is created.  The user is trying hard to lose the association with these socks, but the mature behavioral issues are a dead giveaway.
-:: Please let me know if you would like me to expand on anything in particular.
-::[[User:Chaipau|Chaipau]] ([[User talk:Chaipau|talk]]) 17:03, 7 September 2021 (UTC)
-::: {{ping|RoySmith}} I am afraid I was not clear.  Ananya Taye should not be matched against Sairg, but with SashankaChutia, Subhashish Bora, and Ballavsaikia.  [[User:Chaipau|Chaipau]] ([[User talk:Chaipau|talk]]) 12:36, 27 September 2021 (UTC)
-====<big>Comments by other users</big>====
-<small>''Accused parties may also comment/discuss in this section below. See [[Wikipedia:Sockpuppet investigations/SPI/Guidance#Defending yourself against claims|Defending yourself against claims]].''</small>
-====<big>Clerk, CheckUser, and/or patrolling admin comments</big>====
-{{DiffsNeeded|moreinfo}}
-:You're going to need to give more specific evidence.  This is a big complicated case, and you've noted they could be any of three possible masters.  That makes it very difficult to do any useful analysis.  Actually, I'm inclined to close this with no action taken; looking at the technical indicators like timecards and editing clients used, I'm willing to believe that Homogenie and Ananya Taye might be the same person, but neither look anything like Sarig.  The pages being edited here are the kinds of topics which draw great interest, so it's not surprising that there could be several people with similar points of view. -- [[User:RoySmith|RoySmith]] [[User Talk:RoySmith|(talk)]] 14:44, 30 August 2021 (UTC)
-*{{Requestandendorse}} - Thank you {{u|Chaipau}} for the detailed update.  That ananya and sashanka uploaded essentially identical maps ([[:File:Ahom kingdom Map(1522AD).jpg]] and [[:File:Ahom territories until 1522 AD with the territories of Raja.jpg]], both labeled "own work") on commons is a pretty good clue.  Unfortunately, sashanka is stale on enwiki, but if we've got a CU who also has rights on commons, they're both active there.  In any case, there's sufficient overlap between ananya and homogenie ([https://sigma.toolforge.org/editorinteract.py?users=Ananya+Taye&users=Homogenie] or [https://spi-tools.toolforge.org/spi/pages/Sairg?users=Ananya+Taye&users=Homogenie]), that it's likely those two are socks.  Another clue is that both accounts were created a week apart, before either ever edited [https://spi-tools.toolforge.org/spi/timeline/Sairg?users=Ananya+Taye&users=Homogenie] and Ananys's first edit was to complain about "Vandalsim and disruptive editing" which seems a bit [[WP:PRECOCIOUS]].  On the other hand, I see a few differences in diction and grammar between them that I have my doubts.  CU should be able to tell. -- [[User:RoySmith|RoySmith]] [[User Talk:RoySmith|(talk)]] 15:01, 31 August 2021 (UTC)
-*:See also [[:commons:Commons:Requests for checkuser/Case/SashankaChutia]] -- [[User:RoySmith|RoySmith]] [[User Talk:RoySmith|(talk)]] 15:13, 31 August 2021 (UTC)
-*{{ping|RoySmith}} I'm working with limited data and very busy ranges but Ananya Taye is {{possilikely}} to Sairg and Homogenie is {{possible}}. [[File:Symbol oppose vote.svg|16px|link=|alt=]]&nbsp;'''No comment'''&nbsp;with respect to IP address(es) <b>[[User:Callanecc|Callanecc]]</b> ([[User talk:Callanecc|talk]] • [[Special:Contributions/Callanecc|contribs]] • [[Special:Log/Callanecc|logs]]) 09:20, 21 September 2021 (UTC)
-* I took another good look at {{noping|Ananya Taye}} and {{noping|Homogenie}} and can't convince myself that they're the same person as each other, let alone Sairg.  It certainly possible, based largely on editing overlap and a few other more technical indicators, but the CU results aren't enough to get me to where I feel comfortable with a block.  I made no effort to compare them to either [[Wikipedia:Sockpuppet_investigations/Penguinnumbers]] or [[Wikipedia:Sockpuppet_investigations/Qwertywander]]. If you are convinced they're one of those, please open a new report on one of those cases and provide strong evidence (i.e. diffs) to back that up.  If another clerk wants to take a whack at this, I have no objection to somebody reopening this and working on it more, but for now I'm going to mark it closed. -- [[User:RoySmith|RoySmith]] [[User Talk:RoySmith|(talk)]] 14:31, 21 September 2021 (UTC)
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