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Siebert and King

There's an ongoing Wikipedia:Dispute_resolution_noticeboard#Mass_killings_under_communist_regimes and I would love you to take part in it. Cloud200 (talk) 06:46, 5 November 2021 (UTC)[reply]

In what way am I hypocritical?

You specifically accused me of being hypocritical in my general explanation of principles. That's a pretty strong PA, but unworthy of comment there. We often focus on the bias of sources, but the bias (in my case hypocrisy) of editors is just as important as it relates to NPOV editing, and you see me as hypocritical. I'm surprised you would say such a thing as we both have our biases and both live in glass houses in that regard. It was a cheap ad hominem shot at me, as if you have no biases. Your bias was very clear in your explanation of why we should trash a highly-respected source. Biased sources can still be factual. We do not exclude sources because of their bias, only when their bias is so strong that it affects their accuracy.

At some times in history that deviation from facts will mostly affect left-wing sources, but at this point in history most RS, researchers, and fact-checkers agree that it is affecting mostly right-wing sources. C'est la vie. Lying to your enemies is one thing, but lying to your base is very self-destructive. That's what happens when TFG's supporters follow him down his rabbit hole of deception and misinformation, a fact that many Republican leaders are bemoaning. They are worried for their party. It has lost its way. I find it sad and worrying because I grew up in social circles without a single Democrat. We were all staunch Republicans, and I voted for several Republican presidents and governors. There wasn't a single drop of leftist milk in either of my mommy's breasts.

I'd appreciate your POV about my hypocrisy because I can't see myself as others see me. I'd love to improve. In what ways am I hypocritical? I have no doubt that I am guilty in some regards, and I'll thank you for any constructive criticism in that regard.

BTW, welcome back. I was concerned by your absence and wondered if you were okay. Atsme, who is a very caring and wonderful lady, wasn't able to help me with any info about you. -- Valjean (talk) 17:22, 10 November 2021 (UTC)[reply]

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 ==Siebert and King==
 There's an ongoing [[Wikipedia:Dispute_resolution_noticeboard#Mass_killings_under_communist_regimes]]  and I would love you to take part in it. [[User:Cloud200|Cloud200]] ([[User talk:Cloud200|talk]]) 06:46, 5 November 2021 (UTC)
+== In what way am I hypocritical? ==
+You specifically accused me of [https://en.wikipedia.org/enwiki/w/index.php?title=Talk:Links_between_Trump_associates_and_Russian_officials&diff=prev&oldid=1054450073 being hypocritical] in my general explanation of principles. That's a pretty strong PA, but unworthy of comment there. We often focus on the bias of sources, but the bias (in my case hypocrisy) of editors is just as important as it relates to NPOV editing, and you see me as hypocritical. I'm surprised you would say such a thing as we both have our biases and both live in glass houses in that regard. It was a cheap ad hominem shot at me, as if you have no biases. Your bias was very clear in your explanation of why we should trash a highly-respected source. Biased sources can still be factual. We do not exclude sources because of their bias, only when their bias is so strong that it affects their accuracy.
+At some times in history that deviation from facts will mostly affect left-wing sources, but at this point in history most RS, researchers, and fact-checkers agree that it is affecting mostly right-wing sources. ''C'est la vie''. Lying to your enemies is one thing, but lying to your base is very self-destructive. That's what happens when TFG's supporters follow him down his rabbit hole of deception and misinformation, a fact that many Republican leaders are bemoaning. They are worried for their party. It has lost its way. I find it sad and worrying because I grew up in social circles without a single Democrat. We were all staunch Republicans, and I voted for several Republican presidents and governors. There wasn't a single drop of leftist milk in either of my mommy's breasts.{{;)}}
+I'd appreciate your POV about my hypocrisy because I can't see myself as others see me. I'd love to improve. In what ways am I hypocritical? I have no doubt that I am guilty in some regards, and I'll thank you for any constructive criticism in that regard.
+BTW, welcome back. I was concerned by your absence and wondered if you were okay. Atsme, who is a very caring and wonderful lady, wasn't able to help me with any info about you. -- [[User:Valjean|Valjean]] ([[User talk:Valjean|talk]]) 17:22, 10 November 2021 (UTC)