User talk:NadirAli/Archive 1

Re:How do I post edited Articles.

I'm not exactly sure, but you have contributed to a few articles as seen here. Your edits are indeed being saved. I'm guessing that perhaps instead of clicking the "save page" button below, you might have clicked the "show preview" button? Is there any special article on which your edits were not saved? Did you check the article's history (by clicking the history button on top)? Perhaps someone must have reverted your edits. Please let me know. -- thunderboltz^{a.k.a.Deepu Joseph |TALK}

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1 week block

You have been blocked from editing Wikipedia for a period of 1 week as a result of your disruptive edits. You are free to make constructive edits after the block has expired, but please note that vandalism (including page blanking or addition of random text), spam, deliberate misinformation, privacy violations, personal attacks; and repeated, blatant violations of our neutral point of view policy will not be tolerated.

While I would have been only too happy to discuss the issue with you, I saw your comments on user talk:Nobleeagle and find that you have made gross violations of WP:NPA and WP:CIVIL by making accusations and insulting remarks about other editors. Please use this block to cool off and come back a more civil editor. Rama's arrow 20:04, 10 January 2007 (UTC)

unblock request

Ramma's Arrow is a biased admin who has unjustly blocked 3 users and engaged in several edit wars.I wish to be unblocked so i can provide my evidence against Ramma's Arrow and his associates.User Fowler&fowler is already posting good evidence against this disruptive "administrator" and I wish to help provide him with more accuarate evidence.Nadirali 03:26, 17 January 2007 (UTC)

You can paste the evidence right here while you are waiting for the unblock appeal to be heard. Also, you are blocked directly, please use {{unblock}}. Blnguyen (bananabucket) 03:30, 17 January 2007 (UTC)

Okay.This may take a while,but I'm now in the process of slowly posting the evidence here.Nadirali 03:44, 17 January 2007 (UTC) [deliberately linking Pakistan to religious fanaticism,offending other users][telling unjustly blocked user wikipedia is not a battle ground.]while speaking of [a need to retaliate] on Folwer&fowler's talkpage.[warned by close associate that unjustified block may be dangerous]. [edit wars with another user he unjustly blocked and continues to edit war,now against Fowler&fowler.][Fowler&fowler testifies].[other admins disagree with length of blocks].[other admins agree the length is too long.]RA's associates [compare us to Nazis]

Note that you are not blocked by Rama's Arrow, you are blocked by Shanel. --Yamla 04:04, 17 January 2007 (UTC)

I was REBLOCKED by Shanel.I was using my unblocked IP to provide Fowler&fowler with evidence which he is currently posting on WP:ANI.I was then re-blocked for "evading my block".I am still not yet finished posting my evidence here.I request other admins do not post yet for the next 15-20 minitues.It only creates an edit conflict and I loss precious evidence.Nadirali 04:17, 17 January 2007 (UTC) [offensive edit summeries by associate of RA.]Note:the "Pakistani textbooks" are used by terrorists in Pakistan to recruit followers and are extremely offensive when the Indian users use the "Pakistani texbook" remarks. [RA now accuses Fowler&fowler(or anyone who disagrees)of being "incivil":His same "reason" for blocking me and 2 other users.] Please check the top of this discussion page where Fowler&fowler left a message about Ramma's arrow.Nadirali 04:27, 17 January 2007 (UTC) His denial of an Indian cabal can easily be proved wrong by checking the history dozens of articles such as [this one.]More offesnsive ["textbook comments"]. Please ask User:Islescape for more evidence which he has on himself.Nadirali 04:36, 17 January 2007 (UTC) Rama's Arrow is also an offensive username.A Muslim or Christian equivelent would be "Muhammed's sword" or "Jesus's dagger". The so-called "gross accusations" I made were of an Indian cabal that controls all(or most) Pakistani articles through tag-team edit wars and filling it with anti-Pakistan sentiments such as "Pakistani nationalists can celebrate the deaths...".They once wrote an(now deleted) article on Christians in Pakistan which claimed that "Pakistan blames the Jews and the Christians".They also plan on writing similar articles as seen [here].I call these people "associates" of RA because they seem to share the same dislike for Pakistan.Not only that,but their userpages also show they're all closely linked.The history of articles also show a clear sign of tag team edit wars.This disruptive "administrator" blocked me for pointing to a cabal of Indian tag-teams.I was blocked for this.However,user:Islescape,administrator User:Fowler&fowler can testify to this as well as the evidence from the history of the articles.RA also proposed that religious fundamentalism be placed in the Pakistani article as seen in the link I provided above.It clearly shows his motives and intentions.Nadirali 04:54, 17 January 2007 (UTC)

RA is now accusing Fowler&fowler of "POV pushing" the same thing he falsly accussed another user user:Unre4L and I of by giving him a similar week block.Infact any user who disagrees wih him or his associates is automatically being "incivil" or "POV pushing".Nadirali 05:29, 17 January 2007 (UTC)

reason for unblock

I needed to post evidence to Fowler&fowler which I did from my own unblocked IP adress.Please discuss the blocks(including those of Unre4L and Szhaider) carefully with other admins as well as users Islescape and Fowler&fowler(who is also now facing a similar threat).Please look [here]Nadirali 17:26, 17 January 2007 (UTC)

Retrieved from "http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User_talk:Fowler%26fowler" I clearly provided evidence that RA's block is unjustified. Can this please atleast be discussed properly among admins?Admins can't just block users for personal interest. I have not committed any violation.What was a violation is this unjust block.I also did not edit from another IP.My own IP adress was left unblocked.Nadirali 00:15, 18 January 2007 (UTC)

Disputes

I have left a message on User talk:Siddiqui which I urge you to read. Nobleeagle ^[TALK] [C] 06:16, 9 January 2007 (UTC)

Your lucky day

I'm not going to edit anything controversial for the next nine months and "push my POV" since I'll be on a semi-Wikibreak. Just to let you know, there were users (anti-Urdu) who wanted to remove the Urdu script off Bollywood articles and on Indian cities, when I supported keeping Urdu because I believe Hindi and Urdu are the same langauge just written differently. Gizza^{Chat ©} Regards 01:18, 18 January 2007 (UTC)

thanks for your thanks

Thanks for your thanks, but someone else awarded you the barnstar, not me. csloat 19:26, 11 January 2007 (UTC)

Hi!

I have also posted this message to Unre4L

Regarding the Pakhub article, have you read WP:WEB? May you please give an argument based on WP:WEB on why it should stay. Please respond on my talk page and only answer these two questions. I am willing to discuss this since you are obviously disappointed that the forum you created can't have an article on Wikipedia. If I still disagree with you after the discussion, you can request the page to be re-created to another administrator who has no connections with India or Pakistan whatsoever. This is the list Wikipedia:List of administrators. I am sorry if I have insulted you and hope that we can set all of the disagreements we had in the past. Thank you and have a good day. Gizza^{Chat ©} 08:40, 7 January 2007 (UTC)

Okay, I'm going to refrain from India vs Pakistan thing for a while until neutral intervention arrives (American, British, European etc preferably non-Hindu/Muslim). I know that you guys won't listen to me so it'll be a waste of time. May I suggest bring User:Pepsidrinka into the debate since he is a Pakistani administrator on the English Wikipedia. He was the one along with User:Nichalp (who's Indian btw) who helped make Pakistan a Feature Article. Pepsidrinka has very pleasant relations with the Indian Wikipedians here so I think it will be worthwhile. Best wishes and I hope neutral admins find a remedy soon for everyone's sake. Gizza^{Chat ©} 10:49, 7 January 2007 (UTC)

Your posting to the Village Pump (proposals) page

Hi Nadirali,

Thanks for your posting about Star Trek and Star Wars to the Village Pump (porposals) page. Unfortunately the page you posted to is not an appropriate place for discussing the content of these articles. Please bring up your concerns on the articles' talk pages (i.e. Talk:Star Wars and Talk:Star Trek) instead. Also, when you add a message to any talk page, please sign your comment by putting ~~~~ (that's four tilde characters) at the end; this automatically gets expanded to your signature and a timestamp. Thanks, Gwernol 15:58, 17 October 2006 (UTC)

Regarding Balochistan Conflict

You may have your opinion about the issue but thats what POV is. Wikipedia is not about representing POV of Balochistan people or Pakistani Govt. We need a NPOV approach for the article and what that user has done, isn't valid according to wikipedia rules. He/she may discuss changes, try to convert an article to NPOV but can't replace it with a POV essay. Wikipedia is not about essays.voldemortuet 22:08, 3 December 2006 (UTC)

Agreed that wikipedia should stay neutral on the issue.However the fact is that dozens have been killed at the hands of the army and that's what needs to be put on wikipedia'Nadirali 01:15, 4 December 2006

where did you lived during visit in hyderabad

Dear Nadir ,there are many sindhi communities in orkut ,u can join those but i do not know about other communities if you know any let me know for sure I will join it along with you.

Hope every thing is fine with you. Where did you lived in Hyderabad during your visit?

Khalidkhoso 04:34, 22 December 2006 (UTC)

Nadir ,i do not like MQM any shape, now these days there having flags in Larkana city can you believe this? .You know why? because they have new Slogan "we are sindhi" but who does nothing for sindh.on other side they still planning to broke her to into parts making new state "Jinnah Pora". Yeah it is offending for sure

Khalidkhoso 04:46, 22 December 2006 (UTC)

Cha Hal Ahin(how are you,sindhi).

Yeah Hyderabad Cantonment is beautiful, telling you one more thing .it is expensive area too because it is having Sadder Market inside it, if you visit sadder market ,i believe you will change idea that Hyderabad cantonment is beautiful.Yeah residence area of Army officer is beautiful, it is not in Hyderabad it is every where. I mean take example of Karachi, which is Most expensive area of Karachi? "DHA" "Defense Housing Society" it is under control of army. they are also allot bangles in sadder Karachi. Do you speak Sindhi?

Sadain Gud

Khalidkhoso 05:19, 22 December 2006 (UTC)

Nadir why not create Wiki_Sindhi(sort of community working for sindhi pages and related topics) ,how this sounds like :P

Khalidkhoso 05:19, 22 December 2006 (UTC)

I agree with that sindhi are weak But why? . we should look for reasons it is beacuse they are un-educated,simple in nature,Sufi in religion,resources occupied by others,fighting with each other,killing in name of honour,lake of information .read history even Moen-jo-daro ppls did not made any weapon in there time how they make now? what i am trying to say is they are Much sufi in nature.They are divide as hindu sindhi,muslim sindhi(then Barouch(different tribes fighting for power Jatoi,Magsi,Bugti,Khosa,Laghari,Mastoi,Mirani,etc inside them stil are they divided as take expample of Magsi Shambhani,Bhutani,Sakhani) etc...,jamot Tunio,Sommro,Sayyal,Bhatti,Thebo,Dahar). How you expect to be in power with this? and read my profile i am Balouch oriented Sindhi we called as Barouch (Balouch but Sindhi) Khalidkhoso 06:04, 22 December 2006 (UTC)

Hi Nadir i have post my request on Sindhi_Wikipedian ,if they would not change that Flag i will do it ,have You seen Muhajir Wikipedian. it is same like sindhi_wikipedian no change between both tags, I will put Ajruk On that flag that is Identity of Sindhi's

Khalidkhoso 08:53, 23 December 2006 (UTC)

Hello Bro ,i removed Flag from sindhi wikipedian and made some editing.i will make picture here of my ajruk and upload it.but these days it is little bit hard to do.i will do it after Eid,till then Happy Eid "Eid Mubark" ,Happy New Year. Khalidkhoso 04:18, 29 December 2006 (UTC)

Nadirali نادرالی

Perhaps admins who have no involvement with India or Pakistan should be brought in to review cases and actually issue blocks in the future. That way, there will be no conflict of interest. The Behnam 17:18, 30 January 2007 (UTC)

Thankyou now there are 5 people who agree on the same thing about RA.I was going to remove the suspected sockpuppet tag just as RA blocked me.He tried to hide his bias by simply pretending to agree with Rumps block.

Can the block atleast be shortened?1 week seems like a long time,even for edit warring.Add to that Rumpeltskin223 edit wars with everyone on articles that don't fit his POV,so it wasnt just another editwar.Either way,I find 1 week quite lengthy.Nadirali نادرالی

I believe Rumpel's been blocked too. Nobleeagle ^[TALK] [C] 21:40, 30 January 2007 (UTC)

I only provided a good reason that a week block is a bit long that's all.All I had requested was that the block be shortened and for a good reason.This is ridiculous.Nadirali نادرالی

unblock request

I simply provided evidence of Rama's Arrow's dishonesty as an administrator(who has now blocked 4 users critsizing his dishonesty).If I had not provided evidence against RA,I wouldn't have been blocked.RA has also engaged in tag-team edit wars against Szhaider on the Iqbal article.Did he get blocked for it at all?If you look carefully I took the effort to resolve my dispute with Rumps who is without a doubt a sock/meatpuppet of Hkelkar for which I also provided evidence for.If the block must stay,it should atleast be shortened from 1 week.I find that a bit too long for someone who provides evidence against a dishonest admin.

AGF

Please WP:AGF and see WP:RS. raise all the issues you want. Your record speaks for itself. Rumpelstiltskin223 21:17, 29 January 2007 (UTC)

I would advise you not to make threats. Rumpelstiltskin223 21:22, 29 January 2007 (UTC)

I suggest to you strongly to take Fowler's advice and keep calm - please do not make accusations against other editors or engage in revert wars. You must treat your return as a fresh starting point. Rama's arrow 21:29, 29 January 2007 (UTC)

Reply

Thanks a lot for your message. You are free to edit any page, however, discussing major edits is always a good idea. As for your talk page, it is better to archive talk page contents. See WP:ARCHIVE to learn how to do that. After archiving talk page contents, you can remove old messages from your talk page.

Welcome back, and I hope you will have a productive time in Wikipedia. Thanks. --Ragib 01:45, 2 December 2006 (UTC)

Re

Regarding this message, I'm a bit confused. I haven't posted any message to you about this. If you were referring to this message, note that it wasn't on your talk page, and wasn't directed to you. Thanks. --Ragib 05:32, 3 December 2006 (UTC)

I'm too busy to go through the messages between Kumarnator and you, but a great way of stopping someone from messaging you is to *not respond to it*. Of course, if it is related to editing in an article, responding to it is recommended, but if you feel someone is sending you a message without any purpose, the best way is to refrain from responding to it. Thanks. --Ragib 04:11, 5 December 2006 (UTC)

Moving a conversation to this page

Please stop editing your reply on my talk archive page. Please don't post on my user talk archive page, as it doesn't become available for other users to read.

I don't know why you felt the need to come in and say anything to me about your warning against the corrupting forces on Wikipedia, or about how South Asians and Arabs are conflated in many Western minds, and portrayed negatively. I really don't have any concern about your issue with corruption on Wikipedia, I just mentioned that your words and tone seem like you are on a crusade. I referred to your rhetoric as nationalistic because you have said things about Indians and Bangladeshi editors' nationalities being an impedance to their seeing the truth, or words to that effect. I don't have a problem distinguishing South Asian culture or language from Arab culture or language, and I don't have any bigotry toward South Asians (two of my very good friends are from India - one is a Gujarati Shi'ite Muslim, one is a Bengali Hindu).

Before you correct me on my statements above, let me acknowledge that I probably got it all wrong on both counts. Please grant me the right to be wrong, just this once.

If you want to continue conversing with me, please let's do it on your talk page. I probably won't respond to any more talk about corruption or nationalism though, because I don't find them very interesting topics, and I definitely won't respond to anything you post on my talk pages. Thanks, Erielhonan 01:45, 4 December 2006 (UTC)

I wont respond to this till maybe tommorrow.Got a history assignment to finish.Due Wednesday.74.98.241.189 02:22, 4 December 2006 (UTC)Nadirali