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<ref>https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC4543091/</ref><ref>https://systematicreviewsjournal.biomedcentral.com/articles/10.1186/s13643-015-0173-5</ref><ref>https://www.thelancet.com/journals/lanchi/article/PIIS2352-4642(18)30022-1/fulltext</ref>, here's three. Adolescence ending in the 20's a common definition in the field. Changing "legal age" to "late teens or early 20s" makes more sense and isn't going to throw off the article much if at all. |
<ref>https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC4543091/</ref><ref>https://systematicreviewsjournal.biomedcentral.com/articles/10.1186/s13643-015-0173-5</ref><ref>https://www.thelancet.com/journals/lanchi/article/PIIS2352-4642(18)30022-1/fulltext</ref>, here's three. Adolescence ending in the 20's a common definition in the field. Changing "legal age" to "late teens or early 20s" makes more sense and isn't going to throw off the article much if at all. |
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:There's a marked out author's note in the lead about this. It says the issue had two discussions. I saw it when I added updated resources to the lead sentence last month.[https://en.wikipedia.org/enwiki/w/index.php?title=Adolescence&diff=1059325863&oldid=1054941714] I agree with previous consensus. "Ends in early 20s" isn't most typical. Most of resources I saw said "legal adulthood" or "adulthood." Legal adulthood is what's most typically declared as adulthood as "18-majority countries" are the big majority, and those "18-majority countries" are the big majority. I find that acknowledgement of "into the 20s" because the lead also says, "Adolescence is usually associated with the teenage years, but its physical, psychological or cultural expressions may begin earlier and end later. Puberty now typically begins during preadolescence, particularly in females. Physical growth (particularly in males) and cognitive development can extend into the early twenties. Thus, age provides only a rough marker of adolescence, and scholars have found it difficult to agree upon a precise definition of adolescence." [[User:GBFEE|GBFEE]] ([[User talk:GBFEE|talk]]) 20:59, 10 January 2022 (UTC) |
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For puberty developments, adding female ejaculation is important, near the period section. MarioLuigiGCFan (talk) 14:26, 8 March 2021 (UTC)
Not done without a reliable source. OhNoitsJamie Talk 15:02, 8 March 2021 (UTC)
Problematic phrasing in "Wisdom" section
The phrasing of the paragraph makes it seem like that wisdom can be quantified ("increases between the ages of fourteen and twenty-five"), when wisdom is a qualitative description of a person's life experience. If anyone has access to the article which is behind a paywall, please add information about the 5 wisdom criteria mentioned there and which metrics the study uses to quantify wisdom. Threedotshk (talk) 12:09, 3 October 2021 (UTC)
Lede sentence is patently absurd, on its face
"...physical and psychological changes that generally occur from[...]until legal adulthood."
(emphasis mine). Law has no effect on anyone's physiology or psychology; if adolescence is defined by material reality, then an arbitrary point in time defined by a state cannot be part of the definition. Further, the age of legal adulthood varies from place to place: it is 18 in some places, 21 in others, and a few other variations also exist. Do people in 18-majority countries magically attain physicsl and psychological maturity three years earlier than their counterparts in 21-majority countries? Clearly not!
Suggestion (for now): change "legal adulthood" to "late teens or early 20s". This describes nearly the exact same thing, but does not arftificially tie the definition of a physical andpsychological state of development to a legal definition. 2600:1702:4960:1DE0:99BE:44C4:D550:2282 (talk) 22:52, 8 December 2021 (UTC)
- A lot of sources agree with you on this
[1][2][3], here's three. Adolescence ending in the 20's a common definition in the field. Changing "legal age" to "late teens or early 20s" makes more sense and isn't going to throw off the article much if at all.
MemeTrooper (talk) 03:46, 10 January 2022 (UTC)MemeTrooper (talk) 04:11, 10 January 2022 (UTC)
- There's a marked out author's note in the lead about this. It says the issue had two discussions. I saw it when I added updated resources to the lead sentence last month.[1] I agree with previous consensus. "Ends in early 20s" isn't most typical. Most of resources I saw said "legal adulthood" or "adulthood." Legal adulthood is what's most typically declared as adulthood as "18-majority countries" are the big majority, and those "18-majority countries" are the big majority. I find that acknowledgement of "into the 20s" because the lead also says, "Adolescence is usually associated with the teenage years, but its physical, psychological or cultural expressions may begin earlier and end later. Puberty now typically begins during preadolescence, particularly in females. Physical growth (particularly in males) and cognitive development can extend into the early twenties. Thus, age provides only a rough marker of adolescence, and scholars have found it difficult to agree upon a precise definition of adolescence." GBFEE (talk) 20:59, 10 January 2022 (UTC)