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Projected Composition

Party	Deputies	Senators	Regionals electors	Total electors	Percentage
M5S	159	74	TBD	233	23.1%
PD	94	38	TBD	132	13.1%
IV	27	16	TBD	43	4.3%
LeU	12	6	TBD	18	1.8%
other CSX+M5S	9	2	24	31	3.1%
Lega	133	65	TBD	198	19.6%
FI	77	50	TBD	127	12.6%
FdI	37	24	TBD	61	6.0%
CI	24	7	TBD	31	3.1%
other CDX	5	0	32	37	3.7%
Minor./Aut.	4	8	2	14	1.4%
Mixed	48	32	0	80	7.9%
Total	630	315	58	1,009	100%

Braganza (talk) 09:34, 18 November 2021 (UTC)[reply]

It will finally be 1,007, as one PD deputy left his seat to become mayor of Rome, and one Liga senator died, both not being replaced in time for the presidential vote. Source : [1]--Aréat (talk) 17:48, 19 December 2021 (UTC)[reply]

@Aréat: from December 23, new senator Tilde Minasi (Lega) replaced dead senator Paolo Saviane. About the other, the 2022 Italian by-elections will be held on 16 January 2022, maybe (never say never) there will be in time a new deputy replacing mayor Roberto Gualtieri. --Holapaco77 (talk) 22:05, 30 December 2021 (UTC)[reply]

Thanks. Are you sure it isn't too late? Others sources seem pretty confident in saying it will be 1007. Maybe only the parliamentaries sworn in at the time the election is called can vote.--Aréat (talk) 17:51, 1 January 2022 (UTC)[reply]

@Aréat: I got it: the "missing" senator is it:Adriano Cario (still not replaced), so 1,007 is correct "now". Proclamation of the new deputy (that will be elected on January 16) will be quick (usually 4-5 days), so I think that it could be even possible to get 1,008 in time.--Holapaco77 (talk) 14:27, 2 January 2022 (UTC)[reply]

Thanks for the follow up.--Aréat (talk) 11:56, 3 January 2022 (UTC)[reply]

New senator Fabio Porta (PD) replaced Adriano Cario. --Holapaco77 (talk) 14:41, 14 January 2022 (UTC)[reply]

Isn't there a proper, official source on the college composition? The current table is sort of a mess, as it isn't supported by any of the sources provided, which give slightly different numbers to almost all parties.--Aréat (talk) 02:02, 21 January 2022 (UTC)[reply]

There are the official Senate and Chamber political group composition tables. But these cannot be used as "static" sources because the composition reported on those links changes very often given the high number of MPs who change side during the legislature. In a month or so, those sources will have different numbers, and therefore the information reported on the tables here will not be verifiable anymore. OTOH journalistic studies disagree with each other slightly on the final counts, see two Italian political analysis expert websites like Il Post vs OpenPolis. --Yakme (talk) 07:47, 21 January 2022 (UTC)[reply]

Candidates or nominees list

I think the "Candidates/Nominees" section could count as WP:OR, and the section should probably be either removed or largely re-structured. Italian presidential elections do not involve explicit candidacies: virtually anyone can be nominated (and elected) President. That is why I changed the word "candidate" to "nominee" in the first place. However the main issue is the following: what is the criterion by which people have been included in that list / table? To me it looks like someone is adding "candidates" to this article just by taking newspaper articles online where someone (a politician, a journalist, or anyone really) said publicly that person X could be eligible for President. I don't think this is enough ground to state that these are "possible candidacies" on this encyclopedia. --Yakme (talk) 15:28, 3 January 2022 (UTC)[reply]

As Paolo Cirino Pomicino said on the TG2 News: "for the Quirinal you can't be a candidate: you are chosen for it". Just as the word 'papabili' exists in conclaves, some journalists use the term 'quirinabili'.--Holapaco77 (talk) 15:37, 7 January 2022 (UTC)[reply]

I know this, but then what is the criterion by which some people are added to this article's list of 'quirinabili'? What are minimum requirements to be added to that list? --Yakme (talk) 15:59, 7 January 2022 (UTC)[reply]

Opinion polls

There are several opinion polls on "quirinabili", do you think it would be useful to include them?--Holapaco77 (talk) 12:52, 15 January 2022 (UTC)[reply]

Opinion polls have no sense whatsoever, given that it is not the general public the one voting for the President, but only an assembly of MPs and other politicians. I also think that the candidate/nominees list we have is a large WP:OR section, and would remove it. --Yakme (talk) 07:40, 16 January 2022 (UTC)[reply]

Potential nominees

Lots of reported nominees are simply baseless speculation whose source are simply sensationalist articles mostly from last year. I reckon the section should be greatly cleaned up. GiAbTankred (talk) 21:43, 24 January 2022 (UTC)[reply]

Totally agree. I would remove that section completely. It is based on the personal thoughts of journalists or politicians. --Yakme (talk) 22:00, 24 January 2022 (UTC)[reply]

Totally agree, it's absolutely nonsense now... -- Nick.mon (talk) 22:22, 24 January 2022 (UTC)[reply]

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 Lots of reported nominees are simply baseless speculation whose source are simply sensationalist articles mostly from last year. I reckon the section should be greatly cleaned up. [[User:GiAbTankred|GiAbTankred]] ([[User talk:GiAbTankred|talk]]) 21:43, 24 January 2022 (UTC)
 :Totally agree. I would remove that section completely. It is based on the personal thoughts of journalists or politicians. --[[User:Yakme|Yakme]] ([[User talk:Yakme|talk]]) 22:00, 24 January 2022 (UTC)
+::Totally agree, it's absolutely nonsense now... -- [[User:Nick.mon|Nick.mon]] ([[User talk:Nick.mon|talk]]) 22:22, 24 January 2022 (UTC)