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References to use

Please add to the list references that can be used for the film article.

• Brown, Jeffrey A. (2011). Dangerous Curves: Action Heroines, Gender, Fetishism, and Popular Culture. University Press of Mississippi. ISBN 978-1-60473-714-1.
• Donovan, Barna William (2008). The Asian Influence on Hollywood Action Films. McFarland. ISBN 978-0-7864-3403-9.
• Donovan, Barna William (2009). Blood, Guns, and Testosterone: Action Films, Audiences, and a Thirst for Violence. Scarecrow Press. ISBN 978-0-8108-7262-2.
• Gallagher, Mark (2006). Action Figures: Men, Action Films, and Contemporary Adventure Narratives. Palgrave Macmillan. ISBN 978-1-4039-7012-1.
• Inness, Sherrie A. (2004). Action Chicks: New Images of Tough Women in Popular Culture. Palgrave Macmillan. ISBN 978-1-4039-6403-8.
• Lichtenfeld, Eric (2007). Action Speaks Louder: Violence, Spectacle, and the American Action Movie. Wesleyan. ISBN 978-0-8195-6801-4.
• Logan, Bey (1996). Hong Kong Action Cinema. Overlook TP. ISBN 978-0-87951-663-5.
• Purse, Lisa (2011). Contemporary Action Cinema. Edinburgh University Press. ISBN 978-0-7486-3817-8.
• Schubart, Rikke (2007). Super Bitches and Action Babes: The Female Hero in Popular Cinema, 1970–2006. McFarland & Company. ISBN 978-0-7864-2924-0.
• Sims, Yvonne D. (2006). Women of Blaxploitation: How the Black Action Film Heroine Changed American Popular Culture. McFarland & Company. ISBN 978-0-7864-2744-4.
• Stork, Matthias (2011). Chaos Cinema: The decline and fall of action filmmaking. Press Play http://blogs.indiewire.com/pressplay/video_essay_matthias_stork_calls_out_the_chaos_cinema. {{cite AV media}}: External link in |publisher= (help)
• Tasker, Yvonne (2004). The Action and Adventure Cinema. Routledge. ISBN 978-0-415-23507-5.

Is Action a Genre???

It is the most recent of film genres, but is it really a genre?? For me it's just a sub-genre of thriller/suspense with more action than your average thriller. 201.42.211.28 (talk) 23:36, 12 February 2010 (UTC)

There have been several books citing it here as a genre. Please note that your suggestions are against WP:OR. Regardless, I do not think the films of Jackie Chan would be part of any subgenre of thrillers for example. Andrzejbanas (talk) 02:56, 13 February 2010 (UTC)

Martial arts films in general are hard to re-categorize as thrillers or crime, though that can be a secondary characteristic. The style of fighting is so prominent and so characteristic of MA movies that it becomes their defining trait, so in that sense I think they are very "pure" action movies. Of course that's up for debate. Alexgriffith (talk) 22:00, 22 March 2013 (UTC)

Yes, action is a genre by its OWN. People even argue that horror is also part of thriller. This just makes the thriller genre way too broad. Action and horror are both evolved enough to be by THEMSELVES - individual genres. In actuality, thriller should also be a sugbenre of crime or drama because most have incredible amounts of drama and crime elements. You see, this goes like a domino effect. I hereby say that action, thriller and horror are individual genres. They can diverge, but not usually.User:Lionhead99 (talk) 20:56, 8 June 2012 (EST)

I agree with Lionhead99 and would add that what makes action a genre isn't just the common "content" tropes - the lone hero, the resolution of conflicts through violence, and car chases or other familiar set pieces - but also how it's filmed. I'm going to add a sections called something like "Camerwork in Action Cinema" or "Action Cinema", discussing kinetic editing, shakey cam, steadicam, quick cuts, using Paul Greengrass, Quentin Tarantino, and John Woo as examples. I'll also link to a really good video-essay by Matthias Stork on the decline of action cinema. One opinion among many but it's good to include the general internet discussion on a topic's Wiki page. Let me know what you think! Alexgriffith (talk) 20:17, 22 March 2013 (UTC)

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Grammatical and stylistic problems with the article

I have attempted to remove grammatical issues in the portion of the article that explains the history of the action film. There are many cases where sentences could be compressed and words could be eliminated, and I have tried to do this for clarity.

I'm not going to alter the overall narrative of the history of the action film, although I do have some problems with the way it is presented here. It seems that the author(s) are using their personal knowledge of action films but are not providing the proper references to back up their claims.RoyalBlue43 (talk) 00:56, 25 March 2013 (UTC)

Removal of Top Ten Lists

In an effort to contribute to the clean-up effort, I have removed two sizable sections including lists of the "top ten" action films and actors. Though clearly made in good faith, these lists were based upon somewhat subjective information; a single IMDB link alone for each section is an insufficient reference, and a "top" anything that cannot be quantified is inherently un-encyclopedic. "Top-ten grossing films" would be okay (though probably not necessary in this article), but "top-ten" alone is not. Please discuss any other changes before implementing them. --Jackson Peebles (talk) 04:50, 26 March 2013 (UTC)

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Sub genres

I've removed sections of sub-genres that either

• didn't have sources
• stated information that was not in their sources at all.

I don't believe they should be re-added without sources. Andrzejbanas (talk) 11:29, 6 July 2020 (UTC)

The recent additions to these sections again state information that is not in the source. The action adventure genre is pulled from this and does not state what is written here at all. Same with the action-drama sources here, this one is referring to television genres, not film, this is no appropriate so I'll have them removed. Andrzejbanas (talk) 17:22, 6 July 2020 (UTC)

It would have been better to rewrite according to the sources. This was the book which I took info on action adventure from. Kailash29792 (talk) 17:52, 6 July 2020 (UTC)

Looking at that page, it still says what is stated in the previous source, which was not stated at all on your source. This authors definition seems to be nearly the same as the action thriller definition item as well. Which would look weird on the page. Andrzejbanas (talk) 13:28, 7 July 2020 (UTC)

77Survivor, please comment. Let's come to a consensus that allows redirects like action drama film and action adventure film to remain undeleted and correctly targeting anywhere without being broken redirects. Kailash29792 (talk) 14:08, 8 July 2020 (UTC)

Well, first off, I am sorry for responding late. I too think that redirects to action drama film and action adventure film should at least remain undeleted. There are many movies that combines these genres, and I've myself used the aforementioned redirects instead of mentioning them separately. But as for listing the sub-genres on the article page itself, it's a bit difficult to say. Action can be combined with any other genre, and I'd agree with what AllMovie says for the genre's speciality:

"the various other action subgenres too numerous to mention." [1]

But redirects are pretty harmless. Especially when a lot of Indian movies make use of them, mostly action-dramas. Action-adventure still remains an uncharted territory for many movies, but given there are movies that combine both the genres instead of falling into just one, I think redirects shouldn't be a problem. I'm not going to question the removal of sub-genres such as action-crime because again, action can be combined with any other genre and that would make the combinations, too numerous to mention. (77Survivor (talk) 14:42, 8 July 2020 (UTC))

I'm sorry but the removed subgenres do exist, and if you're unhappy with the sources at the moment, I will add more sources to back them up. 2A02:C7F:6E64:1C00:6D74:7E53:B048:55D6 (talk) 15:06, 8 July 2020 (UTC)

Thank you 2A02:C7F:6E64:1C00:6D74:7E53:B048:55D6 for restoring those sections. Now please add more sources to the films mentioned under Action -horror. Kailash29792 (talk) 15:14, 8 July 2020 (UTC)

Will do tomorrow when I'm a little freer. 2A02:C7F:6E64:1C00:6D74:7E53:B048:55D6 (talk) 15:17, 8 July 2020 (UTC)

I've re-removed them as the current sources and content re-added was not backed up by their source. I'm happy for re-adding them, but I can't think of any instance when you should be re-adding them with sources that do not reflect the content. Andrzejbanas (talk) 15:51, 8 July 2020 (UTC)

Andrzejbanas, did you read mine and 77Survivor's comments? Also, did you read this source I had added? Page 174 says, "Action-adventure films were among the most popular movies of the 1980s. The three Indiana Jones films, starring Harrison Ford, are the archetype of this genre, in which the male hero performs remarkable feats that require bravery and skill throughout a fast-paced 90-minute struggle with an evil villain. The hero ultimately emerges triumphant after several close calls, defeating the villain, saving the day, and usually winning the affection of the female lead. One version of this genre places the hero in faraway, exotic lands, making the villains and the action more unpredictable." Taking info from that, I wrote the section which you mercilessly reverted, saying it does not match the source. Kailash29792 (talk) 15:58, 8 July 2020 (UTC)

I must have made a mistake. I was distracted that all the other content re-added without a source (or sources that didn't match their content). I am confused how they say "one version of this genre" which does not sound like a really strong argument of what the genre is about. Also, is this genre more related to adventure films, or more related to action films? They seem to go on about it also belonging to the Vietnam War genre style, but then list things like Rush Hour which seem to contradict what the style of the genre is. I apologize though, it was a mistake on my part. Andrzejbanas (talk) 16:04, 8 July 2020 (UTC)

Coinage of the term

Some time in maybe the mid 80s A writer from the northern US was discussing with my girlfriend an article he was writing about the genre. He was having a problem with what to call the genre. My girlfriend, having previously discussed our preferences in movies where I told her I preferred more action than she did, called me into the conversation asking what the genre of movies like "Rambo" was called. I did not know but made up the term "action movie". Both her, and the writer literally burst in recognition of the appropriateness of the term. Shortly after that the term was widely used in publication. I say this for anyone who wants to research the coinage of the term to look in northern US publications mid 1980s for origin of the term.

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Orphaned references in Action film

I check pages listed in Category:Pages with incorrect ref formatting to try to fix reference errors. One of the things I do is look for content for orphaned references in wikilinked articles. I have found content for some of Action film's orphans, the problem is that I found more than one version. I can't determine which (if any) is correct for this article, so I am asking for a sentient editor to look it over and copy the correct ref content into this article.

Reference named "lim":

• From Vigilante film: Lim, Dennis (October 19, 2009). "Revenge, our cinematic tradition". Los Angeles Times.
• From Taxi Driver: Lim, Dennis (October 19, 2009). "Vigilante films, an American tradition". Los Angeles Times. Archived from the original on December 8, 2015. Retrieved December 6, 2015.

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