Talk:Battle of Algiers (1956–1957)

Possible issue with terminology

I am debating making a change to the page. It refers to the belligerents as French vs Muslim. The latter is inaccurate; it was a nationalistic movement, with elements of religion but largely the purpose was independence in a nationalistic sense. To describe one side as Muslim is needless. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Coldwayz (talk • contribs) 11:31, 9 October 2020 (UTC)

• Your description of the FLN as a nationalistic rather than religious movement is accurate but removal of "Muslim" from the article does create a problem. Most of the pied noirs had been born in Algeria and many of their families had been there for generations. Only about one in five were of actual French origin (the remainder were of Italian, Jewish, Spanish, Maltese and other descent). Accordingly historians normally use the generic terms Muslim and European (or pied noir) to distinguish the two major categories of inhabitant of pre-independence Algeria. Another complication is that the oldest indigenous population of Algeria are Kabyles or Berbers - who like their Arab compatriots are almost exclusively Muslim. In the context of the pre-1962 society it is not a simple case of "Algerian" and "French".Buistr (talk) 15:47, 9 October 2020 (UTC) 
  • I agree with Buistr. Mztourist (talk) 03:46, 10 October 2020 (UTC)
    • But then you have a question- of what does it mean when a native movement removes a colonial power? For example, the Vietnamese also removed the French, despite being there for about the same time. And yet, when you read the page on the first Indochina War, you'll note that it's quite different- the political ideologies are barely mentioned, and it's described as a nationalistic movement ~~Coldwayz~~ — Preceding unsigned comment added by Coldwayz (talk • contribs) 15:28, 19 October 2021 (UTC)

source about full algerian victory

https://books.google.dz/books?id=ORFBAAAAIAAJ&dq=Battle%20of%20Algiers%201957&hl=ar&pg=PA51#v=onepage&q=Battle%20of%20Algiers%201957&f=false 41.102.22.191 (talk) 20:03, 26 September 2022 (UTC)

The source you provide above only bolsters support for a FLN victory at the battle. If you want to add something to the article that discusses the aftermath and that the book source above points out that the FLN victory was worthless because the French government was pressured into dismantling its army in Algiers which, in turn, allowed the Algerians to rebuild their forces, well, then do that but removing an inline citation from an article that supoorts the statement being made is a violation of Wikipedia policy. The removal is not properly explained in your edit summaries. --ARoseWolf 20:15, 26 September 2022 (UTC)