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Huali a marque, or..? Jun

Looking to nail down exactly what is Huali, as I clean up this article. Does anyone know?

Variously:

On FAW Group Jiaxing is described as "formerly Huali" and "a brand of Tianjin FAW Xiali Automobile Company".
And later, FAW Huali (Tianjin) Automobile Co Ltd (presumably now FAW Xiali?) is described as "A joint venture with Tianjin Automotive Industry (Group) Co Ltd that, since 2003,[37] has manufactured Daihatsu models sold under the brand name Dario."
Meanwhile, the page Huali describes that "All products were sold under the FAW-Jiaxing brand from 2008." but....
[archived page] describes the Happy Messenger as a FAW Jiaxing as far back as 2004, noting that "FAW Huali Sales Company is responsible for sales"
And also, Tianjin FAW shows a mix of Tianjin, Huali, and Xiali cars at least all the way back as the mid 1980s.

What is/was Huali? What is the exact relationship between Tianjin FAW, Huali, Xiali, Jiaxing, Dario, and Junpai? No coffee, please. (talk) 06:20, 8 September 2021 (UTC)[reply]

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SASAC is not a company

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Infinity 0: “SASAC is more than an administration agency and supervisory body.”

Unless you back that up with sources that is original research which is not allowed on wikipedia.

Infinity 0: “According to PRC Law on State-Owned Assets, Article 15 stipulates the SASAC’s responsibilities of the investor of state-owned assets. Article 16 stipulates the rights of the investor of state-owned assets. Article 22 stipulates that the SASAC, as the state-owned assets supervision and administration agency of the State Council, shall exercise investor rights in accordance with the law”

“Article 15 The institution performing the functions of a contributor shall be accountable to the people’s government at the corresponding level, report on its performance of the said functions to the said people’s government, accept supervision and assessment by the government, and be responsible for maintaining and increasing the value of State-owned assets.“[1]http://www.npc.gov.cn/zgrdw/englishnpc/Law/2011-02/15/content_1620615.htm

It stipulates administrative duties. No mentions of SASAC being shareholders. The state is the shareholder and SASAC is not a corporate entity. It is just an administrative and supervisory body because its duties are to administer and supervise. It may perform the responsibilities of an investor, but it is not an investor because it doesn't own anything. It is again, not a corporate entity. A holding company by definition has to own its subsidiaries.

“Article 16 The State-invested enterprises shall enjoy the rights to possess, use, benefit from and dispose of their movables, immovables and other property according to laws, administrative regulations and the articles of association of the enterprises. The decision-making power on their business operations as well as other lawful rights and interests legally enjoyed by State-invested enterprises shall be protected by law.”[2]http://www.npc.gov.cn/zgrdw/englishnpc/Law/2011-02/15/content_1620615.htm

How is this pertinent the question of SASAC being listed as a parent company? It doesn't even mention SASAC.

“Article 22 The institution performing the functions of a contributor shall, according to the provisions of laws and administrative regulations and of the articles of association of the enterprise, appoint or remove, or suggest the appointment or removal of, the following personnel of a State-invested enterprise: (1) appointing or removing the president, vice-presidents, persons in charge of financial affairs and other senior managers of a wholly State-owned enterprise; (2) appointing or removing the chairman or vice-chairmen of the board of directors, directors, chairman of the board of supervisors, or supervisors of a wholly State-owned company; and (3) proposing candidate for the director or supervisor to the assembly or general assembly of shareholders of a State-owned-capital holding company or State-owned-capital joint stock company. In a State-invested enterprise representatives of the employees shall serve as the directors or supervisors, who shall be elected democratically by the employees according to the relevant provisions of laws and administrative regulations.”[3]http://www.npc.gov.cn/zgrdw/englishnpc/Law/2011-02/15/content_1620615.htm

Again, irrelevant. 1) It says “performing the functions of a contributor shall...” not “shall perform the functions of a contributor/investor“ there is a difference. 2) That still doesn't make it a corporate entity nor a holding company for SOEs. Andro611 (talk) 00:14, 10 April 2023 (UTC)[reply]