Talk:Fraxinetum

Maps

I'd like a modern map of the area and an ancient Arab map where it is shown as an island. --Error (talk) 01:16, 13 November 2018 (UTC)

The article is very messy

I have made many amendments to the article and I want to add some information because it is insufficient and few and some of it is very wrong Sarazxs123 (talk) 04:35, 17 March 2021 (UTC)

I have reverted your edits as not improvements. Please explain what exactly is "messy" and what is "wrong". The article is not complete—most of Wikipedia isn't—but I do not see how it is messy and its sourcing is good. Srnec (talk) 02:24, 18 March 2021 (UTC)

Fraxinetum an "Arab Umayyad state"?

The source used for this edit says that the Umayyads established a base in Fraxinetum from which raids were mounted, not that Fraxinetum itself was a state. As such, the source does not support the edit.

The source also uses the word "Arab" throughout (even in its title: "Arab warship") for military actions carried out by Muslims, some of whom were not Arabs (such as in the case of the Umayyad armies, which contained many Berbers). It really shows that the author of the source, Angus Konstam (who seems to be more of a popular history writer anyway), is not an arabist, who would never make such a mistake. As such, Konstam's book is not a reliable source in this context, and should not be used here. ☿ Apaugasma (talk ☉) 18:12, 21 February 2022 (UTC)

Map

@Userd898: That map has no sourcing. Although it may have value, I think its legend is untrustworthy. Srnec (talk) 02:11, 1 March 2023 (UTC)

The map looks highly dubious to me, especially as it implies that Fraxinetum held a corridor through the alps for a whole generation, and that they settled/controlled Saint Gallen from 930 to 960: I think the map author may have exaggerated "infrequently raided territories" into "zones if control". --Enyavar (talk) 17:00, 1 March 2023 (UTC)

Removed the unsourced map. Before we can add a map like this at the very least we need the metadata at File:Fraxinetum.png to give the precise sources on which it is based. ☿ Apaugasma (talk ☉) 19:46, 1 March 2023 (UTC)

@Petarrc13, Apaugasma, and Enyavar:, Have you looked at the sources now provided by Userd898 at commons:File:Fraxinetum.png? Here are links to pdfs of the two articles on JSTOR. You may need to have access via the Wikipedia Library in order to view them, so check there if these don't open for you. I am searching through them now:

• The Arab Presence in France and Switzerland in the 10th Century
• The Arab/Muslim Presence in Medieval Central Europe

Eric ^talk 17:55, 2 March 2023 (UTC)