Talk:Qantas

Structure of Article and Questionable "facts"

Relative newcomer to Wikipedia editing here... Have a few thoughts about this article. It's a shame this article has had a "cleanup" tag on it since 2014, although having read it I can kind of see why. I'm happy to spend some time on the article, re-writing parts of it and finding sources, although that'd be time wasted if its all just reverted :) Hence putting this out there for to see if there is any strong opinions either way first :)

Article Structure

I've spent some time looking around other airline articles. It seems the Qantas article is a little 'out of sync' in places.

Some possible changes:

• Rearrange the headings under corporate affairs a little. Logically Headquarters would seem to come before 'Business Trends' which is something in other articles that is lower on the list under 'corporate affairs'
• Consider moving the 'Promotional Activities' out under its own level 1 heading similar to the Air New Zealand article. Some of their more notable campaigns and marketing initiatives could be expanded upon in this article
• Consider a 'Corporate Identity' level 1 heading as per American Airlines. The article seems to be missing a logo overview as seems to be common for many other airlines - any particular reason why it shouldn't be added? The content about uniforms could be moved under a corporate identity section as well?
• Qantas Frequent Flyer. This could perhaps be renamed loyalty, with QFF coming under a sub-heading and some of the other loyalty division initiatives could be expanded upon - such as their acquisition of data analytics firms?
• Qantas Club. This should perhaps be renamed lounges as per some other airline articles. The Qantas Club is the lowest level of domestic lounge. There is also the domestic business lounge, international business and international first lounges. Some other airline articles break them up, some don't. It's arguably not quite correct to suggest the entire lounge network comes under the banner of the 'Qantas Club', however.
• Airline Incidents. Add a 'Controversy' level 1 heading as is common in other airline articles and break off the content that is currently in 8.2-8.5 to that heading.

Current fleet size

Which website is a reliable source of fleet size? Reference number 93 94 can’t see the fleet size number.

747 flypast

747-400ER (VH-OEE) performing a flypast over Sydney at the end of what is likely to be the final commercial flight by a Qantas 747, on 29 March 2020

The above image has been removed, twice. The first time the edit summary was "QANTAS has not retired the 747. Stop Posting."; I restored with a citation (as seen above), and the edit summary "Restored with source - and you don't need to remove the image if you disagree with the caption"; it was removed again with the edit summary "No need for the image".

That's not how Wikipedia works.

References

-- Andy Mabbett (Pigsonthewing); Talk to Andy; Andy's edits 16:00, 30 March 2020 (UTC)

"Likely to be" is pure speculation. I suggest removing the image per WP:CRYSTAL.--Jetstreamer ^Talk 16:07, 30 March 2020 (UTC)

Jetstreamer Please cite the part of WP:CRYSTAL that mandates the removal of images; or indeed text such as that as in this example. Andy Mabbett (Pigsonthewing); Talk to Andy; Andy's edits 17:38, 30 March 2020 (UTC)

"Dates are not definite until the event actually takes place, as even notable events can be cancelled or postponed at the last minute by a major incident." That said, "Likely to be" marks it has not been definite. The caption is at least misleading. If showing a Qantas 747 aircraft is the main intention I suggest changing the caption.--Jetstreamer ^Talk 18:24, 30 March 2020 (UTC)

So nothing in WP:CRYSTAL mandates the removal of images; and yet the image has again been removed, citing exactly that page; and we agree that no claim that a "date" is "definite" is made. I also note that WP:CRYSTAL also includes "It is appropriate to report discussion and arguments about ... whether some development will occur, if discussion is properly referenced." and "Predictions, speculation, forecasts and theories stated by reliable, expert sources or recognized entities in a field may be included" Andy Mabbett (Pigsonthewing); Talk to Andy; Andy's edits 19:27, 30 March 2020 (UTC)

@Pigsonthewing: Please take everything in what Wikipedia is NOT into consideration here. Wikipedia is an encyclopaedia and encyclopaedias deal with long standing and well established details - not things that may turn out to be true (this is the main tenor of WP Crystal). The 747 gone idea is possible but far from established. Qantas announced that they were grounding their A380s a month or so ago and they have been flying almost daily to the US over the last week or so. When you read advice in the Wikipedia help pages it is important to realise that the help given is rarely prescriptive, it gives examples of the sort of things that are necessary to buld a sensible reliable encyclopaedia. Please do not expect the answer to be written in black and white and if it does not specifically answer the question you have say "well that is OK then and do it anyway" that is not how it works. Andrewgprout (talk) 23:48, 30 March 2020 (UTC)

OK, I've taken "everything in what Wikipedia is NOT into consideration". None of it mandates the removal of an image such as this and none of it mandates the removal of text such as that used in its caption. Would you now like to take into consideration the quotes from WP:CRYSTAL, which I gave above? Andy Mabbett (Pigsonthewing); Talk to Andy; Andy's edits 10:12, 31 March 2020 (UTC)

The source you referenced is not reliable and has been contradicted by many other, more reputable sites. The image isn't really relavent what purpose does it serve, none. It doesn't inform anyone. It would be more fitting for the image, if they had have been retired , which they have not to be placed in the Qantas History Article IMO.--Life200BC (talk) 10:36, 31 March 2020 (UTC)

There are plenty of other reliable, sites saying th same thing. No contradictory reliable site has been cited. The image is highly relevant. Andy Mabbett (Pigsonthewing); Talk to Andy; Andy's edits 10:45, 31 March 2020 (UTC)

https://simpleflying.com/qantas-747-parking/ https://www.executivetraveller.com/news/qantas-boeing-747-retired All indicating that they have not being retired despite rumors suggesting otherwise. Until QANTAS announces that they have retired the planes i suggest that this speculative image and caption not be posted. If QANTAS does retire the Queen I believe that this would be a fitting addition.--Life200BC (talk) 10:58, 31 March 2020 (UTC)

It's unclear why you believe your sources (one of which says "What could be the last flight of a Qantas Boeing 747 took place on Sunday afternoon...", the other itself speculative) more reliable than the one I gave above; but as I said other reliable sources also support the claim in my caption text. And in any case, if your sources are correct, it neither mandates the removal of the image nor precludes a change to its caption. The image is not speculative - do you dispute that the aircraft conducted a flyby over Sydney? Why do you think that was? Why do you not think that event worthy of mention? Andy Mabbett (Pigsonthewing); Talk to Andy; Andy's edits 11:05, 31 March 2020 (UTC)

The sources which I refer to have talked to QANTAS. The one you have has not and is purely speculative. No sources have QANTAS saying they have retired the 747. QANTAS has done many flybys. The reason behind this could be insignificant, such as being the last international flight to Sydney before the grounding of QFI. A flyby isn't really relavent to a section of this article and doesn't add anything to it. If QANTAS does retire the 747 and this turns out to be the last commercial flight this image should be posted. Until then I believe it is irrelavent and speculative without a reliable source, which isn't contradicted by the owner.-Until QANTAS themselves announces that they have been retired this image should not be included.-Life200BC (talk) 11:14, 31 March 2020 (UTC)

Are we still pretending this didn't happen? Andy Mabbett (Pigsonthewing); Talk to Andy; Andy's edits 22:27, 9 July 2020 (UTC)

Qantas fleet

I was wondering about to export Qantas current fleet and Qantas livery in to Qantas fleet page as per Wikipedia splitting there must be atleast 77k bytes but the article size is 150k splitting neededKtdk (talk) 13:23, 16 June 2020 (UTC)

Moving sections from Qantas to Qantas fleet

I think that details about Qantas' fleet would fit better in that article like liveries and products on the aircraft. I therefore propose that they get moved to that page --Life200BC (talk) 03:47, 20 September 2020 (UTC)

London Heathrow to be added to focus cities

Qantas has a flight from perth to london is planning to expand its flights to London from Melbourne, Sydney and Brisbane and this is one of their primary goals NotOrrio (talk) 04:45, 24 November 2022 (UTC)

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Qantas Mayday and redirect 2023?

Hi, not sure how to edit airline articles but can someone add these to the article?

mayday call:

https://www.theguardian.com/business/2023/jan/19/qantas-flight-from-sydney-to-fiji-forced-to-turn-back-after-potential-mechanical-issue

https://www.abc.net.au/news/2023-01-19/qantas-mayday-sydney-airport-auckland-aviation/101869928

https://www.9news.com.au/national/qantas-flight-mayday-call-passengers-no-idea-until-landing/d0cf8bb1-bc9e-46a2-891d-d7981dce927f

mechanical issue:

https://www.theguardian.com/business/2023/jan/19/qantas-flight-from-sydney-to-fiji-forced-to-turn-back-after-potential-mechanical-issue Helpingpeopleyay (talk) 06:26, 19 January 2023 (UTC)

Nobody was hurt in either of those incidents. Neither plane suffered damage. Despite some parts of the media making a meal out of them, I don't think they belong in the article. HiLo48 (talk) 06:35, 19 January 2023 (UTC)

Ok. Thanks for telling! Helpingpeopleyay (talk) 21:59, 19 January 2023 (UTC)

Disturbing Page Preview

When hovering over the link to this page I noticed that the image appears to be of an animal dissection or something similar. I'm not an editor here but it seemed like someone should probably change it. 2A02:C7C:CAAE:5A00:6867:8706:4A2C:72BA (talk) 15:14, 29 March 2023 (UTC)

Please be more specific. Which link? Cheers, Cl3phact0 (talk) 21:50, 29 March 2023 (UTC)