User talk:86.5.202.27

December 2022

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March 2023

Hello, I'm Miner Editor. I noticed that you added or changed content in an article, Sami Yusuf, but you didn't provide a reliable source. It's been removed and archived in the page history for now, but if you'd like to include a citation and re-add it, please do so. You can have a look at referencing for beginners. If you think I made a mistake, you can leave me a message on my talk page. YouTube is not a reliable source. Miner Editor (talk) 15:18, 29 March 2023 (UTC)

Hi Minor.

Sorry I think you are the one mistaken. The reference attached is an Al Jazeera interview of Sami Yusuf stating in person, on video camera, on an official mainstream news that he is Sunni Muslim. I even gave the minute in the video when he stated his religion.

How can one not get more reliable then the person in question stating his religion on video camera for the world to see? Hence I am confused as to why you undid the edit.

All the best! 86.5.202.27 (talk) 15:32, 29 March 2023 (UTC)

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Thank you for not edit warring, and for your willingness to instead first discuss the matter. In the video, Yusef said he "embraced" Sunni. He does not say he IS "Sunni". Additionally, in the video Yousef is talking in the past tense, not the present tense. For such a non-trivial issue, there really should be a more solid source, in my opinion. These objections may seem to be a minor quibble, but on matters of religion in biographies of living people, Wikipedia requires impeccable sourcing, and that video is not enough for me.

Other editors may disagree, but I am not comfortable restoring your edit. You might want to start a discussion on the talk page for Sami Yousuf, or ask others at WP:RSN which is the "Reliable Sources Notice Board" where questions about the reliability, and appropriateness, of sources, can be discussed. Miner Editor (talk) 16:29, 29 March 2023 (UTC)

Hi Minor,

No worries about edit wars. They are just a waste of time, and a matter of ego.

I do think you are making this trivial matter bigger than it is. If someone was to embrace 'Sunni Islam', I would ask what does that clearly make them? For someone who's entire career is based of making Islamic music to this day, present/past tense is extremely trivial.

Also I again reiterate I am not sure what stronger evidence there is for a source if their is direct video of evidence of said person.

All the best 86.5.202.27 (talk) 22:45, 29 March 2023 (UTC)

I found this video https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3MAAf42XbAk&ab_channel=Spiritiquelover where someone asked him if he was Sunni or Shiaa and he answered it by saying he is "Hanafi" which is a Sunni school. Unlike the Al Jazeera video you linked, this video is on "Spiritiquelover's" YouTube channel, and cannot be considered reliable for use in Wikipedia. However, combine that, along with the Al Jazeera video you linked, combined with many, many other mentions on-line by members of the Muslim community of him being Sunni with no one disagreeing, and I am comfortable with Wikipedia saying he is Sunni, and with using the Al Jazeera video as the source. I will go ahead and restore it momentarily. Miner Editor (talk) 04:20, 30 March 2023 (UTC)