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Archiving

Note, everything up to December 2006 has been archived. Garrie 10:06, 1 January 2007 (UTC)

Just a suggestion for Roguelike sourcing

Hi Garrie,

I see in the AfD for Seven day roguelike that you're looking for items that meet WP:RS. I would suggest using google and combining Roguelike with big-name sources of gaming content like 1UP.com or IGN. Typically you'll find a few items for more esoteric subjects (like Roguelike) that will be less easily challenged as improper sourcing.

Just a thought I had which might help. Cheers, Lankybugger 01:00, 3 January 2007 (UTC)

(Responding from my Talk page)

No worries, believe me when I say I understand your feelings precisely. Recently an article on the Metroidvania genre which I was extensively involved in editing was deleted due to an AfD. Good luck with the sourcing. I'd also suggest dropping by this page (a potential Wikipedia policy in the process of being approved) and weighing in with your support for or against it. The gist of it, as I understand things to be right now, is a seperate deletion process for bad articles (like hoaxes and such) and articles which merely lack sources (perhaps such as the Seven day roguelike, though I've had no luck finding sources for it). The articles which lack sources would, under this policy, have a much longer lead time until deletion (specifically, a fourteen day lead time) which would allow a greater chance for unsourced articles to be properly researched and corrected.

Just a thought, ignore it if you like.

Cheers, Lankybugger 05:12, 3 January 2007 (UTC)

Precisely. Essentially the process here is designed not to get rid of articles without sourcing, but to give editors more time to work with the article to bring it up to par. It also seperates those articles which lack sourcing which might otherwise be made useful due to editors with a dedication to the subject from those which have been created and then subsequently abandoned. Lankybugger 05:23, 3 January 2007 (UTC)

As regards 1UP.com, this article would be a legitimate source. 1UP.com is owned by Ziff Davis and is also doubles as the host for online aspects in Electronic Gaming Monthly. The man who wrote the article I linked, Jeremy Parish, is the features editor for the site (and thus he passes by default). Lankybugger 05:25, 3 January 2007 (UTC)

Ah, I see what you mean. Yes, this is somewhat true. However, there are plenty of articles (especially on 1UP.com) which are dedicated to non-commercial games. Just as an example (though it doesn't have any Roguelikes I could see), 1UP.com's Freeloader series of articles was dedicated specifically to free games online. There are others, as well. Lankybugger 05:52, 3 January 2007 (UTC)

Mulesing is now WP:ACOTF

Hi. You voted for Mulesing, which has been selected as Australian collaboration. Please help to improve it in any way you can. Thanks. --Scott Davis ^Talk 12:14, 7 January 2007 (UTC)

• Damn, having voted I suppose I should contribute... having reviewed available material I dunnot what else to add!Garrie 20:11, 7 January 2007 (UTC)

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• I haven't tried getting in contact with the group, and I'd be a little reluctant to do the liasing. Would you like to do it? Andjam 09:50, 9 January 2007 (UTC)

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• Sorry I'm new to editing Wiki and missed the reference to Tri-solven in the methods section.

I must have forgotten to remove the reference request after inserting the link to the permit. I may edit the entry to indicate that Tri-solven isn't registered, only permitted for minor use. Dunhill BKK 07:44, 23 January 2007 (UTC)

Response at User talk:Dunhill BKKGarrie 05:01, 23 January 2007 (UTC)

The AVA article may refer to the use of products, however, I'm pointing out that the product has not been registered for use. To become registered the product would have to overcome a significant shortfall in metabolism data, considering the new actives included in the product that are currently not registered for use in any food producing animals. The permit scheme is supposed to allow for minor use, and this may be a broad consideration of minor use for the current permit. Dunhill BKK 01:08, 24 January 2007 (UTC)

Wrestling

CANNON The slam publication is not a wrestling publication, it is a canadian sports publication. And from what I understand its owned by Calgary Sun, so the article as it appears is the Calgary Sun version. JN322 15:42, 8 January 2007 (UTC)

Replie on user talk pageGarrie 00:05, 9 January 2007 (UTC)

Thanks for advice & welcome

Garrie, I much appreciate you response to my first contribution. I must say, getting the hang of this environment isn't all straightforward, but your suggestions have been spot on. One bit of further advice would be great. Is there some way to save work on a developing article as you go? I just had the disagreeable experience of loosing the lot by swithing to another page before saving. The only thing I can think of is to produce the piece in a word processor & then paste it - but there must be a better way. Cheers, john —The preceding unsigned comment was added by JohnHarmonPrice (talk • contribs) 00:51, 9 January 2007 (UTC).

sandbox

Garrie, that sounds about right. I'll give t a go. Thanks. JohnHarmonPrice 01:23, 9 January 2007 (UTC)John

Robert Cotton

Thanks--Grahamec 06:14, 10 January 2007 (UTC)

Thanks very much! It's nice to know my stuff actually gets read sometimes. :) Rebecca 07:09, 10 January 2007 (UTC)

Laurie Lawrence

I have now added the information you requested for the birthdate of Laurie Lawrence.

You could have asked me for the information with more courtesy than you did, and I am not impressed that, while you criticised me for not adding the information in the first instance, you did not bother taking the time, or effort, to say thank you to me for creating the article in the first place.

On a final note, the information you asked for is not required when adding birthdates to biographical articles on Wikipedia (check biographical articles if you do not believe me). Figaro 23:56, 10 January 2007 (UTC)

Thanks for the tips

Thanks for your pointers on my questions on schools and family articles. I should have known there would be a guideline for school listings. My instinct that reliable and verifiable sources was a key to inclusion seems to have been good. --Pigman^{talk • contribs} 05:32, 12 January 2007 (UTC)

Mulesing

Ok. I'll remove the PETA reference. Prester John 18:16, 12 January 2007 (UTC)

I find it offensive that you removed a true statement while claiming that it was impossible to verify. It took me 3 mins to find a reference. Wikipedia is a project commited to truth. If you want to pursue partisan politics you really should be focusing your energies elsewhere. Prester John 05:15, 14 January 2007 (UTC)

Replied on User talk:Prester John#mulesingGarrie 00:42, 15 January 2007 (UTC)

Wikipedia:As of

I saw Wikipedia:Help_desk#As_of_-_template_or_similar.3F late. See Wikipedia:As of. PrimeHunter 02:11, 14 January 2007 (UTC)

2000 Sydney Olympics Opening Ceremony

If you would like help with this information, perhaps you might like to say 'please' to me. Also, you might like to show me the courtesy of telling me exactly how I am supposed to fill in the 'people' requirement for the DVD, and where I am supposed to put the verification templates. Perhaps it might be best if I scan the back covers of both the DVD and CD covers, for Wikipedia, so that you can fill in the required information, yourself — after all, you know exactly what you want to achieve with regard to both of them.

As you made a reference to The Goodies' episode, A Kick in the Arts, I would like to comment that the word you edited was actually intended to be "disappearing" (unfortunately, through tiredness,I accidentally omitted to add the word 'been' before "disappearing", when I was writing the plot). Anyway, I have decided to leave the word as "disappeared", as it now stands. Figaro 09:54, 16 January 2007 (UTC)

My response is at User talk:Figaro#2000 Summer Olympics Opening CeremonyGarrie 22:21, 16 January 2007 (UTC)

Thank you for writing and explaining. I appreciate it very much. I will try to do the best that I can with regard to verifying the information in both of the articles. All the best. Figaro 22:46, 16 January 2007 (UTC)

Re:

You welcome :) and I thank you for a nice article you created. - Darwinek 22:42, 16 January 2007 (UTC)

Copyright

(re: John Carne Bidwill) The site from which you got this is not clear. It says that most of the books on the Australian project Gutenberg are in the public domain, but not that the dictionary of biography is. Is it? In addition, if it is, you simply must note that the text is copied from the other site, or the article incorporates text from the other site. However, your interpretation of what Bidwill did is incorrect, he did NOT publish the name, William Jackson Hooker did, that's why the plant is called Araucaria bidwillii Hook.. The "Hook." is the botanical authority abbreviation for the author who published about the plant in the London Journal of Botany naming it Araucaria bidwillii, namely Hooker published an article naming the plant after Bidwill. KP Botany 00:19, 17 January 2007 (UTC) As mentioned on KP's talk page:

WP:ADB indicates the Dictionary of Australian Biography is public domain... I took their word for it.

From Project Gutenberg of Australia

Project Gutenberg of Australia produces books in electronic form (ebooks) which are freely available to the public. These ebooks may be read on a computer using a simple text editor or viewer. The books are in the 'public domain' and all have been prepared by volunteers. More than 20,000 other ebooks are available from our sister site Project Gutenberg in the United States.

Hope this clears the copyright issue up. Garrie 01:30, 17 January 2007 (UTC)

If you read the Project Gutenberg Australia page carefully, the statement you quote appears to apply to "ebooks in the public domain." So, go click on this, the first link on their page and search for Serle's Dictionary of Australian Biography. And it's not there, so it appears this is NOT a book in the public domain according to their website. Wikipedia wants you to err on the side of caution when it comes to copyright infringements, so, until you can find something clearly putting this in the public domain, it really should come down. KP Botany 02:35, 17 January 2007 (UTC)

Back to User talk:KP Botany for my reply. I disagree - see Project Gutenberg of Australia - licenceGarrie 04:05, 17 January 2007 (UTC)

Sounds good to me. KP Botany 14:34, 17 January 2007 (UTC)

Good thorough checking on the copyright issues, by the way--this makes it much easier for everyone. I will check my Stern to see if you can add the list of plants named after him that Hesperian provided. KP Botany 14:20, 18 January 2007 (UTC)

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You're welcome. KP Botany invited me to have a look. I did some copyediting; then, thinking that KP Botany had written the page, I left some other feedback on his/her talk page. You might like to have a look. Hesperian 22:48, 18 January 2007 (UTC)

Glad to see it put to use. I'm not precious about my user subspace, so feel free to add links to material of the same ilk. Hesperian 23:01, 18 January 2007 (UTC)

You can also just bookmark Hesperian's sources page. I find it useful any time I need to look up something Aussia botany, and I'm also too lazy to make my own, plus I once created a sandbox or two and never could find them again. Yes, Bidwill's the only, so I'm formatting a list of plants named after him from IPNI and will post it today, italicized, and linked, I didn't include authorities, as many are complex. Someone will need to column or table it as appropriate. I will post it on the article's talk page. KP Botany 22:11, 19 January 2007 (UTC)

Special:Wanted pages

I'm not sure if you turned this off or not... you're in the history of the page...

Do you know what's going on here? I know that there seemed to be a problem with templates making the numbers wrong. Seems to me the simple solution is to only incude links from article space - even if the link is from a template in article space it probably reflects real need for the article, rather than project bloating figures through templates in talk-space (which aren't so regulated).Garrie 23:31, 16 January 2007 (UTC)

Actually, Special:Wantedpages was turned off by the developers, along with other special pages, including Special:Doubleredirects, to the great dismay of many. Nothing we can do now about changing it until we get the developers to turn it back on! :-) —Mets501 (talk) 00:20, 17 January 2007 (UTC)

I just asked User:Tim Starling on IRC why they were shut down and he said "because it was taking too long to regenerate", and about it coming back on in the future, he said " I don't know" "it's a very expensive service to provide, apparently". —Mets501 (talk) 00:27, 17 January 2007 (UTC)

Ornithology stubs

Please excuse me butting in - I believe that stubs of organisations - that are relative to ornithology and conservation groups are notable - regardless - and are quite different from local historical societies - as they in most cases are national - and have had significant positions and activities in the general history of australia and conservation issues as well. Excuse the butting in! SatuSuro 03:46, 19 January 2007 (UTC)

Thanks for pointing that out - its a good guide to starting arts in general - I am concerned that the status of conversation and scientific organisations in australia in wp australia seems to lack the numbers of editors with fervour and passion that some other subjects have dedicated to them - and I feel a need to support what might seem obscure at first - but which develop into the great grid of what constitutes the rich fabric of living in our strange continent (dont ask me to define it though - the current debates on australia/contintent plate etc leave me sort of very tired and wanting to tag indonesian islands stubs again... :( SatuSuro 04:03, 19 January 2007 (UTC)

Thanks Garrie and SatuSuro for comments. Appreciated, and basically agreed with. Yes I do find it much simpler to continue a discussion to the page it starts on, and I may make further comment there. Cheers. Maias 04:39, 19 January 2007 (UTC)

Eglinton

Thanks for that - I'll review the pre-settlement section tomorrow evening and main to Mooro (which I can add any missing information to). Pipidinny Swamp is actually located in Eglinton, so I'll keep that part, but broadly I agree with the discussion you pointed me to - that if we did every suburb like this it would be utterly pointless. Orderinchaos78 10:58, 19 January 2007 (UTC)

Have reworded the History section to take account of the discussion. The Aboriginal section now includes one sentence which introduces the Aboriginal involvement, then a more extended version of the Pipidinny Swamp part of the crocodile legend. I decided the heritage trail bit actually belonged under early European settlement, so reworded it and moved it to that section. It's always good getting outside feedback because I didn't immediately notice anything wrong with it when reviewing it before requesting assessment. Orderinchaos78 12:11, 19 January 2007 (UTC)

I actually agree with you, it's more trying to figure out how to represent it. Basically the Swan River runs through Perth, and the Moore River is beyond Perth's northern frontier (kind of like the Parramatta and Hawkesbury re Sydney I guess), and the Mooro moved across that region and inland to the Darling Range. Perth is essentially fairly flat, and about 4km inland for most of the above distance there is a chain of lakes and swamps that runs parallel to the coast. It seems they mostly lived along the edges of these, and Pipidinny Swamp in Eglinton was not only one of these but was part of their tribe's creation story. The Yaberoo-Budjara PDF describes the story but I also found a closer-to-the-source telling of it in a book at the State Library [1], and the 40,000 is pretty solid against two sources - Neville Green (1979; 1984) [2] [3] and R.K.Brittain (1990) [4] - I have to get page numbers and full references for those, and will probably do so on Monday. Sylvia Hallam (1991) also did some work on it but it was largely derivative from Brittain- the Hallam work has been republished as a chapter in a local history book about the City of Wanneroo [5]. Putting it all here is no excuse for it not being in the article, by the way, and it shall be put in as soon as I can think of a non-intrusive way to do so. Just thought I'd let you see what I have as, not being close to it, you may see something blindingly obvious that isn't coming to me. Thanks for your work and comments to date on this. Orderinchaos78 15:24, 20 January 2007 (UTC)

RE. Eastern Creek

I don't understand what u are asking i didn't write anything about up coming events i only added a template and time zone into the template if you could clear up your query it would be great cheers Bnsbeaver 10:05, 21 January 2007 (UTC)

Barnstar & ESR Line Article

Thanks for the Barnstar seconding, and thank you for the comments on the article. They were very helpful. I'm going to nominate this article for FA status; hopefully it will pass or else bring up some ways I can make the article better. JROBBO 10:21, 21 January 2007 (UTC)

Hi Garrie, I was wondering if you could make any comments or suggestions on the Eastern Suburbs & Illawarra Railway line FAC (see here); you commented on the peer review for the article, so you may like to do so on the FAC now. Thanks for any help you can give. JROBBO 11:46, 24 January 2007 (UTC)

Sorry

Hey Garrie, Sorry for the late reply to the message yea I know it told as Sydney may be you can go and edit it and change it too. I took the help of cattelGirl to create it. So you better check it with her.rencin24

Palm Island, Queensland Australian Collaboration of the Fortnight

Hi Garrie, you recently edited and showed an interest in proper referencing being brought to the Palm Island article, I share this desire for better referencing in Wikipedia. You might (or might not) :) be interested to know that Palm has become the latest Australian Collaboration of the Fortnight, the work you did to help out with Mulesing was great and I'm hoping to recruit you to help out with Palm. Particularly to help out with referencing and links. Thanks, Alec ^{-(answering machine)} 08:00, 22 January 2007 (UTC)

Hi Garrie, I have access through our local library to a searchable on-line media monitor, I would like to copy full text articles over to a sandbox under the scope of either my user name or the Palm Island article. All these articles are obviously copywrited and it would be a breach of that copywrite to publish them Verbatim into the Palm Island article, however I would like to know if that would apply to a temporary sandbox. The idea would be for me to copy articles to a sandbox which myself and all the other editors who are working on the Palm Island Collaboration can use as information sources (and then reference the information as being from the original article). I will also ask Mattinbgn. Thanks in advance for your thoughts! Alec ^{-(answering machine)} 04:11, 24 January 2007 (UTC)

Hey there. Personally I haven't had much trouble finding online news sources for Palm Island, I have back-referenced a fair bit of the 2004 riot and death-in-custody controversy section. Copyright is something to be very careful of. If you were to do it for one or two articles in your own user space, for a definate period of time, then that's one thing... personally I think you're better off saving to pc the relevant text. By all means, keep adding lists of online refs to talk pages. They are useful things in a lot of ways. But my verdict is, keep the copyright material on the host website. The other thing to bear in mind is, if you do what you are suggesting it may be quite difficult for other editors to correctly source the material they are using. ie if you copy the text but leave off ... the orig website, url, publisher, published date, authors name - then it is no longer verifiable information.

Don't over-estimate the number of ppl that will / are working on the article while it is ACOTF, either ;).Garrie 04:32, 24 January 2007 (UTC)

Thanks for the advice/reply, there's a lot online about recent events, I was more talking about feature stories about Palm and newspaper stories from when the death in custody and riots occurred and maybe even further back, I know the Townsville Bulletin have done some in depth features on Palm generally which are not published on-line, they are examples of material that I was talking about.

I take your point about being cautious when it comes to copywrite material! which is why I thought it best to gauge other's opinion on the issue. I will happily take your sage advice not to copy the text over but I will continue to use the media service myself to add info as I have done in several articles so far. all information about the author, who published it, what page and date it was published... are all provided by the media monitor, so I don't source a URL, I source the original document. Thanks, Alec ^{-(answering machine)} 05:00, 24 January 2007 (UTC)

Regards providing an URL - I have seen the same done in the past. Reference is to the paper-based publication (publisher, location, date/issue number etc) but a URL is provided - just if you try to access the URL you need to log in. There is no problem in providing such a URL - any subscriber can verify the validity. It's like referring to a show that's on cable TV, or a book that's only held in the Parlimentary Library in Canberra / Brisbane - just because it's not easy to verify, doesn't mean the information isn't useful to someone trying to verify the info.

But if you're putting the URL, make sure you include the access date.Garrie 22:06, 24 January 2007 (UTC)

See also - Wikipedia talk:Citing sources#Subscription sites - basically, what I said.Garrie 22:34, 24 January 2007 (UTC)

Hi GarrieIrons, thank you for more sage advice. I will start using links straight away as recommended to demonstrate when and though what medium I accessed the source. Although I do think there is a bit of a distinction as I consider the online subscription service I am using as just a tool to find content which they reproduce on their site. I think the topic of discussion at Wikipedia talk:Citing sources#Subscription sites is more applicable to things like Crikey where original content is online though subscription. Whereas I am using the media monitor in a way that is more equivalent to using Google, as a research tool to find information about a topic faster and more efficiently, however the media monitor is not the copy write holder and only reproduces the content from the newspapers, it would be much easier for someone looking to verify sources to go to their local uni or state library and find the source using the citation rather than subscribing to the particular media monitor (one of many) that I am using. Food for thought. Alec ^{-(answering machine)} 23:44, 24 January 2007 (UTC)

PS please feel free to check out material I am drafting in my sandbox and let me know if there is anything additional you think I might modify in my wikipeding. I have only made it up to 2000 in The Australian so far :) Alec ^{-(answering machine)} 00:27, 25 January 2007 (UTC)

Happy anniversary, and thanks for all your help! Alec ^{-(answering machine)} 05:00, 25 January 2007 (UTC)

Hi GarrieIrons, I'm not sure I see the relationship between the Select Committee info and the other materials I have in the sandbox... why did you not just put the para straight into the main article? Not that I have any problem with the para and reference, just not sure why you've put it into a sandbox. Thanks, Alec ^{-(answering machine)} 05:18, 25 January 2007 (UTC)

Hi GarrieIrons, thanks for the positive contribution to my sandbox, I'm happy with it as is and have moved it to the main article for you, I don't see how it could cause an edit conflict, but then I haven't been following it too carefully, I will watch it and make sure it is not hard done by. As you suggested it would be a good idea for me to uploaded the info from my sandbox in sections and not in chunks so it is not confusing, will start doing so shortly and I will be as careful as possible when integrating the contents of my sandbox into the main article so as not to cause general chaos. Thanks, Alec ^{-(answering machine)} 05:36, 25 January 2007 (UTC)

Thank you for all your great contributions to the Palm Island article over the past couple of weeks during its term as the Collaboration, I think it’s amazing how much it has been improved to this point. It was probably at Stub level when we got into it, now I think it would be competitive for Good or A Class article and perhaps over the next few months it will get up to the standard of Feature.

There’s only one day left of it being the Collaboration so if we have any last ideas as to how it can be improved lets be bold and get into it now. But most of all I just wanted to thank you for all your work and help before it was finished. Thanks, Alec ^{-(answering machine)} 08:30, 3 February 2007 (UTC)

Re: Palm Island

No. Not what I was thinking. Not those photos either.--ZayZayEM 13:21, 24 January 2007 (UTC)

Forced image height

See my note on the Wikipedia:Village pump (technical) - Leonard G. 20:54, 24 January 2007 (UTC)

P. S. See more on the notes - some experiments are shown. Try using WWWxHHH, with w larger than that dictated by the image aspect ratio and height as desired. - Leonard G. 01:25, 25 January 2007 (UTC)

Cite news

Except there is no such paramteter as author in cite news--Grahamec 00:35, 25 January 2007 (UTC)

replied at User talk:Grahamec.Garrie 00:42, 25 January 2007 (UTC)

Not listed at Wikipedia:Citation templates--Grahamec 00:44, 25 January 2007 (UTC)

Wikibreak

Look at the top of the page please.Garr ie 04:35, 25 January 2007 (UTC)

Naaah, I'm back.Garrie 05:12, 1 February 2007 (UTC)

welcome back! hope your anniversary went well, Alec ^{-(answering machine)} 05:26, 1 February 2007 (UTC)

Uranquinty

Thanks for the message - I post my reply to your talk page as well, as follows .... The best I can do is to list the link that JROBBO himself provided which definitely shows that Uranquinty is still 'in use'. It is not about buying a ticket from Wagga to Uranquinty it is about buying a ticket from (say) Sydney to Uranquinty - so (do you like this evil grin?) we need someone to write a travel supplement in the Sydney Morning Herald. Still - with respect - saying the station is still in use and giving a reference to that fact as we have should be enough verification - god knows there are far worse verifications in other articles. If not - well it just is no skin of my nose - I don't care enough about train articles to get upset about the rules getting in the way of the facts. --VS ^{talk...images} 06:26, 1 February 2007 (UTC)

Riverina

Hi Garrie. Thanks for the feedback on the Riverina article. The ADF contribution to the Riverina economy is a very good idea and should certainly be included. As for Forest Hill and Kapooka, while both are in the Riverina, I would consider Forest Hill a suburb of Wagga Wagga (see Template:Wagga Wagga City) and my recollection of Kapooka (I spent some time at 1RTB when I was younger), is that while certainly not in Wagga, is more a defence housing complex than a town. While they should be mentioned in the article, I personally wouldn't think them suitable for the Riverina template. Of course these things come down to matters of opinion only. VirtualSteve has done most of the work with the template and may have a different opinion. Thanks again.--Mattinbgn/ ^talk 22:12, 1 February 2007 (UTC)

• I like your reminder to include defence into Riverina article also. Like Mattinbgn I spent a bit of time in Kapooka when I was a little younger also. Kapooka itself is also listed as an actual suburb of Wagga GNBof NSW I say actual because at only 8.71km from Wagga it is even closer than Forest Hill at 9.69kms and San Isadore also listed as a suburb of WW at 9.08km. In my own view when you pass Kapooka (south), Bomen (north) at 9.03kms, Forest Hill (east) and San Isadore (west) you have drawn a rough circle around the Wagga township. I say this because I have seen lists that include towns/localities as far as 51 kms away as suburbs when they are in fact areas within the council area. Hope that assists? --VS ^{talk...images} 22:58, 1 February 2007 (UTC)

Ariah Park common knowledge

Hi - saw your comment at Mattinbgn. I think a useful place to put such points is at the article talk page pending references being found. That way the info won't be lost and somebody can pursue it. Regards --Golden Wattle ^talk 22:43, 1 February 2007 (UTC)

Barmedman

My two cents - Ariah Park is in Temora Shire which is part of the Riverina. We have included Mirrool because it is literally at the edge of Coolamon, Temora and Bland Shire. However the vast majority of the Bland Shire is in Central West and Barmedman is 36 kms north west of Temora. In my view that is too far into the Central West.--VS ^{talk...images} 23:01, 1 February 2007 (UTC)

Australian category deletions

The category was listed (and still is actually) as being up for deletion, at Wikipedia:Australian_Wikipedians'_notice_board/AfD, which provides a sub-menu of the Australian Wikipedians' noticeboard. It might pay to add this noticeboard sub-page to your watchlist to keep abreast of future category deletion nominations. Australian categories nominated for deletion are added at this menu subpage rather than at Wikipedia:WikiProject Deletion sorting/Australia, which is primarily used for listing articles only. -- Longhair\^talk 02:56, 2 February 2007 (UTC)

As they say, there's no such thing as a silly question, and you learn something every day :) The subpage is somewhat hidden, but it's still able to be watchlisted for future deletion notifications. Quite a few use it. -- Longhair\^talk 02:13, 4 February 2007 (UTC)

Leyland Brothers is the new Australian Collaboration

Hi. In case you haven't noticed yet, Leyland Brothers has been selected as the new Australian collaboration. Please help to improve it any way you can. --Scott Davis ^Talk 11:34, 4 February 2007 (UTC)

AfD Westfield North Rocks etc.

I don't know much about the conflict involving Elonka, I'm just concentrating on what I can see is happening. I think the addition of a local tag was a reasonable step, but the removal of the tag without any improvement isn't particularly helpful. Likewise the prod tag may have been a reasonable step, but removing the subsequent redirect without improving the article isn't particularly helpful. I think one problem is that Rebecca seemingly made no attempt to improve the article so it at least asserted notability. Speaking generally it's frustrating to see no improvement to articles for months, then as soon as they are proposed for deletion the articles are significantly improved. One Night In Hackney 03:55, 9 February 2007 (UTC)

Re: The Moore you do...

Hey, I just checked out your article from New Articles (OZ). Gotta say, great article for an academic / lawyer.

Having said that - it's in "obvious" need of a copyedit to introduce some section headings and breaks in line with the MOS. Currently it sorta-kinda looks like you threw four different obits into the same article (I know you didn't but it's kind of how the three screenfuls in one section looks).

Having said all that, there are heaps of ppl around who can and do do copyedits, which are comparatively easy compared to doing the research and getting the info into the article. Well done! Is Society of Comparative Legisaltion worth creating as a redirect to British Institute ... ? I'm amazed that Corowa Conference is a redlink! Hey, when they took the second photo - was it the Old Law buiding then or did it get that name at a later date? I bet at some point it was just the Law Building. Then some bugger came and built the new Law Building, but people get sick of calling things New XXX (except, Newtown, because calling Nettown, Town, is just plain stupid!) Garrie 00:07, 12 February 2007 (UTC)

I typically don't include section breaks in most new biographical articles that I write, simply because most of them are merely cobbled together from the immediately available sources and so usually lack a thematic structure, instead being mainly chronological. Next chance I get to visit the library, I'll be able to get access to some better material to flesh the article out more; I'm hoping to get access to some reviews of his published work, for example.

As to the other points, the Society of Comparative Legislation was one of two bodies which merged to form The British Institute of International and Comparative Law, so a redirect wouldn't really be appropriate in this instance. As for the image, "Old Law building" is indeed the current name, it has had several others, because it was originally the only building in the University. I'm not entirely sure what it was called when Moore was around, but if you can find it out then it would be a good addition to the caption. --bainer (talk) 15:00, 12 February 2007 (UTC)

Cooks River Photos

Hi Garrie, I checked out Google Maps - Cooksriver2 is a photo taken towards Airport Drive - the yellow sculpture gives it away. Cooksriver1 is a photo taken from the northern bank of the river near the railway line, facing east towards the Princes Highway overbridge. Hope that helps. JROBBO 00:10, 14 February 2007 (UTC)

NewArtBot and deleted articles

I see what you mean. The articles certainly existed at the time the bot read them (it looks if certain keywords are in the article). The bot does not check if an article was deleted then it dumps the search results to its subpage. It only checks that an article was not already reported on the board. I can add the check that if it was deleted, but I am not sure it will help much.

Typically I run bot daily (overnightly) from my home, it needs about ~3h to process ~3000 new articles of the day. So the check would only catch articles deleted during a period less than 3h (3h for the newest articles, zero for the oldest article of the day). Alex Bakharev 05:22, 16 February 2007 (UTC)

Proposed Merger: August 2006

Hi!

I know this seems a bit overshot, but by any chance do you remember your proposal on the Westfield Shopping Centres? All the pages you had mentioned in your proposal have grown since then, with a lot of contribution on your part, great stuff! :> But not all of them are mentioned on List_of_Westfield_Group_shopping_centres_in_Australia. Could you add them in?

xCentaur | ☎ 20:47, 16 February 2007 (UTC)

Ah, you're right, I understand what you mean. About the first, between 'malls' and 'shopping centres', I'd say whichever is used more widely should hold the main article the other can be a re-direct. That seems to match with what you said about use in local dialect. The second bit, about having a ton of sub-standard articles, I feel thats just not right. I'd like to help out. Although I don't know much about Australia, I'm sure there must be some way I could pitch in? I completely agree with you - quality over quantity. xCentaur | ☎ 08:46, 17 February 2007 (UTC)

True, it is easy to mess with definitions...Ok, I'm gonna jump into this. Let me first read up a bit and understand how the pages are distributed right now, I'll work at putting it together asap. I've got exams on, so I might take a while to get back to you, but I'll check up with you about any major changes. Cheers! xCentaur | ☎ 08:29, 19 February 2007 (UTC)

Road transport in Australia is new WP:ACOTF

Hi Garrie. You voted for Road transport in Australia as Australian collaboration of the fortnight. It has been selected, please help to improve it in any way you can. --Scott Davis ^Talk 12:45, 18 February 2007 (UTC)

No worries. I don't remember to notify voters every week - it depends a bit on how my Sunday has been, and how late in the evening I remember to select a new ACOTF. Possibly also that I'm more conscientious for the ones I've voted for :-) I always put a note on the WP:AWNB though. I think it had several edits to the article last night before I reminded the voters anyway. --Scott Davis ^Talk 21:42, 18 February 2007 (UTC)

Reply

Usually, when warning a user for vandalism edits, you might want to start at level 1. Your use of level four was seemingly a bit too much, and in that case may have suggested a level 2. However, all people make mistakes when they start out, and this is trivial. For more info on vandal patrol, you might want to check out WP:CUV. --²¹⁰physicq (c) 04:49, 21 February 2007 (UTC)

your views on Wikipedia:Articles for deletion- Thuringowa lists

hi sorry to annoy you but can you please tell me why you want the 2 pages deleted ....the thing is the pages are a link from the main city of Thuringowa page and i moved these 2 parts of the main artical onto the pages in question to tidy up the main page, (just like a large number of other editers have done) so can you please tell of another way to do what i have done if my way is so wrong. thank you Thuringowacityrep 11:23, 23 February 2007 (UTC)

thank you for your reply, it will be easy for me to just put them back on the main page and give up, as i have seen a lot of other pages with less on it than my 2, so thank you for your thoughts and i will see how things go. Thuringowacityrep 12:03, 23 February 2007 (UTC)

Wikilinking

Thanks for the advice. I knew it worked with brackets, but didn't know it worked with commas. Cheers--Mattinbgn/ ^talk 12:46, 23 February 2007 (UTC)

Paluma

thanks for that info i will fix it up now, i was a bit worried that i may have done it wrong. thanks again Thuringowacityrep 01:07, 24 February 2007 (UTC)

Boinka, Victoria

Hi GarrieIrons - thanks for your comments. As you would have seen Boinka was not a hoax - in fact it has a rich history. (Actually I was quite happy with the article and its rich start). I take your point on not including it as a town - but if you have a look at the article again you will see that I had not done so - referring to it only as a locality and it is (again as is already posted on that page not within Mildura (it is 174km from that City). To the point of whether localities should or should not be included .... We had the same discussion when constructing Template:Riverina with the consensus agreeing to include localities/communities as a part of the template providing that such a place met strict guidelines (including that the location/community was actually still physically locatable in some way) - see here for details of that discussion. However I realise that by not including the word communities in the template that might not seem so clear so I have adjusted that part this morning at Template:Sunraysia. Finally to your point about www.travelmate.com.au - the link actually goes directly to a search page (a map is not being suggested - only distances are) where any person can type place A and place B to see the distances between the two locations. The alternate - given that there are at least 4 locations being referenced is to make the info box totally unworkable). Cheers. --VS ^talk 21:21, 4 March 2007 (UTC)

Westfield Template

Hey mate I have created a template for Westfield's in Australia, see below. What do you think? Do you think we should add it to all of the pages? Todd661 08:50, 8 March 2007 (UTC)

Prizes

Unless there actually are some other prizes with the same name disambiguation is not necessary. --Peta 04:15, 9 March 2007 (UTC)

Cadastral divisions of Australia

Hi, your suggestions worked well. I have added a couple headings to the lead and demoted the states. Also started a separate article for South Australia. The others could probably stay in the article for now since they arent that long and have mostly redlinks --Astrokey44 08:25, 9 March 2007 (UTC)

Re: East Belmont Saints

No problem on the prod. I created it from an AFC|AfC submission, and was pretty borderline about whether it qualified or not (especially since the league doesn't even have a page yet), but I eventually decided that since there was an Aussie Baseball Project recently started, and working on building these kind of pages I'd give this one a chance. I won't contest the prod at all, but I copied your notice to the talk page of the original AfC contributor incase he wants to try to fight for it. Of course, since he's only ever made 2 posts (both working on this article on AfC) it's unlikely he'll do anything about it, but I still figure I'll give him a few days to work on it, rather than just speedy-author it myself. --Maelwys 12:02, 9 March 2007 (UTC)

West Torrens Cricket Club

Hi. Not sure if you were having a go at me about my deletion of the last edit to the article, or if you are saying the article itself may be a candidate for WP:PROD? If it's me then I probably deserve it for a fairly harsh treatment of a good-faith edit. If its the article, then there would be an enormous number of other Cricket Ckub articles that also need the same, as they have far less content and notability evidenced than WTCC. The article seemed active and slowly being developed so personally I was happy to see how it pans out (Under 14's results aside). I'll leave it to you to decide if you want to nominate it and let the discussion take place as per the normal procedures. Cheers. Pudgey 04:39, 12 March 2007 (UTC)

Clarification on lists

Largest churches in Australia is intended to be a list, are you saying it should say so in the description or in the page title itself? Thanks Natebailey 10:26, 12 March 2007 (UTC)

Muttaburra Airport

Hi thank you for your thoughts 1: i'm sorry but i have to ask why move it from Muttaburra Airport to Muttaburra airport what is the diff (it's just a capital letter).

2: Fixed text

3: they use it like the guy does that lives on the property next to mine....they hire private planes to fly them to major cities or towns, or they call me and i meet them to fly them in my plane or chopper, but i have added more info now.

4: added refs i like to add them all at once but i have done it now.

5: once i find out the conversion i will add the Mtrs, i will get to it

please feel free to add or edit as this will help me thanks again Thuringowacityrep 03:37, 15 March 2007 (UTC)

Hi again thanks for your reply about the Airport Vs airport I put it as capital because if you look at this link [6] it says that the Airport name is Muttaburra Airport plus almost all the searches I have done show Airport with the capital A, Thanks for the conversion... last time I tried to get one off Google I had trouble but it seems to work now ??? got me stuffed,

I had a pilots licence before I had a plane just like have a car licence but no car, I think some people get one just so they can say that they can fly a plane but I don't let anyone fly mine unless they have over 1000 hours in that type of plane and I never let anyone fly my chopper...they cost way to much. I will go and add that info now but please let me know you thoughts on the A vs. a in Airport. if I can find more links to the name of the Airport I will post them here for you to look at. thanks again Thuringowacityrep 05:37, 15 March 2007 (UTC)

That's cool, I thought I did it right but it is always good to get a second opinion, I used to use Google calculator all the time but then it just went away and people started a forum about it saying how ticked off they are but it looks like it is back (YES) will make my life easier as im no good with numbers. I'm doing a page now for the Aramac Airport so please feel free to look in on it when im done. thanks Thuringowacityrep 05:54, 15 March 2007 (UTC)

Moora Moora Coop

Hi GarrieIrons, thanks for all the tips on how to make by submissions more Wikipedia friendly. I will endeavour to follow your suggestions. Your help has been much appreciated Glenmo 07:01, 15 March 2007 (UTC)glenmo

Prod category

Thanks for your message. I agree with you I would expect to see that article in the category: interestingly, the category is listed at the bottom of the article! I do not know exactly how that category is populated: it appears to be some feature of the {{dated prod}} template. Perhaps you may find more info on one of the pages about proposed deletion procedure: try WP:PROD? Or you may find an expert who has contributed to its talk page. Best wishes, RobertG ♬ talk 09:23, 15 March 2007 (UTC)