Talk:Matty Healy

Did you know nomination

The following is an archived discussion of the DYK nomination of the article below. Please do not modify this page. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as this nomination's talk page, the article's talk page or Wikipedia talk:Did you know), unless there is consensus to re-open the discussion at this page. No further edits should be made to this page.

The result was: promoted by BorgQueen (talk) 16:29, 4 May 2023 (UTC)

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Healy at Lollapalooza Chile in 2017

• ... that Ian La Frenais based the Flushed Away rat Roddy St. James on Matty Healy? Source: https://uproxx.com/indie/the-1975-matty-healy-flushed-away-rat/
  • Reviewed:
  • Comment: QPQ forthcoming.

Moved to mainspace by Launchballer (talk). Self-nominated at 12:37, 24 April 2023 (UTC). Post-promotion hook changes for this nom will be logged at Template talk:Did you know nominations/Matty Healy; consider watching this nomination, if it is successful, until the hook appears on the Main Page.

General eligibility:

• New enough:
• Long enough:
• Other problems: - current AfD

Policy compliance:

• Adequate sourcing:
• Neutral: - see comment
• Free of copyright violations, plagiarism, and close paraphrasing:

Hook: Hook has been verified by provided inline citation
Cited: Interesting:

Image: Image is freely licensed, used in the article, and clear at 100px.
Freely licensed: Used in article: Clear at 100px:

QPQ: - Not done
Overall: @Launchballer: Article could be good for DYK, but needs a little work. I could do with "Roddy St. James" being enclosed in commas. Also, is there any way that you could include that this hook fact was according to Healy? Per D5, I will have to put this on hold as there is a current AfD. Concerns have been raised in the AfD about the article's neutrality: could you tell me if these concerns have been fixed? QPQ is also needed. Schminnte (talk • contribs) 17:49, 27 April 2023 (UTC)

• Most of the neutrality concerns were made by aggrieved Redditors unhappy that I've accurately reported what reliable sources have said; once you discount the WP:SPA votes, there is currently a 7-0 consensus to keep. As for the hook, I feel that attributing it to Healy neuters it somewhat, so instead I suggest the following:

ALT1: ... that Matty Healy is banned from Dubai?--Launchballer 07:04, 28 April 2023 (UTC)

@Launchballer: it's a compromise, but I'd be happy to approve that as a quirky hook once the AfD boils over. Just be sure to do the QPQ. Schminnte (talk • contribs) 07:18, 28 April 2023 (UTC)

Looking at that Reddit post sure is... interesting. I'm happy that none of the articles I've written have attracted the attention of a angry mob dedicated fanbase. Schminnte (talk • contribs) 07:24, 28 April 2023 (UTC)

Template:Did you know nominations/Sarah Gadallah Gubara.--Launchballer 09:33, 1 May 2023 (UTC)

Schminnte: Shall we continue?--Launchballer 16:03, 3 May 2023 (UTC)

@Launchballer: thanks for the ping. I'm satisfied now, good to go! Schminnte (talk • contribs) 16:21, 3 May 2023 (UTC)

Adam Friedland show

To be clear, he wasn’t joking about watching this kind of porn. He was retelling how he got caught watching it, he called out the site he watched (Ghetto Gaggers) and mentioned in his own words about how he was watching a girl get brutalized. The description under the Controversies section of this article is damn near a full white washing of the conversation that actually took place and whoever wrote this is trying to roll it into the other comments he made despite the fact that it’s becoming the bigger story. Also, this podcast was so bad that both Apple & Spotify removed it. 205.155.154.1 (talk) 21:57, 17 May 2023 (UTC)

thank you for naming this. I have tried to accurately add this information in and feel like it continues to get watered down and even attempted to be fully removed Elttaruuu (talk) 22:49, 17 May 2023 (UTC)

I also think that the controversy paragraph shouldn’t be an apology sandwich. We can include all his apologies and statements but it feels like putting his apologies at the beginning and at the end of the section is erasing some of his actions, how many people had a reaction to said actions, and that he has not apologized for all of his actions. Elttaruuu (talk) 00:58, 18 May 2023 (UTC)

This is an encyclopedia where neutral point of view is one of the key tenets. There should also never be undue weight given to a subject. A secondary source also reported on the fact that the host re-emphasized that it was a joke, hence, it was reflected as such. Maxen Embry (talk) Maxen Embry (talk) 01:20, 18 May 2023 (UTC)

Yes it’s an encyclopedic source where neutral points of view are provided which also means commentary from the subject themself on how they’re reacted to/apologies should not hold undue weight. And words like “joking” when several articles State there was a retelling of someone walking in and seeing him jack off to violent porn, are not neutral, if they can subtly convey the subject didn’t mean what they did. If he laughed at what he did or laughed off what he did it doesn’t mean he didn’t do it in the first place and that should be noted. One or two sentences about what he and the host stated happened is not undue weight. Elttaruuu (talk) 01:31, 18 May 2023 (UTC)

I just looked back. I added one sentence- ONE. That clearly states what was said and what happened. And then the paragraph moves on. That’s not undue weight. Elttaruuu (talk) 01:35, 18 May 2023 (UTC)

He was watching GG, someone witnessed him watch it (and masturbate to it which I left out), the host brought it up, and Healy confirmed it. Elttaruuu (talk) 01:36, 18 May 2023 (UTC)

https://news.yahoo.com/amphtml/taylor-swift-faces-backlash-boyfriend-140745664.html

https://www.insider.com/matty-healy-podcast-brutalized-women-taylor-swift-fans-2023-5?amp

https://madamenoire.com/1343902/black-twitter-drags-taylor-swift-for-dating-matty-healy-after-he-admitted-to-masturbating-to-ghetto-gaggers-which-humiliates-black-women/amp/

https://www.unilad.com/celebrity/matt-healy-admits-x-rated-film-podcast-279496-20230512

https://amp.marca.com/en/lifestyle/music/2023/05/17/64653cd7e2704e3f5f8b457b.html Elttaruuu (talk) 01:48, 18 May 2023 (UTC)

And their are tens more articles from more reliable and established sources regarding his comments about Styles and the accents, but there was no undue weight given since we need a concise and encyclopedic account of the matter. We do not need a retelling. Maxen Embry (talk) 02:25, 18 May 2023 (UTC)

The Adam Friedland show is not a valid secondary source, it is half the subject being commented on. Elttaruuu (talk) 02:36, 18 May 2023 (UTC)

Please read the edit first before reverting because there has been a valid second source and primary source that tackled it. 119.94.168.40 (talk) 05:16, 18 May 2023 (UTC)

This is Wikipedia. There’s no such thing as a valid primary source. I’ve had plenty of my articles tagged or shut down for trying to make a case for a valid primary source, this website is not built on those Elttaruuu (talk) 12:59, 18 May 2023 (UTC)

A retelling would state he was masturbating. It would state that a young woman walked in on him. It would detail the aftermath of that conversation. It would directly quote everyone involved. This one sentence is not a retelling. And it is not neutral and encyclopedic for you to continuously add it into a run on sentence of his behaviors. Elttaruuu (talk) 02:38, 18 May 2023 (UTC)

i have seen your edits and since there are conflicting reports watched is used by the other editors and that's it. i don't know why you're having a fit all of a sudden especially since the whole thing has been clarified as a joke. these discourse evolves, thus it should be reflected as such. 119.94.168.40 (talk) 05:37, 18 May 2023 (UTC)

Once again, clearly you’re clearly a paid source. Coming on here to say “take a joke!” “they cleared it up on the same podcast that it occurred on”, as though that is somehow encyclopedic and neutral and secondary? I also don’t doubt you could be the same person as Maxen Embry Elttaruuu (talk) 12:57, 18 May 2023 (UTC)

https://youtube.com/kq_v9UKdmh0

this was already clarified and reflected in a secondary source 119.94.168.40 (talk) 01:46, 18 May 2023 (UTC)

Thank you. As succintly reflected on the source provided. Maxen Embry (talk) 02:26, 18 May 2023 (UTC)

That source shows up as a broken link for me Elttaruuu (talk) 02:27, 18 May 2023 (UTC)

Used the video ID and it's this https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kq_v9UKdmh0 Maxen Embry (talk) 02:33, 18 May 2023 (UTC)

Wiki follows the neutral point of view tenet. There should also be no undue weight given to a topic regardless of its topicality. The Buzzfeed article which all other articles referenced is considered marginally unreliable by Wiki. The page should accurately reflect the current situation, and the citation of the Vox article (reliable per Wiki) did just that as a secondary source. Also included the latest podcast clarifying the issue as primary source for good measure. Maxen Embry (talk) 06:08, 18 May 2023 (UTC)

Lifestyle Magazine, Insider Business, Forbes, Madam Noire, Yahoo News are all valid sources. It makes no sense why one Vox article and a primary source (which are discouraged) would be more reliable. You are clearly trying to push an agenda and it is seeming clearer to me that you are likely being compensated or benefiting from having a certain viewpoint reflected here. Once again, neutrality would be to reflect the situation accurately rather than to use a primary source as some kind of justification or watering down of the events. Elttaruuu (talk) 12:20, 18 May 2023 (UTC)

Additionally, why would an article written as “Taylor Swift is in her Matty Healy era” be more accurate than articles directly speaking about the podcast and about Matt Healy????? Your corrections are original research and they’re reaching Elttaruuu (talk) 12:22, 18 May 2023 (UTC)

It’s also incredibly sus to me that you chose to begin a paragraph about Matt Healy’s controversies with reviews praising them? Again I am not saying controversies are good or bad but they are controversial, they are debated. Weird to try to sway a reader a certain way before they even read what they are Elttaruuu (talk) 12:26, 18 May 2023 (UTC)

If y’all are so desperate for healthy balanced conversation why do you keep archiving valid conversations people put on the talk page ? Elttaruuu (talk) 12:58, 18 May 2023 (UTC)

Maxen Embry

Editor Maxen Embry is repeatedly adding opinionated language in here, erasing well sourced material, archiving recent unresolved talk page conversations, and removing twinkle tags without any discussion. I am concerned this is a paid editor. Elttaruuu (talk) 13:09, 18 May 2023 (UTC)

Elttaruuu Conflict of interest/UPE issues are discussed at WP:COIN. 331dot (talk) 13:15, 18 May 2023 (UTC)

They are not a paid editor. Ive been editing this article for a while and this person has been very helpful with their edits and actually is keeping it neutral. Unlike others before them. Aldazuri (talk) 13:18, 18 May 2023 (UTC)

Hey Popeye191 please come join this talk as i know you have been editing as well. Aldazuri (talk) 13:27, 18 May 2023 (UTC)

Adam Friedland Podcast

Again, Matty was not joking about watching porn that brutalizes black women. He was retelling a story in which he got caught watching it. It was not a joke, I repeat, NOT A JOKE. 205.155.154.1 (talk) 18:53, 18 May 2023 (UTC)

An entire recounting of the conversation can be found at this link, among many many others:

https://madamenoire.com/1343902/black-twitter-drags-taylor-swift-for-dating-matty-healy-after-he-admitted-to-masturbating-to-ghetto-gaggers-which-humiliates-black-women/

Again, retelling a story and telling a joke are two wholly different things. 205.155.154.1 (talk) 19:07, 18 May 2023 (UTC)